Peyton Manning Injury Silver-Lining Thoughts: Pressure On Colts Front Office To Change
by Brad Wells on Sep 9, 2011 3:26 PM EDT
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PrintThis is a series of articles focused on some very positive 'silver-lining' type stories surrounding the Manningless Colts for 2011.
Part One: Is Jim Caldwell A Real Coach?
Part Two: Pressure On The Front Office To Change
For the first time since 2001, when the Indianapolis Colts struggled through a horrible 6-10 season due, in most part, to poor talent on defense, there is real pressure on this Colts front office. For years, Bill Polian and his sons have botched the back-up quarterback situation for this team only to have the durability and genius of Peyton Manning cover their mistakes. Since 2007, they have wasted early round draft picks on crappy players like Tony Ugoh, Mike Pollak, and Donald Brown. When you really stand back and look at the football operations for the Colts since 2007, they've been living off reputation, not results.
A reoccurring theme many have for the Polian Regime is, 'When Manning leaves, the chickens will come home to roast.' Well, Manning is now gone for 2011, and I just heard a rooster crow.
With Manning gone, another 'silver-lining' story is that we, as fans and media, will finally get to see what this team's talent level truly is.
It certainly looks grim to start the season, what with 2009 and 2010 first rounders Donald Brown and Jerry Hughes (respectively) relegated to third string. On the offensive line, which was a train wreck prior to the 2011 NFL Draft, the Colts chose not to re-sign the dependable Charlie Johnson and released durable guard Kyle DeVan in the cut down to 53. Both are now starters on the Vikings and Eagles, respectively.
Meanwhile, draft bust Mike Pollak is still on the team along with the disappointing Jamey Richard. Ryan Diem, who has been a shadow of his former self, has been moved to guard while rookie first round pick Anthony Castonzo is starting at left tackle.
As I noted in preseason, I like this new o-line... as long as Peyton Manning was under center. But, Kerry Collins is not Peyton Manning in the pocket. Peyton looks like a tango dancer compared to the stone-footed Collins. Even if Manning wasn't as fleet-footed as he is (or was), keeping the very best offensive linemen should have been a priority. While I'm not advocating for Charlie or Kyle's induction into the Pro Football Hall of Fame, wouldn't you feel better about this line if both of them were starting over, say, Diem and Linkenbach? Or, you know what? Forget them. Why not keep Charlie and Kyle over Pollak and Richard?
Imagine this line if Ryan Lilja hadn't been stupidly released in 2010.
Miscalculations and blunders like these were often covered up by Peyton's greatness as a field leader. Now, Peyton is in a hospital recovering, and there is nothing to hide the glaring weaknesses this team may have as a result of front office decision-making.
Should the Colts falter, the pressure will mount. Fans and media will not accept the 'Well, we don't have Peyton' excuse because people know the fallacy of building an entire team around a 35-year-old quarterback. For years, fans like yours truly have been screaming that management start building a complete team that utilizes Manning as a key part, not THE part. The Broncos in the late-1990s finally won two Super Bowls because they stop relying on John Elway to carry them and, instead, built a great team around Elway.
Hell, Elway missed the first four games of the 1998 season, and the Broncos went 4-0 during that stretch with Bubby friggin Brister as their starting QB!
Maybe, just maybe, the neck injury and spinal fusion surgery are the events that will FINALLY kick this front office in the nuts and get them to see the bigger picture. They cannot rely solely on Peyton anymore. Even if he comes back next year, he will be 36-years-old and probably won't be the same player. He could still be great, just not supremely dominant, as he was from 2003-2010.
Knowing this as a likely possibility, maybe 2011 is the year this front office finally 'gets it,' because if they don't the natives will get restless.
Next up: Time For The Defense To Earn Their Money
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Well
Maybe if we suck this year, it will force change and in 2012 we will be a better a team.
But I don’t think we will suck. Our offense is a ferrari, ready to go. Just need a driver. Doesn’t need to Michael Schumacher, just a driver.
I shall disagree
Peyton Manning was the ferrari, and it drove itself.
