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Devil's Take - The Michael Vick Hype Machine

Welcome to the Devil's Take! Normally, I would discuss Colts football in this segment, but I saw a topic that really struck me as hilarious and felt the need to cover it. Today, I'm going to discuss the recent signing of Michael Vick. If you haven't seen or read it by now, the Eagles have signed Michael Vick to a new 6 year, 100 million dollar contract, with almost 40 million guaranteed.

Did you hear that pin drop? Yes, the Eagles just signed Vick to another dumbo sized contract based on what exactly?

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Absolutely nothing. That's right. The Eagles signed a QB with less than league average numbers to a six figure deal reserved for arguably the upper echelon QB's. You know, the guys like Rivers, Brees, Brady, and oh yeah, that Peyton Manning guy.

In the history of bad deals, it's still not the worst. However, you would think that the Eagles would have done their homework on this one.

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Let me first start off by saying I am not a Vick hater. He committed his crimes, he did his time, and he's free to start his own life over again. If someone wants to let him play football, that's not my decision. In fact, the NFL needs guys like Vick to be honest. It's what makes football, football in my opinion. The ability to love or hate a player simply because you can.

So why do I think the Eagles did a dumb thing here? First, you have to look at the Eagles track record. Their top 3 QB's in the history of their franchise are Ron Jaworkski, Randall Cunningham, and Donovan McNabb. For most of you, the last two occurred in the last 25 years, so you are familiar with the name, if not the player. Cunningham would be the prototype for basically every black QB, and some white QBs, to enter the league to this very day. Good arm, fast legs, and the ability to outrun people. McNabb, was essentially a newer version of Cunningham, holding or setting virtually all of the Eagles QB records in his time with the team. As the starting QB, he would direct them to the playoffs virtually every year as their QB and go to the NFC Championship 5 times, 4 times in a row, and lose their lone SB appearance.

So how does Vick fit in here? Well, let's go back to when McNabb was first brought into the team for the Eagles. McNabb was the starter for the Eagles in 1999-2000, and was signed to a mega-million contract extension in 2002, for $115 million. Vick meanwhile, would be granted the keys to the Falcons starting job in 2001, and would get a mega-million contract extension in 2004 for $130 million. You are probably saying to yourself, what's the big deal? Both of these QB's were given new contracts despite never even fulfilling their first contract, and neither had even outplayed their first contract.

So why the big deal? Neither player really produced any numbers meriting that kind of contract extension. To put it bluntly, both QB's were run of the mill average QB's, even being equaled by poorer QB's on crappier teams.

Vick 2001 to 2004 - 43 games played

512 completions, 955 attempts, 72.9% QB rating, 51.4% completion , 6619 yards, 36 TDs, 26 INTs, 109 sacks

2223 yards rushing, 13 rushing TDs, 35 fumbles, 19 fumbles lost

2 playoff appearances

 

Donovan McNabb - 1999 to 2002 - 54 games played

932 completions, 1639 attempts,  77.1% QB rating, 55.8% completion, 9835 yards, 71 TDs, 38 INTs, 140 sacks

1884 yards rushing, 14 rushing TDs, 25 fumbles, 17 fumbles lost

3 playoff appearances

 

Now if you look at just those guys stats, of the two, only McNabb played anything remotely worthy of a massive contract extension. The difference between these two players is solely that while McNabb was winning, Vick was a hype machine, drawing "attention" while not really doing much in terms of staying on the field or producing for that matter. Yes, Vick went to the playoffs twice, but that's not the whole barometer of success. Many a team has gone to the playoffs with a weak QB (Trent Dilfer anyone?). And as an added comparison, a QB who we all know was relatively horrible...

