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Fourth Guess As To The Colts 2011 53-Man Roster

INDIANAPOLIS, IN - AUGUST 26: Reggie Wayne #87 of the Indianapolis Colts runs down the sideline on a 57-yard touchdown reception during the first half of an NFL preseason game against the Green Bay Packers at Lucas Oil Stadium on August 26, 2011 in Indianapolis, Indiana. (Photo by Joe Robbins/Getty Images)

Last time I made a roster guess, back on Aug. 22nd, I wrote that the Colts would sign a veteran back-up quarterback because... well, how could they not? If management thought Curtis Painter could quarterback this team in a real game, they probably should not be in charge of the front office. Painter is a bad QB. One good quarter against the Packers does not change that.

That said, here is my fourth 'guess' as to what the 53-man roster should be. Mind you, this is who I think should make the team, not who will. Despite the B.S. the Colts feed to us fans, they often do not retain 'the best players.' If a player is a first or second day pick, one is likely to be retained on the roster no matter how bad that person as played.

Is this a dumb way to run a football team? Yes. Unfortunately, ego and pride drive decisions-making in this business, not always objectivity.

QB: Peyton Manning, Kerry Collins

RB: Joseph Addai, Delone Carter, Javarris James, Chad Spann

WR: Reggie Wayne, Pierre Garcon, Austin Collie, T.J. Houshmandzadeh*, David Gilreath

TE: Dallas Clark, Jacob Tamme, Brody Eldridge, Justin Snow

LT: Anthony Castonzo, Michael Toudouze

LG: Joe Reitz, Jacques McClendon

OC: Jeff Saturday, Jake Kirkpatrick

RG: Ryan Diem, Kyle DeVan

RT: Jeff Linkenbach, Ben Ijalana

Defense after jump...

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RE: Dwight Freeney, John Chick, Tyler Brayton

NT: Antonio Johnson, Ricardo Mathews

UT: Fili Moala, Drake Nevis, Tommie Harris

LE: Robert Mathis, Jamaal Anderson

WILL: Ernie Sims, Kavell Conner

MIKE: Gary Brackett, Adrian Moten

SAM: Pat Angerer, Philip Wheeler

CB: Jerraud Powers, Kevin Thomas, Chris Rucker

CB: Justin Tryon, Jacob Lacey, Brandon King

FS: Antoine Bethea

SS: Melvin Bullitt, Joe Lefeged, Mike Newton

P: Pat McAfee

K: Adam Vinatieri

Kick returns are Joe Lefegend. Punt returns are David Gilreath. 

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Why did I cut Donald Brown? Simple, he isn't very good. He hasn't run the ball well in preseason, and for the past two years, he's been outplayed by pretty much everyone else whose played the position. This year, Delone Carter and Javarris James have outplayed him, and Joesph Addai (the man Brown was drafted to replace) is still a better overall player. Keeping Brown is nothing more than a 'pride' move. He's a wasted roster spot.

Why did I cut Jerry Hughes? Same reason as Brown. He's a bust. Also, he's been outplayed by Jamaal Anderson, Tyler Brayton, and even John Chick. So, unless you want one of those guys cut, even though all three are (right now) significantly better than Hughes, the argument for retaining Hughes loses credibility. Last year, Hughes was an utterly useless player. This year, despite playing significant time on defense in preseason, he's logged two games with zero tackles, zero pressures, and zero sacks. They say a player's biggest leap is from year one to year two. Well, Hughes clearly hasn't made much of a leap.

Why did I cut Anthony Gonzalez? Because he's hurt... again. Injured players are useless players, and while Gonzo is a great person, he is a brittle football player. The team is better served signing Houshmandzadeh, and keeping Gilreath as a returner.

Why did I cut Mike Pollak? He isn't a better guard than DeVan, Ijalana, or McClendon as a reserve. Also, he hasn't done much to earn a spot as the back-up center. Kirkpatrick offers potential, and DeVan plays center better than Polak right now.

Why did I cut Blair White? I didn't. I say he lands on P.U.P.

Why did I cut Curtis Painter? Do I seriously need to explain to you why?

What about practice squad? The Colts would be idiots not to sign Ollie Ogbu, John Gill, Mike McNeill, and Chris Brooks to the squad. All have played very well in preseason.

Obviously, I'm no so deluded as to think the Polian Family will admit error and finally jettison their draft failures from 2008-2010, but the reality is they should. The bottom line is winning, not trying to prove critics wrong. Brown, Pollak, Painters, and Hughes are all useless players for the Indianapolis Colts. They've done nothing this preseason, or in seasons past, to warrant a 2011 roster spot.

Thoughts? Ideas? Suggestions?