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by Brad Wells on Sep 9, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 10 recs
^^ This
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I agree with BBS on this one. It would be one thing if we can run the ball, but that is yet to be determined. If we can’t run the ball like the past 2 years, Colts don’t have a chance to win. The offense will need to avg like 30 pts just to compensate for the treacherous D.
The defense has too many glaring holes.
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by Bronn on May 17, 2011 4:56 PM EDT
I respecfully disagree
Our receiver core is very good. Reggie Wayne is a top 10 receiver in this league with or without Peyton. Austin Collie is a top 20 receiver. Pierre Garcon has the speed. Dallas Clark is great.
While I don’t think we will score in the 30s like we would with Peyton, I do think that we will score in the high 20s, if the D gives the team a chance.
I believe we will max protect and run a poor man’s NE Patriots offense, with underneath stuff.
And I believe our D is going to be good enough, with a very good pass rush.
Finally, I think we have a chance Sunday… I think the Texans will underrate this team, and pay for it.
by blacktobias on Sep 9, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Also
Coyer seems like he will be forced to play a more aggressive style with this defense. They may get burned from time to time, but being able to stop the run and force more turnovers will be the difference between years past of hoping Manning can pull a win out of his ass and having a more balanced team that can win by not making mistakes and playing smarter football overall.
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Agree and Disagree
We definitely have a load of talent on offense, but Manning was the binding agent. You think Collie is even half the receiver he is today without all the extra reps Manning put in with him? Wayne without 8 years of playing catch with Manning? Garcon without Manning putting the ball where he can actually catch it? All these guys are talented don’t get me wrong, and I’m sure if Collins had 3-4 years with them, they’d be productive. The issue isn’t that. The issue is Collins has had all of 1 month to come in here and learn the offense and develop a rapport with a whole new array of receivers, 3 of which have been injured (Collie/Gonzo/White). He doesn’t have the same timing and mind-meld zen as Manning had with Saturday either.
As much as I’d love to think Collins would come in and keep this Colts team from being better than 6-10, I just don’t think he can, in the time frame he’s been given.
The defensive line will be better, but the secondary has just not been good in the preseason. The defensive back group is pretty deep you might say, but they’re unproven and have been collectively mediocre in the preseason. This Colts team is going to give up at least 21-24 pts per game I would say, and I just don’t see the offense being able to produce at a rate to offset the pass defense.
That being said, I agree that we have a chance on Sunday, and any game of the season, but it simply isn’t realistic to expect that this team can beat the Texans without Manning. Kerry Collins in that pocket with essentially 4 O-linemen playing new(ish) positions against Mario Williams? eeeks
by LeftNutForAStarCenter on Sep 9, 2011 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Agree and Disagree.. Part 2
Collins takes this team to a 9-7 year. We can beat the Texans in Houston this year. I believe they beat us in Indy tho. They are running a new defensive scheme that will be beneficial to them, but Mario Williams? Really?!?!? Did you watch pre-season? The guy looks like a monkey F(@*$&G a football in a stand-up LB position. If they actually let him put his hand on the ground, he will be an issue, but he’s horrendous in the stand-up game. We are going to be shabby and slow and unmelded, but we do have a chance. Our running game is looking up with the O-Line being changed around. I actually don’t mind Diem being in the Guard position. I was calling for his head last year, but he actually looks promising at his new position. He’s no Tackle tho… It’s possible we have a winning season. We have a schedule to allow us to make it.
by diehardcoltz on Sep 11, 2011 6:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Pretty sure calling Mario Williams a monkey isn't a good way to go.
Regardless, he’s not dropping into coverage, and now he’s got an extra couple of steps to build up a head of steam, on a rookie Left Tackle.
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If the offense is a Ferrari,
what is the defense and special teams? A Pinto.
special teams isn't a car its a tricycle
defense has to be a beat to shit car with 24in Gold Daytons (freeney and mathis)
The defense may be a Mini Cooper
Undersized, but fast.
There is no other team in the NFL that is built around one player...