Joey Harrington - 2002 to 2005 - 58 games played

986 completions, 1802 attempts, 68.3% QB rating, 54.7% completion, 10242 yards, 60 TDs, 61 INTs, 77 sacks

Roughly 300 yards rushing, 0 rushing TDs, 21 fumbles, 8 fumbles lost

 

Wow. Arguably one of the worst QB's in recent memory, and yet, produced almost equal numbers across the board to two "mega-million" contract QB's. Why is that? Unlike Harrington, Vick and McNabb went to teams with past winning pedigrees, and in the case of Vick, only a few years removed from a SB appearance. The Eagles, while not exactly doormats like the Lions, had only had a few bad years since a stretch of 4 playoff appearances in 6 seasons. So while both the Falcons and Eagles stunk it up for a year or two, their issues weren't so much as a team but a few pieces while Harrington went to the bottomless pit of teams in the NFL.

Now, I'm sure many will point out that guys like Rothelisberger got a massive upgrade on their contracts with a limited resume. The only difference here is that the kid went 15-1 his rookie year, went to the AFC Championship the same year, and would go on to be the youngest SB winner the following year. He would go on to win another SB 2 years later. He so out played his rookie contract that it merited a new contract. Do I agree with it? Not really. Still, if you want to compare the contracts, compare the deeds.

 

So that brings us to the present. Vick has once again been handed a massive contract and I'm still sitting here going WHY? The answer? The hype. It's the what if's, the could have been's, because that's all this guy has right now.

His best year as a QB in the NFL was last year, in which he played 12 games. As a starting NFL QB, you can't play just 12 games to be a franchise QB.

100.2 QB% rating, 233 completions, 372 attempts, 62.6% completion, 3018 yards, 21 TDs, 6 INTs, 34 sacks

676 yards rushing, 9 rushing TDs, 11 fumbles, 3 fumbles lost

His best season. The guy who replaced Vick in Atlanta, Matt Ryan, had a better year his rookie season. That's barely better than Joe Flacco's, Tony Romo's, and Carson Palmer's rookie years. If you toss out mop up duty in a worthless game their "rookie season", Drew Brees, Daunte Culpepper, and Kurt Warner all had better years their true rookie year as a QB. And of course, Peyton Manning had a better season as a rookie than Vick has ever had in his career.

Many will point out that I make no mention of his ability to run the ball as adding a dynamic others cannot. However, that ability often hurts the QB as much as it helps short term. Not to mention the injuries. Vick missed a few games because of injury. McNair spent countless games banged up and taking shots just to get in the game. Then you have tough guys like Favre, Manning, and Brady, who simply shrug off most ailments to play regardless. The difference however is that these guys are pass first run second type QBs. Yes, Favre tended to run, but most of his running was to extend the pass play, not run for yardage. 

There hasn't really been a run first QB that has truly succeeded in this league in recent years. At the very least, not a year in and year out effect. Teams adjusted and counter acted it. Elway, Young, McNair, Cunningham, even McNabb, all changed to a pass first style QB to truly succeed. Vick has never done this, and while last season was arguably the best year of his career, will it carry over to a new year?

Lastly, before I go, I want to again stress that I have zero hatred or envy of Michael Vick. I think the guy is a dynamic player who has immense talents and could be a great QB in this league. However, like many other players in the history of the NFL, he's never lived up to the full ability of his hype. He's still a mid level QB in terms of passing and he's still more reliant on running as a QB than actually passing the ball. It's kind of like the comparison of Ryan Leaf and Peyton Manning. Leaf had the talent, the ability, but he never lived up to the hype and results on the field. Manning did. Vick still has yet to really show us his full potential....and here's one person wondering if he ever will.

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Stampede Blue's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Stampede Blue's writers or editors.

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It continues the trend of dumb contracts this offseason/preseason.

I have no problem with Vick’s off the field issues, he’s paid for it. I do have a problem with a second tier QB with durability issues coming off a career year getting Brady/Manning/Brees dollars. A lot has been said about the pitfalls of free agency, namely overpaying aging players on the downside of their careers. The same thing can be said about a team when they do the same thing trying to hold on to their players.