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3rd QB

I think you really should consider a 3rd QB given Manning’s health status. They may not end the year with 3 QBs, but they should definitely start the year with 3. Other than that, I have no problems.

by fiftycal2004 on Aug 28, 2011 10:06 AM EDT reply actions  

My opinion

They will keep 3 QBs to start the season (Manning, Collins and Painter) and once Manning is healthy again they will cut Collins and Painter will once again be the holder of the clipboard and film study prodigy.

I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.

by AceOfSpades on Aug 28, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

they can sign Painter to the practice squad

no one will pick him up once hes cut, dont worry!

by bigpony on Aug 28, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

I can think of three teams...

…that would pick him up in a heartbeat.

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In the name of the Colts, the Hoosiers, and the Nebraska Cornhuskers. Amen.

by The Learned Hand on Aug 28, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol Rec'd

If at first you don't succeed, quit and watch TV.
In the name of the Colts, the Hoosiers, and the Nebraska Cornhuskers. Amen.

by The Learned Hand on Aug 28, 2011 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Painter

If he does what they say he does (research and help P gameplan against other teams) they would not be able to get away with paying him a PS salary. If Collins stays with the team then I think Painter would be cut or they keep 3 all season.

I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.

by AceOfSpades on Aug 28, 2011 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he's played too many games.

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by ISN on Aug 29, 2011 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

This. I realize the Colts have carried 2 QB’s for a while now but even once Manning is healthy they would have a QB coming off injury being backed up by a QB who is injury prone. That doesn’t bode well.

by Aaron Go Bragh on Aug 28, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I still say we keep hughes another year…but as for the others Im right with you. I would hate to seem them keep brown as our second back because he has never been impressive I have never been a fan of the guy. Every other RB on our roster this preseason has outplayed him and to me I think Delone Carter may be our best RB by the end of the year

by Louie Gleixner on Aug 28, 2011 10:12 AM EDT reply actions  

I agree with most of what you say but I still think Hughes should get another year to develop. Let him have some game action with the starters. If you remember the most recent games, the packers had max protect schemes for most of their passes and, as you know, it’s very difficult to get to the QB as a speed rusher when you’re getting chipped.

As much as I hate to say it, they need to cut Gonzo and Brown. They’ve been injured and had enough time to show that they aren’t acceptable options for the future. Once you get to your third year, you need to be making an impact. Unfortunately, I feel Pollack will get kept because when Diem went out, Pollack was the next man up.

by torridphenix on Aug 28, 2011 10:48 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I agree with you

Delone Carter is a beast. But Addai impressed me against the Packers. I love the combination of the two.

BOOM BABY

by PacerFan317 on Aug 28, 2011 11:39 AM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

You cut Gonzo and Hughes, but leave King, Mathews, Brayton. Be consistent.

Mathews has a lot of ability, but his technic is poor and is most likely the 6th DT on depth chart.

Brayton has no value. Team can not allow to carry two DEs who are only good against the run.

10 OL too much. 6 LB not enough. As times goes by, it is less likely a veteran WR will be signed. Don’t see much of a chance for Spann, Gilreath. Most likely PS for both.

by Ty46 on Aug 28, 2011 10:16 AM EDT reply actions  

Agree about Mathews and Spann

Also, I haven’t really noticed Rucker at all in preseason games, but has he played himself onto the roster, are you all just giving him the benefit of the doubt because CB is a thin (literally) position on this team, or giving the the benefit because he was drafted?

I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.

by AceOfSpades on Aug 28, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rucker had a good game and then got injured

He might not make it, but the whole CB group sucks the same way. Not only Lacey.

by Ty46 on Aug 28, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Tryon?

I think he’s one of our best options, but I’ve heard little about him recently. Injured?

by CoolJohnnieBNasty on Aug 28, 2011 1:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

These board will melt

if Painter is cut, Manning can’t play, and Collins tanks. Cut Carter, keep Hughes, and cut Spann.

"If they want me to be a crazy, emotional, frenzied fan in section 603, then they can't expect me to be reasonable about the business of football"

by indylator on Aug 28, 2011 10:17 AM EDT reply actions  

Error! Cut me!

Cut Carter, keep Hughes, and cut Spann.

"If they want me to be a crazy, emotional, frenzied fan in section 603, then they can't expect me to be reasonable about the business of football"

by indylator on Aug 28, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Gonzo

If Gonzo is unable to play by Week 2 or suffers another injury similar to a hamstring or other minor injury, he should probably be released and the team should consider a veteran WR like Housh. I hope Gonzo can contribute because this is a make or break season for him, but I don’t see how the FO can have any patience left with him.

I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.

by AceOfSpades on Aug 28, 2011 10:36 AM EDT reply actions  

I abstain

I’m whimping out with one additional comment. I think we are loaded with more talent than most years and this will be incredibly difficult. Regardless of the decisions made it will be a great season for the Colts.