…as the Colts with Peyton.
by docjay0 on Sep 9, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
We shall find out in the next few weeks
Whatever we see on the field will likely be a scaled down, clunkly Chrysler Town and Country version of the offense…..not everybody can drive/be that ferrari. I am not a Collins hater either, but its still the biggest dropoff ever. If he had a month or so of preparation I would almost project you guys to win the division, but with minimal time to prepare I do not see him effectively running this type of offense.
by chaplinesque on Sep 10, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
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I like this BBS, very nice write up
Maybe, just maybe, our front office will actually realize our glaring weaknesses, and fix them for Peyton’s return, so we can win another ring in the Peyton Manning era!
by DFree on Sep 9, 2011 4:05 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
with all due respect to the colts and their fans, and manning, who i believe is the greatest qb in history, this isn’t the worst thing that could have happened. on the contrary, i think the colts have a great shot at taking andrew luck with the first pick—and thats not to say theyre gonna tank the season.
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by chaucer on Sep 9, 2011 4:08 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
with all due respect
this team, with collins is NOT worse than the Panthers, Bengals, Jaguars, Bills, Arizona, Seattle, Minnessota, San Francisco, and Denver. Heck, we could fight the Rams for the NFC west if we were in that division.
by blacktobias on Sep 9, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
we'll see
I think we’ll be about even with most of the teams you listed. Only the Panthers, Bengals, and maybe Broncos are likely to be worse.
Somebody with some sense......Refreshing..
I only say that because he had Jags on the list haha..
I personally think you are better than all those teams except for us (of course) and maybe Minnesota.
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by SALTWATERJAG on Sep 10, 2011 1:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm excited to maybe get
Alshon Jeffrey or Justin Blackmon
by Coltsfan1345 on Sep 9, 2011 4:12 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Justin Blackmon, maybe???
Alshon Jeffrey is the Brandon Marshall kind of WR that would certainly be a kind Manning has not had for a red zone target and demanding double team kind of wideout, he is a top 5-7 pick. Justin Blackmon, I have heard, drops too many balls for my comfort. If we cannot get our hands on Alshon Jeffrey and are a middle of round 1 pick, then the next position I’d solidify is CB by going for that Morris Claiborne guy from LSU. We have few playmakers in the secondary, we have enough pass rushers, we have to adapt to a passing league to beat the elite teams, IMO.
Alfonso Dennard
Alfonso Dennard, CB, Nebraska, is another physical CB that we could use
meh
I’ll be certainly curious to see how things turn out without manning, but I doubt we’ll have a terrible season. While I’m not advocating being kiss ass to the Polians, caldwell, irsay, I still think there’s too much bashing of the colts front office. It’s not a one dimensional job. Few teams maintain a high performing team year after year. This team is clearly built around a key star player since 1999. More accurately it has been built around a high scoring offense. Its also a game of taking risks because there are not unlimited funds. So you have to guess where u want to fund. You can pay everyone averagely, but then you’ll have an average team. We have invested in a high powered scoring offense, and manning’s ability to quick release meant we could divert funds from the oline to receivers. Sure, if you’d had unlimited funds, the job would be easier (see Yankees). But instead it’s multi faceted with calculated risks.
I guess we can bash and bash, but it makes more sense to make observations and offer advice. If there’s any hope of the team or players or the FO reading his blog, and taking its member suggestions, the over the top hating really needs to stop. If no one cares about that possibility, then flame away.
by buymymonkey on Sep 9, 2011 4:21 PM EDT via iPhone app reply actions 1 recs
Agree
They haven’t even played a game yet!!
Let’s judge them after the first quarter of the season. 4 games is a good enough sample size to see how this team should fare.
