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At 0-2 And the Season Likely Finished, Why Don't The Colts Experiment More?

INDIANAPOLIS, IN - SEPTEMBER 18:  Head coach Jim Caldwell of the Indianapolis Colts on the sidelines against the Cleveland Browns at Lucas Oil Stadium on September 18, 2011 in Indianapolis, Indiana.  (Photo by Matthew Stockman/Getty Images)

Interesting ideas here posed by Kyle Rodriguez at Coltsider.com:

Personally, I believe both [Donald Brown and Jerry Hughes] were bad draft picks. However, that doesn’t mean that the Colts can’t glean some use from them.

Donald Brown has shown an electric ability when given space to run. He’s also shown an incredible ability to catch the ball out of the backfield.

Jerry Hughes has great speed, and has shown flashes of brilliance when rushing from a standing position, as opposed to the normal three-point stance.

So, why are the Colts’ even attempting to utilize those talents? They may not be suited for every-down type of players, but that doesn’t mean they’re worthless. However, the Colts’ coaching staff is treating them that way, keeping Brown on the bench for the first two weeks, and giving Hughes very limited action against the Browns.

This isn’t going to help the Colts. The Colts can try to utilize Brown and Hughes’ natural talents, so why don’t they?

Kyle and I are of the same mind here. Yeah, Brown and Hughes are busted picks. That's obvious (to everyone but Bill Polian, but hey, whatever). But, that doesn't mean this Colts team, which has played terribly to start the season, can't start thinking of ways to utilize Brown and Hughes in new, creative ways.

Kyle and I agree: This is a lost season. So, why not start using your busted picks to see if they can offer anything for next season? Even if the team hasn't given up on the season, wouldn't it make sense to, at least, try something different? It's not like what they have going now is working.

Here's my personal belief as to why the coaches aren't experimenting more: Jim Caldwell is being evaluated by Jim Irsay and Bill Polian, and his coaching for his job.

Star-divide

As we all know, the front office has screwed the pooch on four of the last five drafts. Now, with Peyton Manning on the sidelines recovering from spinal surgery, the lack of talent on the roster is glaring.

This team could very possibly go 0-16.

Yes, it is possible. That's how bad they've looked in preseason and in the first two regular season games. Plus, when you lose to the Browns at home, 0-16 is always a possibility. Some might argue a team should have wins taken away from them simply for losing to Cleveland at home. With the money invested in players like Dwight Freeney, Antoine Bethea, Dallas Clark, and Robert Mathis, the Colts should have crushed Cleveland on Sunday.

They didn't.

In fact, Cleveland dominated them. The score was 27-12 with a minute left in the fourth quarter. Anyone saying the Colts looked 'improved' overall against Cleveland is not someone who is looking at this team with an objective eye. The whole team looked bad Sunday, especially the defense.

Now, should this team wins three games or less this year, that would be pretty damning indictment of the front office. Most executives do not retain their jobs when a team is expected to contend for a Super Bowl instead is competing for the first overall pick. The only way they do retain their jobs is if they blame the head coach, and that is exactly what I think will happen here should the Colts continue to lose.

The excuse the front office could use is that, 'Well, our picks are not developing well under Caldwell. Clearly, it's not our fault. Our scouting system is genius. It has to be the coach. I mean, look how well our picks flourished under Dungy?'

During Caldwell's tenure, we've seen little meaningful production from 2009 high round picks Donald Brown and Fili Moala. Jerry Hughes (2010 first rounder) has been awful, and second round pick Pat Angerer is forced to play out-of-position because the Colts decided to give $30 million dollars to a 30+ year old linebacker in Gary Brackett (who, once again, is hurt and missing games).

Don't think this lack of development has gone unnoticed by the top brass at West 56th Street. In the NFL, players either bust because the front office screwed up or because the coach failed to develop them. It's either one or the other. Someone is accountable. Based on how West 56th Street reacted in 2001, when Jim Mora Sr. did everything possible to win despite horrid talent on defense, do you think the Polian family will fall on the sword if the Colts go 1-15?

No, they'll blame Caldwell.

While we all like to poke fun at Jim for his poor game management and the clueless 'derrrrrr' expression on his face whenever the camera cuts to him on the sideline, he's actually a pretty intelligent guy. Bad coach, maybe, but not dumb. Caldwell knows the eyes of the front office are watching him, and he knows he has to demonstrate weekly progress in order to justify retaining his job. If he falls back on the Manning injury excuse, he's as god as fired.

