2011 NFL Preseason Final: Packers 24 - Colts 21
by Brad Wells on Aug 27, 2011 10:15 AM EDT
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PrintDespite choking in the final two minutes, this was a good game for the Colts and their very fragile psyche entering the third and 'most important' game of preseason. Unlike other preseason games, where the Colts just don't seem to care, the coaches game-planned for the opponent and used rotations they will likely go with during the regular season.
To start, the offensive line featured LT Anthony Costanzo, LG Joe Reitz, OC Jeff Saturday, RG Ryan Diem, and RT Jeff Linkenbach. For most of the night, this line played well together, especially when it came to running the ball. Indy had 112 rushing yards for the game.
On the other side, the Colts d-line played as well as I've seen them play in a long time. They limited Green Bay to 45 rushing yards for the game, and they sacked the Pack's QBs five time, three on Aaron Rodgers.
As always, here are my notes for the game. If you agree, disagree, or saw something you'd like to add, please comment.
- On the second play from scrimmage, Linkenbach made an excellent seal block while Diem did a solid job knocking Clay Matthews back. The whole right side of line pushed the Packers off the line-of-scrimmage. Pierre Garcon had some great blocking downfield. Joseph Addai scampered for 17 yards. Impressive work up front by right side of line.
- Second run after that was the same thing. Right side, Link and Diem pushed Pack off the line. Excellent run blocking.
- The Colts used a d-line of Tyler Brayton, Antonio Johnson, Fili Moala, and Jamaal Anderson on run downs. On passing downs, line was Jerry Hughes, Eric Foster, Tommie Harris, and Dwight Freeney. Robert Mathis did not play because of a hamstring. I really like the idea of a run line and a pass line. Freeney, Hughes, and Mathis simply aren't that good against the run whereas Anderson and Brayton were quite stout.
- First defensive series for the Colts forced a three-and-out. Great run defense on first down.
- Curtis Painter did not complete pass until a cheap third-and-13 on the second drive. it was a screen, and it was also only pass Painter completed in first quarter. He had a total of two passing yards.when the quarter ended.
- On the next Packers drive, a 2nd and 8 screen play got broken up by Tommie Harris. Total veteran play. Harris better make this team. He brings something to the d-line the Colts rarely have, ability and experience.
- I'm not gonna kill Pat Angerer for the coverage on the Jermichael Finley touchdown. It was just a great call and a superb throw by Rodgers.
- All night, the Colts punt coverage was very good.
- Later in the first quarter, Rodgers tried to fake out Jamaal Anderson on a boot leg right. Anderson did not bite, and the result was Rodgers throwing an incompletion. This was foreshadowing for Jerry Hughes later in the game.
- I'm getting really sick of Larry Coyer doing this 'fake blitz' crap. It's dumb. When the Colts send everyone up on the line as if they will blitz, the QB can still see Colts are not playing man coverage. The coverage tells everything, unless you disguise it. The Colts don't do that. Thus, Rodgers has no fear of the blitz. He knows it's bogus. At the snap, the Colts back off and rush only four. Rodgers makes an easy completion because Jacob Lacey, who was terrible all night, gave up too much cushion.
- My father-in-law is a Packers fan and knows nothing of the Colts. He called me this morning and said, 'Who's Lacey? That guy isn't very good.' All year long, I get the sinking feeling that Lacey will be the starter, and he will continue to get picked on. Whenever Rodgers needed to make a key throw, he targeted Lacey.
- Chad Clifton's holds all night were ridiculous. They have two refs back there in the backfield, and they both couldn't see this guy blatantly choking John Chick. Chick, who was killing Clifton all night (as was Freeney) would have sacked Rodgers on a 2nd and 5. Instead, Rodgers completed pass to Jordy Nelson covered by, you guessed it, Jacob Lacey.
- The Packers went for it on a 4th and 8th. Why? Well, it's pretty clear they didn't respect Colts defense. Rodgers completed over middle to Donald Driver.
- At the 13:32 mark in the second quarter, the Pack had 131 passing yards. The Colts had two.
- On third down, same drive, Freeney kills Clifton on a bullrush and sacks Rodgers. I believe Rodgers had a running lane for endzone on the play. He scores a TD if Freeney does not sack him. Pack kick a FG.
- In the second quarter, Painter started to find a rhythm, and that rhythm was getting ball to Reggie Wayne on nearly every pass play. In fact, all night Painter was staring down his first read, which was usually Wayne.
- On a first down play action for the Colts in quarter two, Donald Brown made a good block to give painter extra time. Brown did not run well last night, but I noticed that block.
- Reggie Wayne abused Sam Shields all night.
- That missed FG is a chip shot that Adam Vinatieri must hit. Yes, it is a chip shot. In a dome stadium, anything under 50 should be automatic. No excuses.
- The Colts defense in second quarter was quite good. Pass rush improved. Drake Nevis and Freeney gave Packers fits on left side.
- The 56 yard TD from Painter to Wayne was hilarious. All night, Painter was eyeing his primary target. On the throw, he eyed Brooks and three Packers DBs reacted. However, instead of throwing to his primary, Painter looked off and saw Wayne streaking down sideline with no one on him.
- Ugh. On the next series for the Packers, Lacey totally whiffed on a sideline tackle. Jordy Nelson scampers for 30-plus yards.
- Lots of missed tackles all night by David Caldwell. Why was he playing over Joe Lefeged? Beats me.
- On the Rodgers TD pass in the second quarter, the refs FINALLY called Clifton for holding. The reason Clifton was arm-choking the DE was because, once again, John Chick had beaten him. The TD was negated. I can't believe Clifton is a Pro Bowler. He was terrible last night as was Derek Sherrod, the lineman from Mississippi State that many thought the Colts would take in the first round of this year's NFL Draft.
- The Tommie Harris sack was excellent. He split a double-team and zeroed in on Rodgers. Colts rarely get that kind of rush from DT spot. Big sack on third down. The Pack missed a FG to end the drive.
- All night, no one ever called Anthony Castonzo's name. In fact, I've rewatched the game, and not once did I see Painter pressured from his blindside. Castonzo looked damn good playing against a Packers team that blitzed like crazy. Looks like, if things go well, this team finally has a legit left tackle.
- I really liked how David Gilreath and Joe Lefeged handled kick and punt return duties, respectively. Gilreath had a really nice return in the fourth quarter. I think these two guys solidified the return game jobs.