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by AceOfSpades on Sep 9, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
While I agree that BBS often is overly critic of the front office
I tough this article was well balanced. He doesn’t like the FO, but he was just expressing his opinion there
This write-up pretty much sums
up exactly what I’ve been saying for years. It’s too bad it took Peyton getting hurt to maybe force the front office to finally ‘get it’. Now we’ve lost another year of whatever dwindling time Peyton might have left. This particular native is not just starting to get restless. I’ve been restless for years, because the failure to build a team around Peyton has been so glaringly obvious, to steal a word from Caldwell. People can make excuses for Polian all they want. For years, I’ve listened to many Indy fans chant ‘In Polian We Trust’ and tell the rest of us who are sickened by idiotic management decisions that we’re just spoiled….and it about makes me want to blow chow. My feeling regarding Polian is nothing personal. I just don’t like his failure to give Peyton the proper support, which would have enabled Peyton to maximize his and the Colt’s potential. And, by winning a lot of regular season games and getting to the playoffs and even winning one superbowl, Peyton covered up a lot of things. Winning one superbowl and losing another in 13 years is hardly maximizing the potential of someone so uniquely great as Manning.
by Ayrshire on Sep 9, 2011 4:35 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Question:
If we somehow make the playoffs, and Peyton has been able to practice and such, should he take Collins’ place or not?
"'Walkseem' is the word Marty uses when he is angry.
And he walkseem! Walkseem again!" - Cuetotally Amazing
Peyton will not be able to play this season
But if he was healthy, somehow, and cleared to play by doctors….Manning would be the QB without question.
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by AceOfSpades on Sep 9, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I think Collins should stay, since he somehow guided the team to the playoffs, and, as much as I hate to say this, we all know about Peyton and the playoffs. It doesn’t seem fair to take him out after sticking with the team all season, even if the guy coming in is Peyton fucking Manning. If this crazy scenario somehow happened, I think Collins should be given a chance in postseason, then Peyton should start the preseason games and obviously the regular season.
Seeing Peyton in uniform for the first time again in a playoff game would be great, but I don’t think it’d be the best to start after a risky surgery and all that with a high pressure game.
But then again, he’s Peyton Manning.
I dunno.
"'Walkseem' is the word Marty uses when he is angry.
And he walkseem! Walkseem again!" - Cuetotally Amazing
We know Peyton and the playoffs?
What that he has the most games above a 90 rating ever?
How does he do it?
Don't worry about it
That’s like worrying about the taxes you’d have to pay if you won the lottery. It’s not happening so there’s no use in fretting about it.
Except when Marvin Harrison missed all season
then came in to the playoff game and had like 3 catches and 2 fumbles in the red zone
Nowing Polian and Caldwell logic, if the Colts are undefeated going into the last two games
they will decide to rest Collins for the playoffs and put Peyton in.
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What are you basing all of this conjecture on?
They haven’t even played a game yet.
I don’t understand how anyone can just give up on their team and assume that they will suck just because Manning won’t be playing this year. I think this will be one of the most interesting seasons in the past 15 years and I can’t wait for it to get started.
Hell, a large part of the idiots in this town have been saying for years that they think the Colts would be better off without Manning (and his contract too). Now they got their wish. While I don’t think the Colts are a serious playoff/SB contender without Manning that they would be with him, they are still going to be an average NFL team all around. That means they should be about a 7-9, 8-8 or 9-7 team. The bad news is, the have a 1st place schedule to deal with. But the good news is that the AFC South is full of garbage teams and the Colts are still going to be able to contend for the division.
I just hope all the bandwagon fans that want to jump off and give up on their team don’t let the door hit them on the way out.
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by AceOfSpades on Sep 9, 2011 4:55 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I will root every week for the Colts, but this team will win no more than 3 games. A young offensive line, no running game, Qb with 2 weeks to learn a complex offense, no chemistry with the receivers, poor special teams and an average defense that cant stop the run. I think we can all figure out what this means. Peyton covers up a lot of deficiencies. BBS is exactly right our drafting has been average at best over the last 5 years. But at least the Polians are trying. Look at the Bengals I dont think they even care about winning.
Polian better get another veteran backup for Collins
cause if he gets hurt Curtis painter" DOES NOT COUNT AS TRYING"
by OBGYNOSUPREME on Sep 9, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
There is a vet out there right now that would work pretty good....
I wonder if they have given ANY thought to Garrard? I know someone, Polian I think, said they didnt currently have interest, but the way it was worded sounded more like right this second…
Bold Statement
I disagree that they will win only 3 games.
The offense will not be the same offense that they run with Manning….far less complex with Collins as it should be.
