2011 NFL Week Three News And Notes: Steelers 23, Colts 20
So, now that the craziness of Jim Irsay and his comments at the Super Bowl breakfast are behind us this morning, we can now go back to obsessing over the near-win-that-was-actually-a-loss last night over the Pittsburgh Steelers.
As I repeat to the point where people are starting to think I have Alzheimer's, we are realists around here. The season is over. 0-3 teams do not make the playoffs. In roughly fifteen years, only three teams have started 0-3 reached the postseason: 1992 San Diego Chargers, the 1995 Detroit Lions, and the 1998 Buffalo Bills.
So, please, erase the thought of (cue Jim Mora's high-pitched squawk) 'playoffs!' from your mind. The Colts, as a team, knew that an 0-3 start pretty much killed their playoffs chances, which was likely why they played balls-to-the-wall last night.
Of course, had they played like that the first two weeks, they might not be 0-3 now. Here are the notes:
- Pat Angerer should be the new starting MIKE for the Colts defense. He's clearly better than Gary Brackett right now. I don't care that Brackett is a 'team captain.' He is an inferior player to Angerer at this point. Since the season is over, only makes sense to let the kid keep playing. Brackett should be a goner at the end of the year anyway.
- Bill Polian told Bob Lamey in a post-game interview that Kavell Conner, Pat Angerer, and Philip Wheeler played as well at the LB position as any group that has ever played in Indianapolis during Bill's tenure. I agree with Bill. These should be Indy's starting backers for the rest of 2011. All three were beasts against the run last night.
- Conner still struggles in coverage. Ben Roethlisberger picked on his 'zone' all night.
- Impressive to see Jeff Saturday pretty much dominate Casey Hampton all night. Hampton is the best NT in football, when healthy.
- My goodness, this secondary is terrible. David Caldwell is this year's Aaron Francisco. How, in a base Tampa-2 look, does Mike Wallace get THAT wide open on the 81-yard TD?
- Joe Lefeged is better than David Caldwell. Why didn't Lefeged start?
- Nice to see a better effort from the offensive line. Yeah, Anthony Castonzo whiffed on the block that got Curtis Painter killed (sack, fumble, TD Steelers), but overall both Painter and Kerry Collins had time to throw the ball, and the Colts running game looked good.
- Is it a coincidence that the run defense looked better with Brackett and Fili Moala on the sidelines? No.
- Antonio Johnson was a beast last night. No one on the Steelers line could move him. That said, the Steelers offensive line is worse than the Colts. A lot worse.
- Nice to see Dwight Freeney and Robert Mathis essentially take over the game in the second quarter.
- Special teams = fart noise.
We'll write about the play of the quarterbacks later. Right now, while the secondary and the special teams for this team are woeful, it was nice to see this team's defensive front seven and the offensive line step up and play much better than they did in Weeks One and Two.
Thoughts? Ideas? Additional observations?
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Now wait a second here BBS...
In another thread you said Collins is better than Painter because they paid him more. Does the same hold true for Brackett over Angerer?
by Yougotme on Sep 26, 2011 12:17 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Seriously
Collins is better than Painter because Painter absolutely fucking stinks. But, just because Collins is better than Painter doesn’t mean Collins is ‘good.’
How hard is that for you to process?
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Got to play Painter for the rest of the season
Not because he is better, but because Painter’s play will do 2 things:
1. Allow Colts to get a better draft pick.
2. Polian must see Painter play the rest of the season. This way Polian can no longer make excuses for Painter as to why he needs to stick around. Painter is not an NFL QB.
Colts need to play ALL their young guys. Brown, Hughes, Pollack, etc. Give them experience so they can either get better, or we can cut ’em.
by PurdueBoiler1995 on Sep 26, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
At first I thought you were playing Purdue alum suck up to Painter
until I read your post further. You must have watched him play his senior year.
"I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and doggone it, people like me."
I almost wish I hadn't read that.
