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2011 NFL Week 2 Recap: Browns 27, Colts 19

Put a fork in them. These 2011 Colts are done.

Sure, I could subscribe to the power of positive thinking and tell you everything is 'correctable' and that all this club needs to do is focus on 'the little things' in order to get better. In many circumstances, I do subscribe to that line of thinking. But, after watching my team get, essentially, manhandled at home by the Cleveland Browns, it's obvious the problems this franchise has to deal with are by no means 'little.'

The reality is this is simply not a good football team, and we Colts fans are in for a long, painful season.

The question that I am now focused on is not whether this team will make the playoffs, because they won't. 0-2 teams don't often make the post-season, and 0-3 teams (which the Colts will become next week when the Steelers destroy them at home) never make the playoffs.

No, the question I am asking is how many 'Colts fans' will bother to stick around this year? How many fans will tolerate the bad football that was on display yesterday?

As I have often said around here, Hoosier support for a professional team is never unconditional. Just ask the Indiana Pacers. The only teams that get unconditional support from Indiana fans are college and high school teams. With pro teams, they have to be good for people to consider spending their money on. Our market is a 'bandwagon' market, a 'flaky' market.

And you know what, that's not a bad thing.

Star-divide

I won't focus much on why this team isn't good. We all know Jim Caldwell is a pretty terrible coach, and seems unqualified for the job he has. Hell, the Indianapolis Star is now openly questioning his qualifications. We also know that, for the last four years, this front office has been living off reputation rather than results. Busting three drafts in four years has finally caught up with them, combined with Bill Polian's utter refusal to sign veteran free agents.

This isn't a talented team, and many of the players the Colts considered 'good' and worth keeping simply aren't. I'll state the obvious and say that it's kind of the primary job of a front office to know who is good and who isn't. When a front office can't make that determination anymore, then they suck at their job.

But, whatever.

We've been saying this for two years now, and like Electra (Greek tragedy, not Daredevil's girlfriend) our warnings were ignored because people don't like hearing things are going down the crapper. Peyton Manning, who could win the MVP this year and not play a down, glossed over many of the flaws this franchise had. I take no comfort in 'I told you so.' Being wrong when one calls out the idiocy of their favorite team's front office is much more preferable than being right. 

If you are now so abjectly depressed that you're hanging a rope over a ceiling beam, take heart in these few positives from the Cleveland game:

  • Anthony Castonzo is a good left tackle to build the offensive line around. He's played well his first two games, and might be (as a rookie!) the best offensive lineman the Colts currently have.
  • The Colts focused on stopping the run and running the ball. For the most part, they did stop the run, limiting Cleveland to 3.1 a carry. That stat loses it's meaning, however, when you watch the game and see the defense choke in the final minutes, allowing Peyton Hillis to rip off a 24-yard TD run to effectively ice the game. But, limiting a team like Cleveland to 3.1 a carry is a start. The question is, can they build from it.
  • Delone Carter is a good back. 46 yards on 11 carries. He's so much more than a 'goal-line' back. It's pretty obvious why he is playing more than Donald Brown.
  • I don't think it was a coincidence that the run defense improved with Gary Brackett out and Pat Angerer in at MIKE linebacker. Angerer had 8 tackles yesterday and a forced fumble. Angerer already has 21 combined tackles in just two games.
  • Dwight Freeney is still a frightening pass rusher.
  • Adam Vinatieri is back to his 'money' self. Nailing that 53-yarder showed he can still hit big FGs from long distances.

So, while this team is currently on a path to anywhere from one-to-four wins, there is still some talent here. Not much, but some. For me, the true issues that Jim Irsay needs to address are the front office and the coahcing staff. Even if Peyton Manning were 100% healthy, this team, as constructed, is not winning a Super Bowl anytime soon. Not with Jim Caldwell coaching. Not with Bill Polian and his kids running the front office as is. The same problems that have plagued this franchise and hindered it's ability to become truly 'great' are now keeping it from being relevant in general:

  • Defensive tackle play is a joke.
  • The offensive line is a mish-mash of old, past-their-prime veterans and undrafted nobodys who probably don't even make the practice squad for other teams.
  • Secondary is putrid, in particular cornerback Jacob Lacey. Starting him over Justin Tryon only reinforces the increasingly growing sentiment that Jim Caldwell is incompetent.
  • Neglecting the back-up QB position for years is biting this club in the butt, big time.

If you watched last night's Eagles v. Falcons game, you saw a completely unknown kid from Northwestern (Mike Kafka) step in for Michael Vick and nearly win a game on the road. I watched Kafka's play, and I was shocked this guy was a second year player. It was clear Philly (who drafted him in the fourth round of the 2010 NFL Draft) had invested in him because of his talent, and had worked to get him ready in the event their franchise QB (Vick) couldn't play.

In all the Colts preseason games I've watched, and I've watched them all since 2007, I never saw Jim Sorgi or Curtis Painter play as well as Kafka played last night.

Going forward, as we slog through what looks to be a season on par with the early-1990s Colts, I truly wonder how many Colts 'fans' will bother sticking around and watching this collection of over-rated talent stink up Lucas Oil Stadium.

You remember Lucas Oil, right? The stadium that the taxpayers of Indianapolis forked over 85% of the $720 million dollar construction budget. Maintaining the stadium costs $27.7 million. Taxpayers pay for that too.

Many fans know these numbers, and have them clearly in mind, when they buy tickets at $300 a pop to watch games. This is why people were so angry two years ago when the Colts rested starters against the Jets. People paid good money for those tickets, and Bill Polian and his stooges didn't care one lick.