Also, we don’t know how good the running game will be because we haven’t seen it yet with this new O line.
I do agree that the 1st round draft results over the past 3 years have been unacceptable.
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Yep
That is what I expect too. But if the Colts underachieve by any means with just 4 wins or so, Irsay has every right to be livid. Let us remember, no almost wins in losses, so style points in losses do not count. So, if the team is in every game but comes up with only 4 wins, that is not good enough with several veterans on this team, that is not what Irsay is paying for with us maxed close to the cap. Wayne, Clark, Freeney, Bethea, Brackett, Mathis are all paid well enough (include Collins too) to not make plays consistently when Peyton is down.
The one area where we do not have much money invested in is our O-line, and if that does not hold up, things could go down south on offense very easily and we could end up playing catch up in most games, which is not what you want to do. Any new QB in a new system (rookie or vet), the running game and TEs are his best friend, so the least the O-line should do is try hard on the running game and the TEs should block and catch well.
yes second that!!!!!
everyone needs to vent
by OBGYNOSUPREME on Sep 9, 2011 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Would have loved for them to have kept DeVan and CJ
they better draft another lineman with 1st or 2nd pick or sign someone in free agency next yr , assuming Peyton comes back the #1 prioity needs to be to protect him and have a stable reliable OLINE for the next QB, Pollack is not good either is Richard
They need to draft OLINE with 1st and 2nd pick and maybe 3rd pick. I fear one more neck surgery and he is done for sure.
for sure his neck is done
cannot have anything else happen
by OBGYNOSUPREME on Sep 9, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
no excuse for not having a great OLINE either thru draft or free agents
like Cowan Cowherd said on ESPN why do they have all those rules about protecting the QB- because the QB is the most important person and the QB sells tickets ,, like last night’s game 2 great QBs
by OBGYNOSUPREME on Sep 9, 2011 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
We're no different
Take Rodgers off of the Pack and let Flynn (who’s pretty good) play the year. Take Brees off the Saints and let their backup play the year. Are you telling me that those teams would make the playoffs? No, they wouldn’t. So we shouldn’t put that pressure on the Colts.
the packers would still be a good team
not a super bowl contender, but good. that teams is loaded. plus they good coaches, good special teams, and a good defense (contrary to last night). when rodgers went down last year the pack should have beaten the pats, but kinda gave it away.
by BLOODontheTRACKS on Sep 9, 2011 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions
The Saints wouldn't
but the Packers might. They are just a good football team, offense and defense.
Collins Replacement
WHEN Collins goes down – we will be forced to swap a 2nd rounder for Carson Palmer and his one year contract. Not a bad back-up plan if Manning’s neck is career threatening (praying that it is not).
and they can have CP and Colts will pay his contract for them to take him LOL
by OBGYNOSUPREME on Sep 9, 2011 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Can we Just focus on the game?
The bashing of the whole Colts organization is getting old. WE GET IT YOU HATE THE COLTS FRONT OFFICE! Please write about something diffrent. I check this blog out several times a day for news when I’m at work and home and every post is I hate Polian and Caldwell is an idiot. This is our team support who is on the field or jump of the bandwagon.
by VERNON HOWELL on Sep 9, 2011 6:01 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
know what's worse?
people continually coming on here and whining about his criticism of the front office. seriously, no one is forcing you to read it.
by BLOODontheTRACKS on Sep 9, 2011 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Even if I agree nothing is going to change this year.
Their not going to cut Brown,Hughes,Richards,and Pollick and their not going to bring back Harris, Johnson, Devan, and James. Can we focus on the good a little? How about we talk about how Nevis, Anderson, and Brayton are going to help the Dline tremendously. Or how Ernie Simms can help in the nickel. Let’s talk about how Constanzo, Rietz, and Linkenback can hopefully sure up the Oline and open some holes in the run game. How about Kerry Collins I know he will never be close to Peytons level but he is a seasoned vet that CAN play ball. I’m pretty sure Collins is going to pass Joe Montana in career yards. For the first time in years we are going into the unknown I have faith this team will prevail and shock a bunch of people. This has been a Hell of a week and I’m tired of everyone trashing our franchise!
by VERNON HOWELL on Sep 9, 2011 9:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Rec'd
I will be wearing my jersey on Sunday, and every Sunday this season….loud and proud.
