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Jim Irsay Tweets That Colts Have Signed Longtime Veteran Quarterback Kerry Collins [UPDATE]

Here's tweet just posted by Jim Irsay, and unlike the stupid Brett Favre stunt, this does not read like a joke:

We have agreed to terms with Kerry Collins...more details to come

[UPDATE]: Phil Wilson reports Jim Caldwell confirmed Collins signing. --bbs

Collins is 38-years-old, and was the first draft pick Bill Polian made for the Carolina Panthers in their inaugural season of 1995. Polian was general manager in Carolina from 1995-1998.

Collins played for the Panthers and took them to the NFC Championship Game in 1996, but alcohol addiction and inconsistent play clouded his image in Carolina. He was eventually traded to the NY Giants. He sobered up, turned his life around, and guided the Giants to the Super Bowl in 2001. After the Giants crumbled in 2003, he left and signed with the Oakland Raiders before moving on to the Tennessee Titans. While in Tennessee, he was the calm, steady presence at quarterback which Vince Young was not. When Vince quit on the team early in 2008, Collins stepped in and captained them to a 13-3 record.

The positive here is that, with Collins, the Colts have a legit backup quarterback who can start in a pinch and help the team win games.

The negative is that with this signing, the odds of Peyton Manning starting Week One just dropped significantly. The signing also comes three weeks too late.

[UPDATE NO. 2]: A tweet from Adam Schefter:

@mortreport reporting Colts' braintrust does not believe Peyton Manning will be ready for regular-season opener in Houston. Manning hopeful.

Star-divide

For me personally, I've always had tremendous respect for Collins as a person and as a player. Pretty much for the last ten years, he's stepped onto bad teams and helped make them better. This past summer, he retired following the lockout. Jim Wyatt of the Tennessean gives us some insight why:

Collins said back in summer he had retired, saying he wanted to go out on his own terms. But I suspected then it had more to do with #Titans

Collins' longtime cheerleader, head coach Jeff Fisher, was jettisoned after the 2010 season. Without him, and with the front office drafting Jake Locker, the writing was on the wall for Collins. In Indy, he has the man who drafted him in 1995 (Polian) and the man who coached him in college as his position coach: Jim Caldwell.

The writing is also on the wall this year regarding Peyton Manning's health and the way management has dealt with it. To quote Nate Dunlevy from 18to88, in a tweet that just about made my jaw drop:

If the Colts were going to bring in Collins, they should have done so three weeks ago. Waiting to do it now is incompetent to say the least.

In my opinion, no one makes more excuses for Colts front office idiocy than Nate Dunlevy. To this day, the man refuses to call Tony Ugoh a 'bust.' For him to call Colts management 'incompetent' for waiting to make this move is the equivalent of the Kennedy family calling out the Pope.

And in this case, I agree with Nate 100%.

Sure, I like this signing, but it should have been done in late-July, or early August. It should have been done during camp. It's clear now, after months of backtracking and bulllsh*tting, that the Polians pretty grossly mismanaged Peyton's injury. That's my opinion. And Nate's.

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Too little, too late

So now Kerry Collins has almost no time to learn our complicated offense—-and this is a guy who’s mediocre even when he DOES have time to learn an offense. Can he maybe win us a game or two more than Orlovsky or Painter? Sure. Does this news still bode very poorly for our season? yes, it does. That’s not pessimistic—-just realistic. Without Peyton—-and a fully healthy Peyton at that—-we’re a below average football team.

by daydreambeliever on Aug 24, 2011 11:06 AM EDT reply actions  

I think I speak for everyone when I say, oh shit.

by KingRichard on Aug 24, 2011 11:06 AM EDT reply actions   4 recs

I am not thining Oh shit...

Of course BBS is correct…the timing is pathetic…but Collins can lead a team to wins. Like BBS I too have always liked Colling. He is better than Painter…and if Manning can’t go…he gives a much better chance to win.

BTW KR…you still down in the Swamp??

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by TRDean on Aug 24, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

I thought you at UFL??

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by TRDean on Aug 24, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm totally fine with this, minus the way-too-late signing date...

I mean… oh god. Curtis Painter???

Now, "wait 'till next year" looks like "Watch out for next year!" GO LEAFS GO!

by AB_Positive on Aug 24, 2011 11:09 AM EDT reply actions  

Fuckin' eh Cotton, Fuckin' eh.

I remained optimistic all offseason that Manning would be under center Week1…Even amid the storm of negative reports this past week.