With the poor public relations between the Colts and fans, coupled with the crippling economic conditions crushing the Midwest, it's hard to imagine many people still forking over time and money to watch a Manningless Colts team. Again, as previously stated, I don't hold it against fans if they tune out a bad team. It's management's job to make the team, you know, worth the time of the customers (aka, the fans). If they don't, then the fans will find other things more worthy of their time. Management might take this as a 'betrayal,' but they are in no place to whine, cry, or get indignantly angry. Their job is to make the team good, and if they can't do that, then someone else should have their job.

Indiana fans are not loyal to incompetence. They do not reward losing, especially when they are forking over $720 million.

For me, and for my writers here, we'll keep on keepin' on. Blogging about the Colts is a labor of love, and as we always say, the Colts are bigger than Bill Polian. They are bigger than Peyton Manning. In many ways, they aren't even 'owned' by Jim Irsay. Oh sure, he may have the title 'CEO' and he gets all the profits, but the people fronting the bill for the team to play in Indianapolis are Hoosiers. Fans have a stake, and it's much bigger than buying tickets. I will still root for the Colts, and expect them to win, regardless of who is in charge or who plays QB.

There's a reason I always say 'Go Colts!' and not 'Go Mannings' or 'Go Polians.' I hope you feel the same way.

Go Colts!

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right on, brother

that’s all i can say. totally agree with everything you said. if i could find a suitable picture of a dumpster fire on Google images, i would insert it here.

by Rocky Top Manning on Sep 19, 2011 10:37 AM EDT reply actions  

Suck for Luck

You guys do it well. Sucks about the economy and all. Oh, well TEXANS BABY

Apparently, bleach has an act like an asshole effect.
Being Insane I would know, I am a Texans Fan.
Wade Aid, Seconds Please

by WreckNTexan on Sep 19, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gotta love anonymous internet trolls

Especially for fans of teams that have won a Super Bowl….oh wait….hold on a sec…

Ok, how about winning a playoff game then…..no? really? Not even been to a playoff game?? You sure??

Well….how about the division then…..damn, not even close….

Hmmmm…..nevermind

What do I really have left in life but this place? It ain't much of a home, but it's all I got. Well, g******it. I'll be damned if I let some foreign, graffiti writin', soul suckin', son of a bitch in an oversized cowboy hat and boots take my friend's souls and sh** 'em down the visitors toilet!

by Guy LeDouche on Sep 19, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Peyton

One word sums it up

Apparently, bleach has an act like an asshole effect.
Being Insane I would know, I am a Texans Fan.
Wade Aid pass it around, 3rd helping on the way.

by WreckNTexan on Sep 19, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Five words...

He. Still. Plays. For. Us.

9 straight playoff appearances. 2 AFCC. SB win. GOAT at the helm.

You guys will probably still choke and miss the playoffs somehow. I could see Hasselbeck and the Titans winning the division. CJ hasn’t even caught fire yet.

Go away.

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by Stew Blake on Sep 20, 2011 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great Post

I totally agree. GO COLTS! It’s not about one person. I don’t really like Irsay. I don’t care too much for Polian right now either. Your last couple of paragraphs are perfect. They say it all. We were blessed to have Manning and get that one superbowl. But this team is nothing like the Pats or Steelers who can keep winning when their QB goes down because they have good defenses and better lines. As much as I don’t want to say it, I think it is Suck for Luck time. But I’ll keep watching and cheering on my Colts. I hope they just go ahead and give Painter a shot. It won’t hurt anything.

by Boiler00 on Sep 19, 2011 10:41 AM EDT reply actions  

not quite...

Winning is always a top priority. It hope it will never be “suck for Luck” time just like it should’ve never been “hack-a-Shaq” time. And as for Painter?…I wouldn’t have even wanted him to start when our best players were Ron Stark and Dean Biassucci. I’d rather see McAfee get a shot at Q.B. before him. Painter looks like the illegitimate child of Kevin Greene and goldy locks.

by dylanlb6 on Sep 19, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

agreed... great post

I was really expecting this game to at least be competitive… it wasn’t. Disheartening.

by coltsfanbeforemanning on Sep 19, 2011 10:42 AM EDT reply actions  

also

i like the point you made about fickle fans. This is very true. I was a very fickle Pacers fan, I could not watch after the keys were handed to Jermaine O’Neals incapable hands and watch the poor roster management. I actually stopped watching basketball altogether.

I guess I don’t understand the hatred towards the fair weather fans. For the Colts, I am die hard through and through, but I am fair weather for things I care less about. Also, fair weather fans do alot of good things. Buy alot of jerseys, buying tickets/hotel stays at outrageous prices, giving alot of support from outside IN, and honestly, do no real harm.

If I see you wearing a Colts jersey cheering with us, awesome. If you have already bought a Brady jersey (ugh) and are now a Pats fan, oh well. Nobody wants to cheer on a loser.

by coltsfanbeforemanning on Sep 19, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Preaching to the choir BBS!

If we as fans remain ‘diehard’ and ‘loyal’ and just accept a poorly run franchise because Polian says so, then we become the Cincinnati Bengals.

What do I really have left in life but this place? It ain't much of a home, but it's all I got. Well, g******it. I'll be damned if I let some foreign, graffiti writin', soul suckin', son of a bitch in an oversized cowboy hat and boots take my friend's souls and sh** 'em down the visitors toilet!

by Guy LeDouche on Sep 19, 2011 10:43 AM EDT reply actions  

A lot of people are learning this year

that you can love the team and still be critical of them when they screw up.

by FatDT on Sep 19, 2011 10:47 AM EDT reply actions   2 recs

insulting post

As a loyal colts fan, i am insluted by your comment “the 2011 Colts are done”.

