'Suck For Luck': Colts Bill Polian Scouted Andrew Luck This Past Weekend
#SuckForLuck
It's a hash that is slowly, but surely, trending on Twitter, especially when applied to the Indianapolis Colts. It started seeing more of it from fans after news of Peyton Manning's spinal fusion surgery broke.
The phase 'Suck for Luck' refers to a suggested plan of action: That the Colts tank the 2011 regular season on purpose so they can get the No. 1 overall pick and draft Stanford quarterback Andrew Luck in 2012.
Now, realistically, the Colts aren't going to lose on purpose. If they did, I think Commissioner Goodell would probably be none-too-pleased. Second, I don't know how any coach could ever win back the respect of his players, especially guys like Jeff Saturday and Dwight Freeney, if he told them to intentionally lose. So, unless Jim Caldwell is looking to get bat up by his players and then fired by his owner, the idea of 'Suck for Luck' as an actual strategy is silliness.
For those who are hoping the Colts will lose lots of games in 2011 despite their best efforts, take heart in knowing that the man who drafted Peyton Manning in 1998 is, at the very least, doing his due diligence in finding Peyton's eventual replacement.
From Peter King (thanks to reader PeytonIsGOAT)
...the fact that president Bill Polian was watching Stanford quarterback Andrew Luck play at Duke on Saturday is a harbinger of an autumn where the Colts will do due diligence on every quarterback that might come out in the draft next April.
Hmmmm. Maybe 'Suck for Luck' really is a strategy the Colts are implementing in 2011.
Now, obviously I'm being facetious when I joke that Bill Polian and Jim Caldwell are secretly working behind the scenes to under-cut the efforts of their players and lose a ton of football games in 2011. I don't think they are doing that, though, on some level, it would be very comical if they were. As with all players, I think ole Bill, who is newly liberated from the tedious day-to-day duties of running the team (having turned those over to his son, Chris) now has more time to scout players and evaluate them.
Thus, his scouting of Andrew Luck.
Comparisons to Manning were inevitable this year for Luck. Like Peyton, he decided to return his senior year and focus solely on football. In fact, Peyton even advised Andrew to do so. Luck is also a frequent visitor to Peyton's QB camp every July. So, already there is a bond between the two QBs.
And, like it or not, Luck will be considered 'the next Peyton Manning' when he is drafted next year. Whether he lives up to that awesome hype remains to be seen.
Already, after their Week 1 humiliation at the hands of the Houston Texans, which was one of the worst loses in Colts history, people are already writing that the Colts could be the NFL's version of the San Antonio Spurs, who famously faltered in 1997-1998 season after an injury to David Robinson and 'lucked' into the first overall pick the next year. That selection would be future Hall of Famer Tim Duncan.
That writers are already saying the Colts are in the 'Luck Sweepstakes' should give you all some idea just how poorly the Colts are thought of, sans Manning. And all the team did yesterday was reinforce the myth that the Colts are Peyton Manning,,, and pretty much just that. Peyton Manning, and nothing else.
And if this team is one of the worst in the NFL sans Manning, I don't know how that can reflect well on Bill Polian and his two kids that he has running the front office. But, you never know. And, if by some small miracle the Colts do have a chance to draft Andrew Luck, taking him would invest a ton of money into a player who, theoretically, will never play if Peyton Manning returns.
and should Peyton never play again, the Colts just gave him a $90 million dollar contract. As far as we know, there were no injury clauses in the contract. Hell, Peyton didn't even need to pass a physical after signing it. Even if Peyton never takes another snap, the Colts will still owe him $55 million.
Crazy, right?
So, even if the team does 'Suck for Luck,' they will still owe a lot of money (and cap space) to No. 18.
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Seriously...........
Even without Manning, I cannot believe the Colts would tank to get the first pick. That being said, I also don’t believe they are the worst team in the league without Manning. We all know there is talent on this team, and Collins sans fumbles did not play a bad game at all. Colts probably won’t make the playoffs, but I can see 3 – 13 either. If they want Luck, they will have to trade up to get him. JMHO.
agreed
The Indianapolis Colts are going to be the 1st team to win a super bowl in their own stadium. 'nuff said.
by It'sAlways18 on Sep 12, 2011 1:08 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
2 Questions
As I stated in a similar fan shot this morning…
1. the # 1 overall pick would command quite a chunk of the Salary Cap. Say goodbye to Reggie and/or Mathis, if we get Luck.
2. Luck would most likely have to sit behind Peyton for 4 years. Would Luck want to sit for 4 years? Would the Colts be OK paying that amount of $ to someone holding a clipboard for 4 years? Before you brng up Donald Brown or Jerry Huge Bust, remember that those two were late 1st round picks, not making close to what the # 1 overall pick would make.
