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2011 Colts Training Camp: Day Eight News And Notes

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Colts Training Camp Schedule

Monday, August 8th, 2011

8:30 a.m. and 3:30 p.m. (p.m. practice is special teams only)

The 8:30 a.m. practice is currently underway, and from @nick_pease, Jeff Saturday just lined up at WR and ran a route in practice much to the enjoyment of the crowd. We'll have notes from this morning's practice later today. The p.m. practice is special teams only.

I'll deal with the silly Terrell Owens rumor in a bit. Before I do that, I just want to give a quick run down on what we have seen from the players at camp this year. If you've been to camp already and seen similar or different observations, let us know in the comments. As always, evaluation is subjective. And as we have often seen (Taj Smith), one can look very good in camp (Taj Smith) and then look abjectly terrible in game-like situations (Taj Smith, Taj Smith, Taj Smith).

Speaking of Taj, he'll likely make the team. He's an outstanding special teams player.

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  • The defensive tackle position is certainly upgraded. Tommie Harris and Drake Nevis offer much more at the three-technique tackle spot than Daniel Muir or Fili Moala did.
  • Harris has impressed. He looks healthy. Shows tremendous burst off the line.
  • Jerry Hughes looks like a new player. This news is VERY encouraging, but I preach caution. It cannot be overstated just how completely useless he was in 2010. The Colts absolutely cannot afford to bust yet another first rounder. So, while Hughes has certainly turned heads at camp, let's temper things a bit. We need to see Hughes play well in a real game before we start proclaiming him as a 'good pick.' Right now, he's a big bust. He must shake that label with his play in preseason and regular season. I hope he does because he has loads of talent.
  • Dallas Clark is healthy. That's big news.
  • Anthony Castonzo is getting his ass kicked, and that's good. He has all the physical tools, and he seems to have a good head on his shoulders. Having him get schooled by Dwight Freeney early is a good measuring stick for how mentally tough he needs to be.
  • Ben Ijalana is a huge man, but not as refined a blocker as Castonzo.
  • Ernie Sims is looking and playing physical in practices.
  • Justin Tryon is outplaying Jacob Lacey. Yet, Lacey is still considered the 'starter.'
  • Kevin Thomas actually practiced. He's also wearing No. 21.
  • Curtis Painter looks improved, but still gets rattled easily in the pocket. Dan Orlovsky still doesn't know the offense, but much cooler under fire. I still hold out hope Orlovsky can take this job, but you never know with the Polians.
  • My early guess at the starting o-line: Castonzo, McClendon, Saturday, Ijalana, Diem.
  • Unless he dominates in preseason, I don't see how Mike Pollak makes the 53-man-roster, save only pride on the part of Bill Polian.

One last thing as you start your day, and take this for what it's worth: The reason the Randy Moss rumors are credible is because the Colts and Moss have talked. I don't have that completely confirmed, but it makes sense if you consider the Colts WR situation. Anthony Gonzalez is made of glass, and Austin Collie is potentially one more concussion away from ending his NFL career. The Colts know this, and are likely keeping their options open with Moss (as they should). If Collie in particular goes down, the Colts lose a very potent big play threat. Thus, the Moss whispers. Moss can still fly, and if used in a specialty role on a team full of skilled veterans (like the Colts), he can make plays.

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While I heard some good and bad about Lacey

I haven’t heard anything about Tryon, other than batting the incompletion Sims caused into the air (which Bullitt returned for a TD).

by Ty46 on Aug 8, 2011 10:13 AM EDT reply actions  

How'd Kevin Thomas do?

And no Kyle DeVan on the starting lineup?

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by YeahItsDanny on Aug 8, 2011 10:14 AM EDT reply actions  

Diem is not going to be a starter

by odiesel on Aug 8, 2011 10:21 AM EDT reply actions  

Hughes is not considered a bust...yet

We knew when we drafted him it would take some time for him to adjust, just like it will take Ijilana time because hes coming from a small school as well. Year 2 is when Hughes should shine, so if he does nothing THIS YEAR you can call him a bust all you want. Its unfair to label him that right now though

by bigpony on Aug 8, 2011 10:47 AM EDT reply actions  

Bust

He was a huge bust in his first year. He could not make a meaniful contribution to the team in any way ,shape or form. First rd. picks should start and if not at least contribute. If he had been a 2 or 3 I’d still be not happy with him. I’ve been to camp and he does look much better. It’s almost like the bulb got turned on. I hope he is better in a game. We need him to be. I’m sure he’ll get lot’s of chances in pre- season.

by MrBoJangles46 on Aug 8, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

So

you thought Jerry hughes should start over Dwight Freeney or Robert Mathis?