Polian must have seen it a different way.
I have to agree here...
you rarely get the top pick in the draft, but multiple variations of 2-14 to 5-11 get around the 2-5 spots.
Put painter in all season at this point. If he flourishes, he’s the backup we need and we get a semi-high pick.
If he sucks like we all assume he will, we draft Andrew Luck.
Win/Win – build on it for the future. This is how the Colts can move on from this year to more success.
Now, "wait 'till next year" looks like "Watch out for next year!" GO LEAFS GO!
Not hard at all, except for the fact that you used...
Collins salary to say that makes him better than Painter. Just to refresh:
“He got a $14 million dollar contract
That mans he’s better.
If Collins gets benched, that’s a player making $4 mill this year doing nothing."
So, I just want to understand if you feel that salary dictates who the better player or not. Those are your words, not mine. You’re saying that a player should play because he’s making more money. Donald Brown’s making a lot of money and sitting. Jerry Hughes is making a lot of money and sitting. Brackett is making a lot of money and sitting (although it’s injury related…). So, I’m just trying to understand the logic.
By the way – Collins stinks – he’s awful. In fact, he looks EXACTLY like Curtis Painter has in every game Painter has every played in. Neither player is an NFL QB. Painter is the better option because he’s at least shown the ability to move the team offensively a few times this year. Collins hasn’t moved SQUAT. There is ZERO logical reason to say that Collins is better than Painter EXCEPT that he’s making more money. And that’s NO reason to play a player.
Even though Painter missed that huge throw to the Garcon, he did pretty damn good on the TD drive..
The sack fumble was unavoidable by him…How do you let Troy P. come unblocked all game like that? Outsiders opinion: Collins sux bigtime.. start Painter… It might take a couple of games but I would bet a pacheck you win more games with him than Kerry Collins..
BTW…Exciting game guys.. You should have won that one… Defense showed some freaking heart.. I was inspired…
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by SALTWATERJAG on Sep 26, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Just a couple polite questions
I was recently given a warning for using the phrase “shut up” (and I apologize sincerely).
However, in this comment you drop the F-bomb, and question someone else’s mental capacity because he is questioning your consistency. I don’t think this adds up to fair, rational rules for how to be a part of this community. Can you please explain?
Second question is football: Are you willing to give credit to the coaching staff (ST aside) for getting their players ready and implementing a solid gameplan for this week?
by Matthew Shedd on Sep 26, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Pointing out logical inconsistencies...
can lead to name calling. It happens a lot. People don’t like those kinds of things being pointed out.
There is zero logical reasons for Collins to play at this point. Zero. None. Not one. Collins has demonstrated zero ability. Painter, one a scale of 1-10, as shown about a 1. But that’s a lot better than 0.
Not giving out hope
You have to admit, the Colts have a unique situation. Losing their biggest role player one week before the start of the season led to week one and two losses. Last night showed what we expected from the beginning. If you’re wrong about painter and he can put together a Cassel like performance, the AFC is open enough this year for the Colts to run this thing into September. Couldn’t ask for a better set of three games upcoming. Start over at .500 and get this thing running.
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— Tony Dungy
by Mark Olson on Sep 26, 2011 12:23 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Tampa Bay just shut down Matt Ryan in Tampa...
I watched that game – the Falcons could do nothing. I don’t see Tampa on the road as being a relief, especially if you can’t score against the Browns.
The Colts can’t score on offense. They’ve had 1 meaningful touchdown this year on offense – 1. In 12 quarters. Unless the defense can consistently put up 10-21 points a game via turnovers on the opponents side of the field, this team is toast.
True.
Not being able to get into the endzone is a huge detriment for a team. And, the defensive performance of last night (excluding the secondary) is not likely to be repeated every game. Last night’s game reminded me of last year’s Giants/Colts game. The defense looked great. But, it wasn’t repeated.
Totally agree...
The Colts will give up 150 yards rushing more this year than they will hold a team under 60. And, at the end of the day, they still lost. At home.