"If they want me to be a crazy, emotional, frenzied fan in section 603, then they can't expect me to be reasonable about the business of football"

by indylator on Aug 28, 2011 10:37 AM EDT reply actions  

Loaded with more talent?

The offensive line has more potential than in recent years, but it’s dependent upon 2 rookie tackles developing.

The offensive skill positions seem to be about the same as most years. There’s a bit more concern regarding WRs, but the RB and TE groups seem a little deeper.

On the defense, the line has more talent than I recall since Polian came to town. The LBs look pretty solid as well. And if Brackett suffers an injury, Angerer slips over to MLB and Wheeler steps into SAM, and I don’t think we lose much at all.

But the defensive backfield concerns me greatly. These aren’t guys who would start (or make) many teams. Bethea and Powers are really good players. Bullitt is a serviceable safety whom I would like as my 3rd safety but not as a starter. I’m not happy with any of the other corners being in the top 3 – and with all the plays run out of 11 formation, we really need 3 good corners.

by Voice of the Profit on Aug 29, 2011 7:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why do you even bother calling it a guess?

I know you despise certain players and think that others are busts and should go. The problem is, Pollack, Painter, Gonzalez, Brown and Hughes are almost a lock for the roster. I agree a point can be made for each one of them not to be on it. Title the article as a roster you think the Colts should go into the season with.

You continue to lose credibility when you do crap like this. You ignore reality and say your way is the only way and Polian is an idiot because your views don’t coincide. Look at the roster and analyze it. Give your opinion on players and make an honest effort to speculate or call the article what it is bias and all. This crap just really gets old and drags down a site that provides good Colts news and discussion among fans.

by strandedincarolina on Aug 28, 2011 10:44 AM EDT reply actions  

Seriously

Knock off the stupid ‘you continue to lose credibility’ bullshit. It really makes you sound like a self-centered fool. My credibility is just fine, and me posting my guess (aka, my opinion) on the 53-man roster is not going to damage it. In fact, based on responses here and on Twitter, lots of people like it.

So, again, just because an opinion doesn’t agree with yours doesn’t mean the person loses credibility. The only people who become less credible are the ones who say ’you’ll lose credibility if you think THAT.’

If I see a statement like that from you again, comment goes away. I’m in no mood to deal with silliness today over roster predictions.

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by Brad Wells on Aug 28, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Classy....

Well played BBS, well played…..strandedincarolina, he just proved your point…

by Derek Saylor on Aug 29, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

agree with all except...

1. I think you gotta keep 3 QB’s at least until Manning is 100%. 2. I dont think you drop Brown just yet. He just needs a good o-line to run behind to reach his potential and we havnt had that since we won the superbowl.

by dylanlb6 on Aug 28, 2011 11:00 AM EDT reply actions  

Just gonna answer a few general things here

1) It’s silly to suggest I ‘hate’ Donald Brown or Jerry Hughes. Come on. Let’s grow up just a bit. These guys simply aren’t good football players. They haven’t ‘earned’ a spot on this roster. Saying that (which is a pretty universal truth) is not ‘hating’ them. Sheesh people.

2) The Colts cannot afford to keep Manning, Collins, and Painter. That’s way too much cap money invested in two players who likely won’t play. If Manning is healthy, he will play and Collins will back him up. Collins is making $4 mill this year, and is proven. Painter is just… well, he’s Painter. Keeping him is a waste. I’d rather keep Dan Orlovsky than Painter.

3) I’m personally not interested in ‘developing’ players like Jerry Hughes. The Colts window is rapidly closing. They must win NOW! Players can ‘develop’ when Peyton retires. Right now, the Colts need people who have already developed and can win now.

4) Yes, Chad Spann has outplayed Donald Brown. I’ve watched them both. Spann offers more, and he can return kicks.

5) Brandon King is there because I think they’ve keep him for versatility. He can play CB and FS.

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by Brad Wells on Aug 28, 2011 11:15 AM EDT reply actions  

Can't believe you said you'd rather keep Orlavsky

I’m also in disbelief over the 2 year $14M contract Collins got. I think it’s worth noting that he should be cut because it’s disgusting: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d821c3150/article/now-thats-relief-collins-deal-with-colts-for-two-years-14m

"It's about the journey--mine and yours--and the lives we can touch, the legacy we can leave, and the world we can change for the better."
— Tony Dungy

by Mark Olson on Aug 28, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

5. The fact, that after being average at CB the Colts moved him to FS doesn’t mean, he can play both. Looks like he can’t play either of them.

by Ty46 on Aug 28, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Brown's blocking has really improved...

and for that reason alone they need to keep him, at least for now.

I would say his blocking against the Packers was not just good, but Excellent. And that’s a huge stride for him, because that’s what was disappointing in the past.

I didn’t like his runs, but they weren’t in optimal situations and the sample size was small. Let’s see what he can do in more extended action.