So the Eagles latched the franchise on to Vick, 30 year old QB with past character issues (I don’t hold it against him, but betting at least 40 mil on him makes it a factor), coming off a career year with a style that is leads itself to injury. If it was going to take this to keep him, they might better have kept Kolb and let some other loser franchise overpay and be dragged down by him.

by strandedincarolina on Aug 30, 2011 1:28 AM EDT reply actions  

30 year old run-first QB with a history of missing time has half a season where he can pass it effectively,

And gets 40 mil in his pocket?

Oh yeah, this is a good idea.

"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West

by ISN on Aug 30, 2011 2:45 AM EDT reply actions  

Half a season where he passes effectively?

Based on what?

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by Udalango on Aug 30, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/V/VickMi00/gamelog/2010/

All downhill after the Washington blowout in week 9.

I could go further and say that after his week 4 injury, he fell back from the hot pace he started started the season with, to somewhere above his Atlanta passing level. The Washington game is an outlier there, more a result of a dysfunctional Skins team than a cool Manning/Brady-like slice and dice.

"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West

by ISN on Aug 30, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

?

Looks like he is passing effectively to me.

If you take the games after Washington. And put stretch the numbers to cover 16 game span it would be

4435 yard, 27 Tds, 16Ints 63% completion. May need to check my math a lil.

Hell if thats not effectively than Ill take half a season of that to get the other half of your magic Effective status

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"There is no struggle too vast, no odds too overwhelming, for even should we fail, should we fall, we will know that we have lived.--"Anomander Rake, Son of Darkness
Evil is relative…You can’t hang a sign on it. You can’t touch it or taste it or cut it with a sword. Evil depends on where you are standing, pointing your indicting finger.
-Glen Cook The Black Company

by Udalango on Aug 30, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wait

So he would somehow throw for almost 1500 yards in 4 games?

The other factor here is that because he is a running QB, he’s putting himself in places a normal QB would not, thus opening himself up to more potential injuries. That’s how he got hurt in the first place.

by DevilsReject on Aug 30, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

what?

no. I took the 6 games after the washington game where he “declined” and stretched those number from 6 games into a full season. So im adding 10 games. If he was passing like he was the last six games for 16 those would be his stats.

I realize this. But he was passing fine in the last 6 games. thats what Im saying. Im not saying he wont get hurt. Cause he will.

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"There is no struggle too vast, no odds too overwhelming, for even should we fail, should we fall, we will know that we have lived.--"Anomander Rake, Son of Darkness
Evil is relative…You can’t hang a sign on it. You can’t touch it or taste it or cut it with a sword. Evil depends on where you are standing, pointing your indicting finger.
-Glen Cook The Black Company

by Udalango on Aug 30, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Weeks 1-3

102, 108, 119 passer rating. Otherworldly.
Week 4 he only had 7 pass attempts, so let’s leave that alone.
Game 8, when he makes his return – 94 rating. 0.9 YPA below his opening salvo.
Game 9, he and Desean Jackson blow out the Skins, who arrived at the game early in the 2nd quarter.
Game 10, 83 rating.
Game 11, 94 rating, and he throws his first INT of the season.
Game 12, 103 rating. A slightly above average performance vs the Texans, who had a defensive passer rating of 100.5.
Game 13, 2 picks and a 90 rating.
Game 14, Dodge chooses to kick to Jackson. Vick puts up a 97 rating for the game. First half, Vick was 6-10 for 33 yards, rating of 26. First 3 quarters, he was 15-22 for 91 yards, rating of 72.
Game 15, rating of 74 vs the Vikings. The Vikings!
Game 16, he didn’t play, the Eagles having wrapped up the #3 seed.

Playoffs vs GB, rating of 80, and pretty much threw the game away.

"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West

by ISN on Aug 30, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

Are we judging by QB rating? what an awful way to judge it. Peytons Season rating was 91.9 I guess he sucks right. Vicks season rating was a 100.2. Which by your own standards is 2 points lower than “Otherworldly”.

