Colts Head Coaching Candidates Brad Likes- Discuss
by Brad Wells on Jan 19, 2012 2:14 PM EST
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PrintJust like yesterday, I'm trying to get back in the habit of just tossing up a quick discussion-thread-like post a day. It's not news-related or a long, detailed article talking about how Bill Polian sucks. Just some quick ideas, hoping to get folks talking so it can spark even more ideas, suggestions, opinions, etc.
Reports are all over the place, saying the Colts will interview Titans assistant Jerry Gray, Saints OC Pete Carmichael, and Bengals DC Mike Zimmer. John Clayton also tossed CFL coach Mark Trestman's name out there as a possibility. Also potentially in the mix are Jim Tressel and Steve Spagnuolo. Tressel is still on staff as a consultant with the Colts, and Spagnuolo was interviewed for the vacant defensive coordinator position before Jim Caldwell was fired.
For me personally, the candidates I am leaning towards are Zimmer, Carmichael, Dennis Allen of the Broncos, and Perry Fewell of the Giants.
I'll explain why I like all four later. Right now, can you give me your pros and cons for these four guys?
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haha
Perry Fewell, are you fucking kidding me? Come on brah, reach a little higher please.
I don’t understand what everyone is thinking with these head coach candidates? Pete Carmichael? Seriously?! He just started calling the plays THIS YEAR for the Saints for crying out loud. The sample size for his ability as an offensive coordinator is minute, LET ALONE his head coach worthiness.
Is everyone here content with mediocrity? This reminds me of during the offseason when people create fanposts about everyone single free agent and say LETS SIGN HIM! HE’S A FREE AGENT!!!!1111
Personally, I wouldn’t consider ANY of those guys for a head coaching position. They’ve done nothing in their careers that proves to me that they deserve a chance to be the man for this organization. Especially when the entire franchise is going through change. It’s not like the guy is going to come in with a stable foundation and just implement his flare into the situation and put them over the hump if you will. This person needs to be a proven leader, a football intellectual who understands the game from top to bottom, left to right, inside and out. Not some flavor of the week or month, not someone who has proven to be a career coordinator, not someone who zero track record. Get someone in here with experience, a proven track record, and has some fucking balls and will do what it takes to win.
I know I’m going to get shit for this, but I don’t recally care. I want a coach like Belichick.
Brian Billick is as good as it gets imo.
by KingRichard on Jan 19, 2012 2:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i love billick
but he ain’t coming back through those coaching doors any time soon. he’s great at what he’s doing and he seems to like it.
That’s ridiculous. He’s talked on numerous occassions of being open to returning to coaching. I think I’ve even heard him say he wants to coach again.
by KingRichard on Jan 20, 2012 12:15 AM EST up reply actions
tl;dr version
I want a head coach that is the antithesis of Jim Caldwell.
P.S. I know you won’t take offense to what I said Brad, but I figure I should say that there’s no love lost here brother. I just think your wish list for head coaches is shit. =P
So do I
I want someone that wants to just kill everyone and who has the brains to adapt to any personnel.
That guy isn’t out there, that we know of.
So we’re stuck looking at people like Carmichael. If nothing else, he knows a very good offense inside and out. Maybe he can’t lead for shit, but that’s what interviews are for.
ZIMMER IS THAT GUY!!!
Called Petrino a “gutless bass turd” for quitting mid season whithout informing his assistants of his decision. Gotta like a guy who ain’t afraid to call it like he sees it!
by James Busch on Jan 20, 2012 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
You don't want Zimmer....no matter what
the power of suggestion!!!
personally
I don’t want to see Marvin fired, I want him to be promoted to G.M. while handing the reigns over to Zimmer as head coach and hiring Jack Del Rio as Defensive Coordinator. Who Dey!!!
by joeb69 on Jan 9, 2012 8:18 PM EST replyactions 2 recs
You know.....
Belichick …wasn’t Belichick until he happened to lose Drew Bledsoe… He sucked at Cleveland and he sucked in New England ….all the way up to that point…
You really think if that injury doesn’t happen Belichick is smart enough to switch to a 6th round QB at that point in the season ??? Your high if you do….he would of went 5-11 and been an after thought right now…
Was more than that
The defense was still in good shape from a few years earlier from their SB run. Parcells had kept that team stocked with decent picks.