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Peyton's replacement
Just how does anyone expect the FO to have Manning’s replacement sitting on the sidelines? For one they usually have a low end draft pick and the QB pickings would be slim not to mention if they had ever taken a QB that early everyone would bitch because there was other glaring needs. Second where would the money have come from to retain a good QB back-up once his contract was due? we’re they to not resign one of their current stars? how would the fans react if Reggie, Dallas, Freeney, Mathis or some of the others didn’t get signed because they wanted to keep a Manning replacement that wasn’t going to play for 5-10 years? come on people let’s talk reality here. Oh and by the way don’t get to high on the Patriots drafting and how great theirs have been because the 07 or 08(can’t remember which one) entire draft class is no longer on the team not to mention some of their other draft choices for the past few years. You want a good chance to get a good player your team needs to suck so you can draft high. Lighten up folks and let this team play so we can see how well they do. The Coaching sucks a lot worse than the players and that is what needs to be addressed.
Carson Palmer?
Are you serious? that would be a waste of the Colts time. I would rather they suck this year and draft Andrew Luck and take a chance with him that way we have at least a chance of getting a good one. With Carson you already know what you got and it won’t get any better.
Carson Palmer
the only reason to get him is to try to get into the playoffs this year if Collins gets hurt he is no long term replacement
by OBGYNOSUPREME on Sep 9, 2011 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Well put, couldn't agree more
It’s certainly is a bitter pill to swallow, but this article made me feel alot better about the whole kick in the you know what we just got as Colts fans.
I was thinking this in the back of my mind, but you put it into words very well.
Heck, I’d like to think we may even be better off for Peyton’s remaining years due to the wakeup call the front office will inevitably get this year. A Super Bowl wouldnt have happened save for superhuman feats by Peyton this year in the playoffs, and if we don’t win a Super Bowl the season is a loss in my mind as long as Peyton is at the helm.
So here’s to the front office’s bumbling being exposed this year and them waking up and fixing things as much as possible this upcoming offseason, that way Peyton can go out and kick some serious ass next year.
I said it before,
and I’ll say it again, why don’t we spend a 6th round pick on greg mcelroy.
Seriously, we waste a 6th rounder on Painter: Senior Stats (and benched):
rtg 118.6, tds 13, int 11, pct 59.9
But not on McElroy: Senior Stats:
rtg 169.0, tds 20, int 5, pct 70.9
Oh, and a winner and very smart.
Because the Jets picked McElroy, and he's on IR anyway.
And they’re damn sure not giving him up for a 6th.
I have wondered why more teams seem averse to bringing in undrafted QBs, or draft a couple in the last couple of rounds. Most are probably going to get cut, but maybe you keep finding an upgrade year after year until you’ve got a back-up/fill-in-starter.
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Adam Weber on the Denver PS right now
Someone on here was talking about him the other day. Saying he was already light years better than Tebow( which wouldn’t be that difficult, probably).
The real culprits here are the "twins".......
They are the reason Peyton waited till he did to have the first surgical procedure. If he would have had the surgery when last season needed, he would’t be faced with going on IR now.
I really like where your head is at on this Steve young said something along these lines
Be prepared people are probably going to ice you for this though
by PeytonIsGOAT on Sep 9, 2011 8:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Silver Lining
Don’t know if anyone’s mentioned this or not yet (I’m too lazy to read all the comments right now). If we completely fall off the block this year maybe we can pick Andrew Luck up in the draft next year. Imagine Peyton training the next franchise QB who’s already being compared to him… Montana/ Young, Favre/ Rodgers? I hate (HATE!) to say it, but it’s transition time.
by Don Brown's Grandkid on Sep 9, 2011 8:56 PM EDT reply actions
it has been mentioned but no guarantees you get him
and they would have to have the absolute worst record 2nd or 3rd worst will not get him!!!
by OBGYNOSUPREME on Sep 9, 2011 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Not gonna happen buddy
This team is going to be MUCH better than the worst teams in the NFL this year.