Lets stick with the stats that mean something. Which I provided for you.

Ill give you he slowed down after those first four games. But anyone who thought he would maintain that was crazy. And its not like he was playing awful. he played good the latter half of the season. This decline thing is something the media is wrongly pushing

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"There is no struggle too vast, no odds too overwhelming, for even should we fail, should we fall, we will know that we have lived.--"Anomander Rake, Son of Darkness
Evil is relative…You can’t hang a sign on it. You can’t touch it or taste it or cut it with a sword. Evil depends on where you are standing, pointing your indicting finger.
-Glen Cook The Black Company

by Udalango on Aug 30, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right

Like Manning maintaining his 121 rating in a single season? Or Manning throwing 49 TDs? Or Manning failing to throw for 4000 yards only twice in his career?

Vick’s rating is up because he didn’t play a full 12 games like the rest of the top 10 QBs… had he, he may not have had that high of a rating, and I think it would be legit to say he would not have. Still, it’s an impressive number for an average QB to have in his first full year back as a starter…

by DevilsReject on Aug 30, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wasnt meaning that as an attack of Manning

I was using it to hopefully point out that Qb Rating is flawed. I will argue till im blue in the face with anyone saying Vick>Manning.

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"There is no struggle too vast, no odds too overwhelming, for even should we fail, should we fall, we will know that we have lived.--"Anomander Rake, Son of Darkness
Evil is relative…You can’t hang a sign on it. You can’t touch it or taste it or cut it with a sword. Evil depends on where you are standing, pointing your indicting finger.
-Glen Cook The Black Company

by Udalango on Aug 30, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

The media love Vick, so I'm not sure they're pushing that.

He went from Manning/Brady level back to Matt Cassel/Matt Ryan level. Now which one is more likely, he keeps throwing at a rating of 100, or trends back towards his career passer rating of 80?

102 by itself isn’t otherworldly. But his first 3 weeks together were.

"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West

by ISN on Aug 30, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

And this is ineffective passing?
He went from Manning/Brady level back to Matt Cassel/Matt Ryan level.

Thats my whole point. He slowed down but its not like he played like shit. He was still moving the ball for us.

Id say itsd pretty likely he stays at around the 90ish level. Diff scheme than ATL.

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"There is no struggle too vast, no odds too overwhelming, for even should we fail, should we fall, we will know that we have lived.--"Anomander Rake, Son of Darkness
Evil is relative…You can’t hang a sign on it. You can’t touch it or taste it or cut it with a sword. Evil depends on where you are standing, pointing your indicting finger.
-Glen Cook The Black Company

by Udalango on Aug 30, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nicely put

See, this I can get on board with. This is what I’m trying to express but apparently can’t get enough sane heads around :D

by DevilsReject on Aug 30, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the way you worded it at BGN

was a big problem to people. If he stays at this level than ya we may be overpaying a little. But how many teams would kill for a qb. who stays passing at that level and can hurt you running.

But at the same time there is tons of potential there. He could stay at 100 who the eff knows. and in that sense ya im fine with the money he got

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"There is no struggle too vast, no odds too overwhelming, for even should we fail, should we fall, we will know that we have lived.--"Anomander Rake, Son of Darkness
Evil is relative…You can’t hang a sign on it. You can’t touch it or taste it or cut it with a sword. Evil depends on where you are standing, pointing your indicting finger.
-Glen Cook The Black Company

by Udalango on Aug 30, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

The problem

Is that there are too many people who are blinded by fanaticism that I was doomed from the start anyways. Even if I worded it the same way you did, I’d be ass out anyhow.

And of course it cracks me up when you get a few people with legit convos going while the actual real trolls jump in acting exactly like trolls…

by DevilsReject on Aug 30, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

BGN has a bunch of

Fanatics but there is a lot of rational peep. In fact Id say the rational ones are the majority….of the regulars at least.