It also coincided with the loss of Dan Marino by the Dolphins, the Bills would begin their dive into complete mediocrity, and the Jets would basically fall apart due to the injuries to Pennington.
Their division was for the longest time (2001-2008) basically the weakest in all of the AFC, they compiled good defensive players, and they were generally guaranteed a playoff spot. Brady is still a great QB and I’m not taking anything away from him. However, it’s easy to be better than good when you get staked a 5-1/6-0 patch of games every year..
by DevilsReject on Jan 19, 2012 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
I really like
the combination of Zimmer and Carmichael. It may not happen, but they seem like a good direction. Why? I have no idea. :)
My top 3
1. Zimmer
2. Charmichael
3. Tressel
Dark horse: Chip Kelly
They should be able to get one of these guys…
Zimmer is a great leader and a defensive wizard. With Luck/Manning QB play which dictates offense more than anything else should be good. A defensive wiz may turn Powers Lacey and whoever into cover CBs that have value
Charmichael’s value is more obvious but I don’t know if it’s his contributions or it’s a Dungy/Caldwell type issue. Plus having Drew Brees makes anyone look good.
Tressel’s OSU exit was bad but he is a winner he is meticulous and a great game manager (no timeout issues or wasted posessions) along with being a great motivator. He is very conservative in play calling but with Luck/Manning a lot of plays will be called at the line.
Chip Kelly is a wild card and brings offensive genius along with killer instinct attitude and a Belicheckian disregard for keeping scores close
by (206)NightRidah on Jan 19, 2012 2:29 PM EST via mobile reply actions
NOT TESSEL
He is a joke if anyone saw how he handled the ohio state situation why would i want that guy coaching the Colts. He is a joke and shouldnt even be on the Colts radar. Plus going to high profile guy wont work with the way Irsay wants you need an up and comer coordinator like Zimmer if Charmichael. Plus Charmaichael was the QB coach and ended up with a guy named DREW BREES who shattered passing records thats I want coach Andrew Luck!
by lesismor191925 on Jan 19, 2012 7:54 PM EST up reply actions
SO RIGHT
Tressel should never have been hired, at one point i thought it was a good idea but when i heard about it i was in Afghanistan and had no clue what went down at OSU! When my father in law told me what went down and i researched it when i got back to the states i was so furious. The guy has no morals…I want a Tough-S.O.B, that knows how to manage the complete game, he has to be versatile, he has to be able to adapt, and get the players hyped up and playing at 100%. He has to have the knowledge of how to run not just one offensive scheme but at least two, we saw what happend when Painter couldn’t play i the manning system but all caldwell did was make minor changes, And that is what he continually said with the press, “a few minor things we can work on” Come on are you serious. I DO NOT KNOW HOW THAT GUY IS THAT I AM LOOKING FOR I HAVE BEEN OUT OF THE SCENE FOR 15 MONTHS SO I DON’T REALLY KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT ANYONE BUT I DO KNOW ABOUT TRESSEL…HOT GARBAGE!!
So easy..
Peyton Manning – Player/Head Coach
Peyton Manning – Player/Offensive Coordinator
Zimmer – Defensive Coordinator
"No one's gonna take me alive
The time has come to make things right
You and I must fight for our rights
You and I must fight to survive"
I say Dennis Green...
Then we can be who we think we are
"I guess no one told him justice was a team sport"
by 88steve on Jan 19, 2012 3:03 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
thanks 88steve for improving my health . . .
. . .I just laughed so fucking hard my ass fell off !!
by oldecoltsfan on Jan 19, 2012 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
the best clip ever
he is much more famous for that than his coaching and he never should have lost that game !!!!
by OBGYNOSUPREME on Jan 19, 2012 6:26 PM EST up reply actions
Your choices are blah
Zimmer is the only legitimate candidate in the group, and I really think he’s going to stay in Cinci. He at least makes the most sense.
Fewell has played Lord of the DLine in Giants land which has routinely had a very stout defense. How much of that is his work and how much of it is pure talent by the defense?
Carmichael? Shoot….Clyde Christenson could have directed that group of “Greatest Show on Turf v3”. Not impressed.
And Allen? It’s the flippin Broncos…
Just Promote Clyde....
That has to be why he hasn’t been fired yet.
by ColtsFanatic07 on Jan 19, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think he's been fired b/c our offensive system is still sound - it just requires a competent QB to work.