That is a bunch of crap, and quite frankly, as of today I will not visit your blog for daily Colts info. We are 0-2, and are in fact struggling. However, being Debbie Downer in mid-September is a joke.

W. Morton

by wmorton2 on Sep 19, 2011 10:49 AM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Really?

There may be different ways to express what BBS is saying, but how can you realistically be confident in the 2011 Colts?

I love my Colts, I will watch every single snap in 2011 just like I have every year. I will continue to root for them, write about them, and read about them. But I’m not blind. I’m not stupid. And I urge you to open your eyes and ‘realistically’ assess this team.

Right now, the Colts appear to be a 1-4 win team (actually, a 0-4 win team). We just lost our home opener to the Cleveland Browns, and it took a last minute TD to make the score respectable. We can’t stop the run, we can’t stop the pass, we have a below-average offensive line, and a bottom-5 starting QB. We have an incompetent coaching staff, piss-poor special teams, and a serious lack of talent because of terrible drafting over the past 4 years.

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by kmbryant09 on Sep 19, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

don't worry

He’ll change his mind after watching Pittsburg… ummm destroy us in prime time next week. Many people around the US haven’t had the pleasure of watching us this year yet… they are in for a surprise.

by coltsfanbeforemanning on Sep 19, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

reality check

a magic unicorn will carry this team to 14-2 record.

or perhaps we will get a do-over on the 2007-2010 NFL drafts?

come-on good sir. you know this 2011 team is toast. do you honestly think this team will contend next sunday vs pittsburgh?

by Rocky Top Manning on Sep 19, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

lol

You’re insulted? So what?

by KingRichard on Sep 19, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good Riddance

I’m a homer myself but come on. Really? Also, leave Debbie out of this, she’s going to sexaholics anonymous now.

I obstain from sex during the season just so I can have Blue & White Balls. That's what I call dedication....Did I mention I'm not right? PSN: HALF--DEAD

by Half Dead on Sep 19, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Despite what everyone thinks......

Your entitled to your opinion. I don’t mind being critical of this team when its warranted. After these first two games I realize its time for Bill to retire and let Chris take full control of the team and his first order of business should be to find a new head coach. I have criticized BBS for being a Polian hater, but now I agree its time for change.

by VERNON HOWELL on Sep 19, 2011 2:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Excellent column BBS.

You articulated well what many people don’t want to hear, including the guy who says it’s an insulting post. The truth is, everything you said is accurate. I would have only changed one word. Towards the end of your column when you say ‘I expect them to win’, I would change the word ‘win’ to ‘lose’. At least with this current Manning-less group, until they prove they can do anything right, losing is more of an realistic expectation, unfortunately.

by Ayrshire on Sep 19, 2011 10:51 AM EDT reply actions  

By the way, yes, it was

definitely amazing watching the Eagles’ Kafka last night. He looks to be the real deal. He looks about 20 times better than Collins.

by Ayrshire on Sep 19, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

totally agree

Kafka looked like a seasoned vet out there, with his command of the offense, confidence and poise. VY can’t be listed as the #2 QB on the depth chart after last night..

by Rocky Top Manning on Sep 19, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's because

the Eagles coaching staff knows how to develop talent. It is lucrative and beneficial. You aren’t done if your QB gets hurt, and if you are confident in your next guy you can sell off your backup for lots of picks to a team like AZ.

by FatDT on Sep 19, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

... like Electra (Greek tragedy, not Daredevil's girlfriend) our warnings were ignored...

Not sure where you are going with Electra comparison (are you competing with your mother for your father’s attention?), but you probably meant to compare yourself to Cassandra. The Gal blessed/cursed by Apollo to know future, but can’t get anyone to listen to her.

by Selador on Sep 19, 2011 10:55 AM EDT reply actions  

He does.

He means Cassandra from the Iliad.

by ActionOxford on Sep 19, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Excellent.

Don’t need to say more than that.

Antoine Bethea - the most underrated safety in the NFL.

by Ben Savage on Sep 19, 2011 11:04 AM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, but where do we go from here?

Season is going no where and it is foolish to think the playoffs are in the cards. Time for a youth movement and see what you have for the future. Play Ijalana, Thomas, Donald Brown, Jerry Hughes, Rucker, etc. Hell, even play Pollack at Center to see if he can ever play that position in the NFL and save Saturday for one last hurrah with Manning next year (ok maybe that is a little over the top, but you get my point). I would assume that the play of Brown and Hughes would show the Colts organization that it is time to move on and cut their losses.

by PurdueBoiler1995 on Sep 19, 2011 11:05 AM EDT reply actions  

Completely Agree

Why not see what talent we really have? If we are going to shake things up for the last few years of #18s career, like the Broncos did w/ Elway, we are going to have to get rid of a few of the veterans and give some of the youngers guys a chance to play.

by CharlestonColtsFan on Sep 19, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

the BEST post on here EVER

Not only are you correct in your opinions about who is footing the bill AND its the front office job to make the Colts good so people will turn out and fill the stadium and not need a Manning attraction to keep them in their jewels and $$$!

