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Jerry Hughes Peed On The Rug

Poor Jerry Hughes.

No, I mean it. Poor Jerry.

We've been beating up on him pretty much since last year this time, when he emerged from the 2010 training camp as anything but a player worthy of a first round pick. In October 2010, after Hughes had spent the first month of the 2010 season de-activated for reasons that had nothing to do with injury, we asked the question, 'Is Colts 2010 first round pick Jerry Hughes a bust?'

One year later, the answer is most certainly a Yes.

Of course, there are still a few silly people out there who think the TCU product just hasn't been given his fair chance. I imagine some of these same people would be posting billboards in Denver calling for Tim Tebow to start at quarterback if they were Broncos fans.

Much like Tebow, Jerry Hughes should never have been taken in the first round of the 2010 NFL Draft. Unlike Tebow, Hughes knows this. He knows he hasn't lived up to his billing and that he is, essentially, stealing money from the Colts right now. One year after spending all of September 2010 deactivated, Jerry started the 2011 season deactivated again. He did not dress for last week's game against the Texans, and Colts vice chairman Bill Polian's excuse for the deactivation was as lame as his efforts to shore up the back-up quarterback position this year.

Hughes is a bust, and he knows it. From Phil Wilson, speaking on Dan Dakich's radio show on WFNI in Indianapolis [emphasis mine]:

Wilson: It's like every time I see [Hughes], the head lowers and... he just looks like the puppy that peed on the rug in the corner, and you just, you don't even have to beat the snot out of him anymore because he knows he's been bad. I mean, I hate to describe it that way. It just doesn't look like he has any confidence at all. We were talking, the colleagues and I, about how one of us wants to go over there and throw him a token interview tomorrow, maybe, and just to see if it can get some life in him because... he knows. He does. He knows.

Dakich: What do you think he knows?

Wilson: He knows he does not have the confidence right now or faith in himself that he can be the player that's expected as a first round pick.

Aka, Jerry Hughes knows he's a bust.

But, unlike previous articles where I have laid all the blame at Jerry's feet, today I'm going to post that not all of this is Jerry's fault. In fact, much of it is not his fault. He may know he's a bust, but part of what has made this situation the disaster it is stems from the football operations folks (aka, Bill Polian and his kids) royally whiffing on their evaluation of Hughes' skills when they drafted him.

Star-divide

Much like I did in October of last year, I'm going to take you back to April 2010, when Bill Polian stood before the press after the Colts selected Jerry Hughes with the 31st pick in the 2010 draft.

Polian: We've been searching for the elusive 'third rusher' for a long time. And now we feel that [Hughes] can fill that bill.

Polian: We've said, seemingly forever, that the third rusher who can substitute for Dwight and Robert is something we have not had. And when Dwight and Robert were 100% healthy, the results spoke for themselves. When they've not been 100% healthy, the results have not been what we've wanted. So, that's the first priority. The third rusher has been a priority of ours, as I said, seemingly forever.

Polian: He gives us a lot of flexibility to create third down packages

Polian: He can put his hand down. He can stand up in the 'Joker' role. That's what he does. He's a pure pass rusher.

When asked a direct question about whether the Colts expected Hughes to contribute right away during his rookie year, Polian answered without hesitation:

Polian: Oh yeah. And he runs well enough that he'll be a force on special teams too, I would imagine.

One year later, Hughes can't even get on the field as a special teams contributor. He is, essentially, a wasted roster spot.

How is this possible? How can a guy with 4.56 40 speed not even be good enough to play special teams? How can a kid who had 11.5 sacks in 2009 at TCU not even sniff the quarterback in preseason games when he has third string tackles single-blocking him?

The answer might be that Hughes simply isn't a good fit for the Colts defense. And if that's the case, the fault isn't necessarily with Hughes. It's with the idiots who drafted him.

I've been seeing more of you readers writing about the possibility of the Colts switching to a base 3-4 defense. While the idea is intriguing, it simply is not practical. One, the Colts don't have a nose tackle, and without one a 3-4 defense is utterly useless. You might as well forfeit the downs on defense. A 3-4 D without a NT is a ship trying to dock without an anchor, or a car trying to stop sans breaks. Two, the Colts corners aren't good enough to consistently play man-to-man coverage, which is another requirement of most 3-4 bases. If one is blitzing linebackers, which is the only reason to run a 3-4, then that means fewer players are in coverage.