It's also worth noting that Caldwell is in year three of a four year deal. Either during this season, or sometime after the close of the regular season, the Colts will either need to fire or extend him. He absolutely CANNOT coach next year as a lame duck. Jim Fox did that for Carolina last year. It was disastrous.

Thus, in order to justify an extension, he has to stick to his guns and coach the way he knows how. If he were more comfortable in his job, I think we'd see more experimentation with formations and personnel. Maybe.

But, when you are coaching for your life, as I believe Caldwell is (and should be), you aren't going to start inserting new defensive and offensive packages just to get a couple of busted draft picks some playing time.

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Stand up rush opportunities

I agree Hughes looked better rushing the QB as a stand up rusher. So did Philip Wheeler, who did that a lot at Georgia.

The question is, what situational packages would allow a stand-up rusher from the outside? When Brock was here he would rove and eventually pick a gap to rush, but from the interior. Hughes is not going to get a rush from the inside unless he plays some LB. Is this a realistic possibility?

I think this premise about Caldwell coaching for his life makes sense. I don’t think Irsay is going to just be OK with losing 13+ games this year even if Manning is out. But if Caldwell is smart (maybe) and coaching for his life (probably), why not take a few risks since coaching the way he knows isn’t working?

There’s been little pressure on the QB with a 4 man rush. Maybe line Hughes up as a LB and rush 5 (or 6) and sell out to get the QB? Of course that would mean the CBs need to play closer and maybe rougher. Which I think they did a little more of that vs. Cleveland.

I have no doubt the Colts are going to lose a lot this year. But it would at least make the games a little more exciting if they would take some more risks and do something different to try to win.

by FatDT on Sep 21, 2011 10:32 AM EDT reply actions  

Because

Maybe Caldwell just isn’t a very good coach, that’s why. His record as a HC in college was not impressive, he has shown in a limited time frame that he is capable of turning winning into losing for the Colts and he has removed every talented, veteran assistant on the team and replaced them with unqualified, inexperienced college coaches who have shown nothing so far….

If Caldwell’s job is on the line, count me in as wanting this team to go 0-16 to make it so.

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by AceOfSpades on Sep 21, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh my goodness are you sersious?!

The season is not lost after 2 losses. I understand last week was terrible, but the Colts are improving. You can’t expect the Colts to have found their identity 1 week after losing Peyton Manning. Collins is getting better and they clearly opened up the play book more for him. The run game started really well and it can’t be comfortable for the Colts coaching staff to get used to game planning around a run attack.

Give them a chance. If the Titans can start 2-0 the Colts can recover from 0-2. There are still a lot of pro-bowlers on this team. I know that only 1-8 teams that start 0-2 make the playoffs, but there are a lot of things that work in the Colts favor to be that 1 of 8. They are making major adjustments after losing the most impactful player in the league at the most impactful position in football. The have a starting quarterback who has been with the team for 3 weeks. I see bright things ahead and it would just take a major upset win over the Steelers at home to get this team rolling. Something has to click eventually.

On Mike and Mike this morning their poll was which 0-2 team is most likely to make the playoffs. Listeners picked the Colts. Don’t give up to soon.

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by Mark Olson on Sep 21, 2011 10:33 AM EDT reply actions  

Well if Mike and Mike listeners predicted it

then it’s time to line up now for those Colts playoff tickets! CHAMPIONSHIP.

by FatDT on Sep 21, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Mike & Mike sucks

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by PurdueMatt on Sep 21, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Still pretty sad that when the world still believes in your team you've already given up on them...

"It's about the journey--mine and yours--and the lives we can touch, the legacy we can leave, and the world we can change for the better."
— Tony Dungy

by Mark Olson on Sep 21, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

well

in the “world” of nfl experts on espn they have the colts ranked 29th…..i haven’t heard anyone that still believes in the colts.

by BLOODontheTRACKS on Sep 21, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Power rankings are built on what has happened to that point

and not what is expected over the course of the season. I agree that it doesn’t look good and odds are the Colts will fall on their faces with 3-5 wins, but I feel as a fan it is my responsibility to get behind my team and have hope…

"It's about the journey--mine and yours--and the lives we can touch, the legacy we can leave, and the world we can change for the better."
— Tony Dungy

by Mark Olson on Sep 21, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

"the world"?