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Yeah
it would turn in to a Favre – Rodgers situation. And Rodgers was a late 1st round pick.
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Great
as long as they can keep Reggie and Mathis. They’re going to command some BIG $. If they can fit those guys and Luck under the cap and improve other areas, that’s 1 question of my list…just don’t see it happening.
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Disagree completely
Actually, Reggie should not command BIG $ as you say. He’ll be turning 34 next season (turns 33 in november), and I would be shocked if the Colts threw a huge contract at him. Marvin Harrison’s last productive year was 2006, the year he turned 34. He was hurt the next year, but he was still never the same. Randy Moss was effectively not the same player anymore last year, the year that he turned 34. Terrell Owens’ last dominant season was 2007, though he was still pretty effective in 2008 when he was 34, but wasn’t the same afterward. Ochocinco was worth only a 5th and 6th pick, and will be 34 by the end of the season accepting a restructured contract for 3 years, worth $6 mil.
Point being, Wayne, who will be 33 at the end of this season, will not command a huge contract. Something in the area of of ~$20mil for 3-4 years structured in such a way that he gets money up front while not causing cap issues for the team should be enough to keep him, and if he demands a “BIG” $30+mil 5yr contract, I wouldn’t be surprised to see him walk. As sentimental as I am when it comes to Wayne, who I think has been such a leader and icon for this team, I just don’t think it makes sense for the team to give him a big contract into his late 30s where receivers simply aren’t productive.
Mathis on the other hand is only turning 31, and DEs tend to have more years of productivity in them, I wouldn’t be surprised if he gets a longer term (5yr) contract for relatively big dollars. However, outside of Mathis, we have no other FAs that will require big contracts and we would definitely be able to afford ~7mil cap hit from a guy like Andrew Luck.
These theories about “not being able to afford him” don’t make any sense. If the Colts end up drafting first, second or whatever, they’ll have to pay a player 1st/2nd overall money. It doesn’t matter whether they draft Andrew Luck or my left nut, they’re gonna have to pay top dollar.
by LeftNutForAStarCenter on Sep 12, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
so i guess
not really disagree completely. Just disagree about reggie haha
by LeftNutForAStarCenter on Sep 12, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
We'd likely lose some vets were it to happen, yes.
Gary Brackett can possibly be cut next year anyway – his contract is far too big, and Pat Angerer will hopefully be ready.
Which leaves one of Reggie or Mathis, in all likelihood. Then again, getting rid of Jerry Hughes, Anthony Gonzalez and Donald Brown would free up some cash.
Antoine Bethea - the most underrated safety in the NFL.
by Ben Savage on Sep 12, 2011 12:24 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Hughes, Gonzo and Brown are going to be signed to long term deals soon.
They clearly deserve it.
by Joseph* on Sep 12, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
No No No....
We need another pass rusher in next years draft. With the # 1 pick in 2012 draft the Indianapolis Colts take ……. defensive end from ……… You know how Polian thinks !!!!!
by MrBoJangles46 on Sep 12, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Based on Irsay's tweets
I am guessing that many of these veterans are released at the end of the season to try to get younger so to speak. My opinion is that Saturday is still serviceable but Brackett is overrated and always has been. Both can be upgraded and with good draft position the team can get some good talent to build on.
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It’s pretty sad that the Colt’s franchise is so completely dependant on near-perfect quarterbacking that the minute Manning goes down everything goes to crap and the team’s GM starting looking for the next QB to leach their success off of.
I’m sorry if that sounds cynical, but I just think it’s a crying shame that Manning has single handedly been winning games for the Colts for so long that they can’t operate without him. It sucks the worst for Manning. Imagine what he could have done if the Colts had put a real team around him. I’m just happy that he was able to win one. I have alot of respect for him… a once in a life-time player.
by BAL_Hawk on Sep 12, 2011 12:26 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
Unfortunately...
…you’re right.
If at first you don't succeed, quit and watch TV.
In the name of the Colts, the Hoosiers, and the Nebraska Cornhuskers. Amen.
by The Learned Hand on Sep 12, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Do an Eli and demand to go elsewhere.
"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West
If the Colts have the #1 pick
Pick Luck. Obviously.
1 – If Manning can’t return this year I doubt he will play out the rest of his contract.
2 – If Luck refuses to play for the Colts because he’d have to sit too long, they can trade him for multiple picks and still get Barkley or Jones.
I read that Polian's son
is Stanford’s special team coach. So, it might not have entirely been a scouting trip.
by prudence on Sep 12, 2011 12:40 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Exactly...
