NFL 2012 Mock Draft
by BobInBlue on Jan 13, 2012 11:44 PM EST
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PrintAlthough, Andrew Luck is projected as the person, If drafted, to lead the Colts to playoffs and Superbowl contention every year for the next decade the key to winning a ring is bringing a quality core of players. Just like every year, rounds 1-7 determines the success of a franchise. The Bengals made it to the playoffs under 2 extra-ordinarily rookies in Dalton and Green the rest of their draft picks as of now have not produced. Dontay Moch, Bengal's 3rd choice, has not produced this year due to suffering a injury to his foot in the first preseason game. Clint Boling, Bengal's 4th round choice, has only started 3 games this season. Last year, the Bengals clearly had a good overall draft solely upon Green and Dalton with the other picks getting virtually no game time.For the Colts to win, effective drafting becomes the foundation to another banner being added to the stadium.
Colt's need : QB, WR, DT,CB,SS,K,LB
Round 1 : Andrew Luck has the most value of any rookie QB thus far. This pick does not need much explaining as there are a vast number of articles based solely on the Colts and Luck.
Round 2: After years of being plagued by under-powered DTs, small and untalented CBs, and a injury prone Strong Safety the Colts use their second pick to solidifyone of these positions. There are only a handful of players worthy enough to be selected in the early second round. The Colts should have Stephon Gilmore rated high on their draft board. He is by far the best available CB in the second round and specializes in zone coverage schemes. Chase Minnifield would be a great selection here as he excels in both man and zone coverage. Both could easily beat be the #2 CB and may push Powers for the #1 job.
Round 3: After a attempt to further solidify the CB position, the Colts can now get someone to pair with Nevis or try and find a replacement for Bob Sanders. The Colts should have Poe as one of the best DTs in the 3rd if he faills but Harrison Smith, SS out of Notre Dame, should drop to the 3rd round this year along with Bullitt's injury history could line up alongside FS Bethea coming next season.
Round 4: Generally, Donnie Fletcher 6-1 and 195 pounds could be a stereotype of a man-to-man CB yet he was in a zone system and has played consistently well for BC. It is projected that if his speed is not great enough he could easily make a transition into a S because he's a good run stopper and a open field tackler making him a CB/S. An alternate person could be a G such as Lucas Nix or DT Marcus Forston.
Due to question about us possibly losing our 4th round com. pick due to Collins I will skip it but Forston, Nix,Ryan Miller, or Zeitler if he drops hopefully past the 3rd round I would go insane,even more if we don't draft him.
Round 5: Every QB needs a good core of wide receivers and tight ends especially if they are elite. Whether Peyton is still around or Luck is in the field we will need to bolster this position with Dallas and Wayne on the decline/leaving.The perfect person to draft is Jordan White. He led the nation with 127 catches for 1,646 yards.One thing about him is toughness back in '06 he suffered a torn ACL and lost 2 seasons due to 2 knee injuries along with James White, his father, suffering a car accident killing one person and causing White to enter a coma. He could become a late round steal and is worth even a late 3rd/ early 4th round selection and has stayed healthy ever since the injuries.
Round 6: Although, we have some young talent in the Linebacker corps. Sims and/or Gary could not stick around and we should plan accordingly. Someone like Mycal Kendricks could come in and offer some depth behind guys like Angerer and Conner. Other positions in need are OG/DE.
Round 6: Here I think we go trying to find another Garcon with players like Risard Matthews, Derek Moye who suffered from poor QB play, or Greg Childs who is a great blocking WR and great route running along with soft hands while being 6-3 and 217 pounds who may all be available in the 6th round.
Round 7: The 7th round rarely effects a franchise success but some teams get lucky such as Marques Colston form Saints and Donald Driver from Packers. A "perk" of us losing is we get the best of the worst with a high pick in the last round. With Vini being 39 year old it seems inevitable in drafting our replacement but there will be plentiful kickers that will not get drafted. Someone like SS Dye or G/DE could be selected.
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I would rather us grab an impact receiver in the second round. Especially, if one of the receivers with a first round grade takes a draft day tumble. Remember, we have Wayne, Garcon, and Gonzo with contracts that need to be sorted out (expect to only keep Garcon). You don’t always get great production from late rounders in that position, with few exceptions. My wish is somehow Micheal Floyd’s (Notre Dame, WR) legal issues help him to slip just enough for us to get him.
