Early Guess As To The 2011 Week One Depth Chart
by Brad Wells on Aug 9, 2011 5:16 PM EDT
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PrintSo, the first depth chart of the 2011 was released today and, yeah, it's pretty stupid. Like many of you, I don't take this first list too seriously. If I did, I probably would lose my mind. There's absolutely no logical reason for Mike Pollak to be starting again, and Eric Foster as the back-up nose tackle is like having Pat McAfee as the back-up strong safety.
So, instead of complaining about a depth chart that is clearly either A) Not meant to be taken seriously, or B) Drafted by total morons, I submit my first, best 'guess' as to what the Week One 53-man roster will be.
QB: Peyton Manning, Dan Orlovsky (Yes, I dare to dream of a Colts team sans Curtis Painter)
RB: Joseph Addai, Donald Brown, Delone Carter, Javarris James, Devin Moore
WR: Reggie Wayne, Pierre Garcon, Austin Collie, Anthony Gonzalez, Blair White
TE: Dallas Clark, Jacob Tamme, Brody Eldridge, Justin Snow
LT: Anthony Castonzo, Jeff Linkenbach
LG: Jacques McClendon, Joe Reitz
OC: Jeff Saturday, Jake Kirkpatrick
RG: Ben Ijalana, Kyle DeVan
RT: Ryan Diem
Defense after jump...
RE: Dwight Freeney, Jerry Hughes
NT: Antonio Johnson, Ricardo Mathews, Veteran Free Agent (insert Pat Williams here, please)
UT: Fili Moala, Drake Nevis, Tommie Harris
LE: Robert Mathis, Jamaal Anderson
WILL: Kavell Conner, Ernie Sims
MIKE: Gary Brackett, Cody Glenn
SAM: Pat Angerer, Tyjuan Hagler (I think he will be re-signed, but that's just me guessing)
CB: Jerraud Powers, Kevin Thomas, Chris Rucker
CB: Justin Tryon, Jacob Lacey, Brandon King
FS: Antoine Bethea, Veteran Free Agent (insert Darren Sharper, or the like, here)
SS: Melvin Bullitt, Joe Lefeged
P: Pat McAfee
Kick return is Devin Moore. Punt returns are Blair White.
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Why do the colts continue to waste a spot on Justin snow? Can no one else long snap? Also while Brackett is a good guy, I’m ready for the Colts to upgrade the MLB position
by IndyCrombie on Aug 9, 2011 5:27 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I wonder the same thing about Snow. I brought this up in a fan post. Why cant we have tamme or eldridge be trained to be the LS. That would be huge to free up a valuable roster spot for something more then strictly a long snapper. I’ve never seen him do anything else. Could he help at TE if needed?
Why dont we just train a gary brackett to play Linebacker and defensive tackle too...?
I mean why do we have to tie up a roster spot with a tough, dependable guy who makes sure AV can kick those extra points and 50 yard game winners…cmon…what a ridiculous thing to suggest. Think about it.
Dang relax, its just a hypothetical! And LB to DT is a stupid analogy, totally different. SNow is listed as a TE so just thinking train the backup TE to do that job. It doesn’t sound that crazy does it. Snow isn’t the only one around that could LS. With training and practice someone else can do just as good a job.
just as good a job???
not hardly…. the ls is waaaay more important than you have a clue to. Bad snaps could lose us points costing us games…..npt to mention the battle of field position we already lose….52 roster spots is plenty for us to find versatility elsewhere…..
by BIG JOHN D on Aug 10, 2011 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
No I know how important this is. I wish I would have not got involved in this earlier. But to say, as you just did, that no one else could do a good a job is stupid. Snow is not the only long snapper in the league. And guess what he won’t be in Indy forever he will retire and need replaced. I have no doubt we will find someone that will do just as good a job as he.
When I got involved in this arguement I never really thought, or wanted for that matter, for snow to go. I know what he brings to the team, I know how important they are. The other poster brought it up I agreed on a hypothetical What if. It ould be done. Maybe our future LS would be a guy that does more.