That’s disingenuous at best. It wasn’t the world. It was Mike and Mike listeners, and they were answering about which of the 0-2 teams. That doesn’t mean they “believe in the Colts”. That means they think Manning might come back and that the other teams don’t even have that hope.

by FatDT on Sep 21, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Ok then

How about this statement. If anyone should believe in the Colts, it should be Colts fans.

"It's about the journey--mine and yours--and the lives we can touch, the legacy we can leave, and the world we can change for the better."
— Tony Dungy

by Mark Olson on Sep 21, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

How about this statement

No one should believe in the Colts because without Manning they’re not a good team.

Being a “real fan” does not mean being completely out of touch with reality. You can love the team and be critical of the team’s decision makers when those decision makers make bad decisions that negatively affect the team.

by FatDT on Sep 21, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think you have to be out of touch with reality to believe they can win

Yes Peyton Manning is the greatest QB of this generation, but this team has other great playmakers. You have former probowlers at QB, RB, WR, TE, S, OL and 2 at DE. It was clear to me this last week that the teams heart wasn’t in it. The Texans game was a disasterous flop of ill preparedness. The Browns games seemed to be a hangover from the previous week. Changes can and need to be made to win, but I still believe this team has it in them to win. I’d rather be optimistic and get let down than start with a bad attitude and bitch about everything and everybody involved with the team.

"It's about the journey--mine and yours--and the lives we can touch, the legacy we can leave, and the world we can change for the better."
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by Mark Olson on Sep 21, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would feel that way if it was a balanced team

I will continue to watch every game and go to as many games as I can, but I don’t have much faith in this group because they have never been a balanced team….the defense cannot stand on its own and inspires zero confidence anymore.

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by AceOfSpades on Sep 21, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Believing in the Colts

and cheering for them are two separate things. The powers that run this team have given me little reason to believe in them, with Manning gone. Will I cheer for them and hope they win? Yes.

by Ayrshire on Sep 21, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Colts were picked...

Over whom? The Seahawks? Vikings? Jaguars?

All that reflects is that there’s still some semblance of hope that P. Manning returns mid-season.

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by kmbryant09 on Sep 21, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

When youre 'pundits' pick you to go 0-16

And the media power rankings rank you 30th in the NFL, it’s contradictory for the Colts to make the playoffs with or without manning. I’m just saying that hold out some hope and believe in your team. This woe is me attitude is annoying and pathetic. Can’t a lot of these troubles be resolved by getting used to this type of system? Colts are used to playing a much different way and relying on a premier player to bail them out. It’s possible they get this figured out and start winning again. Then you have to think about how much better the team can be from this experience once PM does come back…

"It's about the journey--mine and yours--and the lives we can touch, the legacy we can leave, and the world we can change for the better."
— Tony Dungy

by Mark Olson on Sep 21, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

The Browns DID NOT dominate us

They just won. But I fail to see how a game that was 14-12 going into the 4th quarter is a dominance.

And you are suggesting a 14 game pre-season ? Busted suggestion

by blacktobias on Sep 21, 2011 10:35 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

A few things that should be tried

1. Keep Pat Angerer at MLB where he looks natural and is doing less thinking and move Brackett to WILL where he can cover RBs and TEs in the flat and get into his zones, which he is better at than shedding blocks in the middle vs OLs, our run D looks much better with Angerer in at MLB.

2. Maybe, with an extra day of preparation, give a shot for Ijalana at RT starting with the Bucs game, or after the bye week

3. Someone already opined this, use Philip Wheeler as an edge rusher, in stand up mode

4. If we are 1-5 at the bye week (lone win vs Chiefs, I hope), put in Curtis Painter, let us see what he can do for all the time we have invested in him.

by chad72 on Sep 21, 2011 10:35 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Good suggestions here

There’s no reason for Ijalana to not start at this point.

Brackett at WLB is interesting. I just wish he wasn’t on the team. Overpaid and overrated. I agree Angerer should just stay at MLB. I didn’t miss Brackett at all vs. the Browns. Just name Bethea the captain and move on.

by FatDT on Sep 21, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

If our coaches did not move Rob Morris...

…our run D would not have been good in our SB run. Rob Mooris, Booger and Sanders coming together with Bethea surprising as a hidden gem is what won our SB for us.

