Players Rising And Falling Entering Fourth And Final Colts Preseason Game Of 2011
The fourth and final preseason game for the Colts is usually a worthless, meaningless endeavor that Indy normally just wants to get over with as quickly as possible. Even if healthy, Peyton Manning never plays the fourth preseason game. Dwight Freeney won't play. Robert Mathis won't play. I don't even think Dallas Clark will play.
However, unlike previous years, several first unit players on offense might play in order to help newly signed quarterback Kerry Collins get some reps. Should Manning not go Week One against the Texans, Collins will get the start.
That said, here are my risers and fallers as we enter the final game of the 2011 preseason. Please keep in mind, these are players who have improved or regressed throughout preseason.
Risers
Javarris James
I really thought he had no chance to make the 53-man roster. Now, I'll be upset if he doesn't. Baby J looked excellent in camp, and he has played extremely well in preseason both as a runner and as a special teams player. It's pretty clear that, from year one to year two, James had made a leap. Against the Packers, he had a nice run in the second half that showcased a new ability to turn the corner and get up field quickly. He's also improved his pass catching skills. Baby J is nowhere near as good as his famous cousin, Edgerrin James, but he has developed into a decent back.
Anthony Castonzo
He came into training camp and immediately got schooled by Dwight Freeney. Since then, he's gotten better and better each week. Against a very impressive Green Bay pass rush, I did not see any pressure come from the left side. Castonzo still is a work-in-progress as a run blocker, but as a pass blocker he has exceptional talent and intelligence. He reminds me a great deal of Will Wolford, who is now a radio analyst for the Colts.
Kevin Thomas
He isn't ready to start, nor is he even ready to play nickel, but I have been pleased with the steady improvement of Kevin Thomas, who missed all of last year with a knee injury. As you may recall, I absolutely bashed the hell out of this draft selection back in 2010. Thomas was an injury prone nobody out of USC, and in his first practice with the Colts... he got hurt! However, from camp to now, I've watched him grow. He is improving his coverage skills, and I've seen him stick a few backs on run plays. Slow and steady is his development, and it's been mostly positive. He should play a great deal against the Bengals.
Fallers
Donald Brown
This FanPost on Brown's lack of field vision is an excellent read, and it might explain why Brown has struggled. He played very well in the first preseason game against the Rams, and since then it has down hill. Phil Wilson has all but given up on him, proclaiming Delone Crarter the back-up RB behind Joseph Addai. This is a big year for Donald Brown. Though unlikely to happen, I personally would not be surprised if he does not survive cutdown day. Carter, James, and Chad Spann have outplayed him, and with Dominic Rhodes sitting out there, it might make sense to give up on the 2009 draft bust.
Jerry Hughes
I written so much on Hughes it is starting to feel like piling it on. Bottom line, he's played a ton of snaps in preseason, yet he has two games with zero tackles, zero sacks, and zero pressures. Not good.
Anthony Gonzalez
Will Carroll and I agree, if Gonzo is not healthy in time for the Bengals game Friday, the Colts will cut him and his NFL career will likely be over. Gonzo is a cool dude and a man of integrity, but he is also a brittle football player. He needed to stay 100% healthy this preseason to warrant a roster spot. He hasn't done that.
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Agree 100 %
Time to cut loose all these injured guys who take roster space. There should be good players on the waiver wires. Jim Irsay said as much this morning in a tweet.
You really can't argue any of it.
I would like to add Moten and Lefeged to the risers list. Both have shown improvement and potential. I’d be disappointed if they didn’t make it. I’d also put Gilreath and Brooks on here. I think both improved. One will make the roster while the other hopefully is on the PS.
by strandedincarolina on Aug 29, 2011 1:16 PM EDT reply actions
I agree...
They are not going to get released so get over it.
by VERNON HOWELL on Aug 29, 2011 2:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Surprise
Just by reading the title and knowing who wrote the article I could have guessed who the fallers were…SURPRISE!
by ColtBeerHere on Aug 29, 2011 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Drake Nevis
He’s a Beast. Should be in the risers column. Between Nevis and Harris I think we see a totally different D line this year.
by YourMyBoyBlue211 on Aug 29, 2011 1:20 PM EDT reply actions
Safety named Sanders released from Pats.
If he’s healthy we should bring him in for a look see. Wire said he started all last year and could cover. Sounds like someone we need.
At first glance, I thought this was going to be about Bob.
"We want the ball and we're gonna score" Future HOFer Matt Hasselbeck, Matt Williamson's 31st rated NFL QB
james sanders??
hes average, but that would probably be an upgrade over some of our safeties!
Yes
He had 17 tackles and 3 ints. in the Pats last 4 games in 2010. It said he was hurt most of pre-season but played in last game but not good enough to keep evidently. Worth a look.
by MrBoJangles46 on Aug 29, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
i heard he only started 9 games last year
nevertheless, still worth a look.
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by It'sAlways18 on Aug 29, 2011 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Gonzo
Agreed. Cut him loose and bring in TJ or Moss. Preferably Moss.