- Delone Carter is not just a good short yardage back. He's a good back, period. He should be ahead of Donald Brown on the depth chart. In fact, Javarris James has outplayed Brown all preseason as well. James and Carter ran very well last night, and James made a great special teams tackle in the second half. If Donald Brown wasn't a first round pick, he'd be cut. Right now, three guys should be ahead of him.
- I won't write much on the Chip Vaughn penalties in the fourth quarter. Clearly, he's frustrated, and he took it out on the Packers. He'll be cut on Tuesday.
- I'm been impressed with Philip Wheeler all preseason, and last night I was even more pleased. The Colts used him as a stand-up rusher on the outside in a hybrid 3-4. He got consistent pressure on Graham Harrell, the fourth quarter Packers QB, and even got a sack. The Colts should consider using Hughes this way too. And speaking of ole Jerry...
- OK, so remember the foreshadowing regarding Jamaal Anderson and Aaron Rodgers from earlier? Well, almost the exact same play happened in the fourth quarter. This time, it involved Pack QB Graham Harrell and Colts DE Jerry Hughes. On the play that to cut the Colts lead to two with roughly 35 second left, Graham Harrell ran left, looking for an open receiver. Hughes was barring down on him. Harrell took a step to his right and shook Hughes so badly he lost his footing and fell down. The move made Hughes look like a bumbling fool. Harrell then completed the pass for a TD. If Hughes makes that sack, that's the ballgame.If he does what Anderson did to Rodgers earlier, it's probably the ballgame.
- After watching three preseason games, it's obvious Jamaal Anderson, John Chick, and Tyler Brayton are all better than Hughes. Like with Donald Brown, if Hughes weren't a first rounder, he should be cut. He's just a bad football player, and he will be a wasted roster spot this year.
- There simply is no excuse for Jim Caldwell on the onside kick. It was obvious the Packers were going to do that after they tied the game, and Caldwell didn't even have his hands team out there. None of the Colts were expecting the play. You'd think that after Super Bowl XLIV, Caldwell would have learned. Clearly, he hasn't. I lost a lot of respect for him in 2010 with some of the boneheaded decisions he made. Last night did not renew anything. Just bad, bad, BAD coaching. Caldwell and others can blame Chip Vaughn all they want, but if the hands team is out there and the Colts recover, they are near FG range and can end the game quickly. Instead, the Pack went for the win (as they should have), and Caldwell is yet again made to look foolish.
So, overall, despite some major screw-ups, lots of positives to take from this game. The last two minutes was a choke job collectively by the team and highlighted by the idiocy of Chip Vaughn and Jim Caldwell. It really left a bad taste in everyone's mouth after a pretty solid game. Afterwards, I listened to Bill Polian on 1070 The Fan, and he said the starters will indeed play against the Bengals next week so that Kerry Collins could get some reps with them before Week One.
Thoughts? Observations? Please comment.
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Maybe some more receivers
should stick up for Painter in the press. Then, they’ll be targeted too. lol Actually, I’m happy for Painter. Much improved performance.
Very Good Writeup
Hughes and Brown should be cut but you are correct, they won’t be.Too bad because there are players who should be kept but won’t be. Real progress on O-LIne and D-Line.
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I agree here. Most of the points in the article were spot on.
We do still have some issue on the right side. I’d still go with Diem and Link. Receiving core did ok, but we need Collie and/or Gonzalez in a big way. I hoped this team would play around with Clark and Tamme more, nothing wrong with a little creativity here and there.
by strandedincarolina on Aug 27, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
hmmmm....Gonzo hurt again....
I think it’s time for Gonzo to go bye-bye. There is simply too much other talent out there waiting to be signed that aren’t the injury risk.
Lets go do what we do.
GW FG
I was half-expecting Caldwell to call timeout to give the Packers a chance to get a bit closer for the game winning field goal.
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by Colteyes on Aug 27, 2011 10:32 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Caldwell is so bad
He’ll be the single biggest reason we don’t get to the SB again this year. And if we do, it will be despite his horrible coaching decisions.
by Manning4Prez on Aug 27, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think Caldwell appears to be a great person with good moral judgement and character.
But when I want Jesus I go to church and when I watch my Colts I want a real leader both vocally and as a strategist. I do not see either of these qualities in Caldwell. I am also beginning to question if Polian and Irsay feel he is a leader also or they would be less vocal/visible and Caldwell would be at least seem more in control with the issues at hand. We complain about Polian nepotism but I think the same thing can be said regarding the transition from Dungy to Caldwell. Okay, I need to leave now and dodge lightning bolts from above.
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by PV Mike on Aug 27, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You're 100% right.
Dungy recommends Caldwell. So, Polian hires idiot Caldwell. Caldwell clearly demonstrates he has no idea how to coach. Regardless, Polian continues to employ Caldwell as head coach. Lather. Rinse. Repeat. Maybe someday the light bulb will come on in Polian’s head: Caldwell can’t coach. It’s not that difficult. Just watch him. Sheesh.
by Ayrshire on Aug 27, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ayshire...
Of course Polian wants Caldwell there! If he were to get a big named coach or a coach with some b@77$ then he wouldn’t have as much control, and we know he wants to impress his lil boy Chris
Lets go do what we do.
My guess is, Lefeged already made the team, so David Caldwell got some playing time.
Sherrod was bad, because he had to play LG the whole TC and preseason. He couldn’t develop at LT.
Donald Brown and Hughes should be traded, they have some trade value. They are cheap, have years left on their contracts and have potential. And no more should the Colts waste a 1st rounder on a RB and an undersized DE (unless it’s Edge and Freeney again).
Hughes
I want to agree he should be cut, but I’m patient and it’s only his second preseason. Patience on a first round draft pick. I would concur on using him as a stand up end, but he has to work on over running the play and keep that motor rolling the whole time.
Brown Yes- Trade
I would like to see Hughes at linebacker, we own him and he can’t play down but is fast and quick.Nothing to loose by trying.
The most disturbing aspect is that Hughes hasn't show anything. At all.
A tiny flash would be nice at this point.
Agree
Most shorter guys who are down have trouble seeing whats going on. I have always thought that was his problem
Lots of positives last night
Really pleased on many levels with last night’s game. Yes, Vaughn, Hughes and Caldwell conspired to screw the pooch at the end, but overall the effort and the execution was light-years ahead of the Washington game.