But this may be the final straw. I highly, highly doubt that Peyton can start against the Texans. I find it hard to believe that the Polians wouldn’t have spoke with Manning about the possibility of signing a veteran QB…which means that Peyton probably thought it was a good idea to bring in Collins. I also don’t believe that Collins would un-retire just to hold a clipboard for #18. This is bad news, IMO

On the positive side of things, I like Collins, and he’s about 2,348x better than our current options…I really, really doubt he can step in and beat the Texans, but at least he’ll give us a chance against Cleveland in week 2. Haven’t taken a close look at our 2nd half schedule, but I hope Peyton can get healthy soon, cuz we may need to run the table again.

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by kmbryant09 on Aug 24, 2011 11:10 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Why are the two directly correlated?

Management has seen how bad our backups have played in the first 2 preseason games. With Peyton coming off injury this year, they probably thought that we need a competent backup QB to step in if Peyton does happen to get hurt.

Again, I think this move has much more to do with how badly Orlovsky and Painter have been rather than Peyton’s status for Week 1. It should have been done a few weeks ago, but I think they wanted to see what they had in Orlovsky (which was probably stupid) and if Painter had made any progression (which was also stupid) before they went out and signed a vet backup.

by BoilerHerrm on Aug 24, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

That's one way to look at it....

But the Colts’ front office has always been content with our backup QB situation so long as Peyton Manning was going to play, why the change now? It’s not like we’re signing a developmental QB to replace Painter, we are signing someone who can play NOW. Not next year, not the year after, not when Peyton retires. NOW.

And also, why would Kerry Collins come out of retirement if he didn’t think he’d play?!? It makes no sense for either party to strike a deal unless both sides expecting playing time. It kills me to say this, but I think we have to accept the fact that Kerry Collins is the Colts’ week 1 starter…Now excuse me while I drive to the liquor store…

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by kmbryant09 on Aug 24, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think Collins retiring had a lot to do with the Titans organization

He knew he wasn’t going to the be the starter there and they are in rebuilding mode as this juncture. He has relationships with Polian and Caldwell. Why not come on as an insurance policy for a 35-yeard old QB who’s coming off next surgery? Not to mention, a team with a chance to win. That’s where I believe the change of thinking came from (probably also coupled by the fact that the backup QB play this season has been even more putrid than in the past).

I’m sure Collins was not guaranteed anything in terms of playing time. He knows he’s here to play, if and only if, Peyton isn’t able to go. Again, tomato, tomahto but I still don’t see this as an indication that Manning won’t be ready for the Texans. We’ll find out in a couple weeks.

by BoilerHerrm on Aug 24, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

The Polians could not have known it would take this long for him to rehab

Is it short sided on their part to at least not plan on it taking this long? sure, but nothing can be done about it now. At least they went out and got a veteran instead of starting the season with Painter as the sure starter.

That being said, this is pretty much the white flag of surrender to the idea that Peyton is starting game one. Even with Colllins though, I don’t think the colts will be competitive until 18 returns.

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by danorocks17 on Aug 24, 2011 11:10 AM EDT reply actions  

Titans fan here.....

and I agree with this. How should the Colts have known the injury would take this long? Not only that, but wasn’t the surgery during the lockout? The Colts couldn’t have done anything about it! AND when has Colts management ever planned for injuries? You can’t with their salary structure. There’s no money left to pay anyone. This is how it’s always been with the Colts. The only difference is this time, the injury is with the one player they can’t afford to lose.

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by Evanbio on Aug 24, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Well, at least we know he can shred the Colts defense. So he’ll probably be pretty good in practice!

Ugh.

by willyduer on Aug 24, 2011 11:10 AM EDT reply actions  

This is the signing that should have been made weeks ago

Not today.

The only pro to this of course, is that this is probably the only guy out there that I actually thought would be a decent signing as an insurance policy for Manning.

I still think Manning will be under center at season start. I think this is a signing that indicates the Colts have no faith in Orlovsky, as Painter is probably sticking around to try an develop for another year.

by LeftNutForAStarCenter on Aug 24, 2011 11:11 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

switch Orlovsky and Painter

then I think you are on to something

I hope you are right about Manning staring game one, but I just don’t think it will happen

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by danorocks17 on Aug 24, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Why?