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by coldy4goldy on Aug 29, 2011 1:59 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Carter not ready to supplaint Brown; Hughes too much potential
Only way Brown gets cut is if they think James has progressed far enough to be the 2nd back after Addai. Carter has wonderful potential but is not yet ready to take on the large blocking responsibilities to protect QB from blitzes. Hughes has too much potential to cut this soon if the alternative is to keep Chick, for example. Better to cut Chick, who can pass waivers to PS, if needed, than to waive Hughes, who someone is going to take. We have enough D-line talent to not need Hughes right away. And, if Freeney or Mathis get nicked, Hughes can step in and we can really see if he can do this job or not.
Why not just trade Brown
He does have potential, but ultimately we are a horrible running team no matter who has been in the backfield that last few years. Perhaps we can get a mid-round pick back out of him. Obviously there will be some CAP hit, but so be it.
by ColtsFanatic07 on Aug 29, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Keep Gilreath and Brooks, even White, over Gonzalez
White was at least productive and stayed on the field last year. Gilreath is explosive on returns. And, we should have learned that we need to keep several guys who can return, not just one guy, so that the return game doesn’t evaporate by a single injury. Brooks has potential as the bigger receiver we have needed forever. Gonzalez, even when health, doesn’t do anything that Collie can’t do better.
I haven't caught up on all the conversation
Is it a foregone conclusion that Kerry Collins will get the start if Manning can’t go in game 1?
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
Polian has said as much
But Caldwell supposedly has the final decision should Peyton not be ready to go.
by LeftNutForAStarCenter on Aug 29, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
If Pey can't go
Colt Nation would revolt if he starts CP, cannot do that at Houston with their pass rush, would be a disaster
by OBGYNOSUPREME on Aug 29, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Okay, then
This coming 4th preseason game has some significance, because Collins will get significant playing time and Caldwell will use this game to make a judgement call on Collins? That is all dependent on Manning’s status, of course, which I believe is academic; Manning is playing and he won’t be sitting, watching. But, if needed. I would think Collins needs to play well, both physically and mentally. I don’t know how anyone can say this game doesn’t mean something.
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
'But Caldwell supposedly has the final decision'
Thanks, I needed a good laugh. It’s kind of gloomy here in Florida today.
by Ayrshire on Aug 29, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Does Caldwell ever speak about making that decision?
Or, has he been silenced by Polian?
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
I haven't heard it from him. As a puppet, he has to
be careful about what he says. He use terms and phrases like ‘obviously’, ‘certainly’ and ’we’ll have to wait and see’.
In other words, he never really
says much of anything.
I just read this in a related story
While there will likely be quite a bit of people helping decide if Peyton is ready to pass against the Texans, Manning will actually make the final decision.
So, looks like Polian and Caldwell are both puppets in the decision-making process. If Manning thinks he’s ready, he goes. If not, he doesn’t go. I guess that settles that power struggle.
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
My post had nothing to do with Manning.
Of course Manning is the only one who knows if HE’s ready. You asked, in your comment above, if it is a foregone conclusion that Collins will start if Manning can’t go. So, I’m talking about Caldwell’s decision making ability between the back-ups.
lol
The Indianapolis Colts are going to be the 1st team to win a super bowl in their own stadium. 'nuff said.
by It'sAlways18 on Aug 29, 2011 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
terrence johnson....riser
I think this kid has shown decent ability and has outplayed every other option for the 5th cb spot. But because he comes from such a small school, he should be kept on the ps to develop another yr.
by tenaytiousd32 on Aug 29, 2011 2:28 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
How bad is Gonzo's hamstring?
I have not seen much analysis or reporting on the nature or extent of Gonzo’s latest injury. Just because he’s sitting out the pre-season doesn’t necessarily mean he’d be sitting if it were the regular season. Seems like a minor hamstring injury could easily be the sort of injury that would make sense to rest for a few weeks when the games don’t count so you can be 100% when they do. The Colts have a pretty good idea of what he can do when healthy, and with Peyton out he wasn’t even going to be able to work on timing with any QB likely to throw a meaningful pass to him this year. If he has a serious injury that’s going to drag much into the regular season, then maybe it is time to say “three strikes you’re out” with his injuries. But let’s not assume that sitting in pre-season equates to another major injury.
by ex-Viking fan on Aug 29, 2011 2:32 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Hughes had some pressures last game
including a hit on matt flynn. While he isn’t an all star, he is improving
slowly improving at a snail's pace
Would have rather had Safford last year
by OBGYNOSUPREME on Aug 29, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh you are absolutely right. Saffold is and probably will be a better player then Hughes. But he is not worthless. He is inconsistent, but he is playing better. Better than Brayton, and, in my opinion, better then Chick. I say he gets at least 3 sacks this year. Anyone wanna play under/over ?
"Anyone wanna play under/over ?"
I say same. 3 sacks souds realistic.