Exceptional corners often can be found in the first four rounds of a draft. I don’t see a huge reason to reach for one. Besides, as it currently stands we don’t know who are coach will be next year, let alone the scheme they’ll be running on defense. Spending a high pick on someone there might not be as necessary by the time the draft rolls around. By the way, am I the only one that believe it takes time for corners to develop? Other than Powers and Lacey, the secondary out on the field was first timers learning on the job. Who knows, maybe after Grigson goes over the tape he’ll see there’s already enough talent to formulate in to a cohesive unit for next season.
NeXt Man Up
by Dann Giszewski on Jan 14, 2012 12:17 AM EST reply actions
I know it's not popular
but there is still a huge part of me that would love to see the Colts trade down collect extra picks and give Manning a retooled offense to work with. In my mind it would be ideal if the Browns were willing to sell the farm to get Luck. Say the Colts get both their firsts and their second (is that realistic?). They could get a guy like Blackmon to replace Wayne then address the O line later in the 1st and other needs in the top of the 2nd round.
Of course this all depends on Mannings health. If he doesn’t have a solid clean bill of health by March then no way, you have to rebuild with Luck as we’re likely to do.
Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?
Again
You can only know for sure about Manning’s future in September, when he takes hits and throws 40 times.
No way, the team goes into another season with Orlovsky or another average QB.
What if that average QB is Andrew Luck?
No one can know his future until he takes hits and throws 40 times. He’s not going to have one of the top OLines like he did in college or a solid run game for support. Great QBs usually don’t hit their stride until season 4 or 5. By then you will have had to replace a large number of players like Freeney, Mathis, Bethea, Powers, Saturday, Wayne, and Clark. Players like Garcon and Collie will be closer to the end of their careers as well.
Rebuilding is really tough. There is a lot of talent on this team for the next 3-4 years. If you want to win rings, I think you have to trust in a healthy Manning.
Also, I don’t understand where the fear of reinjury comes from. This guy missed the first game of his career almost 14 years in. As I understand this surgery, it’s not something that makes you more susceptible go having the injury come back again. The only real question is if he can recover the the injury he just had.
"It's about the journey--mine and yours--and the lives we can touch, the legacy we can leave, and the world we can change for the better."
— Tony Dungy
wrong
you cant be scared to draft a qb. manning might come back very average. manning might not last 3 years
not taking luck is stupid
Who said I'm scared to draft a QB?
I don’t think Luck is worth 3 first rounders. I think Peyton manning can win championships with 3 first round draft picks in 2 years. Take a chance on a QB in round 2 or 3 this year, or see about how the prospects look over the next couple of years.
"It's about the journey--mine and yours--and the lives we can touch, the legacy we can leave, and the world we can change for the better."
— Tony Dungy
you really think
a bunch of rookies are going to come to indy and help peyton manning win a championship? that’s optimistic…
by BLOODontheTRACKS on Jan 15, 2012 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
Also, I think turning down the picks is stupid
A bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush.
I’m more interested in trying to win a Super Bowl now than hoping this college prospect can do it later.
"It's about the journey--mine and yours--and the lives we can touch, the legacy we can leave, and the world we can change for the better."
— Tony Dungy
and if manning cant play?
you are happy with another 2-14 season? i understand your view. it is just wrong. you are holding on to the manning era. its time to move on or at least plan the move.
you win in this league with qb play. get the best one you can. anything else is stupid
I agree that if Manning isn't healthy, you have to draft a QB
but assuming the Colts will go 2-14 with high value draft picks is ridiculous. This is a great QB class and next year appears to have some good players as well. The Colts need to start looking towards the future, but I still don’t think Luck is worth what the Colts could get for that pick.
I like the model of teams like the Steelers who have a good QB, but have resources to draw off of when their QB goes down. We forget too many times how amazing Peyton’s run of good health was. What if Luck gets hurt in future seasons? Wouldn’t we be more likely to see a 2-14 in that scenario? I’d like to see a shift where we lessen (not eliminate) our reliance on the QB position.
It’s clear you have to have an effective QB, but the guys who are the most effective in this league (outside of PM) were built around scheming and systems. They were not top draft picks.
"It's about the journey--mine and yours--and the lives we can touch, the legacy we can leave, and the world we can change for the better."