Obviously, with the Carter pick and the Addai extension, the writing is on the wall for him. So I’m not saying to be extra patient. But his effort in the blocking department indicates to me that he’s working hard to improve, knows his job is on the line, and that that could be a valuable thing for us. Remember, Addai is kind of brittle too. There’ll come a time when we want an experienced back that can be trusted to pass protect. Carter is not that yet, and neither is Spann.

by willyduer on Aug 28, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

imho

Overall looks good, I would keep brown and evans instead of james and spann. I also think terrence johnson has outplayed rucker and king. Deserves a chance at atleast the ps.

by tenaytiousd32 on Aug 28, 2011 11:16 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

What?

How can you say that! By stating Johnson has outplayed Rucker and Thomas, YOU LOSE CREDIBILITY!
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See? That’s how stupid the ‘you lose credibility’ thing sounds. i disagree 100% with tenaytious32’s opinion, but that doesn’t mean he or she has lost ‘credibility.’ Just a friggin opinion. Relax everyone.

FYI: My neighborhood was not that damaged by Irene. Lots of NYC is flooded though, but overall Irene was not as bad as they thought (which is a good thing).

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by Brad Wells on Aug 28, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Yeah, New York got lucky.

My folks have been through about 10 hurricanes, mostly 2s or 3s.

"Cat in the wall, eh? Ok, now you're talking my language. I know this game."
-Charlie

by Addai Another Aday on Aug 28, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're dilusional

I’m am so glad you are not running this team… Yes you need to explain yourself on Painter. Kerry Collins has not proven he has the ability to run the offense or throw the ball. He has as nearly as many interceptions as touchdowns over his career and hasn’t proved he can QB without an effective running game. Painter had a very strong showing when finally given a game plan and some decent receivers. He also posted these numbers against one of the top defenses in the league.

Brown has not been awful this preseason. He’s been just okay. Last year he proved he can run well in the feature back role. Just like with Hughes, he’s not a top 10 draft pick. You need to stop acting as if these guys were picked #1 overall. Yes they should be producing more, but they’ve shown some flash in preseason.

If Hughes does not a starting caliber DE (as in top 64) by the end of the year, don’t even bother bringing him back. I still think he needs time. He has the physical tools and the talent, you have to wait and see on players like this.

I think your frustrations are clouding your judgment on how these players are actually performing. Why the heck do you think Justin Snow will make the roster? Mike McNeill has looked really good as a Tamme/Clark type WR. I’m not sure I understand that one.

You have to have 3 QBs. With the new rule allowing 3rd string QBs have their own roster spot, there is no way the Colts keep only 2 QBs on the roster. It’s finally time there is a backup for the backup. Having two QBs that are closer to 40 than 30 is a recipe for disaster.

Again, I think your judgment is clouded by the idea that you want to prove the current front office has been ineffective. I don’t necessarily disagree with that, but evaluate talent and not how a player has performed compared to their draft selection. Also, looking back, has Painter really given an ample opportunity to prove his worth up until the Packers game? He’s been bad in limited time, but the Packers start seems to be his first real opportunity.

"It's about the journey--mine and yours--and the lives we can touch, the legacy we can leave, and the world we can change for the better."
— Tony Dungy

by Mark Olson on Aug 28, 2011 11:24 AM EDT reply actions  

Sorry for the dilusional comment

I do think you’re clearly frustrated though and in my opinion, some of the players brought in by the front office aren’t getting a true shot in your post. I’m frustrated too somewhat, but it goes back the ‘it is what it is’. I don’t have a problem with your criticism. I have a problem when your frustrations come out in your analysis.

God give me the “grace” to accept things I cannot change

give me the “courage” to change the things I can change

and the “wisdom” to know the difference.

"It's about the journey--mine and yours--and the lives we can touch, the legacy we can leave, and the world we can change for the better."
— Tony Dungy

by Mark Olson on Aug 28, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

'Sorry for the dilusional comment'

It’s OK.

Dude, I’m just writing down what I think it should be. I honestly have no idea what it will be, and I often grow tired of trying to determine what the Polians will be. I’m also not so deluded as to think I can magically change the way they think or do business.

Can I influence them or pressure them? Yes. But, in the end, they make the call, and the team sinks or swims with those calls.

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by Brad Wells on Aug 28, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Don't sweat it

BBS, you’re letting a bunch of cats with a computer piss you off. You gotta let that bounce off. Can’t you picture some of them, I can. Balding, fat, eating chips and greasing up the keyboard. Lol! Don’t even sweat it. And as far as credibility, who cares? Credible to who, and credible for what? Your not a GM, you don’t have to worry about how credible you are. The bottom line is that this is a blog. I visit hear frequently (don’t post much) because it’s the best place on the net to get the Colts scoop as soon as it happens. Often I disagree with you, often I disagree with a lot of the guys down here, but who cares. Opinions don’t mean shit, mine, other commenters, or yours. Just keep doing the great job your doing getting us the 411. Peace!