BBS is right: Painter looked for Wayne ALL night. Because 87 had his back? Because Painter can’t make multiple reads? Whatever, this was Painter’s best performance as a Colt. Not saying much, but hey, at least it was visible improvement. Enough that I bet he stays on the roster.
Brown didn’t run well, but how much of that was the blocking? On one stretch play to the left, 3 Packers met him at the line. I counted at least 4 blitz pickups by him, including one block in the second quarter where he made contact not once, but came back for a second time. This, too, was improvement.
Freeney was awesome. He used and abused Chad Clifton, got his work in, sent in John Chick, and then Chick abused Clifton, too. Clifton’s best move was to hold whomever got past him. But, if you were charged with protecting Aaron Rodgers, you’d hold too. I would take Rodgers over Brees as the best quarterback in the NFC.
Liked the work by Phillip Wheeler. Sims was active, but didn’t really do much that I could tell. Moten was less visible this week but I think he’s got this team made. Asking Angerer to one on one with Finley is a schematic problem; where was the safety help?
And speaking of tight ends, why did Dallas Clark even bother suiting up? Maybe Painter was so fixed on 87 that he could never find Clark.
Was Caldwell’s anger at Chip Vaughn the most animated he’s ever been on the sideline? For a second I didn’t realize it was him, his face was so expressive.
Anyhow, to essentially beat the world champions—and to withstand 19-23 for 204 from Rodgers—is a much better performance. Thankfully…
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I wondered about Clark as well
Don’t know if it was Painter or him but he was a non factor.
by MrBoJangles46 on Aug 27, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
They had Clark blocking a lot last night
It was clear they were trying to limit the pressure on Painter. I saw on at least 3 of his completions that Dallas was still at the line blocking. I think this is how they managed Clay Matthews.
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Had a bunch fo tackles in teh first half, of course that’s all i saw as we left at half..it was my first visti to the Luke, and it was long overdue.
Agrre with BBS taht our D-LINe looked VERY good last nithg, ilike havign players liek Siims and Anderson who are rundown specialists.
Not only me but the guys next to me were grumbling and complaing about Laceys piss poor coverage. Hes been bad ALL pre-season.
Painter had flashes where he went threwhis progressions, and then he woudl stare down Reggie…that TD pass in the corner of the end zone was a nice throw…but then he throws some balls right in the dirt. Hes very inconsistent right now, though that is an improvement over straight sucking
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by dezznutz1001 on Aug 27, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree with pretty much all of this
Brown was much better on the blitz pickups than Evans, which means he’s at least the 3rd back on the team. Addai was a beast and so was Carter, Brown should be the #3 back. Brown’s problem is he doesn’t see the field well. There were several plays where there were good cutback lanes available, but he just didn’t see them and ran into contact. I counted at least 3 I think.
Freeney and John Chick were both monstrous. Clifton is terrible. Chick should make the team as the 3rd pass-rushing DE. He is better than any other DE on the roster not named Freeney/Mathis when it comes to rushing the passer, and he also played very respectably against the run. At this point, Chick has looked to me like the 3rd best DE on the team by a pretty wide margin.
Wheeler as a standing rusher was the only positive I saw from a coaching standpoint last night. This is a scheme he can excel in, and I think it may be the only way Hughes finds success in the NFL if the coaches give him a chance there. That said, having Wheeler rush on the 2pt conversion from the standing DE spot was also one of the worst coaching mistakes of the night. A sack gives you nothing more than simply dropping into coverage and defending the pass, yet the risk is way higher as the man that Wheeler should have had ended up finding the soft spot in the weak colts zone for the 2pt conversion.
Yes, that was the most I’ve ever seen out of Caldwell. Vaughn should be the first name on the Cut list at this point
by LeftNutForAStarCenter on Aug 27, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Agree
Donald Brown doesn’t understand how to run behind a zone blocking scheme.
Also wanted to commend Castonzo’s play. In the 2nd half, there was a stretch play left run by James. Castonzo got completely overpowered and James picked up a short gain. The next play, the Colts ran the same play again and Castonzo was overpowered initially but showed great leverage and technique, shoved the defender back, and James used the hole to pick up 15 yards. The Colts might even have a bit of a run game this year!
by _-*JUICE*-_ on Aug 27, 2011 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Content
I’m more content after this game. Both lines played about as well as I could have hoped. I’m still uneasy about the secondary (mostly Lacey) but even tho they gave up alot of completions they help the pack’s first teamers to 10 point in the first half and that’s encouraging. I guess that’s our philosophy on D… Like bbs said I like the d line rotation, I think this could help to at least slow down the run this year.
by Kdog@usi on Aug 27, 2011 10:49 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Uneasy about the corners, too
It just kills me to have Lacey give so much cushion. I see 27 but I flash back to 23. Are they really coaching him to do this?
The fault, dear Brutus, lies not in the stars, but in ourselves.
I try to bug the DBs and Irsay on twitter about the cushion
But no response yet.
I hope indystar has the guts (not likely) to ask Caldwell in the press conference.
If you ask them tough questions,
you may lose your access to the team.
Any time it's 3rd down I am scared pooless when the ball is thrown Lacey's way.
It seems like an automatic conversion.
No point in being scared
When the ball is thrown lacey’s way I just hope that on the next set of downs there will be a stop, because it’s a lock that lacey will be 5 yards past the first down marker and 10 yds off his man.
by LeftNutForAStarCenter on Aug 27, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Lacey
He is the new David Maclin
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by AceOfSpades on Aug 27, 2011 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
If you care about the team, you ask the tough Q
because they are too stupid to see.
Anyway, indystar won’t lose their access.
Collins
I believe Jim felt the preasure for that.
by MrBoJangles46 on Aug 27, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
I see 27 and flash back to 42
… and the hard-working but often overmatched and under-talented Jason David.
by Voice of the Profit on Aug 27, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Did you see the Cartoon bubble "WTF?" over Addai's head when he went through and actual hole in the line?
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by VermVerm on Aug 27, 2011 10:50 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Hughes
I was at the game last night and focused on Hughes when he was in there. He didn’t play nearly as horrible as you made it sound. I’m fairly certain he was in there on Freeney’s sack when he slipped under Clifton and Rogers had the running lane to the end zone. If it weren’t for Hughes getting pressure and forcing Rogers up, Freeney doesn’t get that sack. Same for Harris’s sack. I too am frustrated that he hasn’t shown more in games, and his spin move seemed incredibly slow and predictable, but remember everyone said he was playing lights out during training camp. Give the guy a break. He’s at least shown flashes, unlike Brown.
by torridphenix on Aug 27, 2011 11:03 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Huges wasn't terrible.