— Tony Dungy
blah blah blah
if the guy is drafted #1 or #10 it doesnt matter. the best teams in the league all have the best qb’s
how the hell is this a great qb class? luck is the only qb worth taking in the 1st round
the steelers always have the best defense. you think it is easy to build that and sustain it?
i get it. you dont think luck is good. i dont get why you think that but oh well. be wrong all you want
Marching around claiming people wrong
doesn’t get your point across any better or with better rationale. You’re wrong. Luck will come into the league and be good. He just won’t be a Colt.
by AnotherWriter on Jan 14, 2012 5:59 PM EST up reply actions
i dont march
and andrew luck will be a colt.
you are going to have to get over it at some point
LUCK
will almost assuredly not be a bust and will probably turn out to be an excellent QB, well worthy of the #1 pick. Since nothing is a sure thing, then I think you will concede that Manning coming and staying healthy and not regressing in play (age and health) is also not a sure thing. The risk to the Colts of Manning not panning out is a lot greater, in terms of the salary cap, than Luck not panning out. Remembe,r Luck will sign a contract worth about $25 million with a cap hit of about $5 million. Manning’s cap hit in his first year if he can’t perform will be over $30 million.
By the time Luck is good his cap hit will be even bigger than PMs
I think history proves that a team that has the best QB in the league usually doesn’t end up winning the Super Bowl. Drafting Luck means 4 to 5 years of rebuilding. By the time that day comes around, if Luck is as good as advertised he will command the largest contract in the league and you’ll be in cap purgatory again.
Having early 1st rounders now with a great QB means you can get those high level players for cheap. By the time Luck is up there, you’ll be drafting in the 15-30 range which as we all know is a crap shoot. Imagine having 9 draft picks in the first 2 rounds over the next 2 years. You might not even need a healthy PM.
"It's about the journey--mine and yours--and the lives we can touch, the legacy we can leave, and the world we can change for the better."
— Tony Dungy
wrong
drafting luck does not mean 4 to 5 years of rebuilding. that doesnt even make sense
If PM can't take this team to a Super Bowl, I highly down a rookie QB can
Think back to the Marino and Elway years. There is a lot of probowl talent on the Colts roster than won’t be able to sit around and wait. There are quite a few players retiring, etc. I think that if the Colts put their future in the hands of Luck, there is no point in keeping Mathis, Wayne, etc.
"It's about the journey--mine and yours--and the lives we can touch, the legacy we can leave, and the world we can change for the better."
— Tony Dungy
But if Colts don't keep Manning
They can keep Mathis and Wayne.
Polians did a lot of terrible contracts, I hope Grigson won’t overpay players out of pride.
The point is to open up cap space and drop old/overpaid players,
especially if you’re going into rebuilding mode.
by AnotherWriter on Jan 14, 2012 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
POLIAN'S CONTRACTS WERE FINE
He drafted a ton of great players that earned that big second contract. A few didn’t work out because of injury (Sanders, Hayden) but when you have a lot of good players you have to pay them.
ALL THESE
guys were key contributors when they were signed. They couldn’t have gone to the Super Bowl without them.
You can’t judge their contracts by the 2011 season. You have to look at them at the time they were signed.
They didn't need to be highest paid at their positions
Hayden 3 times as much, as he deserved. There is even cap hit from him on 2012
Brackett deserved a 5 year 15 million contract
……..
freeney
of course will be up there at the end of his contract
thats why he needs to get extended.
hindsight sure does make people feel smart doesnt it
what mark?
if they keep manning, they have to dump damn near every good player on the roster
lots of probowl talent?
that’s an interesting take
by BLOODontheTRACKS on Jan 15, 2012 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
YOU THINK
its going to take 5 years for him to be good? I’m guessing he will be decent his first year and good by his second.
How long before all those great picks they get for Luck before they are good?
gotta assume Luck in 1st and Manning gets traded in some way...
1) – Andrew Luck, QB, Stanford.
2) through 4) – These picks should include a CB, a WR, and an OL. I’m starting to think that Minnifield won’t be there in the 2nd, and I don’t see good value in the other CBs. I believe that the WR position may give us the best value, but it’s kind of hard to know which WR before the Combine, Pro Days, and All-Star games. I’m going to say:
2) Kevin Zeitler, OG, Wisconsin.
3) Chris Givens, WR, Wake Forest.
4) Keith Tandy, CB, West Virginia.
4 Compensatory for Session) Cordarro Law, DE, Sothern Mississippi. I’m not sure if Mathis can return, if Hughes will be any good, or if Anderson/Brayton can provide enough pass rush…so Law is another option.
