Apparently, Justin Tryon Is A 'Forgotten Man' In The Colts Defense UPDATE
by Brad Wells on Sep 23, 2011 3:42 PM EDT
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PrintPhil Wilson of the Indianapolis Star got a bit on an interesting answer from Colts defensive coordinator Larry Coyer regarding the overall status of corner Justin Tryon.
I asked #Colts defensive coordinator Larry Coyer, "Where's Justin Tryon?" The inference is he's a forgotten man. Coyer told me to ask HC.
For those of you who can't follow along, 'HC' means 'head coach.' Basically, Coyer didn't have an answer for Wilson. The only person who can give him one is Jim Caldwell.
UPDATE: Here's the quote from Coyer:
Where’s CB Justin Tryon right now? I’m convinced this guy is in the dog house for some unexplained reason.
“You know what, any of that stuff you have to ask Jim (Caldwell), to be honest with you,” Coyer said. “I like him a lot. He’s competitive. But where that is, it’s with our head coach.”
So, yeah. Coyer likes him. Caldwell doesn't.
We wrote an article earlier today that was critical of the reported decision to potentially start second year corner Terrence Johnson over Jacob Lacey, especially with Tryon on the roster.
Wilson went on to tweet these nuggets:
Coyer was being evasive in asking me to talk to Jim Caldwell about Tryon.
Tryon thinks he's in dog house. Don't understand. Guess Colts want to use younger guys
Um, okay. So, basically instead of playing a proven corner with starting experience (Tryon) against a team that is really good at throwing the ball (Pittsburgh), Caldwell wants to play either Jacob Lacey (who stinks) or Terrence Johnson (never started a game).
Ugh.
The whole 'coach's doghouse' thing just seems dumb to me. Justin Tryon is a better corner than Jacob Lacey and Terrence Johnson. He might even be better than Jerraud Powers. It's obvious he should be on the field more, and if the coach doesn't want to put his best players on the field, then the natural follow-up question is, 'Why is this guy the coach?'
It's one thing for someone like me to give up on the season, but it's another for the coach to effectively say that he more interested in looking at younger guys over winning the friggin game. Again, Tryon has starting experience and he is good cover corner. Makes no sense to sit him, and it's apparently a move that is not too popular around the complex.
Makes you wonder if Caldwell is still popular either. Certainly, he doesn't seem to be on Justin Tryon's Christmas card list.
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Always thought he was our best man to man cover corner. Caldwell needs to get over it and play the guy.
The question is, what is he getting over?
He is a terrible head coach and has accomplished absolutely nothing that a half-trained monkey couldn’t also accomplish, except calling more timeouts than the monkey would.
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by AceOfSpades on Sep 23, 2011 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you kidding me?
His answer was ‘ask the HC’? That is as evasive and pathetic as it gets. This team is in some serious shit.
it also has a ring of....
‘I have no idea why he’s not playing. Tryon’s clearly better. Caldwell made the call,…..ask him.’ I could be wrong, but that’s how it comes across.
by Ayrshire on Sep 23, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
True
Sounds like descension in the ranks…this is like a soap opera, they way it’s unfolding.
by CoolJohnnieBNasty on Sep 23, 2011 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
NO WAY Caldwell makes that call
That is straight BS! Polian makes all the calls, Caldwell is just a puppet. Polian got rid of anyone who challenges him i.e. Mudd, Moore etc.
by PurdueBoiler1995 on Sep 23, 2011 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
Sounds like we have a real insider here. Were you inside the complex when Moore and Mudd were “challenging” Polian? Sounds like you have some real good scoops about the inner working of the FO. Why hasn’t the Indy Star contacted you about writing stories.
SMH
Mudd and Polian have gotten into it before
It wasn’t any big secret. I don’t know how much Moore did or didn’t argue with Polian but the fact that they left under the idea they were retiring, only to get jobs elsewhere, should tell you something.
No kidding
Some people just can’t read between the lines. Glad you can.
by PurdueBoiler1995 on Sep 24, 2011 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
This is redonkulous
This is a sign that the coaches are unraveling. NOBODY points the finger at the HC unless there is much tension in the air. It is obvious to everybody and their blind cousins that Lacey sucks at football except Caldwell (maybe he’s a good hardworking kid… but hey, so was I, but nobody paid me $500k to suck).