If anyone says that Manning gets TOO much credit, they are crazy! He deserves a part of the Irsay’s, the Polian’s and the coaching staffs pay because without him they obviously don’t deserve it based on the product on the field without him…

TTYL,
Big Blue Dawg

by BigBlueDawg on Sep 19, 2011 11:14 AM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Great Post

In terms of fair-weather fans, I think it is similar to what we went through out here in Ann Arbor the past two years. The confidence in Rich Rodriguez was at zero, the fans were angry about the team and wanted to see changes – and are willing to undergo a not great season under Brady Hoke to get it. The attitude around here is a lot different this year, the fans seem happy that the AD made a change rather than the usual “we know better than you” approach. I think that’s what a lot of Colts fans (myself included) are feeling. Loyal to the team, but screwed-over by obvious bad decisions in the front office that nobody is accountable for.

Anyone else find it really weird how every Colts highlight on Sportcenter/CBS/FOX etc is just a clip of them getting scored on and an “expert” yelling “Peyton Manning doesn’t play defense!!” That is going to be one of the worst things to deal with all season.

by ppohio on Sep 19, 2011 11:19 AM EDT reply actions   3 recs

A Michigan fan who is also a Colts fan

You sir, are a man after my own heart!

Go Blue(s)!!!

Go Blue!

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by dezznutz1001 on Sep 19, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think we are experiencing a trickle down issue

I’m not going to say to that the Colts will be good this year (I gave up on them being decent after week 1) however I feel that some of our biggest issues will be resolved by week 8, or at least be considerably better.

To me, the biggest issue was our red zone offense sucking. We settled on FG’s instead of touchdowns. A Peyton led team, or even a good qb who knows the system led team would have scored on two maybe even 3 drives that ended in a FG. In turn that would have put a whole bunch more pressure on the Cle. to pass, and to not just hammer the ball away.

I’m not making excuses as to why we lost, not am I trying to say that we can still put it all together. What I am saying is that I feel like our redzone woes are the biggest problem, by far.

by parcel621 on Sep 19, 2011 11:21 AM EDT reply actions  

You get it

I think it will take a few more games and a few more gaffes in the media for others to get it though. A coaching change isn’t enough. Bill has to go.

by FatDT on Sep 19, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was talking about the football game...

While I agree with you, realistically, nothing will be done about Bill Polian until the off season at the earliest. So I kind of put that on the back burner and talked about what I saw in the football game

by parcel621 on Sep 19, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know what you meant.

I am just commenting about the brutal seriousness of the bigger picture. It starts at the top. That means it starts with Irsay, then Polian, and so on. A team just can’t keep on blowing draft picks, keeping inferior players while getting rid of superior ones, wasting roster spaces, getting rid of good assitant coaches and hiring bad ones in their place, failing to develop a reasonable back-up quarterback, failing to improve roster through free agency, failing to address the porous defense and failing to improve special teams year after year. These are management mistakes and collectively, they’ve destroyed this team.

by Ayrshire on Sep 19, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, IMO, Kerry Collins knowledge

of the offense can only get better, as will our Red Zone issues.

The problem is “better” still wont be enough to make the play-offs are even get 7 wins the way this team is currently put together

Go Blue!

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by dezznutz1001 on Sep 19, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bill Polian is playing on the field is he?

Ayshire, you are the biggest BBS follower on this site. Do you have any thoughts that are your own?

Im not sayign Polian doesnt need to go, i am merely statign that your drive-by swipe at Polian does NOTHING to address the topic Parcel brought up

Go Blue!

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by dezznutz1001 on Sep 19, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

His vision for a football team is playing on the field

He is the root cause of the problem. Anything else, like bringing up redzone efficiency or Caldwell’s inability to manage the clock, or anything like that, is a symptom. This is an aging, talent-poor team that Bill Polian built. Time for a new builder, time to surround Manning with an actual team and a competent coaching and front office staff.

by FatDT on Sep 19, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

once again we are talkign about IN-GAME with the team WE currently have

Ok I get that Polian PUT the team together!!! NOT EVERYONE HERE WANTS to BITCH about POLIANS shortcoming EVERY FREAKING BLOG!!!!!

Go Blue!

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by dezznutz1001 on Sep 19, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Chill out

If you don’t like the comment, don’t read it. It’s just the internet. You seem like you’re taking this personally.

by FatDT on Sep 19, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, I'm going to step up

my Polian bitching, just to irritate the shit out of dezznutz1001. lol

by Ayrshire on Sep 19, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

What exactly is your problem anyway?

If some of my comments happen to mirror some of BBS’s comments….fine. I don’t care one way or another. As far as I’m concerned, everything BBS wrote is fact, not because BBS wrote it, but because of the content of what he wrote. If you can’t see the reality of the situation for what it is, too bad for you. Believe it or not, there are actually quite a few people who feel the exact same way I do and can see this disasterous management for what it is. And, just so we’re clear, I’ll take as many swipes at Polian as I feel like taking. He deserves them.

by Ayrshire on Sep 19, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

As a Browns fan I’ve got a lot of experience rooting for a losing team. My one word of advice is that you can be a loyal fan and not accept incompetence at the same time.

"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway

by notthatnoise on Sep 19, 2011 11:55 AM EDT reply actions   4 recs

There are positives and negatives. Castanza was a great pick and the entire 2011 draft was right on the money if you ask me.

However, I do believe that the past 4-5 previous drafts were mostly busts for a couple of reasons. 1 is that the Colts made some pretty bad picks. 2 is that we seem to have a coaching staff that hasn’t been able to get the most out of players, especially defensively. When you have so many picks that bomb like they have for us, it has to be a problem with coaching.

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by Sparhawk on Sep 19, 2011 12:00 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

and like Electra (Greek tragedy, and Daredevil’s girlfriend’s movie) our warnings were ignored

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by MonkeyBusiness on Sep 19, 2011 12:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Put a fork in them. These 2011 Colts are done.