Painter I think has shown to be completely ineffective, borderline useless. I’m hoping Collins becomes a permanent reason to cut him and hopefully draft a better QB next year

Now, "wait 'till next year" looks like "Watch out for next year!" GO LEAFS GO!

by AB_Positive on Aug 24, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Because neither are going to play

And if neither Painter nor Orlovsky are actually going to see the field, then you want the one who offers more off the field – Painter.

by LeftNutForAStarCenter on Aug 24, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Collins is 38...

if Peyton can’t go week one, your 3rd stringer may get a shot. I hope to God it’s Orlovsky because I’ve seen what Curtis Painter can do and it isn’t pretty.

If you can’t tell, I really, really, really dislike Painter as a player. I’m sure he’s a good guy but get him off the roster, please!

Now, "wait 'till next year" looks like "Watch out for next year!" GO LEAFS GO!

by AB_Positive on Aug 24, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

the 3rd stringer will NOT get a shot

that would be absolutely stupid. Why bring in Collins at all if he isn’t your backup plan for peyton being out week 1? That’s would be plain ridiculous.

Whoever the Colts keep (and it will be Painter), will not play in week one now that collins is signed. That’s the whole point of the signing.

by LeftNutForAStarCenter on Aug 24, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry, didn't explain well enough...

Collins is 38… 38 year olds tend to get hurt at QB. Therefore there is actually a decent shot the 3rd stringer plays.

I HOPE that he doesn’t, but I’d go Orlovsky over Painter 7 days a week.

Now, "wait 'till next year" looks like "Watch out for next year!" GO LEAFS GO!

by AB_Positive on Aug 24, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

And I wouldn't.

It doesn’t matter to me if the colts lose 30-6 with orlovsky or 30-3 with painter.

But if the Colts front office feels painter is valuable in reviewing tape and reviewing plays with Manning on the sideline when the defense is on the field, then I’d rather have that than Orlovsky. I don’t care if Painter chokes in games, if the reports are that he’s very smart and good in the film room with Manning, then that’s who I’d rather have helping out Collins when he’s on the sidelines.

Someone who has 2+ years in the system vs. someone who has 2 months in the system. On the sideline, you take the one with more years. If either one sees the field the Colts lose, therefore for 3rd stringing, you don’t pick the one with less field experience and a ceiling that’s just as low developmentally.

by LeftNutForAStarCenter on Aug 24, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

We aren't talking about who we'd rather see play.

It’s foolish to want either of these guys to play. To me, the 3rd stringer is NOT about who you’d rather see play, because BOTH are equally disastrous. The 3rd stringer is who is more useful on the sidelines.

by LeftNutForAStarCenter on Aug 24, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Painter offers more OFF the field?

What do you mean by that?
Orlovsky is at least competent and can move the offense a little…Painter is Mr 3 and out

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by dezznutz1001 on Aug 24, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

neither are good on the field

if you trust orlovsky even slightly more than not at all you’re insane.
I trust orlovsky and painter exactly equal on the field – I’m 100% confident that either of them starting a game guarantees a loss. It doesn’t matter a lick if it’s a 30-3 loss with painter or a 30-6 loss with orlovsky.

Off the field (as in on the sidelines), Painter is much more familiar with the playbook, reportedly very intelligent, and has simply been in the system longer. Ergo, if we’re talking strictly who is going to hold the clipboard, the Colts will pick Painter over Orlovsky.

by LeftNutForAStarCenter on Aug 24, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Who has more upside tho?

Orlovsky.

Hes actually started a NFL game and played it all the way thru. Hes proved that once he gets his reps and learns the offense more hes at least servicable. Unlike Painter.

I would say you were correct in that Painter knows the system better, just physically hes not as gifted as Orlovsky.

Guess it kind of a moot point now as either are going to become our 3rd stringer as Collins will obviously be the back-up

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by dezznutz1001 on Aug 24, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Orlovsky has more upside?

How do you figure? Dan Orlovsky is in his 7th year. He is what he is. There is no upside whatsoever to Dan Orlovksy.

by LeftNutForAStarCenter on Aug 24, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe I'm being naive

But I still think Peyton plays Week 1. I see this move as nothing more than a damnation for our current backups. Should it have been done a few weeks ago? Probably. I don’t see this as any indication that Peyton won’t be ready to play against Houston.

by BoilerHerrm on Aug 24, 2011 11:11 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Agreed...

I think this is simply strengthening the team…

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by TRDean on Aug 24, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Not Good

Kerry Collins was retired. What kind of shape is he in? So, he’s going to learn the playbook in a matter of 2 weeks?
Once again the Colts Front Office bungles an injury situation. What the hell is going on over there?