The Indianapolis Colts are going to be the 1st team to win a super bowl in their own stadium. 'nuff said.
by It'sAlways18 on Aug 29, 2011 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Saffold was judged as a RT. Just because he can play LT for the Rams doesn’t mean he could for us. Besides, I’d rather have Costanzo than Saffold. I think Costanzo is going to be the better LT.
by TrueBlue87 on Aug 29, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I would rather have both of them
I want Hughes to play well this year he owes us for sucking last year and not making that tackle on that last kickoff to the Jets in the playoffs last year
by OBGYNOSUPREME on Aug 29, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
D Brown and Hughes are not getting cut
Want to see some good reps for Collins and NO INJURIES THE LAST GAME!!!!
Probably Right
Too bad . they should be. Pkg. them both for a decent saftey and it would help us. I doubt both of them together will do much.
gonzo and brown have had enough time.
I personally dont think it would be wise to cut Hughes so fast. I remember when the Indy media, national media and Colts fan nearly ran Reggie Wayne out of town. Imagine how different our team would have been? Now, im not wanting to cut Gonzo or Brown, but first round picks make a lot of money. So, IMHO, the should be forced to take a pay cut, or be cut. Make their current cap number smaller, and if they play up too their draft status, give them incentives. The money we pay these two could have paid Kelvin Hayden. Id rather have Hayden.
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by whardiek on Aug 29, 2011 4:18 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Helping Team
I said this before in a post, Whether its a lack of talent or injury , there comes a time when you have to say enough is enough.Guys on the payroll have to contribute and when its 3 or 4 times not,.Say goodbye.
For the most part, I agree...
…my only sticking point is with Jerry Hughes. Call me naive, call me stubborn, call me whatever, but I am not quite ready to label him a bust. He has shown promise, albeit only some. He does. however, need to make his presence felt this season in some way, shape, or form, or risk hitting the cutting room floor.
If at first you don't succeed, quit and watch TV.
In the name of the Colts, the Hoosiers, and the Nebraska Cornhuskers. Amen.
by The Learned Hand on Aug 29, 2011 6:30 PM EDT reply actions
hughes is not a bust yet
give him this season. he will make contributions.
I hope so...
…He has all the potential in the world.
If at first you don't succeed, quit and watch TV.
In the name of the Colts, the Hoosiers, and the Nebraska Cornhuskers. Amen.
by The Learned Hand on Aug 29, 2011 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Great write up
Good stuff. BBS is a total Hughes hater and I and I am with him (I assume you are a guy) 100%. I am over Jerry Hughes. Cutting a first round pick is saying I “effed” up and I don’t think the Polians are ready to do that with Hughes or Donald Brown. They were forced to cut Tony “Private Pyle” Ugoh. You can only hide that mess for so long.
I think Hughes and Brown both have trade value. The challenge is finding a trade partner who sees the value in YOUR former first round pick. Tough, tough sell. Perhaps you could move Hughes to a 3-4 defense and convert him back to an OLB, which he played in college by the way!!!!!!!!!!! Brown is just a plow. Could work in Cleveland, Baltimore, SF or Washington. Simple offenses for their simple minded QBs.
BBS is a total Hughes hater and I and I am with him (I assume you are a guy) 100%
yes, bbs is a guy
just fyi.
The Indianapolis Colts are going to be the 1st team to win a super bowl in their own stadium. 'nuff said.
by It'sAlways18 on Aug 29, 2011 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions
mike hamlin
Did anyone see the we signed mike hamlin. A safety dallas cut. And we cut cornelious brown. Stampede blue mobile doesn’t show fanpost, so I didn’t know if anyone posted already.
by tenaytiousd32 on Aug 29, 2011 8:21 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
RISER=JOHN CHICK
HE WON’T MAKE THE TEAM-BUT HE SHOULD
@IndyVerm
by VermVerm on Aug 29, 2011 8:46 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
risers & fallers IMO
Risers:
O: Reitz (unexpected relief), Costanzo (has the highest expectations of all the picks), David Gilreath (could he earn a roster spot as a PR?), and seemingly every TE Polian brings in.
D: Chick (Yukon gold), Nevis (can he keep it up?), Gill (his play drowned out the jokes), David Caldwell (nobody thought we’d be considering him as a primary b.u.).
Fallers:
O: McClendon (was s’posed to be his year), hometown RBs (inconsistent & outplayed by Carter and James), Gonzo (spectre of injury still looms).
D: Hughes (the enigma), Brandon King (seemed like last year’s PS find), Rucker (practically invisible).
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at least he has an excuse then
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Bye bye Gonzo and Brown
Cut Gonzo and Brown… bring in TJ Housh or Moss and move Carter to 2nd RB and sign Rhodes. Then… I say cut Hughes next year. Put him on special teams if we have too. Make it clear he has this year or bye bye.
Why do you keep saying Spann
Evans and James have played more and better than Spann. Outside of week 1 Spann has done nothing.
The best depth chart for the Colts IMO is Addai, Carter, Evans/James (they can battle for 3rd and 4th). No Brown, no Spann.

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