He played pretty well I think. Got some good pressure. The assessment of him in this article is very inaccurate. Just cause the guy didn’t make lights out plays and sack the QB every time he dropped back, obviously means he’s a bust!
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Hughes
Played the entire game, and didn’t record a tackle. There’s no other way to put it, Jerry Hughes played poorly.
Did he beat the OT once or twice? Yes, but for a 1st rounder to not record a tackle or even any QB pressures for an entire game is a huge disappointment.
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Really?
We have two pro bowl ends who I’m sure in their careers have had a few games where they’ve played much more than Hughes last night and didn’t record a tackle or pressure. People need to stop overreacting. He’s still young and learning from two of the best. Coming from TCU and the MWC did him no favors, but he still has talent. If he doesn’t show more progress over the next year then I agree, he needs to go but give him time and I’m sure he’ll impress.
by torridphenix on Aug 27, 2011 7:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Logic?
Why use logic? It’s silly and uncalled for! Huges is a buuuuussssstttt! Why can’t you see this!! :P
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by coltsfan723 on Aug 27, 2011 7:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Colts.com
The first picture you see is of Freeney’s sack and yet low and behold, it’s just like I said before, Rogers moved up in the pocket to avoid Hughes. The picture actually shows Hughes with a handful of Rogers jersey while Freeney is starting to take him down. I’m no rocket scientist but I’m fairly sure it looks like a QB pressure to me. Who needs logic or seeing it for ourselves on the front page of Colts.com though? ;)
by torridphenix on Aug 27, 2011 7:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He's still learning
But at this point he only has 1 pass rush move which is to try the outside and it hasn’t worked yet. He needs to develop an inside move or a spin move and continue to get stronger so he can play the run or develop a bull rush.
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by AceOfSpades on Aug 27, 2011 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree 100%. He absolutely needs to develop further. I just get tired of ridiculous knee-jerk reactions.
by torridphenix on Aug 28, 2011 12:01 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I saw Hughes in on a few plays as well
He wasn’t terrible. The problem really is that he was the 6th best DE on the team. Chick was miles ahead of him, freeney/mathis obviously as well. Brayton and Anderson offer better run defense. This is the problem with hughes. He is way behind a CFL standout at this point.
by LeftNutForAStarCenter on Aug 27, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
2 first round busts
Im ready to call both Jerry Hughes and Donald Brown first round busts, even if others aren’t yet. Hughes has no place on this team and his first round draft pick was nothing more than a knee jerk reaction to Dwight Freeney’s injury during the Super Bowl. Brown has yet to impress. He is out played by Carter and James. Brown should be the 4th RB. The fact that the Colts passed on Hakeem Nicks to pick Brown makes me sick.
by AV8TOR on Aug 27, 2011 11:05 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
out-coached again
really tired of being out coached every game. Caldwell needs to step it up
on a positive note… delone carter looked like a stud
by Garen Pay on Aug 27, 2011 11:11 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Painter showed improvement
Painter actually did more than just “stare down his first read.” He also led the team on two touchdown drives, one of which was a two minute drive that covered the length of the field. In that drive he hit several different receivers (not just Wayne) and managed the team well. The coaches helped him by calling some timeouts – where Manning would have kept going. However, Painter used the tools the offense provided. He also avoided throwing interceptions, which was a good sign. He still holds the ball too long. But, there are quarterbacks all over the league who hold the ball too long (including Collins). If the Colts plan to keep 3 QBs (which seems wise since Manning is coming back from injury and Collins is 38 years old), then Painter probably solidified his position as the 3rd QB.
I agree with everything but the staring down his first read.
He has an extremely limited ability to progress receivers. If he was playing in the regular season, he’d have been picked two or three times. You cannot stare down Wayne time and time again like he did last night.
He did show something. He did prove a lot of people wrong. He still is not an answer, even as a backup.
by strandedincarolina on Aug 27, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Staring down = young quarterback
Many young quarterbacks go through a stage of staring down a read or of favoring a single receiver. But, the key is that he did NOT the throw 2-3 interceptions because he was not throwing into coverage. Taking sacks, yes, but not bad throws. In the first half, both Wayne and Garcon dropped first downs that were catchable balls that were throw away from the coverage. I remember Manning’s rookie year when he did remarkable things, made alot of touchdowns and led the team. Yet, even he would stare down receivers at times and throw into coverage (he threw, what 28 interceptions or something). Look, I don’t want Painter starting regular season games at this point. He is not ready. But, there many examples of solid quarterbacks who were not very good until they had three or four years in the league.
by MichColtFan on Aug 27, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
They ran quite a few packages that exploit DBs by staring them down
They flooded one side of the field quite a bit. It forces the DB to guess which WR to cover. This is how the Wayne touchdown occurred. He forced the safety in by staring down that side of the field. The safety guessed wrong and Wayne was open over the top. I’m guessing this was part of the game plan and they must have seen something on film and exploited it.
Usually when you hear about QBs staring down WR there are INTs. There were 0 INTs last night for Painter and I can’t even remember anything that was close to being an INT. I got the feeling as I watched the game that it was intentional because Orlavsky did the same thing.
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He has an extremely limited ability to progress receivers. If he was playing in the regular season, he’d have been picked two or three times.dd
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How far did
he want his receivers to progress? I think they’ve shown pretty good progress so far.
he did and didn't.
I’ve never seen a professional quarterback EVER stare down his first read so much as Painter has. He went to his second option maybe once all night. I disagree with BBS’s assessment that Painter looked at Brooks and then saw wayne wide open. I think Painter was watching Wayne all along and the defenders just thought he was looking at brooks because their routes intersected. They didn’t think he had a 30yd pass in him.
Yes, he hit several WRs on that drive, but it was the first read pretty much every time. He DID throw into coverage several times because of his staring down, but it just happened that he never got picked off. He almost got Wayne and Garcon killed on separate occasions because he stared them right into triple coverage.
He also threw 3 passes in Garcon’s direction that landed at his feet despite garcon being wide open. He also threw a pass out of bounds for no reason under slight pressure when directly in that same throwing path out of bounds was an open chris brooks.