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by coldy4goldy on Aug 24, 2011 11:12 AM EDT reply actions  

and hes not going to play!

Peyton will be back, but its nice knowing there will be a COMPETENT backup this year!! First time in a long time

by bigpony on Aug 24, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

By good

I mean, better than Painter. But not a good sign for week 1.

18>12

by metallicolts on Aug 24, 2011 11:12 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Zing~!

Rec’d

Now, "wait 'till next year" looks like "Watch out for next year!" GO LEAFS GO!

by AB_Positive on Aug 24, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Congratulations on leading the AFC South.

Kerry just spotted you guys a one game lead.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Aug 24, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

I find it hilarious that Titans fans are taking jabs at the Colts

For signing at 38-year old backup when they’ve entrusted their starting job to a 35-year old QB who hasn’t posted a QB rating of over 75 since 2007.

by BoilerHerrm on Aug 24, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

it’s because the Titans are in rebuilding mode. the Colts are in “we need to win again soon” mode.

personally, I think it was the best option for the Colts. this is just what happens with their salary structure.

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by Evanbio on Aug 24, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

You guys are gonna beat the Colts by 90 on opening day.

Good lord, that run defense AND no Manning? Take the over. Definitely.

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by DannoE on Aug 24, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

just like last year

…and where did that week 1 win get you guys?? NOWHERE, as usual!

Same old Texans

by bigpony on Aug 24, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

As a Titans fan...

..this news makes me ECSTATIC. You cannot believe how happy I am. I only hope now that you guys will trade for VY.

crosses fingers

Ah karma… how we in Tennessee have missed thee.

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by DannoE on Aug 24, 2011 11:25 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Karma

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by danorocks17 on Aug 24, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Titans fan...

This doesn’t affect you AT ALL. Manning will be ready to kick your ass by the time the Colts play you and there’s nothing you can do about it but just lie there and take it.

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by AceOfSpades on Aug 24, 2011 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yes!

This is insurance. Now decisions can be made without rushing Manning if it turns out that he needs a little more time.

This is also insurance for the rest of the season, because all it takes is a toe in the turf to wrench a knee, etc. Just to piss the majority of you off, I say we will cut Orly and keep Painter or the KY guy to develop.

I doubt Collins was ready to sign much before this, otherwise he would have signed with another team, so can all of those complaints please. This is the great signing. Collins played twice against the Texans, and hey, guess what – he also knows the Titans playbook and nuances.

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by indylator on Aug 24, 2011 11:28 AM EDT reply actions  

In the Texans game last year

Collins went 14/24, for 237 yards, 2 TD, 1 INT and a rating of 102.3…I will take that! Only thing is, Titans O-line > Colts O-line, and Titans Run Game > Colts Run Game…but as a QB, he will have more weapons if it comes down to him playing…but probably less time!

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by Z.Pain on Aug 24, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I think Collins is excited

to be throwing to our stable of Colts

"If they want me to be a crazy, emotional, frenzied fan in section 603, then they can't expect me to be reasonable about the business of football"

by indylator on Aug 24, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Collins played twice against the Texans, and hey, guess what – he also knows the Titans playbook and nuances.

This is your logic? You realize that the titans have an entirely new coaching staff that Collins never even met with, right? And that the Texans have a completely new Defense this year, right? Last year means NOTHING.

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by Evanbio on Aug 24, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

oh you are right

I am a loathsome human being and will crawl back under my rock – cheers dude

"If they want me to be a crazy, emotional, frenzied fan in section 603, then they can't expect me to be reasonable about the business of football"

by indylator on Aug 24, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn’t say loathsome, just ill-informed. :)

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by Evanbio on Aug 24, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

=

Titans are going to suck even worse this year and the Texans will be confused in their new defense.

Collins will be just fine.

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by AceOfSpades on Aug 24, 2011 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

So, how do yall feel

about the Kerry Collins led Colts @ Houston in Week One? Any predictions? I’m sure Foster won’t repeat a 231yd performance, though I’m sure him and Ben Tate should have a good day. Interesting matchup would be Colts Running O vs Texans Run D, which has looked soft so far

by TexansPride on Aug 24, 2011 11:29 AM EDT reply actions  

if you've watched our first team D this pre-season

Foster might double that total in the first half

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by danorocks17 on Aug 24, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I’m more interested in the Texans passing D versus the Colts…even with Collins at QB. And how the new 3-4 will play out.