I agree
Last night performance was MUCH improved. It was game right to the end, and the Steelers are a superbowl caliber team.
We might not get to the playoffs, but I am not ready to give up yet. ( was expecting us to get our asses handed to us last night especially after a Wallace having 129 yards on 3 catches.. but it didn’t happen… that has give some optimism
I am actually now looking forward to the Tampa Bay game.
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by bluegirl on Sep 26, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i'd like to disagree with you
but not with your conclusions, just your reasoning.
i think the steelers are showing that they are NOT a super bowl caliber team.
we will not make the playoffs. we should NOT give up, either.
the tampa bay game is likely a lost cause (that’s a pretty decent team down there, but i don’t think atlanta is very good), but i’m hoping painter gets a shot and shows enough that we can safely, definitively rule him as better or worse than collins. right now, a lot of people think he’s about the same. i think he showed he can be mediocre rather than atrocious.
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"Nothing's complicated if you understand it." - Tom Moore
"It always takes longer than you expect, even when you take into account Hofstadter's Law." - Hofstadter's Law
Dallas Clark is
Just. This. Incredible.
Every time he has played this is what he has done:
Made 1 out of 4 or 5 passes, fumbled or thrown an interception. How can you win with that ?
by MrBoJangles46 on Sep 26, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Also, can we send out a search and rescue party for justin tryon?
Did he get caught in bed with Caldwell’s wife or something? Colts need him starting opposite Powers…
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by Mark Olson on Sep 26, 2011 12:31 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Tryon did play. He was as good as the rest of the midget CB group.
Why can’t we just agree, the scheme is wrong. There is no way the top 3 CBs all decline. Why I don’t get is why was Thomas the only inactive CB. I bet he is more useful, than Brown or Gonzo. BTW, if Collie is nicked up, why isn’t Gonzo getting some snaps.
Also, Eldridge pancaked Harrison. And still, Clark was blocking him most of the time.
Also, Castonzo didn’t whiff on the Harrison block. It was a sack for 9 yards. QBs never should be that deep. Especially vs Steelers.
by Ty46 on Sep 26, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
so, were our inactives
Peyton, Ernie, Gary, Melvin, Fili, Diem and KT, with KT being the only healthy scratch?
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It's called a 7 step drop
I’ll agree it was a bad play call, but Painter did nothing wrong. 7 steps allows a more intricate play to develop which takes time. not a good move when the coaching staff had to know the steelers were bringing pressure…
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The future looks bright
You can obviously see their is awful lot of talent on this football team. Anyone who says otherwise clearly knows nothing about football.
1. Drake Nevis – What a player this rookie is turning out to be.
2. Pat Angerer – Played in his natural position at MLB and it showed w/21 tackles.(12/9)
3. Pat McAfee – Too bad you can’t get 3 points for making it through the uprights on kickoffs. Also had a touchdown saving tackle- AGAIN.
4. Joe Addai – Really showed why the Colts have faith in their Pro Bowl running back. Oustanding blitz pick-up and averaged 5.1ypc.
5. Freeney and Mathis – Very effective last night at creating TO’s. Though 3rd downs were somewhat of a mystery. Freeney also was playing hurt. All Heart that guy.
6. Painter – The Purdue grad looked good on the game tying scoring drive. With more consistency he may assume the starting role over Collins.
Some things that need attention.
1. 3rd down defense – All night Big Ben had all the time in the world to find his receivers, which is somewhat odd considering how well the DE played.
2. 3rd down offense – WAY too many 3 in outs. Consistency desperately needed.
3. Special team coverage – While the kicks were good, tackling was not. Antonio Brown was able to give the Steelers very solid returns.
4. Play calling – I thought some of the run calls were very predictable. The Colts need to do a better job of concealing when they are going to run. Pass out off run formations and run out of pass formations.