Yesterday was a bad day and I vented on here, I apologize I know it was dumb. I’m football intelligent, I know whats up. So enough with all of this.
Kind of like....
bad special teams play could lose us games?
The better question is...
Why do none of these players who enter the league fighting for a spot on the roster not have the intelligence to realize… “hey, if I can develop myself into one of the more accurate long snappers in the league, I can be valuable enough to get a chance at my true position.” I would think a guy like Tamme would have been working on it diligently for much of his first three years. Afterall, all he could really do is learn how to be the special teams guru. When Snow goes, maybe Tamme takes over.
In other news… I know Snow is “just” the long snapper but he is also very good on punt coverage. He is a far better athlete than you’d ever imagine. He also is an emergency backup quarterback and throws to receivers in drills during camp and summer activities to give the quarterbacks a breather from time-to-time.
Havent the rules for Emergency QB changed now anyway?
Your allowed a 3rd QB if your first 2 go down or something like that
Hank Baskett IS A WANKER
I believe now the new rules state that we can have 53 roster spots and allow 3 active QB’s. In the past it had been 52 plus a 3rd QB that was not allowed into the game until an active QB was injured.
This helps teams like Buffalo that have a player like Brad Smith. He will be listed as 3rd QB but can be active and will participate in ST and receiving, as he was with the Jets.
Someone correct me if i’m wrong.
I think it was the 46th game day spot is no longer only for the 3rd QB,
And the 3rd can now play at any time without voiding one of the other QBs.
"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West
Dont know where I got 52 to 53 increase, it’s still early. yes it is the 46th game day spot
by Indyrampage on Aug 10, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Because
Long snapper is one of the great underrated positions…not having a competent long snapper is like giving away points and/or field position. Unfortunately there has to be one on the roster and Justin is one of the best. You would regret it if the Colts didn’t have a dedicated long snapper on the team. Also, he is a special teams contributor.
I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.
I don't agree with the Pat Williams or Darren Sharper signings
Those are prime spots for depth/ST players. I don’t see Pat Williams or Darren Sharper playing on teams.
I see a roster like this:
QB: 18, 7 (Go Boilers)
RB: 29, 31, 34, 45
WR: 87, 17, 85, 11, 15
TE: 44, 81, 84
OL: 74, 65, 63, 79, 71, 66, 72, 76, 78
DL: 99, 95, 96, 94, 91, 98, 93, 92, 68, 90
LB: 55, 58, 51, 53, 52, 50 (Remember, Wheeler is good on ST)
CB: 25, 20, 27, 21, 36, 39
S: 41, 33, 38, 23, 49 (Lefeged might sneak his way in here)
ST: 48, 1, 4
Do you really know everyone's numbers?
by BenD on Aug 9, 2011 6:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah...
I’m lame.
Sorry, I figured there weren’t that many new ones on there and most people would be able to read that.
QB: Manning, Painter (Go Boilers)
RB: Addai, Brown, Carter, Moore
WR: Wayne, Collie, Garcon, Gonzo, White
TE: Clark, Eldridge, Tamme
OL: Castonzo, McClendon, Saturday, Ijalana, Diem, DeVan, Link, Reitz, Pollak
DL: Mookie, Moala, Harris, Nevis, Mathews, Mathis, Freeney, Hughes, Foster, Anderson
LB: Sims, Brackett, Angerer, Conner, Glenn, Wheeler(Remember, Wheeler is good on ST)
CB: Powers, Tryon, Lacey, Thomas, Rucker, Brown
S: Bethea, Bullitt, Newton, Afalava, Vaughn(Lefeged might sneak his way in here)
ST: Snow, McAfee, Vinnatieri
definitely not lame
I wish I knew the numbers of every player on the roster… I could probably name all the starters’ numbers though?