"It's ludicrous these mortals even attempt to enter my realm!" - Mike Tyson.

by Jfoley17 on Aug 8, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Never said that or implied it

He wasn’t even active for games for half the season. I rest my case !

by MrBoJangles46 on Aug 8, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

it is disappointing but you can’t call him a bust. The only sure fire way to call a bust in one year is maybe a top ten pick that is expected to come in and start and make a noticable improvement. Hughes wasn’t that he was a utility player and backup. We all put high hopes and expectations on him and were disappointed but it’s way to early to label a bust. Granted he showed very little and was not even a special teams player but really he wasn’t gonna learn the game or improve pass rush as a ST guy so who cares.

by Indyrampage on Aug 8, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Jerry Hughes can not be called a bust after one season! It’s ridicuouls to even say that, its been said it takes two years to learn and adjust to defensive line in nFL. Now after this year if he doesn’t do anything maybe consider bust label bust as of now he is just a disappointment.
I like that starting lineup on the o-line. Next year Diem will be gone and Ij can take his spot. I like seeing McClendon finally a starter, how has he looked?
I hope Gonzo is healthy this year so this ‘glass man’ theory can leave. He has had two bad luck injuries in a violent sport, it happens. I also won’t consider him injury prone to your extent unless he gets hurt this year then i’ll agree. Trying to be optimistic here!!
It’s terrifying to see Lacey in starting lineup. He needs to be fourth on depth chart at best.
I’m excited about the DT position for the first time in years!
Last thing i’d rather have DeVan on roster then Pollak. Pollak has not proven anything yet other then he is not what we hoped he’d be, it’s time to cut our loses.

by Indyrampage on Aug 8, 2011 10:58 AM EDT reply actions  

BBS -

Anybody tweeting live updates from the practice? I know Matt was doing so the other day, but haven’t seen him tweet anything recently

by kmbryant09 on Aug 8, 2011 10:59 AM EDT reply actions  

I was ...

Sorry you missed them. My work schedule is pretty full the rest of the week, but I hope to get back to training camp one or two more times next week before camp breaks. Follow me at nick_pease.

And BBS .. thanks for the shout out on the main page. Watching Saturday was pretty funny this morning. I think he was a little dissapointed no one threw him the ball!

I love sports. Probably in a way that is unhealthy on many levels.

by ClarkFan44 on Aug 8, 2011 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

just a thought

how many o-linemen do you think we’ll keep? i have pollak making the team due to the fact that he is our best backup center. and although poorly,… he can play guard.
 Gonzo is not mr. glass(that goes to our old #21) i remember him being healthy last year, but being put on IR in a failed attempt to bring back the real mr. glass. Gonzo will have a great season.

by tenaytiousd32 on Aug 8, 2011 11:09 AM EDT reply actions  

We used to keep the “best 8 as a unit” under Dungy, but have moved to 9 or 10 since Caldwell has taken over.

by DirtySanchez on Aug 8, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kevin Thomas

Wearing #21 just sounds like bad karma to me. Really should have picked a different number.
I think getting Brian Waters would be a lot better for the team than Randy Moss. However, i would really like to see Peyton finally get his tall WR to play with.

by gmitch23 on Aug 8, 2011 11:19 AM EDT reply actions   2 recs

#21 for the colts rarely sees the field

Its fitting that Kevin Thomas is wearing it now!

by bigpony on Aug 8, 2011 11:58 AM EDT reply actions   2 recs

if tommie harris pans out

i will never being happier eating crow. and christ colts, sign waters already…

by BLOODontheTRACKS on Aug 8, 2011 12:35 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

You CANNOT label someone a bust until 3 years

 call him a failure so far. He’s failed to get PT in his FIRST YEAR. There’s a reason why the re evaluation of draft picks are 3 years later. If you were a 1st rd pick and people calling you a waste of pick how is this helping. SHUT UP AND SUPPORT THE FO AND PALYERS NO MATTER WHAT ( unless it’s Mike Brown). I guess Aaron Rodgers was considered a bust too right?

{ ZuKeO}

by BobInBlue on Aug 8, 2011 2:09 PM EDT via mobile reply actions   1 recs

No, you don't understand!

it was different for rogers! He was drafted to play behind a future HOFer, and eventually take over when the HOFer left. Hughes was drafted to…
Oh wait, nevermind.
;)

The Indianapolis Colts are going to be the 1st team to win a super bowl in their own stadium. 'nuff said.

by It'sAlways18 on Aug 8, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Hostility over calling Hughes a bust?

It’s comical. As of today, the guy has done absolutely zero for this organisation, apart from bleed some cap space. Polian shouted he would make a contribution in his first year. He did – he whiffed on ST’s. Maybe BP forgot we had 2 Pro-Bowl DE’s? So until he starts producing first round talent performances, he’ll remain a bust. Not at camp, during the regular season. This is not a court of law (innocent until proven guilty), it’s football (not worth a cent until proven useful).

by braveheartcolt on Aug 9, 2011 6:27 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

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