It has been a LOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGG time since we’ve seen this folks… don’t underestimate how serious this is.
by coltsfanbeforemanning on Sep 23, 2011 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Just when you think this team
can’t get any more disfunctional.
its bad
The only thing that is keeping this from spiraling down is the veteran leadership… your Freeney, Wayne, Mathis, Clark, Brackett. They’ll fight to the end.
by coltsfanbeforemanning on Sep 23, 2011 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
My question
What if Coyer has been trying to play a more aggressive scheme, with A gap blitzing and man to man coverage…but Caldwell isn’t allowing it and prefers the bend but don’t break method?
Tweet some answers Irsay!!
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by AceOfSpades on Sep 23, 2011 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Makes you wonder
I remember in 09 when all the defensive players like Freeney and Brackett were so excited about the “new defense” and how much more fun and aggressive it was. And when Polian was interviewed he said the changes were minimal and that they would still play Cover 2.
Starting with the SB, the defense played completely differently. Most of 09 the defense was aggressive, blitzed more (and more effectively), the corners played bump-and-run and didn’t give up huge cushions. All that changed in the SB and hasn’t looked good since.
So is that Caldwell, or is it Caldwell doing Polians bidding?
Really a former QB coach should not be making defensive personnel decisions.
by FatDT on Sep 24, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
"Ask the HC"...
If the defensive coordinator is not allowed to put what he considers to be the best 11 out on the field, then they have some serious issues on that staff. And, there is no way Coyer should ever give “ask the HC” as an answer to any reporter questioning defensive personnel rotations. Not good.
by MichColtFan on Sep 23, 2011 3:42 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
This makes no sense
Why would we give up a draft pick in a trade with Washington for a player that can’t beat out two undrafted free agents for a starting berth? Surely this must once again bring into question the talent evaluation skills (or lack thereof) that currently exists within the front office!!
Honestly, I’m starting to think the recent roster ‘managment’ has set this franchise back at least three years, if not more
'Why is this guy the coach?'
That’s been my question for a long, long time.
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by coldy4goldy on Sep 23, 2011 3:53 PM EDT reply actions 6 recs
Turn this green
I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.
by AceOfSpades on Sep 23, 2011 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
If this is true
Than there is a lot more horse apples going on with this team. One for Coyer to say this is insubordination and this needs to be dealt with immediately and two if Caldwell will not follow his DC’s recommendations without reason Caldwell needs to go and I mean now! Not the end of the season or next week I mean now. This means Caldwell not only does not have any control over his staff he can not build a staff.
Great.
We got Coyer being insubordinate and talking out of turn. We have Irsay tweeting his riddles and leaking out certain info (no doubt driving Polian crazy in the process), we have Polian announcing certain events (announcements which should be reserved for the head coach to make)….and we have Caldwell speaking with his usual cryptic, evasive language (obviously being caught off guard and seemingly not in the know of team events and happenings). Hardly speaking with one unified voice, are they? Yeah, this is one finely-tuned well-oiled machine of leadership.
by Ayrshire on Sep 23, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Did we ever realize such dysfunction
was floating around in Peyton’s cerebrospinal fluid?
"I dig Jeff George's Camaro Cut"
I am usually not the guy to blow up but!
Are you fu#*ing kidding me!
This is not high school.
Answer the questions.
Get stone face up on the podium and ask the head coach WTF?
I am just disgusted with the personnel moves.
Maybe we are playing for Luck!
I know I may be overreacting but this shit is just building up inside of me!
That's what Tryon gets
for beating Caldwell in a staring contest.
"Cat in the wall, eh? Ok, now you're talking my language. I know this game."
-Charlie
by Addai Another Aday on Sep 23, 2011 4:11 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
WORST COACH EVER !!!!
This kind of stupidity makes me wonder WTF is going on. Can Irsay not see any of this. They should can him asap and get another coach in to get used to the team for next year….instead of Caldwell looking at younger players…we should be auditioning a new HC.
Absolutely idiotic !!!!
we will be after they go 3-13 or 2-14
hopefully the assistant Head coach pretending to act like a head coach gets fired we get Cower or gruden or Fisher , get #1 pick each round,, get a 4th place divsion schedule next yr Peyton comes back and leads Colts to SB,, Peyton in press box this weekend,,, they should let him call all the plays!!!!!
by OBGYNOSUPREME on Sep 23, 2011 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions
caldwell needs to go!
It’s time to get rid of him….he’s worthless and absolutely clueless
by boomer6x6 on Sep 23, 2011 4:19 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
In the dog house for what?