"Winning isn't everything, but it beats anything that comes in second."

--Paul "Bear" Bryant

by BigBlackRichard on Aug 28, 2011 1:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I DRIVE A DODGE STRATUS!!!

"It's about the journey--mine and yours--and the lives we can touch, the legacy we can leave, and the world we can change for the better."
— Tony Dungy

by Mark Olson on Aug 28, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I take exception to this but.........

this is truly a funny post

"If they want me to be a crazy, emotional, frenzied fan in section 603, then they can't expect me to be reasonable about the business of football"

by indylator on Aug 28, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Duh

I lost credibility there…

"It's about the journey--mine and yours--and the lives we can touch, the legacy we can leave, and the world we can change for the better."
— Tony Dungy

by Mark Olson on Aug 28, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

I couldn't place the name

I knew I’d heard it before, but I was connecting him with one of the TEs from last year that played when Tamme was hurt. My bad guys…

"It's about the journey--mine and yours--and the lives we can touch, the legacy we can leave, and the world we can change for the better."
— Tony Dungy

by Mark Olson on Aug 28, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Painter will probably remain on roster. And should.

Given an opportunity to work with the 1’s and the first time he was given a full gameplan, against the defending Super Bowl champs, I don’t think he did too badly. Sure, he still showed some nervousness (wonder why?) and had some bad throws (who doesn’t?) but overally he led the team for two scores in the first half.

The Colts have invested too much time in him to this point to now dump him at the start of a season inwhich Manning is coming off a surgery and we’re not sure how (or if) Collins has anything left in the tank. CP will remain as #2 behind Peyton until Collins has a better “feel” for the playbook. To do anything other than that for this season would be tantamount to football suicide.

Curtis will slide to #3 after Collins gets a better feel for the playbooke, and that’s likely where he’ll remain until the season is over, barring injuries. BBS just doesn’t like CP because he’s a Boilermaker. LOL

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by BoilerMacR on Aug 28, 2011 11:36 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Hey, BBS

I would be interested to see a prediction about who will make the team.

by TrueColtsFan on Aug 28, 2011 11:40 AM EDT via iPhone app reply actions  

I honestly have no idea

Seriously, I don’t like making guesses that try to read the minds of the Polians. I think it’s better to just write who I think should make it. More honest that way.

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by Brad Wells on Aug 28, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

credibility fail

Ok….no way pollak should make this team. May I have my credibility back now…..please..lmao
And btw I also think we’re missing out on marshall williams due to signing late and not learning the playbook fast enough.

by tenaytiousd32 on Aug 28, 2011 11:51 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

lol

No credibility lost. Thus, none needs returning.

And regarding T Johnson, I haven’t focused on him much. I like what I’ve seen from Thomas and Rucker, though.

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by Brad Wells on Aug 28, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with BBS

Watching Brown gives me a headache. Imo, he is the worst back we have. I would rather have Spann or James on the roster.

BOOM BABY

by PacerFan317 on Aug 28, 2011 11:55 AM EDT via iPhone app reply actions  

What about Brooks?

I think that he would make a good replacement for Garcon if he went down with an injury. The guy has shown good speed and route running. His hands were nice on that back shoulder fade that painter threw.

"It's about the journey--mine and yours--and the lives we can touch, the legacy we can leave, and the world we can change for the better."
— Tony Dungy

by Mark Olson on Aug 28, 2011 11:55 AM EDT reply actions  

Seems like 'credibility' is the buzz word for the day. lol

I’m gonna make sure I never attack anyone’s credibility. With that said, I predict the Colts keep three quarterbacks on the roster.

by Ayrshire on Aug 28, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

One play

It is one play, to be honest. Brandon James caught 3 TDs to make a case in pre-season game 4 and he was still cut. I would say yes if not for having 2 good receiving TEs on the roster in Clark and Tamme. Now that we know Tamme can bring it, having a 5th WR except for ST reasons (Blair White as punt returner last year, Gilreath as punt returner this year) would not give them enough looks. Put Brooks on PS and let him develop more, and in the case of an injury, make him active.

by chad72 on Aug 28, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can see him on the PS

but he had more than one play. He had another nice catch during the game that was a timing route. The guy has the things the Colts like in young receivers from what I’ve seen. Good routes and hands. He’s pretty speedy too.