Painter made a lot of strides last night, don’t get me wrong. But he’s not a good QB, and to think that what he showed last night could suggest he could be, is just wishful thinking
by LeftNutForAStarCenter on Aug 27, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
You're probably right,
but it was significant improvement from what he has shown so far. I’d like to see him get some good playing time in our next game to see if he can elevate his play even more.
"I think Painter was watching Wayne all along"
One pair of the 4D glasses he’s watching with please!
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I haven’t watched any of the preseason games but I have watched some of the highlights. To me, it seems like Painter was just way too uptight in the previous preseason games this year and any other time he’s been playing. I kept thinking to myself, “You know, if he would just calm down and try to get a feel for the flow of the game maybe he’d play better.” And it seems that’s exactly what happened last night in the second quarter on. If he’s worth anything, maybe he’ll learn from that and continue to improve.
Having said all that, I still think it’s a little to early to throw in the towel for Painter to be honest. And I think the Colts FO is going to ultimately agree and keep him around, which I think is a good thing. Who knows, if he continues to improve and work on the stuff he did last night he might become pretty good.
Highlights are misleading.
I don’t hate the guy, but the fact is he is not nor will he ever be a real QB. It’s like watching Garcon without the highlight catches. He has trouble hitting dumpoffs and easy throws. He gets severely target fixated. I understand happy feet from a young QB under pressure, but with clean and great pockets? Really? He’s had all the starting reps from the time training camp broke to now. I don’t see the light coming on. He has the arm and footwork, but mental part will never be there.
by strandedincarolina on Aug 27, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
"I don't see the lights coming on"
Say what? You saw no improvement in this game? The lights are on – take of YOUR shades.
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D-Line looks more talented
The defensive line appears more talented. We have more solid options at tackle than we have had in years. And, we have some good depth at the ends, too. Free-agency may be a good thing afterall.
It looks solid for the first time in a long time.
I liked putting Brayton and Anderson in there on running downs. I don’t think this qualifies as a weakness right now. The secondary and O Line depth are the issue right now. I’m hoping with cut down days coming up, we can pick up a good player or two.
by strandedincarolina on Aug 27, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Brown
I don’t think Brown has the physical strength to play running back in the league. He just doesn’t shed tackles or drive the pile forward. Great speed, nice ability to catch the ball. Just not a good fit for the type of running we need him to do. Maybe if he was in a system where he had fullback….
I think his bigger problem is
He doesn’t see the field well at all. He makes the wrong cuts and doesn’t hit gaps even when they’re there. I noticed at least 3 plays last night where there was a running lane, but he just ran directly into contact in another direction.
by LeftNutForAStarCenter on Aug 27, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Painter
Finally shows somepoise on someplays. It’s clear that confidence played a part in his decent play in the second quarter. There is no denying the man can make the throws. Whether or not he can get some consistency is another story. I will delay a final judgement until the close of preseason. I still like the Collins pickup, and look forward to seeing how well he can pick up this offense. I saw some great running from Addai and James, and the rook looks like he may be special. I can’t get too down on Donald yet, I still remember the flashes he showed last year. In all, this may have been the best showing by the Colts in preseason in the last five years. The onside foul up was enough to induce going postal though.
Painter QB Rating=111.4
Against a top flight defense that left opposing Quarterback wallowing in their path of destruction on the way to a Super Bowl Championship…
Here are Peyton’s stats against a similar team from last year
15 for 26 214yds 2 TD 1 INT QB Rating= 94.1
The biggest reason for the turn around is the Colts ability to run the ball effectively. Curtis should give Addai a big kiss today for possibly salvaging his football career. Just to be clear, I shouldn’t have to mention it, but Painter isn’t in the same universe as Manning, but he definitely played well enough for a 2nd string NFL QB last night (and last night only, so far…)
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His first good game preseason game ever!!! ,,,and that one long TD pass the DB fell down
DO NOT TRUST HIM against Houston, if he starts we will get killed,, have to go with Collins as long as he is ready!!!!!!
by OBGYNOSUPREME on Aug 27, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah...
When both touchdowns were against a completely blown coverage, and against a metally handicapped kangaroo in Jarrett Bush. A good idea would be to never compare Manning to Painter.
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by arodgb on Aug 27, 2011 12:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
The second one was a perfect throw.
If Manning or Rogers threw it, you’d have raved about it. He has the ability to make the throws. His problems are mental. He has the tools to succeed.
by strandedincarolina on Aug 27, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you kidding me?
For every one of those, he had three off target or in the dirt passes. Manning doesn’t miss those, we likely wouldve been torn to shreds if he had played tonight. It was not a good performance. You can look at stats or you can look at the GAME and tell how he played. And it doesnt change the fact that he threw over GB’s worst cover man. A half competent corner would likely have knocked it away, even if it was a good throw.
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by arodgb on Aug 27, 2011 1:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm not defending Painter.
But to his credit, it was a really nice pass. To say that both TD passes were blown coverage is ignorant. A good pass is a good pass regardless or who threw it. Give the guy credit where it is due. Most of the rest of his night was a train wreck.
by strandedincarolina on Aug 27, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, Good Point
I would still argue about the ‘tools to succeed’ comment, but he could’ve looked much, much worse, that’s for sure. It will be interesting to see how Collins plays next week…
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Again we're not comparing Painter to Manning
The comparison should be Collins to Painter and I’m not sure Collins has anything on him. The blown coverage on the Reggie Wayne pass was dictated by Painter. Painter didn’t throw picks. The throw to Garcon was perfect and so was the throw to Brooks. Everyone seems to get that Peyton doesn’t throw 25 for 25 with 6 TDs and 450 yds. He is the best QB in the NFL, but he’s human and makes bad throws too. He had 3 games last year where he threw 3 INTs. Painter played well and it’s about time someone gave him credit.
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Um...
Painter QB Rating=111.4
Against a top flight defense that left opposing Quarterback wallowing in their path of destruction on the way to a Super Bowl Championship…
Here are Peyton’s stats against a similar team from last year
15 for 26 214yds 2 TD 1 INT QB Rating= 94.1
Yeah, actually you are comparing them. Painter did NOT play well, outside of about five nice throws.