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by Evanbio on Aug 24, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

With our pass rush this year,

and Joseph, D Manning, and Quin moving to safety, its pretty much a whole new defense. We’ve had 11 sacks, 4FF with 3 Recovered, and an 2 INTs against the JETS and SAINTS. From what we’ve seen this preseason so far, Run D will be a bigger problem.

by TexansPride on Aug 24, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Playing against a top QB like Manning, Brees, Brady etc.

I would be very nervous of Mario Williams playing w/o his hand on the ground covering receivers.

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by PV Mike on Aug 24, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's not going to be doing that more than 2, 3 times a game.

No change from him occasionally dropping into a zone from DE while someone else blitzed.

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by ISN on Aug 24, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's playing in the same position and will be used the same as Ware

And he only dropped into coverage 5% of the plays he was on the field.
Wade said himself Mario will rarely drop into coverage, but maybe 10-20 times a year

by TexansPride on Aug 24, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Decisions, Decisions

We really do not know or fully understand Manning’s condition. As we all know, the Colts say very little about anything. A backup QB is all about risk.

I really believe Manning will start and play week 1. The Colts have signed Collins because the chance of Manning not playing this season is higher than in previous years.

Overall, this is a great pickup for the Colts. Comparing notes with Collins will be a nice change for Manning.

by davis3217 on Aug 24, 2011 11:31 AM EDT reply actions  

I cannot believe trollers are happy PM may not play

As a football fan I want to see the best compete. I don’t want to watch the Titans w/o Chris Johnson or the Patriots w/o Brady. That is why we watch the NFL.

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by PV Mike on Aug 24, 2011 11:31 AM EDT reply actions   2 recs

haters gonna hate, especially if they lose (a lot)

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by danorocks17 on Aug 24, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

If you are a fan of a perenial top 12 pick team

And actually have a chance at doing some good this season, you’d understand. You colts fans are… spoiled to have a player such as Peighton singlehandedly winning you games. You’ll understand once he retires.

by TexansPride on Aug 24, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

So as a Colts fan we should hope Mario Williams goes down in preseason with a knee injury

or Schaub has a concussion so they do not play the first game or for the season?

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by PV Mike on Aug 24, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

I lived through the Jeff George *spits* years

I understand and appreciate currently, thank you :D

Damn that mustache. Damn it to hell. X-D

Now, "wait 'till next year" looks like "Watch out for next year!" GO LEAFS GO!

by AB_Positive on Aug 24, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

so you can understand how much it takes to become a fan of a team that has only 1 winning season under its belt in 10 years of existance..

by TexansPride on Aug 24, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

its the only chance they have

we’ve owned this division for a long ass time, so now the trolls come out and run their mouths when they smell blood in the water. Too bad their teams are GARBAGE and they have no chance if they compete against a healthy Colts team…but we’ll let them be happy for now!

by bigpony on Aug 24, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Exactly

These are like the players who celebrate a tackle after the running back gains 12 yards

"If they want me to be a crazy, emotional, frenzied fan in section 603, then they can't expect me to be reasonable about the business of football"

by indylator on Aug 24, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

When your team is always

on the short end of the stick, you can’t blame them. That’s how they take out their frustrations……..trolling.

by Ayrshire on Aug 24, 2011 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Collins last year

Played 10 games and started 7. Threw for 1,823 yards and a season QB rating of 82.2. I am comfortable with this, IF Manning can’t start, and this signing DOES NOT mean that manning is ABSOLUTELY not start.

"If they want me to be a crazy, emotional, frenzied fan in section 603, then they can't expect me to be reasonable about the business of football"

by indylator on Aug 24, 2011 11:38 AM EDT reply actions  

Not only first game

IMO if Colts are spending money on Collins, they must feel Manning wont be ready for 2nd game vs the Browns. You have to figure Colts chances vs Houston at their park with less than 100% Manning would be slim. They would think Browns game pivotal so they wont be 0 2. They also must feel they wont beat Browns with Painter or Orlovsky.
Also game 3 is vs the Steelers, very easy to see Colts at 0
3
I was at the Colts/Lions game a few years ago, when Orlovsky was the qb of Lions. He was quite impressive, had a winless Lions team tied with Colts in 4th quarter. I dont think he got a fair shake with Colts, playing with 2nd team at all times.
Of all the possibilites of QB’s, I think Collins is worst possible choice. While he has load of experience and decent arm, he is immobile and has slowest release in NFL. He was effective at Tenn, cause they had Johnson and an excellent OL. If Colts had a good ground game, then I would believe Collins to be a good backup as he can manage a game well, but anyone who thinks he can be a winning qb on Colts is delusional. Bolger would have been a better choice.

by oldnjcoltsfan on Aug 24, 2011 11:39 AM EDT reply actions  

Good analysis on Collins

The OL in TN last year was great at pass blocking, and a lot of KCs numbers are due to CJ causing defenses to account for him at all times. The Colts don’t have the same run game and their OL is still in flux. It’ll be interesting.