Thus, your corners better man-up, because zones don't work when one is blitzing, especially in today's pass happy NFL.

However, two people who would probably benefit most from a switch to a 3-4 are Jerry Hughes and 2008 draft bust Philip Wheeler. Wheeler, like Hughes, was a pass-rushing specialist in college at Georgia Tech. He was drafted in the third round in 2008 but, unlike Hughes, Wheeler was shifted to play SAM linebacker in a Tampa-2 defense. Rarely, if ever, do linebackers blitz in Tampa-2. Thus, the one skill Wheeler made a name for himself for at GT, pass rushing, has never been maximized. Instead, Wheeler has struggled to play coverage as a SAM. He's been benched twice in two years, and had it not been for a very strong preseason this year, he might have been cut from the team.

It was during preseason this year that we finally saw the Colts experiment with Wheeler as a stand-up rusher from the outside, and the results were very promising. Wheeler had two sacks in preseason, and when he rushed from the outside in a stand-up position, he always got near the quarterback.

During training camp this year, Stampede Blue's Matt Grecco noticed the Colts utilizing Hughes as a stand-up rusher in several scrimmages. like with Wheeler in preseason, the results were promising. Unlike Wheeler though, the Colts never experimented with Hughes as an outside rusher standing-up. In all four games, Hughes had his hand on the ground, and he looked slow and plodding when he rushed from that stance.

These observations from Matt, coupled with hughes looking awful in a two-point stance, got me wondering whether or not such limitations in his game were ever noted in pre-draft scouting reports back in 2010. So, I did some searching. Here's what I found.

Walter Football (who listed Hughes as an outside linebacker, not a defensive end)

Hughes earns my first-round, 4-star grade as a 3-4 rush linebacker. His athleticism and motor is simply too much for me to not grade him out higher than everyone else. He is my No. 1 3-4 outside linebacker in the draft and I expect his stock to soar among the 3-4 teams in the league. He was simply too productive at TCU, and despite his lack of height we can see what Elvis Dumervil did last season with his exceptional first step and speed off the edge. Hughes is a projected late-first to second-round pick, but could end up going in the top 25 picks when it's all said and done, much like Larry English.

Mocking The Draft

A good 3-4 outside linebacker option who may not be able to play anything else.

FFToolBox.com

Hughes will not fit into every NFL system. It has become quite clear that he is a linebacker who was an end in college. He simply lacks the size and strength to play at the end spot at the next level. That could slip him down into the early portion of the second round, but after a solid combine, Hughes is holding onto hopes of hearing his name called on the first day of the draft.

The Football Expert

He will most likely be a 3-4 rush OLB in the NFL. One of my main concerns with Hughes is that he relies mainly on beating offensive lineman with his speed. In the NFL he will be facing lineman that are a lot quicker than the competition he faced in college; his speed will not be as effective.

Draft Board Insider

Reminds me of: LaMarr Woodley, OLB Pittsburgh Steelers-Same body type, same college experience, and same explosive nature that so Woodley has translated very well to his new position.  Honestly, I think Hughes has a chance to be much better.

As you can see, when you go back and read almost every scouting report on Hughes prior to the 2010 Draft, everyone was saying Hughes was a better fit as a 3-4 outside backer, not as a starting defensive end.

Now, if 'amateur' scouts like my buddy Dan Kadar at MtD are noticing Hughes' limitations as a DE, and his enormous potential as a 3-4 backer, the Colts front office had to see it as well. And if they did, why did they waste a first round pick on him?

Did they think they could 'teach' him how to rush from the two-point stance?

Did they think his speed would just naturally translate to playing DE in a Tampa-2?

If so, that suggests that the Colts might have seen Hughes as a 'project player.' In fact, Phil Wilson of the Star called him one yesterday:

We can agree he's a project, or some people think he's a project...

Here's my thought on this, and I'll try and keep this subtle:

WHY THE F*CK WOULD YOU WASTE A FIRST ROUND PICK OF A 'PROJECT' PLAYER!

OK, not so subtle, I admit. But, the question is still very valid.