I think it gives you pleasure to write that, as its a way to stick it to Polian, Irsay, and the Colts organization.

Ever Grateful. Ever True.

by PurdueMatt on Sep 19, 2011 12:16 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Proud to be a Colts fan!

For 40 years I’ve been a COLTS fan. Didn’t matter who played what position. Some players were obviously better and some were much worse. Watching the sideline yesterday showed that there is no confidence on this team and especially with this coaching staff. I’m disappointed that this team fails to adapt and overcome. At what point does someone say we screwed up, lets try to fix these glaring problems? It’s apparent Polian and Caldwell and the rest of this staff are blinded by their incompetence to fix the problems!

by superbeast on Sep 19, 2011 12:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Plans for the Future

Here is what I would do if I was Polian / Irsay.

1.) Do not plan that Peyton will be back. It is time to find his replacement.
2.) If the team goes 0-5; its time to start Painter and give playing time to Jerry Hughes, Donald Brown, Gonzo, and all the other young guys. The time is now to assess the talent and determine who is worth keeping.
3.) This is the most difficult piece, but I feel it is time to part ways with Wayne and Mathis. Its probably not likely that this team will pay them the money it will take to keep them around and if that isnt the case then we need to trade them for draft picks.
4.) Fire Jim Caldwell and his staff.
5.) At the end of the season we really need to take a hard look at Freeny, Clark, Bracket, and any other high priced contract. We need to consider trading, cutting, or reducing their cap figures.
6.) Change our D to a 3-4. Tampa Two is a terrible defensive scheme and we poorly execute it.

by mcrobert125 on Sep 19, 2011 12:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Bandwagon fans

Already got off. Criticizing the team you love and wanting to win isn’t being a bandwagon fan.

by FatDT on Sep 19, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

No Excuses

Im sorry, but just because Im forward thinking doesn’t make me bandwagon. I’m not going to buy tickets to see them play, but I didn’t do that to begin with. ill still watch them suck; hopefully for Luck!!!

Seriously though, this team has a couple guys with a lot of talent and the rest could barely make someone else’s squad. Its time to look for the future as Manning probably isnt coming back. I dont doubt that he wont try, but he would be a fool to come back. Especially after have twin babies this off-season. Your long term life isnt worth the fame or glory.

by mcrobert125 on Sep 19, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Your first post is right.

Build a team that can win with okay play from the QB, and then hope to slide a 100% Manning into it.

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by ISN on Sep 20, 2011 2:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with the painful point 3

We have to start allocating our money in to the D and O lines…have to. When Manning returns if we give him time he can make so-so receivers in to pro bowl material.

"Winning isn't everything, but it beats anything that comes in second."

--Paul "Bear" Bryant

by BigBlackRichard on Sep 19, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mathis/freeny

Freeny will make 14-15 million next year, Mathis won’t make half that if we re-sign him, plus freeny would bring a plethora of draft picks in a trade, he’ll if we traded him to Oakland imagine what al mighty give us…

by Kdog@usi on Sep 19, 2011 1:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

0-2 does not make the team

Yesterday it was clear that this team is still trying to find its identity without Manning. It’s not over yet, but in the extremely competitive AFC it’s getting dark. I wouldn’t say they’re done. They could find their way. Look at the Titans over Baltimore over Pittsburg. Teams find a way to win at odd times. Cleveland had a lot of drive last night and played really well. Hats off to them. Keep on chugging Colts. I still expect 5 wins at a minimum. This team will look much different in week 17 than they did yesterday. Keep in mind that it takes time to recover from losing the overwhelmingly clear leader of a team.

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by Mark Olson on Sep 19, 2011 12:33 PM EDT reply actions  

I knew the Colts were done before the season started

I expected 1-2 wins this year. This team has talent but its all tied into the Qb position. I will not watch the games hoping they will win. I will be watching to see the young guys develop. How many people here think that if Peyton were healthy and we had a Ndamung Suh that the Colts make it to the Super Bowl. The one good thing that could come from all this losing is getting Andrew Luck. If we dont have a franchise QB when Peyton retires will have to get used to losing like the Brownies and Bungles.

by SRBradford on Sep 19, 2011 12:42 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

We wont get Luck

Only Polian wants Luck…and Polian may not be around after this season anyways to make that pick.

Seattel will have worst record in teh league, they also have no QB of the future, unlike Jax.

We will most likely have the 3rd thru 5th pick

Go Blue!

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by dezznutz1001 on Sep 19, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

If the Colts decide to start Painter instead of Collins they wont win any games. Seattle is a bad team but they have an easier schedule than the Colts. This team is definately in the running for Luck. If the Colts want the 1st pick just start Painter the rest of the year.

by SRBradford on Sep 19, 2011 1:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I try to not be negative.