The Indianapolis Colts are going to be the 1st team to win a super bowl in their own stadium. 'nuff said.
by It'sAlways18 on Aug 9, 2011 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Very close
For some reason, I feel Foster can play run down DE and that diminishes the value of Anderson. Chick, the team has more money and time invested in him (remember the $1 mil., the highest signing bonus paid to a CFL player last year by the Colts???). I think it pays off now and Chick makes it over Anderson.
Another big question is, if Blair White stays on PUP to start the season, do we sign someone like Brandon Stokely for insurance, who knows our system and can contribute quicker without being in TC with us? That would definitely have to be in the back of the coaches’ minds.
If Lacey stays injured, a zone CB like Randall Gay, released by the Saints, can provide veteran back up presence, IMO.
Man are you sure this is not your weekly lottery ticket?
"This amplifier goes to 11" Nigel Tufnel, Spinal Tap
I agree with Spann
If not on the final 53 man roster. On the PS for sure.
by BleedingBlueAndWhite on Aug 9, 2011 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions
The only two issue I see are QB and the right side of the line.
I don’t see how Painter loses the job. When Saturday and Wayne are lobbying every other day on his behalf, it will be difficult for him to lose the job. My biggest issue is, based on what I saw last year and what has been said this year, he cannot handle pressure. He’s fine until the pocket starts to break down then he gets happy feet and goes to shit.
As far as Ijalana at G and Diem at RT, I don’t see it. Everything I’ve read has said that Ben is backing up Diem and playing RT. I think they start Diem and hope Ijalana breaks into the starting lineup at some point this year. I know you hate Pollack, but the best bet is that McClendon and Reitz really show something and win the G spots. I also like the fact that Kirkpatrick is making a little noise. I would love for him to secure the backup C spot and have a shot of succeeding Saturday down the line.
by strandedincarolina on Aug 9, 2011 5:43 PM EDT reply actions
"Kirkpatrick making noise"
The reports from yesterday don’t quite add up. Saturday was back with the 1st team and Richard, who was relegated to 2nd team, got hurt at practice. Thus, Kirkpatrick got the nod to move up to 2nd team.
I hope there’s some promise there with Kirkpatrick, but I bet he’d be a PS-type guy this season.
QB
Manning is the QB, end of story. They don’t even care who is the backup and neither should we. If Manning goes down, the team should try to sign Favre or Warner as an emergency if the team still has SB aspirations or tank the season to get a good draft slot IMO.
I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.
that'd be pretty cool
if Saturday ends up being succeeded by another UDFA, especially if he turned out to be great too.
The Indianapolis Colts are going to be the 1st team to win a super bowl in their own stadium. 'nuff said.
by It'sAlways18 on Aug 10, 2011 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions
maybe I can't count,but . . .
. . . .I only come up with 52 names/players. BBS, who did I miss? Also, Mr. Pollak doesn’t make your squad, I see. And, I really like Kirkpatrick as Jeff Saturday’s “student”.
I found it, I found it . . .
. . . .there were 53 and I was too olde to see it. K. Going to put my head down now . . .
Nite. Very good Cabernet Savignon this evening, by the way. :-)
How has Delone Carter looked so far???
Have been a hardcore Colts fan since I was 6, recently found this site and love it. Was curious how he has looked in camp so far? Any info would be great, thanks!
id like to know too
loved Delone on the Orange, I think hes got a shot to really help this team out. We need a big bruising back!
I've heard good things
But not a lot other than the first couple practices.
Just to clear things up...
It’s pronounced “De-Loan”, right? Not like “De-Loan-E” or “De-Lon”?
welcome!
The Indianapolis Colts are going to be the 1st team to win a super bowl in their own stadium. 'nuff said.
by It'sAlways18 on Aug 10, 2011 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
I think
Sims I think will unseat Conner. Did u stick with Conner because of Sims injury or do u think Conner is better?
Just realized if PM has to have a quick release today
Due to poor blocking how Can we truly evaluate Painter. In a real game wouldnt you seem worse behind a poor line?
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by BobInBlue on Aug 9, 2011 7:13 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Breaking News!