You have to see what is going on with our LB corp and be willing to move an aging Brackett to weakside.

by chad72 on Sep 21, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

too bad it only took 6 years

for the colts to figure out rob morris was a better fit outside….

by BLOODontheTRACKS on Sep 21, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's what I've been saying

If the Colts had 3 veteran LBs, not just 1 who isn’t really qualified to play his position (Bracket, too short and not big enough), the D would be much improved regardless of who plays the other positions.

Being in the right place at the right time is what these coaches want the players to do. The 1st and 2nd year LBs that continue to miss assignments, play out of position and overpursue lanes are the biggest reason why the run defense is so terrible. Well, that and that the DTs and DEs are being asked to slant sideways across the line instead of just eating blockers at the line.

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by AceOfSpades on Sep 21, 2011 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oops

In that case, if the season is going downhill, we might as well see what Painter has in store for us. If Manning was going to come back, it made sense to rely on a vet QB to hold the fort for a few games till Manning came back.

But if the vet cannot win you enough, it would be time to see what your backup that you have invested time in can do. Painter probably knows more of the playbook and knows our O-line deficiencies better than Kerry Collins at this point. Kerry Collins will not be with the Colts next year, no doubt about that in my mind. When teams stacked the box when he played on good running teams, he had 2 wideouts vs 3 in the secondary that he could complete passes against. Not the case now when teams believe they can stop our run with just their front 7.

by chad72 on Sep 21, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

From what i have seen

I like suggestions 1 and 3.

I am not privy to enough Colts info to know if ijalana is even ready to play yet.

I disagree with #4. i believe we have seen wath CP can do and its not much, definitely not more than what Collins can do when he becomes comfortable in our Offense…Collins has a WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYY better arm

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by dezznutz1001 on Sep 21, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

We've seen what CP can do in a handful of preseason games?

and a couple halves of football sans starters?

"It's about the journey--mine and yours--and the lives we can touch, the legacy we can leave, and the world we can change for the better."
— Tony Dungy

by Mark Olson on Sep 21, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Brackett

I would just assume leave him on the injured list and upgrade that position in the offseason, whether through the draft or FA.

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by AceOfSpades on Sep 21, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

The current coaches are too dumb to think outside of the box and clearly don’t know what to do to get the most out of the players.

by tapper on Sep 21, 2011 10:42 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Stastics be damned...

0-2 has no bearing on whether the season is “finished.” At a certain point, yes, our record will eliminate us from the playoffs, that’s when an article like this becomes relevant.

Take some chances, shake some things up, but balls to the walls try to win games.

by GoHorse88 on Sep 21, 2011 10:44 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Anytime you have a team trending downward, it's bad for the coach

I think this year would have been worse or the same as last year even with Peyton, so that doesn’t bode well for the coach. You’re right, Caldwell is a smart guy, but is he Head Coach smart? I’m not so sure now. He’s certinaly not the worst, but the Colts still have a lot of cache to go out and grab a great HC. What I can’t decide is should we try and get an established coach like Cower or Fisher, or try and get someone up and coming.

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by danorocks17 on Sep 21, 2011 10:47 AM EDT reply actions  

An interesting option

would be Winston Moss, LB coach and assistant HC in Green Bay.

by FatDT on Sep 21, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

i guess my issue is I don't know who would be a good "new" HC

so I’m cna’t really offer up any options lol

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by danorocks17 on Sep 21, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Another option

Might be Mike Zimmer. BBS doesn’t think much of the idea but I would like to see it.

by FatDT on Sep 21, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Cowher or LeBeau

Why hasn’t LeBeau gotten his shot at being HC?

by manningtoharrison on Sep 21, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good question

I’m not sure if he has ever wanted to be a HC or interviewed for such a job. At this point in his career he is probably too old.

by FatDT on Sep 21, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

2000-2002

Head coach of the Bengals

"Cat in the wall, eh? Ok, now you're talking my language. I know this game."
-Charlie

by Addai Another Aday on Sep 21, 2011 11:42 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Went

12-36

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-Charlie

by Addai Another Aday on Sep 21, 2011 11:44 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Apparently

he should stick to coaching just defenses. His record looks like Caldwell’s college record.

by FatDT on Sep 21, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

He definately falls under the "bad coach, good coordinator" area

Like Wade “Coach YukYuk” Philips.

"Cat in the wall, eh? Ok, now you're talking my language. I know this game."
-Charlie

by Addai Another Aday on Sep 21, 2011 11:54 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

"Wide" Phillips

Or Norv Turner for that matter. Great offensive mind, bad bad HC.

by FatDT on Sep 21, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

This may sound different...