But damn! I’ve been a Colts fan since the late eighties. I will be one of the fools who is a Colts fan after Manning retires and we suck for awhile. Hell, I used to drive to Ft. Wayne on Sundays to watch the Colts during the blackout years, and there were several blackout years. All that being said, I have to agree that the make up of this team is piss poor. Manning covered more than I thought he did. I always hated hearing about how awesome New Englands front office is, but they understand and our front office doesn’t. They take care of Brady with an awesome O line, and get by with serviceable receivers. A great QB can make a so-so receiver look pretty damn good. We, on the other hand, spend a buttload of money on Cadillac receivers and put together an O line that could get a QB killed. Lets not even start on our D. As vanilla as it gets and personnel to match. Sure we have a few good players on D, and one great one, but all in all they suck. The boring cover 2 scheme is painful to watch unless we have a two touchdown lead. Teams nickel and dime us all the way down the field, and this year were not stiffening up at the goal line. The coaching is bad this year! Manning is out, and they are not adjusting to it. Collins can’t do the same things as Manning, how hard can it be to design some new plays based off the personnel you have. I was sooo disgusted yesterday when we finally seemed committed to running the ball, and we were doing it well, then in the 4th with 11 plus minutes to go, down 2, we completely abandoned the run. WTF??? After pounding them the way we did, you would think the run would’ve been there for us in the fourth. They were tired, that’s the time to cram it down their throat. Instead we put Collins in the shotgun like he is Manning. We could have at least put him under center so the Browns couldn’t tell we were abandoning the run and panicking. Hell no, instead we’ll see how Collins does with a D line that’s pinning it’s ears back against an O line with one good player (Castonzo), and one decent vet (Saturday)……Just, rrrrrrrrrrrr!!! BigBlackRichard is not a happy camper today.
I really hope the front office pulls it’s head outta its ass and starts building a team around the O and D lines, a QB, and then invest the vast majority of the remaining money in to the D as a whole. If not it may take 10 years for us to be competitive after Manning retires.

"Winning isn't everything, but it beats anything that comes in second."

--Paul "Bear" Bryant

by BigBlackRichard on Sep 19, 2011 1:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Expensive receivers

Wayne is our only high priced receiver, collie and garçon dont make squat…

by Kdog@usi on Sep 19, 2011 2:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Does Clark not receive??? How..

…much were we paying an aging Harrison, Wayne, and Clark at the same time while we let key linebackers and O lineman walk. My point is that there is a trend of the money not going where it would suit us best. Protecting Manning and playing D.

"Winning isn't everything, but it beats anything that comes in second."

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by BigBlackRichard on Sep 19, 2011 8:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Joe

I don’t see the present team being competative aganist the Pats. I don’t care how far into this season when they play. We are in for a waxing, and it is very painful.

by chihoosierguy on Sep 19, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

In 2008.., when the roles were reversed, and the Pats

were without their superstar quarterback, we won 18-15. A wopping 3-point victory. What do you think’s going to happen this year when we face them without our superstar QB? I believe it will be very telling about how each organization is built, or not-built…..as the case may be.

by Ayrshire on Sep 19, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

The Colts will get destroyed by the Pats

Bill Belichek will show no mercy on this team. This is a road game for us. If Collins commits a lot of turnovers the Pats might put up 60-70 pts. Even if the Pats were up by 70 with less than 2 minutes to go they would be trying to score a touchdown. This game will be the 1 game you should not watch.

by SRBradford on Sep 19, 2011 1:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Will be watching Colts

football until this season is over.. However, I hate to say this, but we might not win a single -ucking game.

by chihoosierguy on Sep 19, 2011 1:29 PM EDT reply actions  

What to do

BBs is the only writer I lok forward to reading.It’s right on the money.Where do you go from here? I think threr is one question to be asked.Are we in a total REBUILDING mode or do we believe PM is coming back healthy for 3 more years.Whatever side you are on dominoes will have to fall.If you choose the first side,I believe PM will have to be traded.Heresy,potentially.But a reality.A rebuilding team does not need a 36 yr old QB.If pm is traded,the chances of Reggie W getting a new contact is nil.Robert M. willnot get one ,Gary B.will be cut with his high contract.Jeff S will be cut.There will be wholesale changes, including a brand new coaching staff.On the other hand if you believe they will stick with PM then this DEFENSE will have to be fixed ASAP.Is that possible? I don’t know.All I know is if PM comes back this team has to improve dramatically on D if a Super Bowl is in the future

by zeus3 on Sep 19, 2011 2:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Question

Someone who actually knows the answer to this, please respond. Does an NFL head coach ultimately decide who starts and gets the majority of playing time or does the decision fall to the appropriate coordinator or position coach? Ex. Does Caldwell decide that Lacey should start and play most of the game at CB or does Coyer decide? Alan Williams?

BTW, I know my username is outdated, but at this point I don’t really give a shit.

by session55 on Sep 19, 2011 3:17 PM EDT reply actions  

There is no single NFL answer

Those decisions differ from team to team and they usually don’t just hand out that kind of information. That being said it’s probably decided during meetings with multiple people having input.

by FatDT on Sep 19, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Christ, this is ridiculous

Look bandwagons go both ways. Everyone on here is jumping on the Colts freaking suck bandwagon. I thought you could take a lot from yesterday’s game. As far as Kafka? Yes, he looked good, his is very smart (Northwestern) but he was running a very similar offense to what he ran in college. Maybe that’s WHY they drafted him? And he wasn’t really a barnburner in college.

Go ahead haters. Blame Polian. Blame him for putting together this big pile of stinky shit of a team. But also blame him for a decade of winning, Manning and the Super Bowl.

Want to see suck? Look at the Chiefs.

Dear Diary, Kevin is so hot. Today he was raking the yard. God I wish he'd throw me into that pile of leaves.

by GotDebt on Sep 19, 2011 3:20 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Your post makes no sense

You acknowledge the team is not very good but then you seem angry that people are pointing it out.

The Chiefs are 0-2. So are the Colts.

by FatDT on Sep 19, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

^^^^^^

Current defensive coordinator of the Bengals. He’s done a fine job with that defense.