5) James-Michael Johnson, LB, Nevada. I love the Conner/Angerer/Sims starters, but there’s no depth after that.
6) Brandon Taylor, S, LSU. Coming on in a great secondary. Was a top CB out of HS, but how the heck can he get PT there with Claiborne and Matthius? I would have liked to pick up a safety earlier, but it’s another poor safety year IMHO, so we might have to go with a 1st or 2nd rounder next year.
7) Dwight Bentley, CB, Louisiana-Lafayette. Small-school prospect to further bolster the secondary.
7 (Compensatory for Charlie Johnson) Dexter Heyman, LB, Louisville. Speedy tackling machine without pass-rushing capabilities – sounds like a Colt LB.
I LIKE
the idea of taking a top flight offensive lineman in the second or third round. If a top receiver isn’t available I wouldn’t mind a tight end at that spot in the second. Young QBs tend to lean on tights early as they learn the pro game. This could be an area of need if Clark gets cut. Tamme is OK but nothing special.
A few issues
Gilmore won’t be that great. Too often I saw him go for the big play and not for the sure tackle, which kills the Tampa-2 defense. Gilmore is not worth the 34th pick, period. Minnfield is, and may be there if there is a run on DEs or DTs at the end of the first.
Harrison Smith is not worth a third round pick. The only safety worth anything higher than a fourth in this year’s draft is Barron. This is a weak SS class but the need at the position around the NFL might push stock higher than it should be. Picking solely on need kills a team.
I like Jordan White and think he’s worth a solid fourth or fifth rounder.
I love Fletcher as a prospect and would not be upset if the Colts took him in the third. It may be a bit high, but I don’t know if he makes it to the top of the fourth round.
Minnifield is a slow zone corner
Gilmore is raw, but worth #34, especially with a bunch of small and red flagged corners in the draft.
I guess we just have a disagreement on him. I don’t think he’ll pan out and think taking him at 34 is a huge reach. There will probably be some other player who fell out of the first who provides better value.
Essentially the second round pick is like a first in other years, and Gilmore isn’t a first rounder
what makes you think the colts are using the tampa 2 next year?
by BLOODontheTRACKS on Jan 15, 2012 5:34 PM EST up reply actions
i see them moving away from the tampa 2
and going to the basic cover two and hopefully allowing the secondary to actually play
by BLOODontheTRACKS on Jan 15, 2012 7:47 PM EST up reply actions
I doubt these cancel each other out
Collins – 4 million/year, 3 GP, 3 GS
Session – 6 million/year, 9 GP, 6 GS
Stop it with the zone CBs! Just stop it!
Everyone in the NFL knows tha “zone CB” means that you cant be left alone in 1 on 1 coverage. I PRAY that they will start to draft more versatile defenders who can do both. I honestly believe that in the coming years Indy will move away from the Tampa 2 and more to a hybrid 4-3 that mixes both cover 2 and other defense. Colts administration should know by now how vanilla Indy’s defense is. And if you look at it, the best defenses in the league are more complex, throw wrinkles at you, and BLITZ!! Im not saying it will happen over night but its gonna happen. So while Minnifield is good, i wanna see how he does in 1 on 1 drills at the Senior Bowl. And how well he runs, wanna get a look at his feet and his recovery speed. Want CBs who can come up and jump routes and tackle in zone and hold their own deep on an island.
Also kinda coincides with me wanting Zimmer as HC or Spagnolo as DC.
They both run 4-3 and Indy DOES NOT have the personnel to convert. So a good 4-3 coach is necessary. And they run great defensive schemes, can coach guys up and would also push to finally draft DTs who are more of a presence in the middle. Imagine how much better Freeney and Mathis could be if they had a mammoth DT inside eating up double teams. (God willing Mathis and Freeney are still here next year, i think they will be. Key to a good secondary is a great pass rush.
Zone CB
does not mean you don’t have the ability to play 1 on 1 OUR problem has been not getting physical CB that cannot play zone coverage and man to man. Our defensive problems is not solely CB’s fault it’s the LB’s who can’t rush and the Defensive Tackles that can’t get to the Quarterback. An example could be Angerer. Yes, he has 148 tackles in 16 games, which he started, but he has only 1 sack and 1 interception. Both Minnifield and Gilmore are top 10 CB with Minnifield being better overall player. Gilmore has something the rest of our zone CBs don’t have which is aggression. It’s almost certain Minnifield is a late first rounder with Gilmore either a bittle bit further or ahead of him. I reckon our D’s system get changed to a hybrid and if so Minnifield if he falls could be THAT guy.