…but I would like Bo Pelini as defensive co-ordinator for the Colts (if Jim Tressel or Jon Gruden are hired as head coach). Look at Bo Pelini’s resume:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bo_Pelini

Everywhere Bo Pelini has gone, he has turned around the defense. He has defensive backs coaching experience at the NFL level too. Let us not forget Mike Tomlin was a defensive backs coach before he was hired by the Steelers. I think he coached Ndamokung Suh, Glenn Dorsey and Tyson Jackson. Too bad Glenn Dorsey and Tyson Jackson are used in a 3-4 while Suh is used correctly in a 4-3 by another good defensive mind, Jim Schwartz.

by chad72 on Sep 21, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think

It’d take a lot of money to pry him away from Nebraska.

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-Charlie

by Addai Another Aday on Sep 21, 2011 11:46 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yeah...

…I did think about that. That might be the biggest deterrent to getting Bo Pelini.

by chad72 on Sep 21, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Calling the season lost after two games is ridiculous. Yes, they’re two really rough games, and we’re likely to get our butts handed to us on Wednesday, but I don’t think you could plug any quarterback other than Peyton Manning into this offense and expect anything other than what we’re getting.

Regarding Hughes and Brown, they’re both being used incredibly poorly.

Hughes is a pure pash rusher. I was under the impression the Colts would occasionally line up in a 3-4 with Hughes as the Joker LB to bring some extra heat. Wheeler apparently has value as a pass rusher, but can cover and stop the run (albeit not terribly well), so why not put in a 3-4 package where either Hughes or Wheeler drops into coverage, and the other rushes the passer?

Regarding Brown, he’s not a between the tackles guy as our offensive line is constructed now. He’s an in space guy. He shouldn’t be asked to pass-pro; just get into space and make some magic happen. He’s easily the fastest and most elusive back on the roster, and those are skills we can use.

Whether it’s Caldwell or Polian that’s refusing to tinker, I don’t know. What I do know is that this team needs to be more aggressive and it needs to do something different. However, I don’t believe that firing any of the coaches is going to accomplish that.

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by MonkeyBusiness on Sep 21, 2011 10:57 AM EDT reply actions  

I wonder why they haven't tried brown in kick offs and punts?

He seems to be somewhat shifty and fast

The middle of our line is terrible, so no surprises he sucks there. I wish they would use him with some swing passes and such

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by danorocks17 on Sep 21, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly…Caldwell and Polian are dickheads

Why not use Brown for returns? What are they saving him for? the Playoffs?

by manningtoharrison on Sep 21, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just heard a Bengals fan on 1070 that was brilliant

Things could be much worse. Our franchise QB could be sitting on the couch at home uninjured refusing $12M because he doesn’t want to play for the team… He said ‘Be a real fan and get behind your team!’

"It's about the journey--mine and yours--and the lives we can touch, the legacy we can leave, and the world we can change for the better."
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by Mark Olson on Sep 21, 2011 11:04 AM EDT reply actions  

If Mike Brown ran the Colts

would you support every decision he made?

by FatDT on Sep 21, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

We are all...

…going through a reconciliation process, getting out of denial that it is going to take a while for a Manning less team to start winning. Until we get to that point, the incessant questioning will continue. We can’t say that our standards are set high and then be happy with failure as well.

I think it was you who said maybe we should have not gotten Kerry Collins and just gone with Painter who knew our system and O-line deficiencies. If yes, you could not have been more right.

I think they wanted to avoid bad PR by trying to get a vet in since fan sentiment was not in favor of Painter (who is responsible for that? Painter himself, and game 16 of the 2009 season unfortunately for Painter). They could get more leeway with fans expecting them to show up for games bringing in a vet and then say that at least they tried. Then, if they put Painter in if the vet fails, that would be smarter business. I think that is why Kerry Collins was brought in, to avoid bad PR, and hoping Manning would be out only for a few games but the management made a knee jerk reaction in the process, just like the fans are accused of :-).

by chad72 on Sep 21, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah, I was against the Collins signing

My theory is that Painter wasn’t showing them anything good until they signed Collins, then they make a game plan as a last ditch effort for CP and boom the Packer’s game hits..

It was a tough spot for GM and coach to be in at that point because you just signed a QB for a lot of money, and CP just showed his first real promise (in a game). It was a lose lose situation. Do you take your blows while KC gets aclimated or do you keep looking at CP getting ripped for paying so much for an elderly backup, and then possibly not having it pan out in the end anyways because it was just 1 good game..