I feel like if you said you had concerns about is he worth 100 mill it would have went better. It came across like we shouldnt pay him because he had an awful season.

Well that and alot of us have an issue with BBS. Most of us sided with your outcasts. So that prolly didnt help

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"There is no struggle too vast, no odds too overwhelming, for even should we fail, should we fall, we will know that we have lived.--"Anomander Rake, Son of Darkness
Evil is relative…You can’t hang a sign on it. You can’t touch it or taste it or cut it with a sword. Evil depends on where you are standing, pointing your indicting finger.
-Glen Cook The Black Company

by Udalango on Aug 30, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fair enough

And I’m pretty blunt, so it doesn’t help me any there! :D

I’m not a fan or foe of BBS… sometimes I like him, sometimes I dislike him…. I just dont see the need to be a moron about it.

I know a lot of the outcasts so to speak, and I find no issue with any of them…for the most part!

by DevilsReject on Aug 30, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Matt Cassel/3rd year Matt Ryan aren't worth 100 mil contracts.

"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West

by ISN on Aug 30, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Could not agree more

And you won’t find me saying they are either….

by DevilsReject on Aug 30, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well...

IF he can stay healthy and continue to pass like he did last year, then he would be worth every penny in my mind.

Of course, ^that all seems pretty unlikely.

"A champion is someone who gets up when he can't."
- Jack Dempsey

by infinityzero.systemerror on Aug 30, 2011 6:36 AM EDT reply actions  

He faded terribly after the Giants comeback.

Even there, he was crap for 3 quarters.

If he plays 14 games a season with a 100 passer rating, or even a high 90s rating, then he’s worth it. Since that seems unlikely, he’s not worth it.

Sure is good to watch when he’s on, though.

"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West

by ISN on Aug 30, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Eagles deserve this man with his contract

Bunch of stupid FAs signed cheap with them, just because Asomugha got there, and the hype started. Andy Reid is overrated as is the organization and almost every member of it.

Hope Kolb turns out to be better, than Vick.

by Ty46 on Aug 30, 2011 7:50 AM EDT reply actions  

I think it's a fair deal

It’s just like the Bob Sanders contract. You have to know that Vick is probably going to get hurt based on his style of play. In Atlanta, Vick also had nobody to throw to aside from Crumpler who was highly overrated. Plus he himself even said that he didn’t put in the time to become a better passer. Now it appears that he is. Look, if the Giants are willing to pay Eli Manning $97 million over 6 years then I have no problem w/ Vick getting $100 million over 6 years. I mean aside from being more durable, can anyone here seriously say that Eli is better than Vick? I wouldn’t.

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by P0RKINS2 on Aug 30, 2011 10:59 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Actually

Eli has won a title, Vick has not. Eli won his only NFC championship appearance, Vick did not.
Eli has been to the playoffs as many times as Vick.

Also, who exactly did Joey Harrington have to throw to? Or for that matter, run for him? Vick had a lot better teams than people want to give credit, and the only reason they faded each year was because Vick got hurt….

by DevilsReject on Aug 30, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

This says nothing about who is the better player
Eli has won a title, Vick has not. Eli won his only NFC championship appearance, Vick did not.
Eli has been to the playoffs as many times as Vick.

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"There is no struggle too vast, no odds too overwhelming, for even should we fail, should we fall, we will know that we have lived.--"Anomander Rake, Son of Darkness
Evil is relative…You can’t hang a sign on it. You can’t touch it or taste it or cut it with a sword. Evil depends on where you are standing, pointing your indicting finger.
-Glen Cook The Black Company

by Udalango on Aug 30, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Your right

It doesn’t..