5. Stable quarterback play.
6. The secondary – While Lefeged made a nice INT, the DBs were chewed up for 364yds and 67.6 completion pct, as well as 9.8y/a – That is not good. I was actually surprised the Steelers were not going for it every time on 4th down.
7. Red zone penalty – You can’t have holding calls when you are inside the 5 yd line
Lots of promise for the franchise once 18 returns. I’m sure Manning was in the booth thinking how great they would be with Manning having that running game.
by BlueInSD on Sep 26, 2011 12:36 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
You don't know much about Painter
Watched every game Painter played at Purdue and he has NEVER been accurate. Throws some great passes, but misses often. When you play FB all your life and you still can’t throw accurate passes consistantly, you cannot fix this with practice. He’s been practicing for 20 years!!!). He doesn’t know when he needs to “float” in a pass (see Garcon missed opp last night), lacks pocket awareness, doesn’t go through his progressions, etc..
by PurdueBoiler1995 on Sep 26, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Painter still sucks
has the lowest ESPN QB rating,, He could have been a hero withat fist throw, Garcon great move , wide open would have been 6 points and he overthrows him!!!!! and every game he is good for at least one fumble or INT , that ball would have long been out of Peyton’s hand, that he had knocked out of his,,,, let CP play now, Colts are not going to playoffs,, Freeney and mathis played their asses off- too bad for them,,, I’ll take a top 1 or 2 pick,, an easier schedule next yr and a healthy Peyton !!!!
by OBGYNOSUPREME on Sep 26, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I disagree.
If he couldn’t play “period” he would have folded after the sack/fumble instead of leading an 80 yard TD drive with Polamalu in his face on every play.
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I must have been watching another game. I thought that was Joe running the ball, maybe that was Curtis ?
by MrBoJangles46 on Sep 26, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I said "leading" the drive...
I didn’t say he completed the drive single handedly. It’s a common term used when discussing QB play since they touch the ball on every play and distribute it. If the drive had been a one play, 80 yard TD run by Addai, you would be correct. It wasn’t, so you’re not.
"There was some talk: do they take me or Ryan Leaf and I said: 'Look, here's the deal. If you don't take me, I'm gonna kick your butt for the next fifteen years'."- #18
The view from here
1) I was impressed with Ben Nevis. If he keeps improving then you guys have found a gem.
2) Looked very good. I think you d-line helped set up the LBs and safeties to succeed in the run game.
4) He looked very good out there but then your o-line was owning Smith all night.
5) People in Pittsburgh are ready to lynch Scott for the way Freeney owned him all night. Our O-line was at best mediocre at the best of times before last night. Their performance last night didn’t help their case.
1) Ben had less time than normal and your defence killed our running game. The Steelers do have a good set of receivers, even if Sanders was off his game, giving Ben a lot of options on third down.
3) Antonio Brown is an amazing returner. He has made a few ST look ill.
Also Wallace has amazing speed (just slightly faster than Antonio Brown iirc) and the communication between him and Ben is improving.
I thought the Colts played well in trying circumstances. They were one big play from winning last night.
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Sep 26, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Brackett is still a good coverage MLB, I think there'll be room for all 4 to contribute
I’m willing to compliment the coaching staff on an in-game adjustment, going to Lefeged over Caldwell.
I actually expected Mike Wallace and his comrades to catch 3 or 4 touchdowns. Besides that early 81-yard play, containment was pretty decent. Those CB cushions could be shortened up a bit, but this was not the WR corps to try to bump-&-run against.
We nearly played top-notch competition to a dead heat. Tampa should be scared.
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by zherebyonki on Sep 26, 2011 12:39 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Brackett should be in in nickel only
BTW, i had Wallace in a few of my mocks back in the day, and also D. Moore from Oakland in all of them. And both are Players with a big P. Colts should have listened.
by Ty46 on Sep 26, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Brackett's not even that good in coverage anymore
It goes without saying that he’s a liability vs. the run, but his age and injuries have made him less effective in coverage.