Colts are signing former Bears G Josh Beekman. I know his agent, he just got off the phone with Bill Polian.
Josh played in the UFL last year but had some good years with the Bears. Hes a big kid too…I remember playing against him in high school! Glad hes gettin a shot in Indy
Maybe this is the end for Pollak or Devan??
To this, I ask the same question the worm does when sticking out a bird’s butt….
You wouldn’t shi* me would you?
Yea, I figured it was legit.
Just wanted to use the bird and worm joke.
by moocow on Aug 9, 2011 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
No but really,
let’s get a write up on this boy… man….man.
Sometimes this looks more like A) “what BBS would do if he was a GM” roster rather than B)“an early guess at what the Colts might actually do” I have no problem with either. Just don’t call something B when it is actually A.
As people above have pointed out:
1. Pollak will not be cut. He isn’t a great guard, but he has improved, and is still working under his rookie contract.
2. Curtis Painter will not be cut. Though I would say there is at least a very small chance of this.
3. Eric Foster IS a DT backup. He is not a Nose Tackle. But he is a backup DT.
by moocow on Aug 9, 2011 7:29 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
UFL folding
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aw thats too bad
I really enjoyed watching ALL FOUR teams they had…
The Indianapolis Colts are going to be the 1st team to win a super bowl in their own stadium. 'nuff said.
by It'sAlways18 on Aug 10, 2011 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions
jk hahaha
The Indianapolis Colts are going to be the 1st team to win a super bowl in their own stadium. 'nuff said.
by It'sAlways18 on Aug 10, 2011 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I think you're close, but I think it'll be
QB: Peyton Manning, Curtis Painter (time invested outweighing orlovsky being slightly better if at all)
RB: Joseph Addai, Donald Brown, Delone Carter, Chad Spann, Devin Moore
WR: Reggie Wayne. Pierre Garcon, Austin Collie, Anthony Gonzalez, Blair White
TE: Dallas Clark, Jacob Tamme, Brody Eldridge, Justin Snow
LT: Anthony Castonzo, Jeff Linkenbach
LG: Jacques McClendon, Josh Reekman
OC: Jeff Saturday, Jake Kirkpatrick
RG: Kyle DeVan, Mike Pollak
RT: Ben Ijalana, Ryan Diem
Offense: 26 players
RE: Dwight Freeney, Jerry Hughes
NT Antonio Johnson, Ricardo Mathews, Ollie Ogbu
UT: Fili Moala, Drake Nevis, Tommie Harris
LE: Robert Mathis, Jamaal Anderson
WILL: Kavell Conner, Erine Sims
MIKE: Gary Brackett, Cody Glenn
SAM: Pat Angerer, Philip Wheeler
CB: Jerraud Powers, Justin Tryon, Kevin Thomas, Jacob Lacey, Brandon King
FS: Antoine Bethea, Chris Rucker (still think he’ll move over to safety)
SS: Melvin Bullitt, Joe Lefeged
P: Pat McAfee K: Adam Vinatieri
Total: 27 players
26 on O, 27 on D = 53 total…those are my predictions
by LeftNutForAStarCenter on Aug 9, 2011 8:48 PM EDT reply actions
maybe they replace Phil Wheeler
with Tyjuan Hagler, or maybe Vuna Tuihalamaka impresses in his second stint at camp…
by LeftNutForAStarCenter on Aug 9, 2011 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions
?
why do you guys not have nevis and harris on your starter list what has Antonio did for us or mookie? we got nevis and harris for one thing and thats to clog up the middle.
neither of them plays NT
and so neither are listed as the starting NT. Antonio and Mookie are the same person.
Nevis and Harris are undertackles, the same position that Fili Moala plays
by LeftNutForAStarCenter on Aug 9, 2011 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions
lol your rite
i just would like to see harris and nevis on the line together man
by iluvthecolts on Aug 11, 2011 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions
?