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by Evanbio on Aug 24, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

yes, but they have a receivers

don’t forget the TE’s

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by indylator on Aug 24, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

Orlovsky CAN lead an offense. they jsut need to get him more 1st team reps. Hes twice the QB painter is.

Collins is a good Qb, but hes immobile. Orlovsky is our only back-up QB who is somewhat mobile in the pocket

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by dezznutz1001 on Aug 24, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dan-O is horrible

He made no progress under the “QB Whisperer” Gary Kubiak. That’s saying something if Sexy Rexy Grossman and Matty Leinart both came in and made strides under him.

by TexansPride on Aug 24, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Even if PM does come back the first game

I feel much better with Collins as a security blanket than anything we have now. Even if he doesn’t play a down.

"Take that baby out and paint some flames on it!" Peyton Manning

by PV Mike on Aug 24, 2011 11:40 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Perhaps Peyton is a Go but Collins is Insurance

I will be optimistic and say that Peyton is a GO for week 1 but Collins is insurance incase Peyton doesn’t feel right out there. Collins is a step up from Painter and let’s not forget he’s taken the Panthers to the NFC Championship game and the Giants to a SB. His addition makes me feel optimistic that we actually have a fighting chance to win incase Peyton can’t play.

by untouchable84 on Aug 24, 2011 11:41 AM EDT reply actions  

peyton will play...no doubt about it

this signing is the result of painter and orv. being very bad qb’s, and has nothing to do w/ the status of peyton’s injury.

W. Morton

by wmorton2 on Aug 24, 2011 11:46 AM EDT reply actions  

About time

Honestly, anyone who thought Painter was a backup QB was an incompetent. Not going to rip on the timing of this, but just the fact our coaches and front office though Painter was a good fall-back option instills me with no confidence in the way this team is being run. The guy couldn’t even play at Purdue

by Rogco on Aug 24, 2011 11:49 AM EDT reply actions  

Obviously without Manning the team would stink long term.

But it is nice to have a QB that is capable of doing SOMETHING.

by Joseph* on Aug 24, 2011 11:50 AM EDT reply actions  

agreed.

How can they know now that peyton will be physically unable to play in 2 weeks? We all know the competitor that he is, and it would take a whole slew of doctors to recommend he not play to keep him off the feild. This is simply an upgrade at back up….for now.

At first I was really pessimistic bc i didn’t think Collins would come here unless he was going to play. However, you have to think about how many good teams he has been on and not won a Super Bowl. The guy simply wants a ring.

Im extatic that we have him as a backup now. The guy wins games.

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by BleedingBlueForever on Aug 24, 2011 11:50 AM EDT reply actions  

PUP list

Watch the PUP list closely. If Manning is on PUP list after the 53 man roster is named, I think he needs to miss the first 6 games. If he is taken off the PUP list, that would mean that he has a chance to play after a game or two.

Maybe it is deja vu, Manning comes back from injury to play his first game vs Steelers like Big Ben did in 2005. Steelers give the Colts a walloping but come playoff time, Manning beats the Steelers as a wild card, the opposite of what happened in 2005. I can speculate and dream, can’t I :-)?

The only concern is with the Ravens and Jets hogging wild card berths the last 2 years, will there be a wild card from the AFC South or AFC West, there has not been one in 2 years, ever since Rex Ryan took over the Jets.

by chad72 on Aug 24, 2011 11:50 AM EDT reply actions  

Good, now lets make some other moves!

Now that we have a servicable back-up, lets fix the rest of the roster problems. Cut Painter, Hartline, A. Gonzalez(he’s made of glass) and give their money (and the rest of the money left under the cap) to the best vet wide receiver and DT available.

by dylanlb6 on Aug 24, 2011 11:52 AM EDT reply actions  

Don't mess with Lombardi

That Lombardi guy on NFL Network, he called the Sanders being asked to re-negotiate or will be cut, before it happened.

