Don't Rule Out Randy Moss To The Colts
by Brad Wells on Aug 3, 2011 8:00 AM EDT
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PrintYes, Randy Moss has retired. Sort of. But, just because 'Straight cash, homie' says he's done doesn't mean he is. When the news broke of his retirement, one of the reasons he said he was hanging them up was because he wasn't getting enough interests from certain teams. One of the teams he mentioned was the Colts.
Now, there's lots of different ways people can interpret 'interest.' For many, Moss's use of 'interest' suggested that the Colts had a desire to sign Moss, but that they didn't want to pay him the $3 million per year he likely wanted.
But, as Mike Florio of PFT wrote last night, don't discount Moss-to-Colts just yet:
Sure, he may be adamant about his decision for now, given that he’s miffed that he didn’t get the kind of offer he thought he’d receive. And he probably genuinely believes he won’t come back. But what happens if a contending team with a high-end quarterback loses a No. 1 wideout?
Whether it’s the Patriots, Colts, Saints, or Eagles, we think an in-season phone call and a fair (in Randy’s view) offer would bring him to town.
Think for a second. Remember last year when the Colts lost their only consistent deep threat, Dallas Clark, to injury mid-season? The offense struggled the rest of the year. Should a similar injury occur, or if, say, Pierre Garcon starts to look awful in preseason, it's not ridiculous for the Colts to make Moss and offer.
Offenses do not thrive without deep threats, and Moss can certainly 'take the top off the defense.'
And for those that think that certain Colts players simply would not like Moss, remember that Moss is very well-liked and respected around the league. Tom Brady loved playing with Moss, and if Indy signs him, Peyton will certainly send Tommy a text asking him questions about ole Randy. And, if signed, Colts veterans like Reggie Wayne and Dwight Freeney would embrace him.
Bottom line is if Moss is still available, and the Colts need a deep threat, they would be stupid not to try and get him. Remember, the Colts were interested in acquiring Moss last year after the Vikings waived him.
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I am for this 100%
If he gets an opportunity to play with Peyton I believe he will turn it on.
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by metallicolts on Aug 3, 2011 8:06 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
That may be the problem.
From what I understand, it wasn’t the money as much as he wanted a multi-year contract. Pats and Jets both offered a one year deal, so he retired.
The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Aug 3, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
2nd best WR ever...
1. Sign Moss
2. Throw ball deep
3. ?
4. Profit.
Could Peyton stand it being so easy?
Thug Life. It's a Pacers thing, you wouldn't get it.
by infinityzero.systemerror on Aug 3, 2011 8:07 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Sign him, now, seriously, do it.
The idea of a four wide set with Wayne, Moss, Collie, and Clark makes me want to cream in my pants.
honestly...
And so that everyone understands where my line of reasoning is nowadays, I’m at the point now where I don’t give a shit who they sign or what the Colts as an organization have to do to win a freakin championship, but do it.
Having Moss in place of Garcon,
does make me feel a bit more confident. Garcon just drops it too damn much!
having him in addition to garcon would be awesome
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by muncie_in_this on Aug 3, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Garcon dropped less balls than Wayne last year
"It's about the journey--mine and yours--and the lives we can touch, the legacy we can leave, and the world we can change for the better."
— Tony Dungy
Don't be an ignoramus, Mark Olson
Reggie had a 63% catch rate last year (67% in ’09)
Pierre had a 56% catch rate last year (52% in ’09)
Collie on the other hand… that white boy caught 82% of his passes! (tops for receivers with over 50 targets) (67% in ’09)
Don’t forget to use standardized stats or else your argument is moot. Using raw numbers is just a way to warp figures to say what you want.
Wait, what?
A Colts fan throwing out all of Manning’s career achievements? Could it be?
"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West
by ISN on Aug 4, 2011 2:52 AM EDT up reply actions
You got me, and yes I did know this
but how did Moss do? 47.5% catch rate.
Garcon’s rate was better than notable names like Santonio Homes, Chad Ochocinco, Dwayne Bowe, and Larry Fitzgerald.
"It's about the journey--mine and yours--and the lives we can touch, the legacy we can leave, and the world we can change for the better."
— Tony Dungy
Goodness...
Could you imagine how insane Dallas and Collie would be running those underneath routes…holy F*ck!!!
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Garcon is the only receiver on the Colts
who I don’t have confidence in. It is tough to see a perfect pass from Peyton hit Garcon in the numbers and the result is incomplete. If we don’t pick up Moss, I sre hope Garcon can finally eliminate that tendency.