For an organization that avoids free agency as if it were leprosy, why invest a precious, late-first round pick on a project player that may or may not develop. With first rounders, a team like the Colts should not be looking for 'projects.' They should be looking for future starters.

Project players, like Pierre Garcon, can be found in later rounds. Heck, I'll even let Wheeler go as a 'project' third rounder. But a first rounder? A 'project' first rounder? On a team that, just two months prior to the NFL Draft, was called out by Bill Polian himself for being poor along the offensive line?

I mean, to some extent, I'm willing to yield the often lazy 'hindsight is 20-20' excuse for draft incompetence, but in this case it's pretty unacceptable. The Colts came off a Super Bowl where their o-line was criticized by Polian himself. It's clear they'd given up on Tony Ugoh by that point, and Mike Pollak had lost his job to an undrafted rookie, Kyle DeVan. When the 31nd pick came up for the Colts, sitting there were  solid prospects like Rodger Saffold from Indiana and Vladamir Ducasse from UMass. Also sitting there was Brian Price, a 6'1, 303 pound DT from UCLA.

All four of those guys were solid prospects, not 'project' players. If you don't believe me, look at the scouting reports pre-draft (Saffold, Ducasse, and Price). Like with all prospects, there are certainly questions and issues with each player, but none were viewed as needing a position change in the pros (unlike Jerry Hughes). Maybe you could argue Ducasse (possible shift from tackle to guard), but he has already won the starting RT spot in New England, and we've all saw him play well when he blocked Robert Mathis in New England last year. (Editor's Note: Yeah, I got Ducasse confused with Patriots lineman Sebastian Vollmer because... I don't know, I suck, or something. But, regardless of this screw-up, Ducasse is still a better prospect than Hughes. --bbs)

Again, all these players (cited solely for comparison to the 'project' player in Hughes) were viewed as solid prospects at their respective positions, and all have turned into quality starters one year later, with Saffold being the best of the three.

For many mock drafts at the time, folks did not see Saffold getting past Indianapolis. When I spoke to NFL Network's Mike Mayock before the draft in 2010, that's exactly what he told me:

I don't think Saffold gets past Bill Polian at 31, and he might go earlier.

In those same mocks, a 3-4 teams like New England or Arizona were the one many thought Hughes would go to. Yet, despite Hughes being scouted as a college DE who fit best as a 3-4 outside rusher, the Colts (who run a base 4-3 Tampa-2 defense) drafted Hughes in the first round.

Now, the reason I've written all this background material is that, when you take a step back and look at Hughes and how he was viewed at that time, it really made absolutely ZERO sense for the Colts to take him.

Sure, on a superficial level, it was a move that was cheered. I know I was happy. But, when you looked a little deeper, the 'fit' just didn't make sense. Hughes is a square peg, and the Colts have used the last two years to fit their defense, which is littered with round holes. What is so frustrating about it is that folks like Dan Kadar saw the limitations of Hughes' game when translated to an NFL 4-3. Thus, if he saw it, the Polians had to see it as well.

And yet, they drafted him anyway... with a first round selection.

Again, this is a franchise trying to win a Super Bowl. It already has established 'stars.' Yet, despite their star power, their weaknesses were along the offensive line and the defensive tackle position. And with several solid o-line and DT prospects sitting there at pick No. 31, they opted for a 'project' player, a 3-4 linebacker that they felt could be taught to rush the passer from the two-point stance at the NFL level.

This is the kind of stupid move you'd expect from Matt Millen, not Bill Polian. It seems so amateurish now, so 'WTF were you thinking?' Yet, there it is. And it doesn't take 20-20 vision or hindsight to see it. It was a 'WTF' move then just as it is now.

Knowing this, it might be best to ease off on Jerry Hughes from now on. It's clear he doesn't fit with this team, and the Colts whiffed badly when they drafted him. It's the kind of mistake that puts a big dent in the supposed 'genius' of the Polian System of drafting players.

Maybe the positive here is Hughes might have some trade value to a 3-4 team looking for a rusher. However, who would trade for him, and, more importantly, why would they trade for him? Teams know the Colts are fed up with Hughes, and they know Hughes doesn't fit their defense. It's only a matter of time before the Colts are forced to give up on him, and at that point teams can just sign Hughes for peanuts rather than trade anything for him.