Not giving Jacob Lacey cushion?
by KBUnitz on Sep 23, 2011 4:21 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
I'm about as level headed a Colts fan as there is
But this garbage…
If Tryon thinks he’s in the “doghouse” and doesn’t know what he has to do to get a look for a starting position then that is total horseshit.
Every player should be given things they need to work on so they know where they stand with the coaches and against the other players at their position.
I always figure there’s something else going on behind the scenes when something seems so obvious to all of us, but the Colts stand their ground on a player. But this… Coyer can’t comment, Tryon doesn’t know why and Caldwell won’t comment. They’re just goofing around at this point. Come on!
The only think I can think of is how specific they are about who plays LCB and RCB. Tryon has been behind Powers on the depth chart and is always playing RCB and of course Lacey and Johnson have been at LCB since TC started. I never played football, but does the side of the field really matter for coverage purposes!?!? Anyone know about this?
Now you know
how Caldwell managed to win 1/4 of his games at Wake Forest. The best players were in the doghouse.
Tryon
Tryon cant tackle.. Corners on this defense must play run support. This is Lacey’s advantage, Tryon cant even pretend to stop a running back. This being said you wonder why they don’t insert Tryon on 3rd and 5 or better. This i don’t understand
http://footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2011/best-cornerback-charting-stats-2010
Yeah, I guess the guy that has the 6th best YAC allowed can’t tackle.
And that’s without him being closer to running plays because he’s not 10 yards off the line.
Stop talking absolute crap.
Antoine Bethea - the most underrated safety in the NFL.
by Ben Savage on Sep 24, 2011 6:52 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
How do you downvote a post?
Because this is absolute garbage. You obviously don’t understand what you’re trying to watch every Sunday.
by FatDT on Sep 24, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Slowly
This is worst than the Oakland Raiders at least Al Davis controls that team. Who is in charge here?
by dave1251 on Sep 23, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I know,
Peyton is in charge of this team. He really is the entire team, we might as well make him head coach after he retires(in hopefully 5 years). He might as well.
by willyoubemycharizard on Sep 24, 2011 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
The worst part
Is letting Caldwell go I do not see anyone on the staff that could be a interim head coach.
Agree - we're stuck with Caldwell for the season.
Also makes me wonder if the team is even interested in bringing in a dynamic, big name coach. Dungy wasn’t an shi* stirrer and Caldwell is nearly comatose on the sidelines.
Seems they want someone who won’t question management. Probably why Moore, Mudd and Huey were all kicked to the curb.
What do I really have left in life but this place? It ain't much of a home, but it's all I got. Well, g******it. I'll be damned if I let some foreign, graffiti writin', soul suckin', son of a bitch in an oversized cowboy hat and boots take my friend's souls and sh** 'em down the visitors toilet!
by Guy LeDouche on Sep 23, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Forgot Mora
Mora kicked ass and looked at what happened to him.
What do I really have left in life but this place? It ain't much of a home, but it's all I got. Well, g******it. I'll be damned if I let some foreign, graffiti writin', soul suckin', son of a bitch in an oversized cowboy hat and boots take my friend's souls and sh** 'em down the visitors toilet!
by Guy LeDouche on Sep 23, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Because of Polian
I think, if BP stepped down, the new coach would be a more stong minded individual like you see on almost every other team in the NFL. Polian wants to be the guy and that’s why he wanted Dungy and now Caldwell, because he knows they will just keep quiet about stuff and let Polian try to do everything.
I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.
by AceOfSpades on Sep 23, 2011 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmmmm
Interesting thought with Tressel.
Belichick – coach for the Colts biggest rival who wins with questionable coaching ethics.
Tressel – Best coach from the Big Ten (Polians’ favorite CFB conference) who wins with questionable coaching ethics.
They say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery!
What do I really have left in life but this place? It ain't much of a home, but it's all I got. Well, g******it. I'll be damned if I let some foreign, graffiti writin', soul suckin', son of a bitch in an oversized cowboy hat and boots take my friend's souls and sh** 'em down the visitors toilet!
by Guy LeDouche on Sep 23, 2011 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Anyone
If they are going to lose 12-14 games this season WITH Caldwell then who gives a shit who the interim coach is….can’t get much worse.
I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.
by AceOfSpades on Sep 23, 2011 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I care about who the new coach should be next year
and hopefully it won’t be Caldwell,,and who Colts will pick with the #1 pick in every round, and how Peyton will come back healthy next year
by OBGYNOSUPREME on Sep 24, 2011 6:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Right....next year
But I don’t care who the interim coach is this year if they are 3-10 or something and Caldwell gets fired.