…let’s not all jump to conclusions.
If at first you don't succeed, quit and watch TV.
In the name of the Colts, the Hoosiers, and the Nebraska Cornhuskers. Amen.
by The Learned Hand on Sep 12, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
This is what I was going to say..
His kid lives and works on the west coast, I doubt Polian gets all that much opportunity to see him so when Stanford comes to the east coast, he’s gonna make a little extra effort to see his kid.
Also, Stanford has great prospects at WR, TE, offensive line and defensive back on top of QB so people need to relax with the “ZOMG HE WAS THERE TO ONLY SCOUT ANDREW LUCK AND NEVER TOOK HIS EYES OFF THAT CREEPY YET STRANGELY EPIC BEARD”.
This is true. His son is with Stanford.
It could also be a way for him to visit his son (maybe use Irsay’s jet) and expense the trip against the Colts. Visit son and watch Luck in person. Ideal trip
"Peyton Manning came to LA and didn't even call me"
Honestly...
…I would have rather had Andy Dalton this year, or Kellen Moore next.
If at first you don't succeed, quit and watch TV.
In the name of the Colts, the Hoosiers, and the Nebraska Cornhuskers. Amen.
by The Learned Hand on Sep 12, 2011 12:55 PM EDT reply actions
Poor for Moore?
I like Kellen Moore personaly. I think he offers a uniqueness and has one of the closest football minds to Peyton Manning. His dad is a football coach and it seems he engauphs himself in the playbook. Granted he isn’t Peytons size or stature by anymeans but the kid has what it takes to get the job done. If the Colt’s do have a bad season(I hope they DONT) there is no margin for error picking in the top 10. In recent years I find draft picks like Hughes and Brown some real head scratchers….I’ll end on this note. The rookie wage scale could be the key in us picking up a top 10 QB and not having to break the bank to do so. Example is Newton…4 year 22M…Bradford and Stanford were in the 60M range with 20M guarranteed. BIG difference and it helps a team like us IMO.
Great Point
…on the new rookie wage scale.
As far as Polian attending the Stanford game I don’t believe he was there for any other reason but to scout Luck. Sure he got to see other potential talent on that team but the trip was for Luck.
I still believe the Colts and Manning know more than they are saying at this point on Peyton’s injury and I believe Peyton himself is questioning a return.
Man, the Spurs 97 season was hard to watch.
We even brought the reanimated corpse of Dominique Wilkins in from Greece to help out. And Vernon Maxwell….oh, Vernon Maxwell….
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by Addai Another Aday on Sep 12, 2011 1:21 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
If the Colts end up in a spot to draft Luck...
They had better work out a great trade to receive many draft picks and / or proven veterans. They need starters at several positions before they start worrying about next season’s backup quarterback.
If the Colts pick #1
They will also pick #1 in the 2nd round, which is not that different from our previous 1st round picks. Either take Luck and then take a risk on a highly-skilled player that dropped for whatever reason (like Carols Dunlap from 2 years ago), or trade it to a QB-desperate team for their top 5 pick, their 2nd, and their 1st and 2nd rounders the next year.
Then just pick Barkley or Jones and have him sit for a few years at a lower cost and with more picks to invest in Manning’s final years.
Andrew Luck
did not come back for his senior year, he came back to school for his Redshirt Junior year.
I assume he did not return for the females at Stanford
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"Peyton Manning came to LA and didn't even call me"
Everyone who says "Suck For Luck". You are saying
Draft a QB when you’re O-line is doing poorly, you have a running game that may or may not be decent now. Your Defense is weak ( or just Lacey). Special Team..No Comment… Unless he is another Peyton Manning good luck him not looking as a bust unless you fix some things before he is ready.
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The OL is better than last season and isn't doing poorly
Collins regularly fails to step up. Running game got better average, than Texans run game and they are just starting to gel. D has potential with better coaching. ST has potential with better roster management and coaching
Does it count as Tanking?
If we simply suck enough while trying to get Luck? I’d like to see how bad we play if we tried to tank…
I looked at the Colts schedule. I only see 6 games they could win. Cleveland, Kansas City, Carolina, Tennessee, Jacksonville at home and the one road game is Cincinnati. But there is one problem they all have good running backs and the Colts cant stop the run. These teams also dont have to worry about the pass rush because they wont be forced to throw. Last year Kansas City, Tennessee, and Jacksonville all gave the Colts a tough time at Indy. I dont know why some of the fans want to go after Garrard, Favre, or Palmer they will not make a difference. If we do suck bad enough to get the first or second pick I have no problem with Andrew Luck or Landry Jones. He could learn behind the G. O. A. T.

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