The bottom line here is the Colts front office really botched this pick big time, and the failure of Jerry Hughes (who is a good kid who works hard) to develop might not be Jerry Hughes' fault. Bill Polian always loves to dismiss critics who say he should do this or that, saying such suggestions are not good 'fits' for the Colts.

Well, Jerry Hughes was a pretty bad 'fit' from the beginning.

He's also the third first round pick in a row that Bill has busted since 2007. If Bill were anyone else in this league, he'd have been fired by now for busting that many first rounders. Hindsight may indeed be 20-20, but THE reason Bill Polian pulls in a seven figure salary is that, when applied to his decisions, hindsight is supposed to make him look brilliant, not an 'amateur.'

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random comment about how everything BBS posts is negative.

Now that that’s out of the way. Is this guy worth anything as a trade to someone? What can be done to make even a small batch of lemonade from this lemon?

by tapper on Sep 16, 2011 2:47 PM EDT reply actions  

My guess is most teams wouldn't be high on a guy like Hughes

Who has put hot garbage on film every chance he got. I’m not saying he couldn’t be an asset to some team, I’m just saying it’d be a tough sell.

by DeepThought on Sep 16, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

I will laugh if he gets picked up and does well at another team once the Colts cut ties with him. I really hope he does do well.

by tapper on Sep 16, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow

He thinks its rough here, imagine if he played for the Jets/Giants/Cowboys etc etc (teams with SERIOUS media coverage)?? Grow up Jerry and make some damn plays!! Or get the hell out of town

by bigpony on Sep 16, 2011 2:55 PM EDT reply actions  

if he did play for the jets or cowboys he'd "fit"

"It's ludicrous these mortals even attempt to enter my realm!" - Mike Tyson.

by Jfoley17 on Sep 16, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

4.56 FOURTY?

Hell, put him at safety. Grow him some dreads and call him Double Bob Sanders.

by tim55 on Sep 16, 2011 3:02 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

We need a gathering of Ugoh, Brown and Hughes.

Some sort of documentary on life as a bust.

by Joseph* on Sep 16, 2011 3:03 PM EDT reply actions   3 recs

The rug is BBS's

Someone made a brain surgery and actually stuck the rug in his brain.

by blacktobias on Sep 16, 2011 3:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Ayrshire

I scrolled down and read everyones post on this blog…I knew it was your post before I had even scrolled down far enough to see your nametag.

Dude, its pretty sad that you are basically BBS Jr

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by dezznutz1001 on Sep 16, 2011 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's pretty sad that

you have to be you. If you can’t handle the truth, go to another blog, douchbag.

by Ayrshire on Sep 16, 2011 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

What's a douchbag?

Is it anything like a douchebag?

"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West

by ISN on Sep 17, 2011 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

So, I didn't proofread. Sue me.

Isn’t there a Texans or Jets blog you can go troll?

by Ayrshire on Sep 17, 2011 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

The dude has some speed. Why not try him out at LB, where we are kinda thin at the moment.

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by Bronn on May 17, 2011 4:56 PM EDT

by Sparhawk on Sep 16, 2011 3:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Might as well.

Sims and Bracket out. Is Wheeler that much better? Problem is that Hughes, presumably, hasn’t had any playing time at LB so it would be a mess.

by ActionOxford on Sep 16, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

We’ve had some rough drafts, and Peyton has been able to compensate for so many deficiencies on offense and defense.

This year’s draft was a big step in the right direction. Colts brass better start building a quality team and stop relying so much on Manning. I do believe we are, but the 2012 draft will really show if we’ve learned anything or not. If we get a top pick, I’d go after Matt Kalil with a fervor and focus put a big focus on defense. Shore up the O-Line is #1 priority.

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by Bronn on May 17, 2011 4:56 PM EDT

by Sparhawk on Sep 16, 2011 3:22 PM EDT reply actions  

The team needs a solid free agent for each bust.

by tapper on Sep 16, 2011 3:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Error in article

Ducasse never played for New England, he was drafted by the Jets. He is a good run blocking right tackle but not a great pass blocking one. But when all the Jets had to do was run vs the Colts in the playoff game, of course, he was going to do well vs Mathis. Mathis is one of the terrible run defenders on our team due to which we brought Brayton and Anderson as run down DEs but lo behold, the first half of the Texans we do not use Brayton and Anderson and we suffer. The second half, the run D from the DE position improved, no wonder and Mathis was able to come back on passing downs and wreak the havoc again.