Each year I hope the Warriors, Colts, Cavs, and the Magic get better yet the opposite happens.
Having to fight those guys in combat, I don't give a dam
Those bad guys don’t follow any rules, they would kill you and your entire family and not bat an eyelash. I’m tired of stupid americans that have never had to fight the bad guys, they saw people’s heads off, drag body’s thru the street, kidnap and kill innocent people. Yeah it was a stupid thing to do and be videotaped..but if you have not been there, don’t judge.
It's about McAfee
too bad there is no private message,
Urge all Americans, to look at things from an objective standpoint, not from a biased one
We are looking from an objective standpoint. We’re just coming to a different conclusion than you are.
I actually completely agree with McAfee...
If you haven’t been in war than you don’t understand. It cut and dry. War is hell. Read some Earnest Hemingway. Should they have done it? No, but a slap on the wrist is sufficient. I have a feeling if someone shot at me, my best friend, or brother, I would hold ill will towards them. I’d like to say I wouldn’t do the things those soldiers did, but the thought might cross my mind.
Keep in mind that when the Soviets fought the Taliban, they wrapped the dead body of every Taliban fighter in pig carcases. According to Islamic law these men were no longer worthy of heaven. War is harsh. Let’s stop pretending it’s just another day at the park..
"It's about the journey--mine and yours--and the lives we can touch, the legacy we can leave, and the world we can change for the better."
— Tony Dungy
I don't follow his twitter
Being a citizen of a peaceful country, I can look at these things objectively.
You can be biased, but be aware of the reality/truth/facts, don’t think for a second, this is good vs bad.
As someone who has been in their position..
I feel that what they did was no big deal. True, it was dumb and they shouldnt have done it, but I take issue with people passing judgement on them. There is nothing that compares being in combat. Nothing. Now, I am going to go ahead and rescind my moron comment as that was uncalled for but these topics really have no place on a football forum.
What does a peaceful country look like?
Freedom isn’t free. There’s no such thing as a peaceful country. You’re the guy who stays in their seat in the subway as someone is getting beaten and robbed. You’re the neighbor of the plantation owners in the south before the civil war that said, ‘slavery is wrong’, but never did anything about it. If someone is being mistreated or harmed in any way, I would rather be the one who stands up for that person than sit idly by and ‘hope’ things get better.
"It's about the journey--mine and yours--and the lives we can touch, the legacy we can leave, and the world we can change for the better."
— Tony Dungy
“peaceful country?” You understand that, unlike in Iraq, THESE are the people who engineered the September 11 attacks. These are the people who made Afghanistan, once the pride of Central Asia because of strategic location along trade routes, into the worst country in the world. Seriously, look at reports of Afghanistan pre-US invasion and you’ll see how much better life is now that the US toppled the Taliban. The United States is a peaceful country. But right now we are a country at war.
What they did was dumb, but tame in comparison to what Islamist fundamentalists do. Somalia, 1993: extremists capture the bodies of downed American pilots and beat them before hanging them upside down on a bridge and burning them. Look at the record of kidnappings and beheadings of CIVILIANS in Pakistan and Afghanistan.
As a matter of fact, this is good versus evil. The United States is the beacon of the free world and a country unlike any other in the history of the world. And Islamist extremists want to destroy what Lincoln called “the last best hope for mankind” because they believe the world was perfect in the 12th century.
by TrueBlue87 on Jan 14, 2012 3:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
We aren't exactly the defintion
of a peaceful country. I believe, (not sure), that we attempted to overthrow 50 different foreign countries since 1945. Nice to at least see not another idiotic attack on a nation since you used the words extremists. Although, there is no actual good vs evil side I think there is a better vs worse.
Each year I hope the Warriors, Colts, Cavs, and the Magic get better yet the opposite happens.
50 is something of a hyperbole. A lot of times the CIA and the US get blamed for things it has no hand in. I’m a historian and my focus is US Diplomatic/Military, so I do know what I’m talking about. (that’s not meant to be an attack, merely a qualification)
I would say the US is a peaceful country because our default mode is want peace, as opposed to a state like Rome, whose default state was war of expansion.
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