"It's about the journey--mine and yours--and the lives we can touch, the legacy we can leave, and the world we can change for the better."
— Tony Dungy

by Mark Olson on Aug 28, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, maybe next year

Remember, Garcon, Wayne and Gonzo are all in their contract years. Developing Blair white and Brooks could be a good thing on the PS if 2 of the above 3 were to leave or be cut. The key is, all the above 3 have put in work with Peyton and that will matter come regular season.

by chad72 on Aug 28, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

but BBS and injuryexpert both seem to think Gonzo will be cut. White will probably be on PUP and Collie could end up there as well. I’m not sure who you pull in to play the 4th/5th WR

"It's about the journey--mine and yours--and the lives we can touch, the legacy we can leave, and the world we can change for the better."
— Tony Dungy

by Mark Olson on Aug 28, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Collie did not play pre-season game 3 vs Packers last year too

What is forgotten by BBS and other folks is that Collie did not play pre-season game 3 vs Packers that we lost 59-24 at Green Bay last year. Then, he came back and was having one heck of a regular season, I wouldn’t overreact like BBS to Collie’s injury. Gonzo, maybe, but not Collie. Besides, did anyone see Eldridge block on that run play that Linkenbach got credit for. Eldridge pummeled Clay Mathews back and once he let go Linkenbach latched on to him, so Eldridge should get major credit for that run play with Linkenbach just following through.

Having Collie and Clark is the key to Manning work the seams. Plus, it is a health benefit to Collie too. Once Clark went down, that is when Collie’s concussions happened. Nobody was going to double team Tamme down the seam but Clark, heck yeah!!! I am not worried about Collie personally

by chad72 on Aug 28, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Re: Collie

I have been saying this all offseason too. Collie started taking some of those routes that Clark used to take, and since Clark wasn’t there to grab attention from DBs and Safeties, Collie was like a sitting duck over the middle and seam routes.

I feel good about Collie’s health status this season as well (at least concussions) and think he will be a stud.

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by AceOfSpades on Aug 28, 2011 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

What IS the Gonzo injury status?

I just assumed they were being safe with him in pre-season and he would start game 1. Look what happened to Arian Foster playing with his “lingering” hamstring injury.

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by indylator on Aug 28, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hamstring

He hasn’t been doing anything in practice either which means it’s probably not just getting him ready for the season.

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by Mark Olson on Aug 28, 2011 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think that

BBS is saying that Gonzo will be cut; he’s saying he should be cut.

by Ayrshire on Aug 28, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Gonzo ends on PUP...

…I can see Brooks starting on the 53 man roster.

by chad72 on Aug 28, 2011 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, I forgot...

…Gonzo cannot be on PUP since he played in pre-season

by chad72 on Aug 28, 2011 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

not a bad assessment BBS

I like your top 53, but we both know Hughes and Brown will be on the roster…probably Pollak too. I wouldnt say they deserve to be cut, but theyve definitely been outplayed by their backups this preseason. Lets hope they can step it up and actually be productive this year!!

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by bigpony on Aug 28, 2011 11:57 AM EDT reply actions  

I've been rooting for Hughes

I want to him to flourish. However, I am getting frustrated. I have preferred the “he needs more time” mindset, but, he as gotten outplayed again this preseason. I will try to hold on a little longer.

by jackj7 on Aug 28, 2011 12:29 PM EDT reply actions  

I liked the list

With the exception of Touduze, who is a stiff that can be bull rushed every play. Agree on the fact that we need many DL. We need special alignments against the run & pass to protect Freeney’s and Mathis’ health and careers. I’d wait until the trade deadline and send Brown, Gonzo and Hughes to NFC teams and obtain something for them, if they failed to perform. The aggressive wheeling ’n dealing have the Eagles and the Patriots with lots of picks every year.

by BertramJone on Aug 28, 2011 12:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Agree with everything but Donald Brown.

Painter gets one more preseason chance at some kind of consistency too. Brown showed me some real potential last year, and has improved his pass protection big time so far as I can see. But, I’ll be more sure after the last preseason game.

by tim55 on Aug 28, 2011 12:34 PM EDT reply actions  

cut brown??

he is better than james nd span nd evans do u remember the crucial catch he made againsty N.E? pull that highlight up he easily has the best hands out the backfield now hughes i wont defend him

by NewYork ColtsFan 9212 on Aug 28, 2011 12:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Painter will be the 3rd quarterback

they will keep him much to evreyone’s dismay,, and they are not going to cut Donald Brown, too much invested in him, and when are they signing Housh??? also I assume one of the FS can play strong safety, cause Bethea will be ready for the opener, but a lot of time hamstring injuries tend to recur, would like to see a vetran SS signed to back up Bethea

by OBGYNOSUPREME on Aug 28, 2011 12:42 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

There is

absolutely no reason to keep Michael Toudouze. He gets cut every year and resigned off the street.

by bobferg on Aug 28, 2011 12:43 PM EDT reply actions  

My guess

QBs: Manning, Collins, Painter (3)
 
RBs: Addai, Brown, Carter, James (4) due to good ST play and goal line experience last year. I would love to put Evans here and take Brown off but I think the Colts will keep Brown.
 