Sebastian Vollmer is the RT for New England and when he got injured, his place has been taken by rookie Nate Solder that we saw on MNF.

by chad72 on Sep 16, 2011 3:32 PM EDT reply actions  

I knew he was a JET

Is VLAD even starting? I know he wasnt last year…maybe he came on at the end of the season or the play-offs.

as for Why did we nto use Brayton Anderson combo with Simms liek they did on pre-season?

F*ck if I know.

BBS wants to blame Polianon this that is fine…Polian has admitted he shoulda picked Saffold but he stil had tath Pressure-less 2nd half of teh Super Bowl LOSS still fresh in his mind.

In my mind the coaching staff shares equal blame. They should get a fair share of the blame for not being able to develop these players, and for not being able to adjust their schemes to fit these players strengths.

We should also place a lil blame on Bill Parcells for talking Cameron Wake out of signing with us. If Wake had came here their would be no jerry hughes and quite possibly, a 2nd Super Bowl victory for the Colts

But thats life

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by dezznutz1001 on Sep 16, 2011 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Rams got 2 players I wanted the Colts to have

We should have gotten Lauranitis instead of Donald Brown, then we could have easily let go of Brackett by now and could have paired him up with Angerer for a nice young LB corp.

We should have gotten Saffold instead of Jerry Hughes, then we could have moved CJ to right tackle and Ryan Diem to OG last year and been more effective on the running front and pass protection front.

If Donald Brown had not sucked, we would not have to re-sign Addai at a premium and draft another RB, Delone Carter, to compensate for DB’s lack of production.

The list goes on. For a team that relies solely on the draft and avoids free agency, yes, the drafts since 2007 have hampered this team.

Pollak, Justice and Richard – 2 are no longer on the team and the other one is constantly riding the bench.

Our O-line drafting record is nothing short of atrocious. The Saints, with their new GM Mickey Loomis (I think I got his name right) in about 5-6 years of O-line drafting, have outdone the mighty Polians’ work over a decade on the O-line front, easily.

2007-2010 looked like the odds had to be evened out w.r.t Polian’s hits. Great <= 2006, Below Average >= 2007, so the overall score for Polian in the Manning era is just Good. Hopefully 2011 bucks the trend and I can definitely see that happening but till we get caught up with the misses of our recent drafts, it might be prudent to play free agency for a year or two since we are a team built to win now, as long as Peyton is playing and cannot wait till the erosion of skill level of players like Wayne, Clark and Freeney who will be approaching the wrong side of 30 in a few years, IMO.

by chad72 on Sep 16, 2011 3:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Maybe Mickey Loomis is better

Jahri Evans lead the league in holding penalies last year..he had 2 against the Pack in Week 1

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by dezznutz1001 on Sep 16, 2011 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

They have Carl Nicks too

Carl Nicks is another Pro Bowl OG they have too. He is no slouch either.

The Saints’ O-line basically threw Polian’s theory in the water that we do not need O-linemen like the big ones that the 49ers have, it is only partly true. The Saints’ O-line, combined with Brees’ quick release (we have a QB of our own who does better than that and does not run around for bootlegs and get killed :-)), have shown that you can have bigger guards like a run blocking O-line of the 49ers and still pass protect. The DTs are bigger and with more teams moving to a 3-4 or having bigger NTs, if you want to win one-on-ones in the trenches, the guards have to be bigger. Maybe not 340 lbs but 320 lbs is a good start, that is why having Joe Reitz at LG and Ryan Diem at RG is a step in the 320 lb direction, and has shown slightly better push so far, IMO.

by chad72 on Sep 16, 2011 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was referring...