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No one thinks that Painter will start over Manning
I saw a lot more than 5 good throws. With all of the pressure that he had in his face he made great decisions. He didn’t let the ball sail, which Orlavsky and Collins are known for doing. He played incredibly well against a top 5 defense and would have won that game had he gone 4 quarters. Sure he locked on to Reggie, but so does Peyton. Reggie had 111 catches last year compared to Garcon with 67.
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Have to go with the proven veteran on the road
who had started against Houston on the road and even though Houston has changed a lot of things , Collins knows a lot of their players and their tendancies and Colts can scale down the playbook a little for Collins- no big deal
by OBGYNOSUPREME on Aug 27, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Proven to throw just as many picks as TDs
You know know what Kerry can do. Also keep in mind that he’s been benched for VY and that he has played well only when he has a decent run game.
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Feeling a lot better
About our defense after the performance last night.
With Peyton healthy or semi healthy this team should still be a playoff team without a doubt.
now, if we start slow because of Peyton injury, we might struggle down the road to get in the playoff, but I really believe no one will want to play the Colts in the playoffs if we get in.
Of course, if we are doom like last season with the injuries then we can just kiss #2012indyblingmission good bye!
Im surprised
no ones mentioned the several noticeable pass interference non calls on the Packers i saw two that were basically drive ending and even the announcers did the slow mo for them. Not that its a big deal but those two completions or at least getting the penalty yards for them would have made them look even better in their first actual try at playing in the preseason.
Carter is a strong back who was pushing defenders back in his runs and i saw some good speed from Addai.
As for Painter i thinks hes getting better but the problem is its taking too long for him to become a quality QB by the time he does he’ll be too old or just irrelevant
There was one very very obvious one
that wasn’t called against Pierre Garcon.
I didn’t think there were other obvious non calls aside from that one. There were at least 3-4 very obvious holds from chad clifton on the night, but only one was called, which was absurd. Freeney and John Chick absolutely abused Chad Clifton all night long.
by LeftNutForAStarCenter on Aug 27, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Thats the one early in the game right?
A second was not as obvious but was shown on the slow mo to be an apparent early hit on a sideline pass later in the game i think Painter was taken out already and yeah the holding was frustrating i thought our D had Rodgers down plenty of times
I remember there was interference on the pass to garcon
that ended up going for 36 yards…It was Collins that kinda hit garcon early and forced him into a stumble, but garcon was able to make the catch anyway. That was probably a PI as well, but garcon made a great falling catch on it.
by LeftNutForAStarCenter on Aug 27, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Well of course
if its not a falling or somehow more difficult than normal pass Garcon doesn’t bother hauling it in haha but i do think if even half ofthose penalties were called it wouldve easily been a Colts game with that 2nd quarter rhythm.
Hey, I wandered over here from Buffalo Rumblings. The son of a friend of mine is an UDFA for your Colts: WR Joe Horn (#16). How did he look last night? How about on Special Teams? What do his chances of making the roster or PS look like?
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Not sure.
Reports are he’s had a very good camp, but he’s only played in one game and caught one pass. Could be a practice squad guy. We were excited to get him so hopefully he can recover and make an impact.
by ActionOxford on Aug 27, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Thx.
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by thefourwinds on Aug 27, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Oline...tale of two sides
Even though the right side got a few great running plays, I thought the left side of the line was consistently solid. If they play like this every game, I’ll be surprised if PM gets sacked more than 10 times the entire season. The right side is inconsistent, but when you have a quick release QB it doesn’t seem as bad. As long as they can open a few running lanes, we’re good on offense.
Say what you will about Garcon, but Dallas’ drops are worse, imo.
I thought Hughes was actually okay. I didn’t get a chance to watch the last 3 minutes so I missed the sack whiff, but from what I saw he got pressure.
The middle of out D-line…yes. I’m stoked.
Because we’re getting inside pressure and because the status of our safeties is uncertain, we should NOT be giving up huge CB cushions. That is driving me crazy.
Orlavsky should pack his bags now and save some time.
I can’t judge Brown because the run blocking broke down when he got the ball.
Coyer, please, PLEASE look at what GB does with Woodson and adopt that philosophy with Wheeler and Hughes. They could be solid wild cards on D.
by ballistikk on Aug 27, 2011 1:16 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Hughes
wasn’t terrible last night, but he wasn’t even the 5th best defensive end on the team.
Behind Freeney/Mathis, John Chick was by far the best pass rush defensive end, and has been playing like the 3rd best DE on the team all pre-season long. Brayton and Anderson were both decent against the run, though they offered little push in the pocket. Hughes was the 6th best DE on the field, which doesn’t bode well for him.
Like BBS mentioned, I’d rather see them use Hughes like they used Wheeler, as a stand-up rusher in a hybrid 3-4 formation where wheeler had good success last night.
Left side of the line was excellent all night long. I’m excited for that part of the O-line.
by LeftNutForAStarCenter on Aug 27, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
My thoughts on some topics that haven't been fully discussed.
1. The right side of the line did well to open up some holes in the running game, but Link was beaten pretty soundly on a couple of sacks. Seemed to be slow sealing off the edge on a few occasions last night. At this point, I would’ve like to see enough progression from Ijalana where he could be running with the 1st team a bit. He didn’t at all last night which means Linkenbach is almost certainly our opening day RT. Could be worse (Diem could be there) but I would’ve liked to see Ijalana assert himself and take that spot. My hope is he’s able to sometime in the near future.
2. BBS is absolutely right about Delone Carter being more than a short yardage back. This was my first real look at him and I thought he was very impressive. He’s got more juke than I remember hearing about (made several quick cuts last night) and after he makes a move, he puts his head down and gets upfield. Haven’t seen that type of running from one our of backs in quite some time. Guy always seems to be falling forward. Speaking of short yardage, there was also a 3rd and 1 where Carter was hit behind or near the line of scrimmage. He fought through the contact, gained a couple of yards and was able to pick up the 1st down. Loved seeing that.
3. I feel much better about our S depth this year. Joe Lefeged looks like he could be a player (not only as a S, but as BBS mentioned, as a return man). I also liked what I saw from Mike Newton. He jumped a route earlier in the game and if he’s able to get his hands on the ball, it’s a pick-6. Also made a nice play at the end of the game to knock a pass away at the goal line. If Lefeged and Newton are our backup safeties, I’d be just fine with that.