You have confidence in Gonzo?
Well, I guess I have confidence in him too. Undoubtedly, he will be on IR before the end of week 1 (rough estimate).
Thug Life. It's a Pacers thing, you wouldn't get it.
by infinityzero.systemerror on Aug 3, 2011 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I could deal with this
He obviously needs a contender to consistently try. I think the Colts would have to lose 2 WR’s for them to do it. But, I’d have no problem with them signing Moss for a year. I agree with Ayrshire that I think he’d be a short term upgrade to Garcon.
I don’t think they do it unless they lose 2 of the 4 projected starters at WR. (Wayne, Gonzo, Collie, Garcon)
Yeah, I'm Shure.
If nobody picks him up,
we may be signing him at some point. I fear for Collie. I think the guy is absolutely great! But, one good hit over the middle, with his concussion history, and he may be out for the season or his career.
Only way to sign him is if
we had an injury to one our starting WRs (Knock on wood). I don’t think he would get enough time with peyton in training camp to start even if he was signed today.
LET THE HATERS HATE.
He Is DONE,
The guy had Brady and Brett Farve throwing the ball to him last season. he “played” on three teams last year ;all of which really needed him, and produced nothing. Whether its attitude or diminished skills he has proven you can’t count on him. If Colts’ brass; after sitting on their hands while teams around them got better, signs this guy, it will cap off what has been the most lackluster offseason I could of imagined. Between Peyton and the do nothing attitude of the Polian I’m stunned that with the Super Bowl being played in Indy this team has not accepted the fact that they don’t have the talent to compete for an AFC title and make some bold moves to improve this team. Extremely disappointed.
by Devilsaccomplice on Aug 3, 2011 8:32 AM EDT reply actions
He didn’t get any reps and was hardly thrown to in tennessee. He had 6, SIX receptions for them and it wasn’t because they threw to him two dozen times and he dropped it 75% of the time. They picked him up and didn’t use him for whatever reason.
If he’s willing to sign a tiny contract for the stats and joy of working hard and winning then give him a chance. The way last season ended doesn’t mean he’s done for sure.
and in minnesota...
The first 3 of the 4 games he was quite useful. (only had 1 reception vs the pats in the 4th game). 4 for 81 and a td vs the jets, 5 for 55 vs dallas and 3 for 30 and a td vs green bay.
I’d take the average of that productivity over a season.
He's NOT done
Even if he WERE done, which he isn’t, you don’t think lining him up outside the hashes is going to affect a defense? You don’t think the opposing DC will say “On the one hand, Randy is done, we’re not worried. On the other, you better back up.” ?
don't hold your breath
I’d like to see Moss come to the colts as much as the next guy. I true deep threat would really complement our offense. But come one guys, this is the colts we are talking about. We all know they aren’t going to sign a guy like Randy Moss.
Moss & Wayne can definitely teach a few things to Garçon and company
. IF he still has some speed and juice in him for a season and playoff sign him CHEAP. Although, our o-line and safety might be a bigger issue with Peyton Manning turning ANY WR to be decent threat
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by BobInBlue on Aug 3, 2011 9:49 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Randy Moss is not done
The guy is consistently in impeccable shape (a la T.O.), and you simply cannot doubt his talent and skill.
If he would sign with us for the vet minimum i would be more than happy to see him in a colts uniform, if only for 1 year before the colts draft a new WR in the first round next season as the heir to reggie wayne’s spot
by LeftNutForAStarCenter on Aug 3, 2011 9:53 AM EDT reply actions
And when Peyton throws 8 picks trying to hit Moss deep,
Who’s fault will it be then? You think Moss will appreciate Peyton telling him he wasn’t in the right spot?
He’s not the 07 Moss anymore, no matter how much the speed is still there, the effort is not. For the first week or two, maybe, but Peyton isn’t going to want to babysit him for any length of time.
"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West
exactly
If he were reliable and efficient he would still be a Patriot. If he were able to help a team he wouldn,t be “retired”. His attitude and work ethic were not an issue when he was a physical freak with incredible ball skills. He is not what he once was.
by Devilsaccomplice on Aug 3, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Moss filed his retirement papers
Maybe he is serious.
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Has he declined physically?