…to the Polian show where he was referring to the size of O-linemen.

by chad72 on Sep 16, 2011 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ron Meeks

For all the grief Ron Meeks took, his defenses produced better numbers vs the the pass than Coyer, and he did not hide in a booth like Coyer, he was out there on the field. Dungy’s background as a defensive back also helped our DB play, and of course it was better when Leslie Frazier was our DB coach :-(. The one year that Ron Meeks got decent DTs (Pitcock and Big Ed), our D was a top 5 D in the league with middle of the road numbers vs the run and top of the league numbers vs the pass. If not for Freeney going down that year, we could have done something special in 2007, not let Billy Volek with a cushy pocket carve us.

Coyer believes in bigger DTs but cannot coach DBs right (or his position coaches cannot). I don’t think Coyer is an upgrade over Ron Meeks, after having seen enough of him. The Denver fans were right, Coyer comes in like a savior since his system will be slightly different than what you have had before and once other teams get a whiff of his system and enough film of it, Coyer does not make the adjustments well enough while other teams do. That is what we are seeing now.

by chad72 on Sep 16, 2011 3:48 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Now now -

I remember reading this blog when Meeks was around and people were demanding for his head. “Why doesn’t he blitz??” and “They won’t get rid of him cause he’s Dungy’s friend!” -

by buymymonkey on Sep 16, 2011 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

i agree and we don't tackle

anymore they use to swarm to the ball four or five guys hitting u

by silverback85 on Sep 17, 2011 5:21 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Bluestampede has an infatuation with Jerry Hughes

I don’t know what it is with this site’s editor, but any…literally any chance he can get to bash Jerry Hughes, he cakes it on. Honestly, the only articles I expect to read anymore on this website are “Cut Jerry Hughes!”. “I say we cut him!” It just sounds very ignorant.

Jerry Hughes may very well be a bust. He may eventually go to a 3-4 system and be a pretty good stand up rushing linebacker. However, it IS only his second year here..so regardless the Colts OWE it to themselves to find out if he can make that kind of production here. It doesn’t make me a blinded homer because I believe that players can improve or get better. If this were his fourth year, and it was the same old, same old…then yes, it’s time for the Colts to cut ties. However, it’s still laughable how upset this guy got over us cutting John Chick. I’d rather keep this guy on the roster than some fodder 5th DE, anyone who thinks otherwise has no idea of the concept of player development and the law of returns.

by FreeneyTime93 on Sep 16, 2011 4:07 PM EDT reply actions  

C’mon, you have to admit that he must suck a little if he can’t get on ST. & our special teams sucks!

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by Bronn on May 17, 2011 4:56 PM EDT

by Sparhawk on Sep 16, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I’m not saying he is a bust just yet, but he sure is looking like one.

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by Bronn on May 17, 2011 4:56 PM EDT

by Sparhawk on Sep 16, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes not looking good

Polian has not been good the last few years on high picks too many wasted picks HE USED TO BE GOOD, but that does not give him a pass in my book he gets the big bucks to be good every year!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by OBGYNOSUPREME on Sep 16, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

and he got outplayed by John Chick

in pre- season just like DeVan outplayed Richard and Pollack

by OBGYNOSUPREME on Sep 16, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

When is the trading deadline?

I have said that Hughes is not a good fit in a 4-3 scheme, and that maybe a team running a 3-4 might have a run of injuries and look to trade for Jerry. Having said that, a guy with his speed and size combo and can’t even contribute on special teams? I dunno . . . .maybe a good college player who’s talents just don’t translate well to the NFL in ANY scheme. Not a very astute piece of talent evaluation by our talent evaluators, for certain.

by oldecoltsfan on Sep 16, 2011 4:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Polian messed up

we could have used an O Lineman or a DT with that pick,, he couldn’t even make that tackle in the Jets playoff game last yr on the last kickoff return

by OBGYNOSUPREME on Sep 16, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Colts will waive Jerry Hughes next year and he will immediately be picked up by the NYJ and Rex Ryan will turn him in to decent player. The biggest mistake was not taking Saffold. The Colts could have had Saffold at LT and Castonzo at RT and then put Ijalana at one of the guard spots. Bill Polian is past his prime as a talent evaluator. One question I have is why the Colts dont draft a decent kick returner. Peyton would be even more deadly with better field position instead of always starting at the 20 yard line. The Colts could have drafted Randall Cobb.