Mike Zimmer, defensive coordinator, Cincinnati Bengals: At some point, he will get his chance to be a head coach. Zimmer has been close, but never quite got the job. He is one of the better defensive coaches in the league. There was some talk that he was the Cowboys coach in waiting, but that turned out to be Jason Garrett. The Bengals were fourth in total defense in 2009, but slipped to 15th last season in part because of injuries. Zimmer should get them back on track this season. If he does, he will get in the mix again.

by Coltsfan1345 on Sep 19, 2011 4:29 PM EDT reply actions  

I like Zimmer

I don’t know how he’d do as a HC but he’d have to be better than Caldwell. And he’d be good for this defense.

by FatDT on Sep 20, 2011 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

I will still watch and cheer every Colts game on TV this year

but it does feel strange being more intrigued with scoreboard watching teams like Seattle,KC, SF etc. hoping they are losing as much or more than our usual foes.

"I'm feeling pretty, pretty, pretty good."

by PV Mike on Sep 19, 2011 4:48 PM EDT reply actions  

This article makes me nauseous. Let me count the ways:

We’ve got a non-Hoosier blogger telling us what Hoosier fans are like.
We’ve got spoiled whiney crybaby fans that expect no drop-off without Manning.
We’ve got people who just want to bitch about revisiting the perfect season from years ago (get over it).
We’ve got people who want to bitch about stadium funding (methinks they’d bitch worse if the team had left). Worse still, many of these people don’t even live here, so they can just shut up.
We’ve got people who think that they’re entitled to certain things just because they buy a ticket. Circuses, theatres, orchestras … all entertainment outfits use understudies and switch up the programming at the last minute. The most ignorant and small-minded things people say often begin with "I paid good money for …."
We’ve got people that want to lynch Polian and Caldwell and yet have no alternative ideas. These people won’t acknowledge the vast majority of correct moves that these two make (for example, I believe Caldwell has won every replay challenge throughout the preseason and 2 reg season games and has made no silly timeouts.)
We’re lacking in realists that see that yesterday’s game WAS competitive. It was not an embarrassment. If you think so, you’re spoiled by the Colts’ past success. The Browns had 1 good run all day. We out rushed them. There was definite tangible improvement over week 1. We lost because of Kerry Collins’ turnovers and our drives stalling in the redzone. Those are issues directly due to the absence of Manning. Six inches of improvement at a time, as says Caldwell.

Now, if all those who stuck a fork in the Colts after the first two courses of the meal would kindly excuse yourselves from the table, we adults here still have the appetite to enjoy the next 14 dishes on the menu. Kindly don’t yuck our yum. Bon appetit!

Being in politics is like being a football coach. You have to be smart enough to understand the game and dumb enough to think it's important. -- Eugene J. McCarthy

by zherebyonki on Sep 19, 2011 5:07 PM EDT reply actions  

i agree in many things.. the game was competitive..

But Irsay and/or FO needs to improve.. remember the mantra “No excuses, no explanations”, he fans demands a excellent work from the FO(this isnt bad).. i still think Colts need a better DC, Jim Tressel as Ass. Head Coach and Free Agency..

by Amilcar on Sep 19, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

"a stoney?" Wow, that SoCal lingo is really hip.

What was pathetic was the fact that our fans began an exodus from the stadium when the team went down by two scores in the 4th quarter. What a vote of no confidence. It must’ve sucked to be on the Colts sideline with the fans deserting. And what happened? The Colts came back, got in the endzone, and still had a prayer with the onside kick (which was a very creative attempt by the ST coordinator).
I do plan to finish the feast, but without the benefit of performance-enhancing drugs.

Being in politics is like being a football coach. You have to be smart enough to understand the game and dumb enough to think it's important. -- Eugene J. McCarthy

by zherebyonki on Sep 19, 2011 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm as die hard a fan as they come..

…I can still point out frustration at some poor coaching and the decisions to not build a good O line for Peyton. If it weren’t for the crappy O line Peyton wouldn’t be out and this would all be mute. Look at Bradys time to throw in New England and then play ANY game from last year and watch 18 take his beating while barely getting the throw off…it was a big mistake not to invest in this line, and it’s ok to point it out. That being said, I do agree that there are some guys around here that go overboard with it. I’m not a negative Nancy, but yesterdays game was ours to win and I strongly believe play calling in the 4th cost us the win. Why did they abandon the run and put Collins in the shotgun?? If anyone can look me in the eye and tell me that was good coaching I won’t be able to take them serious…it’s ok to vent. It’s ok to say “Caldwell stunk it up.” A fan doesn’t have to find the one positive about how they did their job when there are glaring negatives that cost us the game. If you are the type that looks for the small positives when we blew it, that’s cool. At the same time, don’t rip on others because theyre not like you. One thing we have in common, GO COLTS!!!…just please don’t shoot ourselves in the foot with bad play calling next week. Lol!

"Winning isn't everything, but it beats anything that comes in second."

--Paul "Bear" Bryant

by BigBlackRichard on Sep 19, 2011 8:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I don't mind fans that complain reasonably & stay hungry for improvement.

I’m one of those. Today I just felt a counterweight was needed to balance the shrill bellyaching i was seeing. I don’t think I ripped anyone specifically or called anyone out besides BBS, but he obviously wrote much of this stuff today to rile people up and get his forum buzzing, especially with all his economic arguments.
The OLine is an area I’ve been pleading for attention to as well. Nevertheless, I don’t think we have any direct evidence that the OLine is somehow responsible for his neck issue — it was a bulging disk, and that happens gradually, doesn’t it, not from a specific trauma. We fans don’t know what caused it, and it’s possible his team of 1,079 doctors don’t either.
I’ll never join a Caldwell fan-club, but I think it’s extremely hard to identify him as the problem. He doesn’t call plays on either side of the ball; the coordinators do that. It’s easy to spot glaring errors, but it’s hard to appreciate the stuff he keeps from going wrong. We just don’t know. Caldwell’s in a tough spot, because of his uber-understated personality, and the fact that Peyton (or whoever) typically gets the credit for wins. He’s an easy target, and will remain so. I won’t mourn him when he’s gone, but I need more evidence to condemn him now.