This team isn’t even going to finish worse than 2nd in its division this year.
This team will compete for the AFC South this year, even without Manning.
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agreed
AFC South is weak,, just need a good start tomorrow and beat Cleve at home
by OBGYNOSUPREME on Sep 10, 2011 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Alex Albright can relate to Peyton Manning
Albright had his spine fused during his junior year at Boston College and has not had a problem since. He also had a congenital problem fused as well.
"It took awhile before you felt secure enough to where you could take hits and give hits out,"
http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/cowboys/post/_/id/4683317/alex-albright-can-relate-to-peyton-manning
encouraging
have no doubt Peyton will come back, he will do what he has to do, and now he has the type of surgery where he can come back from,, ?s of whether the May proceedure should have been different
by OBGYNOSUPREME on Sep 10, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
It's a family affair
I’m starting to think the Colts need an anti-nepotism rule.
The Shogun of Harlem
by shonuff on Sep 9, 2011 11:29 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Bengals fans echo your sentiments
by PeytonIsGOAT on Sep 10, 2011 12:37 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
They needs a lot of rules.
But I like this suggestion. And, while they’re at it, how about a ‘no-intentionally-tanking-a-game’ rule under any circumstances.
Screw Polian and the front office
Trying to build a new team around Manning once he gets back? Five years too late
Just friggin great
by manningtoharrison on Sep 9, 2011 11:47 PM EDT reply actions
A bit of perspective...
This team has acheived a great deal of success over a decade. While Manning is a great player, he has not done this alone. A one-man team does not win that many division titles, a Superbowl, or go 14-0. This team has had some great players – James, Freeney, Sanders, Harrison, Wayne, Clark, Brackett, Saturday, Mathis, etc.
The front office has done a great job at holding onto star players while filling out a roster with lower draft picks and undrafted free agents. And, they have done this while paying Manning alot of money. Manning was the 1st pick of the draft – so he has always made top dollar. And, he has always demanded and been paid top dollar ever since (and deservedly so). Compare this to Mr. Brady, who was was lower round pick, who did not make much money initially and who accepted less than top dollar in his first big contract renegotiation. As a result, Manning has taken a large percentage of the roster money and this has forced management into difficult choices. Productive players, like Scott, like Charlie Johnson, and like David Thorton (and all those other linebackers) have been let go because they could command more money elsewhere. Sometimes it wasn’t alot more money, but the key is that the Colts were very limited in what they could spent – could not outbid other suitors.
If I have a criticism of the front office, it would be this – they have been too accomodating of Manning. They have invested too many resources in offensive skill players, when more should have been invested in other parts of the team. They have made the offense too focused on his talent for throwing the ball and neglected the balanced offense that made the team great when Edge was running the ball or when they ran it so well in the Superbowl run. They have given him too much freedom to act as the offensive coordinator, on the fly, instead of reining him in with a coordinator who will tell him to run the damn play (at least sometimes).
So, I really want to see how the team adjusts this year, on the field and off, to no Manning. I want to who blossoms, who wilts. I think it is going to be very interesting.
they will be better when he comes back
because certain players will have to do more now
by OBGYNOSUPREME on Sep 10, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
FOUND THIS
on a google search trying to find out what Kelvin Hayden had done with his surgery. It just says it is a similar surgery but it does sound encouraging we will possibly get Peyton back and his career is not over just yet. You can read for yourself.
http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/44606/for-manning-recovery-model-look-to-hayden
We got the Texans this Sunday
even if they get a lead on us this will happen… http://youtu.be/j3_hi7gOjE0
They are determined to lose to us
Offensive captain?
Maybe someone asked this already but will there be a temporary offensive captain to replace Peyton?
I'm not at all worried about the season.