by SRBradford on Sep 16, 2011 4:53 PM EDT reply actions  

exactly

and Safford played at IU they had plenty of opportunities to see him play live instead of on tape and look what Ted Ginn did last week, he broke open a tight game

by OBGYNOSUPREME on Sep 16, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Phins messed up with him

they tried to make him into a receiver, he is worth a spot cause he can kickoff and return punts

by OBGYNOSUPREME on Sep 16, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

well

they messed up by taking him so damn high. It was the Devin Hester phenomena from 2006. I thought he would go early 2nd rd at best.

by Revenge of the Fallen on Sep 17, 2011 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wouldn't have gotten Costanzo

If they had Saffold, they wouldn’t get Costanzo because they would have already had a LT. Maybe Ijalana to be RT, though, but wouldn’t be any better off though because Ijalana hasn’t cracked the starting line either.

The issue, to me, is that they never used 1st round picks on DTs or LBs to stay strong on the front 7…now we are stuck with an undersized group that is aging and continually getting injured and forcing DBs and safeties to get injured while cleaning up the plays that the D line and LBs couldnt make.

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by AceOfSpades on Sep 17, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Castonzo is rare

He is a Rhodes Scholar nominee who scored a 41 on the Wonderlic test. Peyton scored a 27 I think on the test. Which means he is extremely smart and could pick up the playbook quickly. What hindered Ijalana and most of the rookies in the NFL was the lockout. The hardest positions to learn as a rookie is QB and offensive line.

by SRBradford on Sep 16, 2011 5:05 PM EDT reply actions  

D-line is tough too, usually taking 2-3 years.

by TrueBlue87 on Sep 16, 2011 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

D-Line is NOT that tough

How the saying go..the smart guys play O-line, the dumb guys play D-line…

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by dezznutz1001 on Sep 16, 2011 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think they should start bill p. at rg and chris p. at lg

by blue hawg on Sep 16, 2011 6:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Seriously?

"If they want me to be a crazy, emotional, frenzied fan in section 603, then they can't expect me to be reasonable about the business of football"

by indylator on Sep 16, 2011 10:11 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Hughes is by far the least culpable

He did not ask to be drafted in the first round, and when he was, it was the coaching staff’s responsibility to put him in a position to succeed. If he sucks, he sucks, but it is not his fault that he is a “first round” bust. That is at the Polians’ doorstep.

by MadStork on Sep 16, 2011 10:47 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

so he hasn't played well, so he fuckin' mopes about it?

and all this bullshit about how it’s Polian’s fault, is just that, bullshit. Hughes is a man, and if he want’s to stay in this league he’s going to have to sack up and play better.

Whenever you get stressed, always remember: RDWHAHB

by danorocks17 on Sep 16, 2011 11:45 PM EDT reply actions  

What pisses me off

is the whole “we do what we do” philosophy of the Colts that started with Dungy. We have a system that the coaches seem absolutely unwilling or incapable of deviating from no matter the circumstances. So when we draft players that have talent but turn out to not fit the system perfectly, they’re busts — not because they suck necessarily, but because they don’t have a role that suits their abilities. Others have pointed out different ways to use Hughes that might be successful — Joker, hell why not at least try him at SS with his 4.56 speed? Same with Donald Brown: there was a great FanPost about ways to get him the ball that could exploit his strengths, but the Colts never get creative with him. It seems to me that when we’re faced with talented but underachieving players like Hughes and Brown we have two choices: be creative in finding ways to make adaptations to incorporate their talents, or let them sit on the bench and waste a roster spot. And it seems to me that the Colts are all too often content to choose the latter.

Nothing's complicated if you understand it.

by ctnyc on Sep 17, 2011 12:07 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

While looking at his game, he would fit 3-4 OLB more

Those draft sites consider every 6’2 – 250 DE an OLB. Not skill set, but size matters to them. So it’s not “I told you so.”

by Ty46 on Sep 17, 2011 3:27 AM EDT reply actions  

Super great column

finally something more than conjecture and observations and tweets to read

by Wade V on Sep 17, 2011 9:45 AM EDT reply actions  

So Wilson and his girlfriends were talking in the corner about the puppy across the room.......

……… and then they realized that he is 6’2" and 255 lbs of lean athletic muscle, so they decided not to go engage him in some tough questions.