I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.
by AceOfSpades on Sep 25, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
The Colts have become the Raiders
Everybody knows Justin Tryon should be starting. Maybe its all part of the master plan to make sure we get the number 1 pick. If it isnt then Caldwell should be fired immediately.
by SRBradford on Sep 23, 2011 4:42 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Man to Man
Justin Tryon was our best man-to-man CB last year. And he was actually a top15 in the league in many 1 on 1 statistics. Powers was good too, top 25-30, I believe, and Jacob Lacey was #1 in the league for “biggest cushion”
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There is no question Tryon is a better corner the Lacey.
Tryon is a MUCH more physical corner than Lacey and is also a pretty good pass defender. Even as a return man, Tryon can give contributions, so his value as an overall player is way higher than Lacey. Lacey had an okay rookie season and that was it. He has clearly regressed. So why is Tryon not playing? Sounds like they(Colts front office) are taking this potential number 1 pick very seriously. The Colts secondary is probably the weakest position on the team. So why not have a guy out there who can help? Why play the weaker player at the weakest position.
Caldwellocious!!! @#$#%@#%@#%!!
"If anything, we want to go out there and step it up. Of course it will be different (without Manning), but it’s one of those things that if it happens, everybody else has to step up. It’s next man up." - Pro Bowl safety Antoine Bethea
by thebossuzzi on Sep 23, 2011 9:06 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
go vote
yea like it matters… ohh boy :(
"If anything, we want to go out there and step it up. Of course it will be different (without Manning), but it’s one of those things that if it happens, everybody else has to step up. It’s next man up." - Pro Bowl safety Antoine Bethea
I wish I wasn't so lame with photoshop
It would be great if someone could find a sidelines picture of Tressel and change the color of his vest to blue with a Colts logo. Hint, Hint
"I dig Jeff George's Camaro Cut"
by PV Mike on Sep 24, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Time Out
This is awesome
TimeOut
by Jim"TimeOut"Caldwell on Sep 24, 2011 10:43 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You're right -
It couldn’t be that Tryon is in the dog house for anything reasonable. After all, people are always honest when you ask them “why are you in trouble?”. Coyer sending to Caldwell must be because Coyer loves Tryon, but Caldwell is a jerk and is pouty and just doesn’t want to win games, so he’s sitting out Tryon.
And sure, Tressel would turn this team around this year.
C’mon guys. If everything that Colts does that you don’t agree with expressly due to conspiracies and incompetence? What if Tryon is just not doing well in practice? What if there’s another personal issue that’s causing problems? We really just don’t know, so we speculate, but only in the most negative way.
He earned his chance last year.
Couldn’t give a damn how he plays in practice if he gives it in the game. I guess Freeney and Mathis must be lazy given how they take days off to not take part in practice? No. Because they bring it in games.
Antoine Bethea - the most underrated safety in the NFL.
by Ben Savage on Sep 24, 2011 6:55 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Manning and Caldwell
Anyone think that because Caldwell was Manning’s QB coach for those years, that Manning wants him to be the head coach… because Peyton doesn’t like change and because he’s submissive to him? Dungy pushed for him, too, because w/o being politcally incorrect, he is giving a minority coach a shot in the NFL. It all depends on Manning. Of course, I never thought Manning would allow Tom Moore to leave either.
I think it was more "Keep Jesus at the Wheel" than hiring a minority.
“Please coach, if we are playing awful Sunday night can we see just one F bomb being mouthed from you on national TV.”
"I dig Jeff George's Camaro Cut"
I believe the QB coach was Clyde Christiansen, not Caldwell
Caldwell’s title under Dungy was always something like Asst Head Coach.
Which is somewhere between being Assistant to the Regional Manager and being the Principal of a Home School.
Being in politics is like being a football coach. You have to be smart enough to understand the game and dumb enough to think it's important. -- Eugene J. McCarthy
i was wrong... caldwell was the QB coach his 1st 3 years in indy
Being in politics is like being a football coach. You have to be smart enough to understand the game and dumb enough to think it's important. -- Eugene J. McCarthy
More boneheaded decisions
by our glorious management. Where is the remote from Adam Sandler’s movie Click when you need it?
Nice Work
Big Blue Shoe nice work on the article. Insights like this are making it tuff to continue to support this team. I’m now on the fire Caldwell bandwagon. In addition whoever made the decision to waive John Chick and attempt to resign him to the practice squad in favor of Hughes can go as well.
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