Pleased with what I saw overall last night. Made me excited for the Houston game.
by BoilerHerrm on Aug 27, 2011 1:19 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I agree with your point 3
However, it looks to me like the team is higher on david caldwell than either lefeged or newton, although I think Lefeged is certainly the better player, and the competition should be tight between caldwell and newton.
To be honest, I know people aren’t very high on Linkenbach, but Ijalana was terrible when he came in late in the game against very weak competition. I noticed him get badly beat on several snaps.
by LeftNutForAStarCenter on Aug 27, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
BBS
I’m glad to see ur backing off “Tommie Harris” not making the team on ur final 53 prediction from last week.
by gmitch23 on Aug 27, 2011 1:36 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Delone is a beast!
Glad your givin my boy from the Cuse some props! Hes an animal, D-Brown isnt even in his class. Its obviously the other DE’s are outplaying Hughes too. I’m inches away from callin him a BUST…but im still holding out a little hope!
yes about time
we had someone who can get us the first down on 3rd and 1, 2 or 3 on the ground
by OBGYNOSUPREME on Aug 27, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Game got me thinking about the final 53. Here's my take after last night's game:
Offense:
QB- Manning, Collins, Painter (3)
RB- Addai, Carter, Brown, James (4)
WR- Wayne, Collie, Garcon, Gonzalez, Gilreath (5)
TE- Clark, Tamme, Eldridge, Snow (4)
RT- Linkenbach, Ijalana (2)
RG- Diem, Devan (2)
C- Saturday, Pollak (2)
LG- Reitz, McClendon (2)
LT- Castonzo, Toudouze/Tepper (2)
26
Defense
LDE: Mathis, Anderson (2)
NT: Johnson, Matthews, Foster (3)
UT: Nevis, Harris, Moala (3)
RDE: Freeney, Hughes (2)
WLB: Sims, Conner (2)
MLB: Brackett, Moten (2)
SLB: Angerer, Wheeler (2)
CB: Powers, Tryon, Lacey, Thomas, Rucker (5)
FS: Bethea, Newton (2)
SS: Bullitt, Lefeged (2)
25
ST:
K: Vinatieri (1)
P: McAfee (1)
David Gilreaths is PR, Joe Lefeged is KR
^ This will be the roster.
I don’t know how high the team is on carrying 4 RBs though. But this is the most accurate roster I have seen yet.
by kferguson2002 on Aug 28, 2011 9:02 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
On the pass rushing line
I’d rather see Nevis out there than Foster, for sure. How sick would a pass rushing line of Mathis, Nevis, Harris, Freeney.
Also, Kevin Thomas looked real good last night. It wasn’t against the best competition though.
Carter should clearly be the #2 back.
by Coltsfan1345 on Aug 27, 2011 1:54 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
a lot of positives last nite
hopefully Mathis hamstring is not too bad we need him opening day and no more injuries before Houston
Linkenbach is horrible.
He can’t pass block at all. Ijalana better get the call at RT and step his play up.
I like Diem at guard though.
I have been calling for that move for the last few years.
yes Diem better at guard
and Link got abused last year at left tackle against Houston,, Ijalana needs experience, has a lot to learn , he is young and not much camp time
by OBGYNOSUPREME on Aug 27, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Ijalana was TERRIBLE last night
when he came in the game.
He was horrid. Linkenbach was miles and miles better than him last night and against much better competition.
by LeftNutForAStarCenter on Aug 27, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I have really like what I've seen from one player in particular who gets little attention
John Chick has been the 3rd best defensive end on this team. Hands down in my opinion. He has earned a spot over Hughes on this team, and it would be a damn shame if he didn’t get it.
by LeftNutForAStarCenter on Aug 27, 2011 2:12 PM EDT reply actions
I think the even worse coaching call
Was sending Philip Wheeler on the Blitz from his standing spot in the hybrid 3-4.
There’s absolutely no reason for a blitz in this situation. This is not a 3rd and 3 situation at the edge of FG range where 2 yards gets them a FG and a sack of 4 yds takes them out of range.
This is a play where a pass incompletion is exactly as valuable as a sack. They lined up in a very very very obvious passing formation, and the Colts dialed in the Wheeler blitz. This was absolutely stupid, and completely the wrong course of action.
Completely unsurprisingly, Wheeler ignores the TE who runs right up the seam and just sits in a soft spot in the zone where the pass is easily completed for the conversion. Had wheeler stuck with his man, dropping back into man to compliment the zone scheme over top, there’s no 2-pt conversion, and the Colts probably (though I wouldn’t put it past caldwell not to) recognize the obvious onside kick coming up and the game is over.
The call to blitz in this situation is just dumb.
by LeftNutForAStarCenter on Aug 27, 2011 2:42 PM EDT reply actions
sorry, I should specify that it was only the call of sending him on the blitz during the 2-pt conversion try
the rest of the plays with wheeler rushing as a standing LB at the LOS I actually liked.
by LeftNutForAStarCenter on Aug 27, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
There are many things a sack can accomplish:
-QB sack.
-QB pressure.
-Hurried throws.
-Disrupt the timing of the offense.
You don’t call a sack only when you need to push the offense back a few yards.
Also, you mentioned the Packers lined up in a very obvious passing situation – which is an ideal time to blitz, and if I remember correctly, Wheeler had been rushing off the edge for most of the plays of that drive, including a sack.
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Run blocking
Was pleased with the run blocking on the right side of the starting line, but the left side of #1 Anthony C. & Joe R. was bad. Their pass blocking was good thou. The D-line played the run better than we’ve seen in quite a while! Don’t bash D. Brown to badly, remember he was the teams’ leading rusher last year & had it’s longest run from scrimage.
Brown as the leading rusher
But I don’t think there’s any doubt that Addai was the better runner and all-around player. Unfortunately he was injured a bit and the run blocking was as bad as it’s been in the Manning era. Addai and Carter have clearly been better this preseason although I’ll admit Brown wasn’t given many holes last night.
lot of new guys on the Oline
maybe , we will not have to say that next yr
Observations from a Pessimist
The item that stood out more than anything is the apparent change of RoTATING thr D-line.I agree.First time I have agreed with D-cord.DF and RM become more effective playing less.I know that is counter intuitive to some fans buy RM and DF are not good against the run.I was impressed with the entire D-line. Now if we can just do something about removing J. Lacey,I might begin to be optimistic about this Defense.One last comment is BenIjalama as bad in practice as he was last nite in the 2nd half.He looked completely lost at right tackle,clueless.I hope that was just a bad game
u are right
RM, DF always better on obvious passing downs and they do get pushed out of position on run plays a lot of times,, J Lacey has not improved at all
by OBGYNOSUPREME on Aug 27, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Angerer vs
I’m not gonna kill Pat Angerer for the coverage on the Jermichael Finley touchdown. It was just a great call and a superb throw by Rodgers.