"If they want me to be a crazy, emotional, frenzied fan in section 603, then they can't expect me to be reasonable about the business of football"

by indylator on Sep 17, 2011 11:09 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

This is, without a doubt

the single dumbest blog title I have ever seen. Sorry BBS, like your stuff a lot, but yikes. Good analysis tho…

by BenD on Sep 17, 2011 1:14 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

IMO

The problem with the 2007-2010 drafts have been the Polian’s attempts at finding carbon copy replacements of current Colts. Some examples include Stockley for Gonzo, Terrik- Ugoh, Saturday- Pollack, Addai- Brown, Mathis- Hueghes. Although it is logical to look for the same characteristics, intangibles play such a large role in the success of a player it is silly to assume just b/c Heughes is built like Mathis he will be successful also. A quote from Bill that supports my theory is when he said “Gonzo looks like a Colt” what does that mean? Just b/c he is 6’ feet 170 pounds and white he will be the next Brandon Stockley?
I know the Colts have a blue print on how to build a team but I think we have realized how flawed that blue print really is. I feel like the Polians are desperately trying to hold onto this outdated blue print on how to build a team and spot players. Just b/c we have always had a lousy defense, it does not mean we should continue to have one.

by BleedBluenWhite on Sep 17, 2011 2:32 PM EDT via mobile reply actions   1 recs

right

he has underperformed badly with his drafting and now the Colts are paying the price,, and if it is true about Hughes- it is a sad day when a pro athlete lacks confidence( even if he is not good) because if he does then he is done

by OBGYNOSUPREME on Sep 17, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shocker...

…I haven’t been here in about a week. I bring up the sight and the lead article is about how Jerry Hughes is a bust and Polian sucks as a GM. I think those points have been the consistent theme of this blog…redundant anyone????

"Winning isn't everything, but it beats anything that comes in second."

--Paul "Bear" Bryant

by BigBlackRichard on Sep 17, 2011 6:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Hugues just doesn't look like a NFL player

Before the snap, Hughes looks like a timid high school player who has just learned how to line up in a 3-point stance. Then the ball is snapped & he belly-bumps against whoever is lined up across from him. He almost seems to avoid any violent physical contact as much as he can. Maybe we’re just spoiled by watching Freeney & Mathis spin, bull-rush, dive, leap, scratch, claw, do whatever it takes to get to the QB. Then #92 enters the game & slow dances with the closest blocker while the other 20 players actually play football & hit somebody.

After reading Phil Wilson’s description of Hughes in the locker room, I start to understand even more— Jurry Hughes knows he is a fraud & way out of his league. But he got a good education at TCU so he will do just fine in his real career outside of football.

by slice60 on Sep 17, 2011 7:11 PM EDT reply actions  

How about some creativity?? Or even some creative copying??

Teams all over the league are now mixing 4-3 and 3-4 looks and zone blitzes, etc. If the Colts defensive coordinator can’t find a way to try to use the kid’s considerable talents, that is a pretty strong statement about the over-predictability and narrowness of the scheme they are running. If this defense was dominating, no one would care. But the defense is mediocre, at best. If they can’t find a place to try to use a high draft pick in a mediocre defense, then you they are failing.

by MichColtFan on Sep 18, 2011 12:34 AM EDT reply actions  

well mich

the guy isnt even good enough to play special teams. let me spell this out for you. a first round pick cant make the special teams squad on the colts. the colts special teams have sucked since 1776

  the coaches may suck but they are not failing hughes. that guy is a huge failure on his own.

by omahacolt on Sep 18, 2011 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

i kinda forget that there were 22 other players

who start for the colts. Do hughes and brown suck? of course. but they are no factor tomorrow so lets talk about the players on the field….espn reported mathis is questionable tomorrow but no word here about that……for shame

by 5.56 InYoFace on Sep 18, 2011 1:13 AM EDT reply actions  

Polian is a fucking idiot

Even if Hughes wasn’t a bust, it would still have been the wrong pick – Saffold should have been picked

Manning is our best player…protecting him has to be the #1 priority

Turn Hughes into a LB – at least he might do something then

by manningtoharrison on Sep 18, 2011 2:56 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

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