Tampa is not scared of the Colts. No one is scared of the Colts. I enjoyed the effort last night but get real.
ok, not scared, but they should consider themselves "on notice"
Being in politics is like being a football coach. You have to be smart enough to understand the game and dumb enough to think it's important. -- Eugene J. McCarthy
They're probably scared of Mathis and Freeney,
but not the offense.
those two guys can tesseract through space-time
but our offense is quite terrestrial
Being in politics is like being a football coach. You have to be smart enough to understand the game and dumb enough to think it's important. -- Eugene J. McCarthy
I believe
Enough said! 9 wins could win this division or get us a wild card this year. The playoff’s are not out of reach and I wish the Colts would of played like this the first two weeks. We would be wining the division. Also it is only a matter of time before someone cries about Angerer’s coverage skills. So keep in mind he is a beast against the run but he needs work in coverage. But I am happy with his development.
by dave1251 on Sep 26, 2011 12:42 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I tough pollak played very well
I would start him in place of diem from now on
It was just one game
I agree he played well. Linkenbach was pretty good too. But there’s a lot more evidence for them both sucking long term and one game doesn’t change everything.
I want to see more good games from him before I buy the idea that he’s changed.
agreed
i give props to both for this game, but they’re known to be inconsistent.
"We'll put em in the pot, shake it up and see what comes out." - Howard Mudd
"Nothing's complicated if you understand it." - Tom Moore
"It always takes longer than you expect, even when you take into account Hofstadter's Law." - Hofstadter's Law
Dallas Clark is
Just. This. Incredible.
Linkenbach didn't even play enough to be consistent or inconsistent
And overall, he had like 5-6 bad plays in 3 games.
Time will tell
He will probably play this game against TB. Lets see. I tough he played well after he got benched last year as well.
Home vs Away
The game was competitive and interesting.Can’t ask more than that.A bit of caution,did the Steelers take the Colt’s seriously? How many teams will take them seriously? Next week in Tampa will it surprise anyone if the Colts get mauled? I won’t be surprised this is the norm of all mediocre teams.They play so much better at home then turn into a completely different team on the road.Next week I believethe question on this blog will be what happenned to ou r Defense.If this Defense plays next week like it did Sundy nite then I think that we will have something to talk about
if anyone is surprised at the difference between the colts defense at home vs away
they haven’t been paying close enough attention to them for the past 5 years or more.
"We'll put em in the pot, shake it up and see what comes out." - Howard Mudd
"Nothing's complicated if you understand it." - Tom Moore
"It always takes longer than you expect, even when you take into account Hofstadter's Law." - Hofstadter's Law
Dallas Clark is
Just. This. Incredible.
Nevis!
Played like a MAN last night. Got a little national TV love for the effort too. Imagine this running offense, and this run stuffing defense…. with Manning starting! LoL oh geez.
by Colts93 on Sep 26, 2011 1:29 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
DRAKE NEVIS
Need i say more for a rookie he was throwing off double teams to create penetration i loved it
by lesismor191925 on Sep 26, 2011 1:45 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
he looked good
a lot of upside,, once more CP lets us down
by OBGYNOSUPREME on Sep 26, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
collins let us down far more than painter did, and with better opportunities.
"We'll put em in the pot, shake it up and see what comes out." - Howard Mudd
"Nothing's complicated if you understand it." - Tom Moore
"It always takes longer than you expect, even when you take into account Hofstadter's Law." - Hofstadter's Law
Dallas Clark is
Just. This. Incredible.
by McAfee#1 on Sep 26, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Conner
Dude is a beast in the run game, but for the love of god he can not cover anything. He was so lost in zone coverage all night. Adrian Moten showed some promise in pre-season, he needs to replace Conner in the nickel until Simms gets back.
by bobferg on Sep 26, 2011 2:04 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
had to get past raging disagreement with your presentation (nothing new here)
but liked the article once i actually read it. i disagree with a couple points, but i disagree on opinion and think the argument is reasonable.