McClendon before Devan, really? Unless he’s injured I’d be quite surprised if Sims doesn’t beat Conner to start, he’s a alot better.
My choice
QB: Peyton Manning, Curtis Painter (you know they will keep him if they didn’t keep Tom last year)
RB: Joseph Addai, Delone Carter, Donald Brown, Devin Moore
WR: Reggie Wayne, Pierre Garcon, Austin Collie, Anthony Gonzalez
TE: Dallas Clark, Jacob Tamme, Brody Eldridge
LT: Anthony Castonzo, Jeff Linkenbach
LG: Kyle Devan, Joe Reitz
OC: Jeff Saturday, Jacques McClendon
RG: Ben Ijalana, Mike Pollak
RT: Ryan Diem
RE: Dwight Freeney, Jerry Hughes
NT: Antonio Johnson, Ricardo Mathews
UT: Tommie Harris, Eric Foster, Fili Moala
LE: Robert Mathis, Jamaal Anderson
WILL: Ernie Sims, Kavell Conner
MIKE: Gary Brackett, Cody Glenn
SAM: Pat Angerer, Rookie
CB: Jerraud Powers, Kevin Thomas, Chris Rucker
CB: Justin Tryon, Jacob Lacey, Brandon King
FS: Antoine Bethea, Al Afalava
SS: Melvin Bullitt, Joe Lefeged
P/KOS: Pat McAfee
K: Adam Vinatieri
Kick and punt return is Devin Moore
PURDUE FANS
I’m so sick of the Purdue faithful making excuses and holding a roster spot for Painter. Get real guys……he’s not going to make it in the NFL, not even as a back up. He has had enough time to show what he can do and he never takes advantage of the opportunity. The Painter I see crumbles under pressure during pre-season games (even with the first team), imagine this guy leading you in week 1 regular season……..what a train wreck that would be. I would much rather move on with Orlovsky or get Nate Davis some time on the field and see what he can do.
Get over it Purdue Boys……..Painter won’t make this team.
by Blue Report on Aug 10, 2011 7:28 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Well, he's already made the NFL as a backup
and he’s probably not going anywhere. The Colts don’t carry backup QBs with the intent that they’ll ever see the field in meaningful action (not counting the horrible Jets debacle). They’ve accepted that if #18 goes down, it’s over, we’re screwed. So has it occurred to anyone that maybe Painter (like Jim Sorgi before him, but he got too expensive) is great at breaking down film and understanding the offense, etc.? Even if he can’t and will never be able to run the offense himself. I think the team sees the value in a backup QB in those “assistant” areas and doesn’t see the backup QB as someone who will ever take the field.
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by beasleymachine on Aug 10, 2011 7:51 AM EDT up reply actions
This^^
I think Painter brings a lot to the team. I’ll tell you one thing…the Colts will be a train wreck with any of the backups they have on the roster right now. I don’t think Wayne and Saturday are speaking on Painter’s behalf just to be nice guys…there is something there.
Anyway, lets hope we never have to find out.
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Really???
So your telling me we should accept Painter as the back up because if Peyton gets hurt the season is over and Painter is a great film guy???? Give me a break!!!!
We should never have the opinion that if Manning gets hurt the season is over – thats not acceptable. We should be prepared for the worse with the best possible backup we can have for the money we want to spend in that area. You must have a capable backup that could step in maybe not win you games but not loose you games. I’m not sure if that guy is currently on the roster or not but it sure isn’t Painter.
We are lucky to have not had to deal with Peyton being gone for an extended amount of time and I hope we never loose him for an extended amount of time but we must be prepared and I don’t think we have ever been prepared with our depth at QB.
I agree. We can find a guy that offers what Curtis does but can actually play the position better. I think it’s dumb to suggest that any professional team puts everything in one guy and not even attempt if he went down. I know a lot is riding on manning but with a competent back up we could win a few more games. It’s disrespectful to the rest of our players to think that they couldn’t.
Agree about painter,
..having the guy on the roster is idiotic, to put it mildly.
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