He also said Manning will very likely miss the opener. Next time he says something, I will take him seriously, that is for sure.

by chad72 on Aug 24, 2011 11:52 AM EDT reply actions  

Positives

I trust a Kerry Collins that doesn’t know the whole offense better than a Curtis Painter that knows the system. If push comes to shove, and none of this works out, the Colts could end up with the first pick in next years draft and come away with Andrew Luck. Next season we would have Peyton back and we would have his successor once he decides to move on.

by Josh Greentree on Aug 24, 2011 11:53 AM EDT reply actions  

This...

wouldn’t necessarily bother me. The Colts have long ignored grooming PM’s successor unlike the hated Pats did with Cassel first and now Mallet/Hoyer. Peyton starting next year with Luck behind him? Holy crap.

Not that I want a losing season but… that would be glorious.

Now, "wait 'till next year" looks like "Watch out for next year!" GO LEAFS GO!

by AB_Positive on Aug 24, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

This would not mean just a losing season

This would mean a horrible season evenorse than teams like the Bengals. There is no doubt Luck will be number #1 player in the draft.

"Take that baby out and paint some flames on it!" Peyton Manning

by PV Mike on Aug 24, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

even worse

"Take that baby out and paint some flames on it!" Peyton Manning

by PV Mike on Aug 24, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I say that depending on how Manning feels,

He’ll play for a series or maybe just the first snap to keep the streak alive, and then take a seat to Collins. There is still plenty of time for Peyton to get healthy, so we’ll see. He could magically be better next week for all the Colts know. Collins is both insurance and a great backup to have in case the worst possible scenario happens.

by 18to87 on Aug 24, 2011 11:54 AM EDT reply actions  

Can you imagine the backlash he'd get for pulling a stunt like that?

The absolute awesomeness of that might even top today’s news.

WTF: Appropriate initials given my thought processes.

by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Aug 24, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

He would ONLY do this

at season’s end if the Colts are resting their starters.

"Take that baby out and paint some flames on it!" Peyton Manning

by PV Mike on Aug 24, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

HEY! I said that last week!

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by ISN on Aug 24, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

GOOD BYE PAINTER!!!!

I feel much better about our back up position if Peyton isn’t ready to go for week #1. Say what you want but Kerry Collins could come out Friday not knowing anything about this offense and play significantly better than Painter. Once he gets familiar with the offense he will be a good back up to have on hand for this season.

Obviously Peyton is hurt worse than we thought or there is major concern that this injury could pose issues throughout the season.

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by Brad Wells on Aug 24, 2011 12:01 PM EDT reply actions  

a toaster in the bath??/ how dare you!

bleach and a few ice cubes, so much more dignified

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by danorocks17 on Aug 24, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Correction.

Kerry Collins has shown he can play at an NFL level, if we’re going back in time and this is 2000-2001.

WTF: Appropriate initials given my thought processes.

by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Aug 24, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

More than Curtis Painter.

Even now.

"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West

by ISN on Aug 24, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

A neck is completely different

than a knee or ankle. It’s either healed or it’s not. My understanding is that his nerves have not regenerated. You can’t go out and play with a neck at 75% like you can with a knee. If he’s not ready, Peyton would be risking his long term health to play.

by prudence on Aug 24, 2011 12:27 PM EDT reply actions  

I cut all the nerves around and on top of my kneecap when I was 5

and still don’t have complete feeling 25 years later.

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-Charlie

by Addai Another Aday on Aug 24, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes, but

I hit to your knee wouldn’t be likely to lead to paralysis

by prudence on Aug 24, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

optimism...

If collins starts in the first few games, there is no doubt in my mind that the colts will trim the playbook down considerably. If they’re commiting more snaps to the run game this may be a good chance to solidify the o-line and get the rookies more confidence “under the lights”. Obviously, collins is no peyton manning but his track record speaks for itself and his veteran savvy might be enough to keep us at .500 until 18 is on the field.

by JDH85 on Aug 24, 2011 12:33 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

BUUUUTTTTTT

We still have a garbage Defense and Caldwell calling timeouts at every chance.

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by AceOfSpades on Aug 24, 2011 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Go all the way and cut both Painter and Orlovsky

now drive the little bus to Carmel and get Jeff George also.

"Take that baby out and paint some flames on it!" Peyton Manning

by PV Mike on Aug 24, 2011 12:49 PM EDT reply actions  

So what happens when:

Manning actually starts week 1? Are all you goofballs going to come back and eat your crow or just hide under your rocks?