WRs: Wayne, Garcon, Collie, Gonzo, Gilreath(5), Blair White to IR
 
TE: Clark, Eldridge, Tamme (3)
 
OL: Castonzo, Link, Ijalana, Diem, Reitz, Saturday, Pollak, DeVan, McClendon (9)
 
DE: Freeney, Mathis, Anderson, Hughes, Brayton (5)
 
DT: Johnson, Foster, Moala, Harris, Matthews, Nevis (6)
 
LB: Simms, Angerer, Brackett, Conner, Wheeler, Moten (6)
 
CB: Powers, Lacey, Tryon, Thomas, Rucker (5)
 
S: Bullitt, Bethea, Caldwell/Newton, Lefeged (4)
 
K: Vinatieri (1)
 
P: McAfee (1)
 
LS: Snow (1)

by chad72 on Aug 28, 2011 12:58 PM EDT reply actions  

looks pretty good...

but i wonder if 6 d-tackles is too many? I dont see many special teams contributors in this current roster, we might need to drop a DT (even though they all deserve a roster spot) and keep an extra WR RB or LB

Cutting Painter frees up a much-needed roster spot too!

by bigpony on Aug 28, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mathews or one of Anderson/Brayton

Either Ricardo Mathews or one of Anderson/Brayton is let go on the D-line and both Mike Newton & David Caldwell make the roster as safeties thus giving us an extra ST contributor.

by chad72 on Aug 28, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

looks like newtons not making it

by omahacolt on Aug 28, 2011 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you need Snow on there.

He’s one of the best long-snappers in the league.

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by Addai Another Aday on Aug 28, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

He is in at the bottom

He is in at the bottom as LS :)

by chad72 on Aug 28, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Duh.

Sorry.

/facepalm

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by Addai Another Aday on Aug 28, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

More confident in front office.

I think a good case can be made to cut Donald Brown – he doesn’t look like he has the power or shiftiness or durability to run at this level consistently. On the otherhand, he is the second most prepared back in terms of blitz pickup and he is a proven pass catcher. Personally, I think they will keep him to backup Addai for one more year. And, unless he shows substantial growth as a runner, this will be the last year because Carter clearly is a better runner (but is not ready to serve as Manning’s bodyguard just yet). I also think they will keep Hughes, not to protect Polian’s considerable ego, but because he has more upside potential than John Chick. Could Hughes get cut? Yes. But, if you look at the quality of guys we now have on the D-line, we can keep Hughes another year and try to find how he fits (standup rusher?). They can cut Chick and recall him in a month if someone gets hurt. If they cut Hughes, he will absolutely be taken by someone else. Too much potential. I agree that Gonzalez has probably run out of time, in spite of the fact that he is close with Manning. They just can’t risk going into the season with two guys – Collie and Gonzalez – that are high injury risks. One of them is going to get cut, and Collie is not going anywhere. As for T.J. Houshmandzadah, I think that ship sailed as soon as the Colts wrote the big check for Collins. I think that Chris Brooks has the done enough to win the 4th spot. I think the Colts have wanted a bigger receiver for a long time and think that Brooks can do the job. I agree that they will want to keep Galreath as the 5th/punt returner unless injuries force them to do otherwise. I think they would like to find a way to keep Blair White, on PUP if possible. As for Painter, he’s our 3rd QB, so just deal with it.

by MichColtFan on Aug 28, 2011 1:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Carter will be No.2 by the end of the year

Once Carter gets the blitz pickups mastered down, he will be No.2 come playoff time, if we make the playoffs.

by chad72 on Aug 28, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Collins

Did they really give him $14 million for two seasons? How on God’s earth does that help us win a championship. Now we have nothing except $30 million in quarterback position and (with Collins in) the worst quarterback in the division. These guys are retards.

by Caesar18 on Aug 28, 2011 1:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Maybe

It’s 4 mil guaranteed this season then base salary of 10 mil next season.

Guess who won’t be on the team next year unless we just gotta have ’em? So, yes, it is 14 mil for two years but the chance of him making the team next year is nill.

by ActionOxford on Aug 28, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't see it

What gets people so excited about Kerry Collins? And what is the body of work we’re judging CP off of? There isn’t a lot there to see how Painter has done. Collins is an interception waiting to happen on our offense. He makes a lot of bad reads…

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by Mark Olson on Aug 28, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've taken exception to the CP bashing and think he deserves time to prove...

….such an assessment wrong, but based upon game two, they had to sign someone.

Given that he has not played a snap as Colts center the level of some of the support expressed for Collins is silly, but I take it as homers looking for a bright lining. And I am a huge fan of homerism and silly optimism.

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by indylator on Aug 28, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree that they had to sign someone

I’m just a big fan of having the open competition, especially when we don’t know what KC will do.