I think we will be fine. I would like to see us IR Manning already, and maybe clear the spot to pick up either TJ Houshmandzadeh or Moss.
by Faithfully Blue on Sep 10, 2011 1:35 PM EDT reply actions
Moss
I’m sure that’s exactly who Collins wants to see again.
by ActionOxford on Sep 10, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Collins rarely saw Moss at all in Tennessee.
by Faithfully Blue on Sep 10, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Doctors say surgery went well!
glad he went to a different place for this operation…
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;ylt=As.5ETrFjdfOsf1KEhdGw45nYcB?slug=ap-colts-manning
I wish I knew he was having surgery in LA
This hospital mentioned is close to my house. I could have easily driven him to and from LAX with a stop off at In N Out Burger.
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yes that is good news
as a doctor I hate to say this , but the question is, did he have the right surgery back in May ????and I assume it was done properly ,,and should or did the doctor that did his surgery in May advise him to get another surgery or be evaluated sooner than he was,, cause obviously his rehab did not go well and you know it wasn’t cause Peyton wasn’t rehabbing , you he probably did everything possible that he could and obviously he didn’t go back to Chx for this surgery!!!! Only the best for him always and know he will
by OBGYNOSUPREME on Sep 10, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
"did he have the right surgery back in May????"
You sound like an attorney. But even as an [student, but licensed under the Colorado Student Practice Act] attorney I’d have to say he is suffering from trying to prove irreparable harm. He didn’t rehab with anybody because had he, he wouldn’t have been able to prove irreparable harm which is necessary in federal court for a permanent injunction (state court is general jurisdiction but federal is limited jurisdiction).
There’s more minutiae to it, but suffice it to say had he rehabbed with anyone his cause of action would have been moot or he would have had to come up with a new source for irreparable harm.
by ActionOxford on Sep 10, 2011 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Unofficial Offensive Coordinator
Give Manning a headset, and put him to work.
by Faithfully Blue on Sep 10, 2011 2:29 PM EDT reply actions
I doubt he'll HAVE to be put to work.
I bet you won’t be able to keep him away from doing everything he can to help the team win.
I hope you're right Ayrshire
I hope he travels with the team tomorrow.
by Faithfully Blue on Sep 10, 2011 2:34 PM EDT reply actions
I don't know about tomorrow,
but as soon as he’s able, he will. He’s a team player 100%.
yes he will be there as soon as he gets the OK
to me it seems like he didn’t get a fair shake and should have been advised to do something sooner than he did since his rehab was way behind schedule and u know it wasn’t his fault. Did he have the right surgery for his problem back in May??, and gald he went somewhere else this time , cause like I said above doesn’t seem like to me he had the best medcial txment or followup by the doctor
by OBGYNOSUPREME on Sep 10, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
come on, he is in a bed right jow
his surgery was in LA
by Amilcar on Sep 10, 2011 2:49 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Wouldn't it be great for Peyton Manning's successor to be the next Peyton Manning himself?
Tennessee QB Tyler Bray. He’s only a sophomore but this guy is something. Probably the #1 pick in 2013 if he keeps it up. So far this year -
51/65 (78.5 Cmp%), 698 Yds, 10.74 YPA, 7 TDs, 0 INTs
Unbelievable. Completing nearly 80% of his passes for over 10 yards per attempt. I know it’s only 2 games, but the kid’s the real deal. He’s 6’6, 210. Best Tennessee QB since Peyton.
Seriously
Peyton Manning is the GOAT. He’s gone for a while. Could be a few months, could be the year. It doesn’t matter… gone is gone. Now it’s time to move on.
We could spend all day being mad at the Polians for not having the next GOAT in training. We could get down on Caldwell for his creative use of timeout calls and challenge flags.
None of it will get #18 back in the game. Now it’s time to see if our other Pro Bowlers not named Peyton Manning really are who we think they are. The Colts’ season is up to Reggie Wayne getting open, making the catch and turning on the rockets. It’s up to Dallas Clark making linebackers (and anyone else who covers him) look stupid. It’s up to Freeney and Mathis to turn the pocket to a trash compactor. It’s up to Saturday to protect an over the hill QB. It’s up to Bethea to keep long completions from becoming highlight reel plays. Joe Addai has to show us why he was able to replace Edgerinn James in his prime. Bracket has to be everywhere. And Viniteri will not have the luxury of being bailed out by #18 when he misses.
All in all, I like our chances.
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