I’d be all for adding the Randy Moss of a few years ago. But now I’d definately want to put him through a workout similar to the rookie combines. Moss was a freak athlete, but speed and agility usually start to decline around Moss’ age, and he’d be pretty ordinary without that extreme athleticism. I assume there was a reason why the Titans couldn’t figure out how to get him on the field last year. If it was mental, I’d think they’d have dropped him. Since they kept him on the team that suggests he just wasn’t that good anymore. But you could test that with a thorough workout.
You could probably still get him to run a 4.3,
Doesn’t mean he’s catching the ball in a game.
"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West
after watching him last year
don’t think he comes close to a 4.3…unless his agent is holding the stop watch
by BLOODontheTRACKS on Aug 3, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
He's still got speed, when he wants it.
"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West
Exactly
This was less than a year ago, too. He still has it.
The Indianapolis Colts are going to be the 1st team to win a super bowl in their own stadium. 'nuff said.
by It'sAlways18 on Aug 3, 2011 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I say take a chance on him. The reason he got the boot in NE was because he opened his mouth to the media about wanting a new contract after week 1. Then he had both Brett Farve and Kerry Collins throwing him the ball. Two very washed up QB’s in my opinion. The guy still has it and if anyone can get him to play hard and stay motivated, its Peyton.
Plus there will finally be a receiver that has played for both Peyton and Brady and could end the “Who’s Better” argument.
by MelvinFasterThanaSpeedingBullitt on Aug 3, 2011 11:54 AM EDT reply actions
The reason he got the boot
was because he was demanding a lot of the ball for very little result. He was on pace for 30 catches in NE last year, that’s not #1 status. He’s not even that now.
"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West
I was reading over on Pats Pulpit,
that Moss was offered a one-year contract by the Pats for the 2011 and decided to retire, because he wanted a multi-year contract, and they wouldn’t offer that. I would be willing to bet that there’s only 3 or 4 teams he’d be willing to play for this year. I doubt the Colts would be prepared to offer him more than a one year deal, even if they decided to hire that recalcitrant.
Too much invested in Garcon at this point
Moss is not a slot guy. He lines up top or bottom which means he steps in for Wayne or Garcon. I assume Garcon would be the one to sit for Moss and that would be pretty damaging to his relationship with Colts brass. I think the only way the Colts sign Moss is if Garcon/Wayne go down at some point with at 3+ week injury…
"It's about the journey--mine and yours--and the lives we can touch, the legacy we can leave, and the world we can change for the better."
— Tony Dungy
by Mark Olson on Aug 3, 2011 12:56 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Picture this
I think if we have an opportunity to get Moss we should, Garcon struggled last year running the routes incorrectly, and Peyton took blame for that. Imagine Wayne, Moss and Clark lined up! What do you do as defense? I just hope our guys can stay a health the entire season.
Well, Moss provides way better technique but imagine if do to age he can't create separation
And he’s bound to get slower ,more worn down through the season whereas Garçon is young. Garçon has the speed and potential to burn you every play for years. We need that deep threat option and Moss physically may not make it the whole year (think of a WR’s knees after so many snaps). Better to let Garçon develop so we can have Collie, Garçon, a drafted WR this year hopefully to be there for our next quarterback. He’s bound to improve as time continues Moss Physically CANNOT.
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by BobInBlue on Aug 3, 2011 3:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
"Remember..."
“…the Colts were interested in acquiring Moss last year after the Vikings waived him.”
Nowhere in the article that you linked does it say that the Colts showed any interest in Moss.
...
“Moss’s”… Really, BBS? Come on, dude. I know everyone is entitled to grammatical errors but that is just a little much.
Randy is done. We don’t him, anyhow. I would have liked to see Plaxico signed, but we’re good.
My blood-type is Colts and FORD blue.
NO!
“Tom Brady loved playing with Moss, and if Indy signs him, Peyton will certainly send Tommy a text asking him questions about ole Randy”
This was true to a point. This was true in 2007. It was not true last year. I remember reading that Brady got PO’d at Moss because he started dogging it on routes. Brady then told BB, you can keep him on the team but he’s not getting any more balls thrown his way. The next week Moss was traded.
Moss is lazy and doesn’t have the necessary discipline or route-running skills to be a Colts WR. Signing him would be a mistake. I’d rather take my chances on Blair White and Joe Horn.
Make it performance based
I say go ahead and sign Moss, but make his salary almost entirely performance based. Here’s what I mean:
Pay him the league minimum. Then offer incentives like “1 million dollars for every TD catch.”
This way if we sign him and he stinks, we aren’t out any money (coughcough SIMON cough)
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