Being in politics is like being a football coach. You have to be smart enough to understand the game and dumb enough to think it's important. -- Eugene J. McCarthy

by zherebyonki on Sep 20, 2011 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Z...let me ask you this.

Do you not think that the play-calling and overall competence of the coordinators is a reflection of the head coach? Who’s responsible for getting rid of Moore and Mudd, two of Indy’s most beloved and competent assistants? Who’s ultimately responsible for a special teams unit that can’t cover? Is that all on the players, or does accountability come into play elsewhere? And, if so, with who?

by Ayrshire on Sep 20, 2011 8:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'd love to know who got rid of Moore, Mudd & Gene Huey. Not happy about that.

My hunch is it was Polian’s decision, though, not Caldwell’s. I think the play-calling and competence of the coordinators is primarily a reflection of those coordinators themselves; … Special Teams, well that’s primarily on Ray Rychleski. On some teams, I think the HC is more involved in that kind of micromanagement, but I don’t think that’s how the Colts have worked since the advent of the Dungy era.

I honestly think Caldwell has one of the narrower job descriptions of any head coach in the NFL. I think he’s a team manager much like Larry Bird was coaching the Pacers, where he delegated a ton to his assistants Rick Carslile and Dick Harter, and he had a very controlling GM in Donnie Walsh helping to dictate things.

I just have a hard time believing he’s as dumb or incompetent as he often appears to us. Why the hell would Dungy, Irsay and Polian want to deal with a nimrod day after day? No, I think he must be brighter and more charismatic than we give him credit for. I watched the Giants game last night and thought, I’m glad Tom Coughlin isn’t my coach.

Basically, when people scream for Caldwell’s head, they may as well urge replacement of the entire coaching staff. Looking at a larger sample size than the first 2 games without Manning and considering his long-run performance tell me that Caldwell isn’t a total stooge or he wouldn’t have been tolerated by the rest of the braintrust.

Being in politics is like being a football coach. You have to be smart enough to understand the game and dumb enough to think it's important. -- Eugene J. McCarthy

by zherebyonki on Sep 20, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

One thing

I can agree with you on….is that Caldwell probably has one of the narrower job descriptions of any head coach. That, in my opinion, is because Bill Polian wants to keep control, to a certain degree. Some people would call that being a puppet. But, whether you agree with that term or not, it is definitely a tough spot to be in. However, I don’t blame him for accepting the job. His time management of last season didn’t do him any favors in the court of public opinion. But, yes, there’s usually some middle ground somewhere. I’m going to watch a few more games and reassess. But, I don’t think it’s likely that my viewpoint is going to be changed regarding Bill or Jim.

by Ayrshire on Sep 20, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jim is odd in that his succession violates the usual pattern

Teams tend to alternate coaches from the sympatheic/team-father/players’-coaches mold to the sexy/rah-rah/tyrranical/hard-nosed types, just like Russian tsars (and politicians generally) tend to alternate between the reformer and hardliner modes. The Colts are odd because they replaced the milquetoast Dungy with the “milquetoastier” Caldwell. I wonder if Caldwell’s next team might view him as a voice of reason or a stabilizing force. I’m not opposed to bringing in a more aggressive coach next year, but not if it entails radical philosophy change that makes a large swath of our roster obsolete and requires extensive retooling during Peyton’s twilight years. I’m for fixing and infusing, not demolishing and defusing. Good chat!

Being in politics is like being a football coach. You have to be smart enough to understand the game and dumb enough to think it's important. -- Eugene J. McCarthy

by zherebyonki on Sep 21, 2011 3:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

People

You don’t need to write your life manifesto in comment form. If you want people to read what you have to say, learn to edit yourself. No one is going to read your giant block of text.

Bill Polian should retire.

by FatDT on Sep 20, 2011 12:59 AM EDT reply actions  

maybe you should just work on your reading comprehension and attention span

Being in politics is like being a football coach. You have to be smart enough to understand the game and dumb enough to think it's important. -- Eugene J. McCarthy

by zherebyonki on Sep 20, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

One last comment and I’m out of here.

Don’t let the score fool you. That was a very competitive game on Sunday until about the last five minutes. The reason the Colts lost was that they couldn’t fully capitalize on red zone possessions. I am not a Colts fan, so you’ll know your team better, but from an outsider’s perspective it looks like everyone here needs to readjust their expectations. You don’t just take the best QB of all time off of a team and expect that team to stay good. Even very good overall teams that lose their starting QB take a huge step back. This team is not as bad as most of you think, trust me, I’ve watched a ton of bad football.

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by notthatnoise on Sep 20, 2011 11:57 AM EDT reply actions  

The reason the Colts lost

is because they suck at every phase of football. With Manning, at least they had a dynamic passing game to compensate, but now the Colts don’t have that and the result is what you saw the last two weeks.

by Ayrshire on Sep 20, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

thank you for the perspective... I've been trying to explain that to people,

many only see black and white. We’re either #1 or we suck. No middle ground. Very juvenile.
It’s not like the other franchises are Potemkin villages, just hollow facades that can be pushed over.

Being in politics is like being a football coach. You have to be smart enough to understand the game and dumb enough to think it's important. -- Eugene J. McCarthy

by zherebyonki on Sep 20, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

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