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by Mark Olson on Sep 21, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

If anything, the Colts should at least play Brown and Hughes and hope they show some flashes of competence….only then will we ever be able to use them as trade bait

And yes…Polian is an effing idiot

by manningtoharrison on Sep 21, 2011 11:10 AM EDT reply actions  

Why can’t Donald Brown at least return kicks and punts? Hughes should definitely be playing some Linebacker

by JCub3d on Sep 21, 2011 11:11 AM EDT reply actions  

Why can't Donald Brown return kicks?

Why would the Colts use him when they have Lefeged to return it to the 12 yard line?

by Ayrshire on Sep 21, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd

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by dezznutz1001 on Sep 21, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hughes at LB

this guy seems more like a LB than a DE.

i think there will be a new regime once Peyton is gone. i don’t see them getting a new head coach or front office until then.

by Jarvo on Sep 21, 2011 11:22 AM EDT reply actions  

I expect them to keep the current regime too.

They’ve squandered the first 13 years of Manning’s career. Why stop now when there’s only 3 or 4 years to go?

by Ayrshire on Sep 21, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree

I think there will be some wholesale changes in the off-season, which includes Polian.

Rumors are swirling tha Pm has had it with Bill Polian and that letter Dungy sent put before he retired pointed to the fact Polian was becoming an issue with him…but of course its all rumor and conjecture till then

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by dezznutz1001 on Sep 21, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Rec'd

Agree with your point about P and Polian. What letter are you talking about? I never heard of that….please explain.

I also think there will be some major changes this offseason and I think it is long overdue. I would like Peyton to be paired with a coach who will be given the authority to make ballsy decisions when needed instead of bowing to Polian’s every say as Caldwell does and it seemed Dungy was also “asked” to do.

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by AceOfSpades on Sep 21, 2011 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Paralyzed by Success...

The Colts organization experienced winning over the past decade based mostly on Manning. The organization did a pretty good job of building a team around Manning. However, at some point the organization came to the conclusion that the reason for the success was because of their philosophy and approach to the roster, the offensive and defensive schemes, the special teams, etc. But it really wasn’t true. Other organization models and philosophies could have won with Manning. Some would have done worse, some better. But now that Manning is out of action, the organization is trying to rely on its philosophy and approach to weather the storm. So, they speak of “correctable errors” and making small improvements, while most observers, outside the organization, realize that the philosophy and approach mean little or nothing at this point. If they want to win some game this year, they need to make big adjustments in scheme, protections, defensive aggressiveness, and special teams. They have to play like an underdog that needs every yard of field position and every point. And, Brown and Hughes could be part of this. Brown should be returning punts (and, I mean returning the punt, not just fair catching it). If that puts Brown at risk of injury, so be it, he’s the third RB. Hughes should be a stand up rusher because he could very disruptive in that role.

by MichColtFan on Sep 21, 2011 11:27 AM EDT reply actions   3 recs

Making a Change

Hey, if the team goes 0-8, 0-9, 0-10 what is stopping the front office of firing Caldwell and gamble on Tressel to the rest of the year? I mean, he’s already on the payroll. I don’t really think he is the best fit for HC for the Colts, or that he should be the HC next season, but hell, I’m sure he’s a better coach than Caldwell.

by hungrycoltsfan on Sep 21, 2011 11:37 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Tressel

He would have to be an interim coach only…I see what you’re saying. I would hope that he isn’t being considered as a future HC though.

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by AceOfSpades on Sep 21, 2011 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree. Coaches need to get off their high horse and start playing the younger guys to see what they can truly offer.

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by Sparhawk on Sep 21, 2011 11:45 AM EDT reply actions  

Peyton will have a say

This offseason Peyton will have a huge say in whether or not Caldwell is retained. I mean he’s apparently the entire offense and defense so why not make coaching decisions as well

by CrazyBlueSniffer on Sep 21, 2011 12:43 PM EDT reply actions  

I suspect Peyton probably views

the head coach and offensive coordinator as thorns in his side to some degree, especially when time-outs are called at the wrong times. When Moore was on board, it was probably totally different. He was a kindred soul to bounce ideas off of. But, I’d be willing to bet that Peyton would be very happy with a kick-ass defensive coordinator and a kick-ass special teams coach, and I believe he’d be even happier if the offense could just be left to him. In other words, I bet he thinks: ‘leave the offense to me, just take care of the defense and special teams and we’ll go places.’ JMO

by Ayrshire on Sep 21, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Agree

I would like to see a coach brought in that has the respect leaguewide to bring in a stud DC that can turn this shit around. P will take care of the offense and the HC and DC will work to overhaul and actually improve the defense and JMO Polian should ride off into the sunset and let nature take its course. Hopefully Manning can get one more SB and can retire as one of the best ever.