“The season is over.” is fallacious. No season is over after 3 games, though my expectations for this season are on par with preseason games. i’ll be ecstatically happy when they do well, but am prepared for a loss every week. that doesn’t mean we stop supporting the team.
gary brackett is older, slower, hurter and not as good as angerer. but there’s still a place for him on this team in certain packages. him being gone at the end of the year is probably a blessing, and i say that with all affection.
"We'll put em in the pot, shake it up and see what comes out." - Howard Mudd
"Nothing's complicated if you understand it." - Tom Moore
"It always takes longer than you expect, even when you take into account Hofstadter's Law." - Hofstadter's Law
Dallas Clark is
Just. This. Incredible.
the running game has been a revelation this year
I’m really impressed with how we run block and the strong running of Joe and Carter. Pass protection has been (save for a few rookie mistakes) pretty damn good. Dallas has been frustrating this year. I dont know if that’s due to circumstance, but he’s been very unimpressive so far. Run D is the best i’ve seen in a long time, especially last night. Our secondary is beyond pitiful.
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defense was amazing last night
except for the deep ball to mike wallace and the few times w allowed ben to run the defense looked great and i agree with BBS Angerer should be the starter
by NewYork ColtsFan 9212 on Sep 26, 2011 3:16 PM EDT reply actions
Did anyone else chuckle when Collinsworth repeatedly called our stunting...
stupid. I can see using the stunt with a guy like Wheeler when he’s playing DT, but Mathis? Ridiculous, and I’m glad CC called Coyer out on it.
I generally think he is awful, but . . .
I thought Mike Pollack looked solid last night. Definitely showed 2nd round talent. Not sure what got into him.
Also, I can’t for the life of me figure out why we absolutely SUCK on 3rd and longs. Our defense was outstanding last night, and I’ll even give them a pass on the Mike Wallace bomb, because he does that to everyone. But, my God, there is no excuse for the 3rd and 7’s, the 3rd and 8’s and the 3rd and 9’s getting converted! It was laughably predictable last night.
Suck on 3rd and long?
Maybe our DB’s play 10 yard off the receivers and some of our LB’s have issues with coverage.
"I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and doggone it, people like me."
Curtis Painter is better than
Collins. We are going to see a much more exciting, and relaxed Painter from now on.
I think
the reason you seen the LBs do so well is because a lot of attention was paid to Freeney and Mathis, also Nevis. When those guys occupy the linemen, Angerer is free to run to the ball. I still believe Angerer should be starting instead of Brackett. Colts D is too predictable, they bring in Anderson,Brayton when they are playing run, Free and Mathis when playing the pass. If I were a QB, I would just call an audible.
This D isn’t that far off from being an absolutely DOMINATING D. Here is the fix: Sign Pat Williams, he demands two linemen to get any kind of movement off the line. He immediately gives the QB NO lane to step up into because the two hunters are coming off the outside. That makes the DE’s more effective. Start Drake Nevis with that group since he is fairly effective against the run and pass. That in turn makes the LBs more effective. Colts have a horrid secondary so if they only have to cover for a few seconds, it will cover up their deficiencies. Let them play 5 yards closer to the WR.
Trade for Asante Samuel, give up Brackett and a 2nd round pick in 2013. So this is what the D should look like:
DE-Freeney
DT-Pat Williams
DT-Drake Nevis
DE-Robert Mathis
OLB-Sims
MLB-Angerer
OLB-Wheeler
CB-Asante Samuel
FS-Bethea
SS-Lefegede
CB-Powers
6 inches at a time
colts have always touted their off season work making them more polished, professional, cohesive etc. i dont think they got that with peyton out and the strike. i think it affected them as much as any team – even some with new regimes. We will see progress. whats hard is the most critical position, QB, is at best, weak. wouldnt be surprised if they tantalize us with a few in-division wins and stay in contention for a spot… i plan to stay on the bandwagon.

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