It looked like Angerer had his hands in there thoroughly as a great attempt to cause a dropped pass but Finley was not to be denied. I think 70% of the time, Angerer’s effort would have broken that up.
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My guess is that Caldwell wanted to get the game over worth, hence the poor coverage on the onside kick. After four quarters in a preseason game, they have seen all they need. Why risk an injury?
Poor coverage?
From 11 players 5 were on the line closest to midfield. That was no hands team.
Also, if recovered, kneel down is coming, nothing is less risky.
If recovered...
The teams go to Overtime.
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Caldwell and the coaching staff came up with a game plan to stick with GB with Painter as QB
that’s gotta count for something. I’m not a Caldwell defender by any means, but that onside kick fiasco is a little over-blown. In reality it was the end of a pre-season game. None of our starters were out there and to be honest, I think everyone just wanted the game to be over. Does that mean that Caldwell was deliberately throwing the game? I don’t think so, I just don’t think he cared that much at the final outcome. We saw what we needed to see, that’s all.
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by danorocks17 on Aug 27, 2011 5:24 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I think that sometimes
not enough advantage is taken of pre-season opportunities. To have a close game come down to the wire, try to win it! Give the guys that game-is-on-the-line experience, and use tactics to try to duplicate what you’d most likely try to do in the regular season, in a close one.
by Ayrshire on Aug 27, 2011 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Don't we have a special team's coach
And why isn’t he getting any heat for the poor coverage on the OSK?
by MadStork on Aug 27, 2011 5:47 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I’m wondering if we could just trade Hughes and Brown. We already have too many running backs and DE and we need help in other ares. Namely in the secondary.
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by Bronn on May 17, 2011 4:56 PM EDT
I would like that, but Polians haven't heard about trading away players
Is Faulk the last player Polian traded away?
I am not seeing many teams raise their hands for a trade.
Either may have a chance at a pickup if put on waivers which is highly unlikely in my opinion.
Heck,the Jets picked up Aaron Maybin off waivers (11th pick 1st round 2009) from the Bills who is a much bigger bust than Hughes which is hard to do.
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Idea!!
Say if Collins looks awful and Painter looks the same. How about Matt Flynn for Jerry Hughes?
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by arodgb on Aug 28, 2011 12:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
So as a Packer Fan play GM.
Would you pull the string on this deal? I would if I was Polian. As much physical beatings as Roger’s takes (concussions etc.) I doubt the Packers would do this unless they feel that strong about Harrell.
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Nah
No way in HELL TT would do it. Me? Well, no, but it was an idea.
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Didn't get to watch
any of the second half.
But lots of positives. Costanzo is impressing, Freeney was amazing, I liked Sims and Lefeged, Painter looked ok and usually had decent time to throw. Actually, if you add the Wayne and Garcon drops and the obvious pass interference no-call, it was a good night for Painter.
Brown isn’t impressing, but doesn’t matter because Addai, Carter and James all are. Feel much better after this game.
Ray Rychleski, our ST and onside kick recoveries
Texans, let us say are within a FG of the Colts in a tight game, will try the onside kick and we better be prepared in game 1. Here is the root of my concern. The only time I have seen Ray Rychleski be prepared is if he is able to have timeouts in the bag to take one in an OBVIOUS onside kick situation and he started that last year, taking timeouts after seeing onside kick alignment, this one was an obvious onside kick situation (though in pre-season) but he and the players were not prepared.
2009: Lost onside kick recovery to the Seahawks once, won onside kick recovery in the Seahawks game with Tamme batting it out of bound. Then lost onside kick recovery to the Titans in our 27-17 win but foiled several 4th downs for VY. Then lost the infamous onside kick recovery in SB 44. Record was 1-3 on onside kicks
2010: We will however dread the non-obvious cases. Remember, the Colts in last year’s Texans game 1 of the season, McAfee almost recovered a surprise onside kick but Gary Kubiak recognized it before it happened and called timeout based on ST alignment. That is what an alert coach does. Then came the Chiefs game, the Chiefs recovered the opening kickoff onside kick but luckily for us, it had not crossed 10 yards. Again, we were unprepared. We lost the onside kick in the Bengals game and Palmer was sacked thankfully, otherwise we could have lost that game. Then, it dawned on Ray Rychleski to call a timeout before the Jags onside kick, Hagler recovers the onside kick attempt after the Jags game and scores a TD.
Every one of them above is a regular season example, so let us not kid ourselves to thinking that this pre-season stuff won’t happen again.
by chad72 on Aug 27, 2011 9:31 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
You're exactly right....
pre-season (especially the third game) is the time to do things the way you expect to do them during the regular season. In a regular season game that is tied with less than a minute to go any competent staff would expect at least the possibility of the OSK and field the hands team. After all, there’s no down side to having the hands team out there. It’s not like Caldwell has the best track record in these type of situations. He certainly could have used the opportunity to hone his own skills. The chance to practice an OSK in a situation that doesn’t really matter but is still a “real” game against an actual opponent (i.e. not intra-squad scimmage) is rare and should have been taken advantage of. It doesn’t matter of it’s the SuperBowl, the Playoffs, Pre-season or a pick up game, winning is always better than losing.
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by EVLGNUS on Aug 27, 2011 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
All right!
Enough of this. Criticize Painter all you want, but no one is allowed to claim that other veteran QB’s would not have thrown any o those errant passes. We see them every game from EVERY quarterback. It is such a ridiculous statement that is is a shame there is not a filter to prevent it from appearing on the board.
"If they want me to be a crazy, emotional, frenzied fan in section 603, then they can't expect me to be reasonable about the business of football"
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Painter obviously targeted Dallas Clark in game two. Did Green Bay make and effort to take Painter’s comfort safety outlet away and he had enough presence and poise to adjust?
"If they want me to be a crazy, emotional, frenzied fan in section 603, then they can't expect me to be reasonable about the business of football"
Clark did a lot of blocking
They didn’t send him out on routes a lot. He was a decoy and used a lot to increase protection (specifically against Clay Matthews.)
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