But it could have easily been the other way around…because Vick has all the talent in the world…but the most talented people aren’t always the best either…

by DevilsReject on Aug 30, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

All Eli did in that playoff run

was manage games and not turn the ball over. He rode his defense during that playoff run. Aside from the two minute drive before the half against Dallas and the two 4th Quarter TD drives in SB 42, Eli was basically Trent Dilfer. He has not shown me that he can carry a team. Vick had a winning record despite the Eagles suspect Defense. Eli has been able to keep the Giants around .500 w/o a good defense but that’s not good enough for a Franchise QB. Eli simply turns it over too much for me to admit that he’s better than Vick.

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Let me put some kush up in it" - Dr. Dre

by P0RKINS2 on Aug 30, 2011 12:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Eli 2 more picks last night

I like little bro but he has turned into an interception machine the past couple years.

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by PV Mike on Aug 30, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think we can all agree the Real MVP

of that Superbowl was the Giants D line

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"There is no struggle too vast, no odds too overwhelming, for even should we fail, should we fall, we will know that we have lived.--"Anomander Rake, Son of Darkness
Evil is relative…You can’t hang a sign on it. You can’t touch it or taste it or cut it with a sword. Evil depends on where you are standing, pointing your indicting finger.
-Glen Cook The Black Company

by Udalango on Aug 30, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

If we are discussing QB's

Eli is still the better QB.

If we are discussing athletes, Vick hands down.

The problem with Vick is that even with all the weapons the Eagles had last year, he still only threw for 3000 yards. Peyton Manning had half the talent for most of the year and threw for almost 5000 yards…

by DevilsReject on Aug 30, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

He did that over like 12 games

I don’t think we can compare him to Manning/Brady. The money he got was similar to Eli Manning’s and I think we can all agree he’s a better athlete and a better QB. He makes better decisions, he’s more poised in the pocket, better accuracy, I could go on. I don’t think it’s much of a stretch to say Michael Vick is a better QB and player than Eli Manning. I’m not saying Eli sucks, I’m just saying that if Eli is worth $16.2 million per season than Michael Vick is worth $16.7 million per season.

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by P0RKINS2 on Aug 30, 2011 6:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I disagree

He’s not a better passing QB. You’ve not realised that if Vick scrambles 5 times a game then even when he drops back, the defense cant commit to the pass, where as with Eli they can

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by ColtsUK on Aug 31, 2011 7:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Actually...
I think we can all agree he’s a better athlete and a better QB.

Better athlete? Sure, Wilbur. The sky is blue, too.

Better QB than Eli? Thanks, man. I needed that laugh. };0)

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by Chopaholic on Aug 31, 2011 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think they're pretty equal, QB wise.

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by ISN on Sep 1, 2011 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

His play at times last year was otherworldly.

This is a league based on potential as opposed to achivement. I understand the contract, and don’t necessarily think it’s an awful one.

He makes for a much better running game – both with his own contributions and with the fear of him on the ground – makes it much easier for Shady McCoy.

Antoine Bethea - the most underrated safety in the NFL.

by Ben Savage on Aug 30, 2011 3:18 PM EDT reply actions  

ESPN asked the question if Race matters in how people view Vick.

I now know what Michael Vick looks like as a white man.

"A champion is someone who gets up when he can't."
- Jack Dempsey

by infinityzero.systemerror on Aug 31, 2011 5:21 AM EDT reply actions  

I personally

don’t care what color he is….was a huge fan of Warren Moon and Steve McNair, even when he did play against us..

by DevilsReject on Aug 31, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmmm...

Technically black is the absence of color, so I guess it would read…

I personally

don’t care what absence of color he is….was a huge fan of Warren Moon and Steve McNair, even when he did play against us..

How could a person not be a fan, they were good and fun to watch (like Vick is). I would say don’t forget McNabb, I feel like he doesn’t get the love he deserves.

"A champion is someone who gets up when he can't."
- Jack Dempsey

by infinityzero.systemerror on Sep 1, 2011 6:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Overrated

Vick is overrated, he’s not a great QB. He’s a great scramble QB, sure, but his throwing isn’t half of his running. And he doesn’t even run that well anymore.

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