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by Mark Olson on Aug 28, 2011 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let's be real...

Polian isn’t going to cut all of D. Brown, Hughes, and Pollak. Maybe one, but I guarantee you he has too much pride to get rid of all three of some of his recent top draft picks. So if this is what YOU think it should be, then fine. However, to call this a prediction is laughable, because it’s NOT going to happen.

by FreeneyTime93 on Aug 28, 2011 2:53 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree.

He definitely won’t cut someone he drafted in the first round, in my opinion. If he did, it would be the first time it ever happened. I think his ego is much too large for that. Second rounder,…..perhaps.

by Ayrshire on Aug 28, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

from Phil Wilson

pwilson24 Phillip B Wilson
#Colts roster cuts today: J. Beekman, C. Bender, J. Horn, D. Moore, C. Vaughn, M. Hartline. Also waive/injured LB Cody Glenn, S Mike Newton.

by codrutc on Aug 28, 2011 4:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Hughes and Brown will not be cut!

If think they will you are nuts the soonest they will be cut is next year. Pollack should of been cut last year and we will be rid of this failure this week.

by dave1251 on Aug 28, 2011 4:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Not happening !!!!!

No way Brown or Hughes are cut simply because its too early to call them busts as for Gonzo at this point its just rediculous how easily he falls apart so as much as it pains me to say it; its 50-50 that he is a Colt this season.

by Joshua Hill on Aug 28, 2011 9:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Houshmandzadeh

I really like Housh, but do you think there is still room both on the roster and in the wallet for Housh? BBS what do you think?

by Joshua Hill on Aug 28, 2011 10:03 PM EDT reply actions  

I wish we could get Chase Daniels as backup QB

He’s been impressive last and this year in preseason games. He will likely be traded like Kevin Kolb or, if not, get a lucrative deal in free agency.

by codrutc on Aug 29, 2011 1:57 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I wish we could get Chase Daniels as backup QB

He’s been impressive last and this year in preseason games. He will likely be traded like Kevin Kolb or, if not, get a lucrative deal in free agency.

by codrutc on Aug 29, 2011 1:57 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Blair White

So Blair has been out all pre season. Does anyone have any details on his injury? With even a possibility of returning?

by lesismor191925 on Aug 29, 2011 2:38 AM EDT reply actions  

Here's mine

Offense (23)

QB: Peyton Manning, Curtis Painter, Kerry Collins
RB: Joseph Addai, Delone Carter, Donald Brown
WR: Reggie Wayne, Pierre Garcon, Austin Collie, Anthony Gonzalez, David Gilreath
TE: Dallas Clark, Jacob Tamme, Brody Eldridge
LT: Anthony Castonzo
LG: Joe Reitz, Jacques McClendon
OC: Jeff Saturday, Jake Kirkpatrick
RG: Ryan Diem, Mike Pollack
RT: Jeff Linkenbach, Ben Ijalana

Defense (27)

RE: Dwight Freeney, John Chick, Jerry Hughes
NT: Antonio Johnson, Ricardo Mathews, Tommie Harris
UT: Fili Moala, Drake Nevis, Eric Foster
LE: Robert Mathis, Jamaal Anderson
WILL: Kavell Conner, Ernie Sims
MIKE: Gary Brackett, Adrian Moten
SAM: Pat Angerer, Philip Wheeler
CB: Jerraud Powers, Kevin Thomas, Chris Rucker
CB: Justin Tryon, Jacob Lacey
FS: Antoine Bethea, David Caldwell, Al Afalava
SS: Melvin Bullitt, Joe Lefeged

Special Teams (3)

P: Pat McAfee
K: Adam Vinatieri
H: Justin Snow

  • I kept 3 QBs and only 3 RBs due to the Mannining situation. As soon as Manning is playing and out of danger of missing time, Collins gets cut and a RB gets added.
  • Hughes got kept because of the absolute necessity for pass-rushers in our system. He’s on thin ice though, because Chick outperformed him in the games so far.
  • Foster – I couldn’t ring myself to cut him. He and Anderson will be the “big” DEs for use against running teams, and he can be used in the DT rotation against passing teams.

*Practice squad: RBs Evans and Spann, WR Brooks, FA QB and CB, TE McNeill, LB Colasanti, and DT Ogbu (don’t need another DT, but he’s good!)

by Hetfield on Aug 29, 2011 8:17 AM EDT reply actions  

Brooks?

Am i the only that sees chris brooks as a threat to make the roster. I saw good things from him friday night and thought he saw just as much field time if not more than gilreath. I think they both have a shot if Gonzo stays hurt. I am not sure we have the money after the collins deal to bring on a guy like Housh

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by TENACIOUSDB7 on Aug 29, 2011 12:16 PM EDT reply actions  

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