Daydream over.

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by AceOfSpades on Sep 21, 2011 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Way too early

No NFL team should ever regard themselves as “done” after only two games. If the Colts stay as bad as they’ve looked so far, there will be plenty of opportunities to work long-term prospects in December and maybe November. But right now the Colts’ staff ought to be scrambling to figure out how they can win games with what they have available. Many teams have come back from 0-2 starts to make the playoffs, or at least make serious runs that put them in contention. This team still has lots of talented players.

by ex-Viking fan on Sep 21, 2011 12:49 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree...

It’s still early. The job for the coaches is to figure out how to win, at least until they are mathematically eliminated. I think there are ways to use the skills of Brown and Hughes to achieve the same the goal (or least try to). Another thing that people have to realize is that the AFC South is one injury to Matt Schaub away from turning into the NFC West. If Schaub went down in the next few weeks, a team could win the South at 8-8 or 9-7.

by MichColtFan on Sep 21, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

If the Colts won the South at 8-8

Then the post Manning era will be about 5 years of horrible football before it gets better. They will still be drafting at the end of each round and the talent level will continue to grow stale.

In a way, this team needs a really down year to keep competitive for years to come. No other team has had zero down years like the Colts.

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by AceOfSpades on Sep 21, 2011 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

START IJALANA

This team is not going to win. Caldwell is coaching for his job but it wont matter. I just hope they hire a better coach than Caldwell. With this organizations disfunction they might hire someone worse if that is possible.

by SRBradford on Sep 21, 2011 1:47 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree

The only reason I could think of that they wouldn’t is that he would resort to bad techniqe if he’s rushed in and it would be harder to shake later on. Try to coach out the flaws before the game situation.

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by Mark Olson on Sep 21, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

if i was

jim tressel i would smile everytime i pass caldwell cause i know his job would be mine soon

by NewYork ColtsFan 9212 on Sep 21, 2011 1:50 PM EDT reply actions  

I think what a lot of people are realizing and is sort of flip flopped in this article

is Hughes is not a bust as a player but was drafted to a team who doesnt play in his natural format and doesnt seem wiling to move him to a position in which he obviously succeeds on this team.
Its sad that the stubbornness to stick with the current flow of things is making players like brown/hughes/angerer look less than useful

by C.Settles on Sep 21, 2011 1:53 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

at 0-3 start experimenting in earnest

I like the idea of Hughes at LB. You have nothing to lose and might salvage a lost draft pick.

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by indylator on Sep 21, 2011 1:59 PM EDT reply actions  

I like it too.

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by Bronn on May 17, 2011 4:56 PM EDT

by Sparhawk on Sep 21, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whats always bugged me about Brown

It’s always bugged me that we passed over Hakeem Nicks and Kenny Britt to draft Donald Brown. Really? And it’s not like it was one of those deals where you can say “well, hindsight is always 20/20. Everyone was saying Don Brown was a 1st-rounder.” I personally was screaming at the TV when we didn’t draft Nicks. Can you imagine how good our WR corps could look with Wayne, Nicks/Britt & Collie? I know neither Nicks or Britt is a burner, and are a lot like Wayne, but still… Wayne and Marvin weren’t that different either, and that worked out pretty well.

by ColtsFanInTexas on Sep 21, 2011 3:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Nicks is like a younger, tougher Wayne

Which would’ve been great. I didn’t want a skill player but I did like Nicks and preferred him if we absolutely had to get one. Britt was my 2nd choice, because of his attitude and because Nicks just seemed like a better player.

Britt has surprised me by playing well even after being such an idiot in the offseason. He isn’t really like Wayne. He is a big body and has some speed. Reminds me more of Terrell Owens with better hands.

by FatDT on Sep 21, 2011 3:57 PM EDT reply actions  

ugh

I meant that as a reply to ColtsFanInTexas.

by FatDT on Sep 21, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

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