I find it hilarious that anyone can read anything other than Painter and Orlovsky SUCK into this signing. Even the media has been all over it this year. Partially thanks to Irsay.
Yeah Manning isnt 100%. So what? When has that EVER kept him from starting a game? Or finishing one for that matter…never.

I guess you all have to have something to be excited about besides your own teams, but to bet against the Iron Man that is Manning is fairly stupid and incredibly naive.

Kinda funny too that you rate how the Colts will play based on the preseason games…again, unless you just dont pay any attention at ALL, they always do horrible in the preseason.
I really hope none of you actually think the Colts will be a mess this season based on whats happening in preseason games with horrible QBs and players that wont make the roster….if you are, thats just sad.

by Lodogg2221 on Aug 24, 2011 1:27 PM EDT reply actions  

For all the people saying Collins will struggle because he hold the ball for too long, he doesn't.

Kerry Collins was sacked 13 times last year.
On 12 of the sacks, he held the ball for less than 3 seconds before he got sacked.
On 1 of the sacks, he held the ball for more than 3 seconds before he got sacked.

In comparison, Peyton Manning was sacked 15 times last year.
On 14 of the sacks, he held the ball for less than 3 seconds before he got sacked.
On 1 of the sacks, he held the ball for more than 3 seconds before he got sacked.

Just saying. So that basically means 1 of Collins’ 13 sacks were his fault, not the offensive lines – because a QB should have a 3 second clock in their head and after that is up you should not be taking a sack. It seems to me like he’s pretty good at getting the ball out quickly.

by Coltsfan1345 on Aug 24, 2011 3:15 PM EDT reply actions  

"When Vince quit on the team early in 2008, Collins stepped in and captained them to a 13-3 record."

Idiot. By this logic, if Collins starts the season, Peyton will have quit on the team.

Jake Locker <3

by Lobotomyze on Aug 24, 2011 4:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Also, most of that was defense.

I could have led the Titans to a 10-6 record that year. And I’ve never played QB at any level.

by hartley on Aug 24, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

He did do well.

But the fact is, he was a game manager. He hated being called that, but that’s what he was. The defense led us to a a beautiful season. So did CJ and LenDale. The Ravens bending CJ in half was what ruined it for us.

This is actually a good signing for you guys. He will do good for you, just not great.

GO TITANS!!!

by RhiNo6705 on Aug 24, 2011 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great

I think this is a great signing. Collins knows how to manage a game and will be licking his chops at having the chance to throw to our receivers and tight ends.

It doesn’t matter whether we start with Collins or Manning against Texas’ second team we need our D to step up in order to win.

I have to say, being a Texans fan and dreaming of the playoffs must be like being offered the chance to sleep with Sarah Palin; it’d be a great honour but it ain’t going to happen in this lifetime!!

by TartanColt1 on Aug 24, 2011 8:05 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Agreeing with TartanColt1

Like it or not, something had to be done. Yes, it should have been done sooner than later, but its been done. Keep in mind, Collins is a professional. Its not going to take him half as long as it took Sorgi and its taken Painter to learn the playbook. Orlovsky gets a temporary hall pass because he’s still learning on the job. C’mon, you have to root for the guy a little after having endured an 0-16 season. Yes, he’s a little challenged when it comes to scrambling around in his own backfield, preferring to run out the back of his own endzone, but HEY…..he’s NOT Curtis Painter.

Painter’s a great guy, I’m sure; kind of like our oft-maligned Coach Caldwell. Both are in way over their heads and its not apparent that either will work their way out of the respective craters they’re digging, but that saga is still unfolding. Meanwhile, Collins is a welcome addition. I’ll bet that in the limited time he gets on Friday, he’ll at least show talent and poise that we’re still waiting for Painter to reveal.

Er, ummmm…..do yourself a favor and don’t hold your breath.

by KappakidToo on Aug 24, 2011 8:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Tartan...wha' tha????

I must have missed that LAST part……Sarah Palin?? The very best you can do is $#@% Sarah Palin? PALIN? Where’s Jim Mora when you need him??

What’s that?Ah… Palin? Don’t talk about …Palin! You kidding me? PALIN?

LOL!!!

by KappakidToo on Aug 24, 2011 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

not a Colts fan but I feel sorry for you if Payton is out any amnount of time.

by quimby999 on Aug 24, 2011 11:02 PM EDT reply actions  

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