I am a veteran of the Internet - I will suffer fools gladly. And then mock them. And then post cat pictures.
by BoilerUp1982 on Jan 19, 2012 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
why do you think our offensive system is sound?
Our offense is a complete joke without Peyton Manning. Clyde was one of several coaches that have been exposed with the loss of Peyton Manning. Clyde would have been first on my list to hit the door, the guy is a complete failure at O.C.
by Blue Report on Jan 20, 2012 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
It's been mimicked by teams across the NFL. Look at the Pats
Brandon Stokely was the original Wes Welker. Dallas Clark burned the Pats for years, and then the Pats went out and started utilizing the TE position as a weapon with Gronk and Hernandez.
The reason why it didn’t work without Manning is because our contingency plans were absolutely horrible. KC, Painter and Orlovsky – not a single one is an NFL starter at this point, and it’s arguable that none of them could pass muster as a #2. That is why our offense faltered. That and they were limited by not only the complete lack of skill, but also the knowledge of the playbook.
When Manning was running the offense, he got absolutely everyone involved – Collie, Clark, Wayne, Garcon and Addai would commonly have 5+ catches apiece in a game. All because he simply knew more plays that the other QBs. Painter and Orlovsky would zone in one one or two WRs for most of the games, and most of the time Clark and Collie wouldn’t even get looks or seldom few at that.
Most of that is due to Manning simply taking every single rep available to him with the #1s since he came into the league – no other QB got the chance, and when they did, they crapped the bed.
A good QB like Andrew Luck – with time and reps – plugged into the system that Manning built is a no-brainer.
I am a veteran of the Internet - I will suffer fools gladly. And then mock them. And then post cat pictures.
by BoilerUp1982 on Jan 20, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
agreed
Clyde is our best option. Also, I agree vehemently with KingRichard regarding names mentioned as candidates.
by vini vidi vici on Jan 19, 2012 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
Not sure about that.
It is only “sound” with Peyton Manning, and him calling all the plays. I wouldn’t let Clyde coach Luck.
AGREE!!
No way in hell you move forward with Clyde a part of this team.
by Blue Report on Jan 20, 2012 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
Zimmer
Pros:
-Proven football mind and coach with 17 years in the NFL coaching defenses with 11 as a defensive coordinator. Had success with both the 3-4 and 4-3.
-Real ‘leader of men’ type of guy. Commands a room and is well respected.
-Players love him and play hard for him.
-Intense and focused.
-Midwest guy and has no glaring personal or disciplinary problems.
Cons
-No head coaching experience at the NCAA or NFL level
-Unproven game management skills
Jason Heyward wins at baseball.
by bbxxj on Jan 19, 2012 3:28 PM EST via mobile reply actions 2 recs
Well put
I am completely on board with Zimmer.
The other guys, meh, not so much
by harbaughmyhero on Jan 19, 2012 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
Tressel
Please, he doesn’t deserve a job in any capacity let alone head coach.
Tressel does deserve a shot, he is a good head coach
So he protected his players, big deal..the Nazis..I mean the NCAA is into everything just like tell the University of North Dakota they can’t say “Fighting Sioux” Who cares, he did not brake any laws. Ohio State is a Major Program and hes a winning HC.
by armycolts25 on Jan 19, 2012 8:08 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
This is the NFL, while I don't mind Tressel, I don't think he would make it here...
by harbaughmyhero on Jan 19, 2012 8:48 PM EST up reply actions
he wouldn't have to worry about NCAA infractions in the NFL
If we just judge him on his coaching skills he HAS to be in the conversation. That said, I STILL prefer Zimmer, because he’s a firey, emotional guy, who’s also a straight shooter, he IS the anti-Caldwell, and therefore gets my vote!
by James Busch on Jan 20, 2012 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
Because
If totally ignoring the regulations and being a bold faceliar, then maybee Tressel has all the necessary qulifictaions. An organization does not need someone with serious character flaws.
Your right we would never take that guy in New England..Bill somebody
Please..most Colts fans would take him in a minute. Trying to protect your players (kids) is not a serious character flaw, he did not work at Penn State. What he did was wrong, but he has paid the price..its time to move on and the guy can coach.
HOW ABOUT GREG ROMAN
I think Manning will retire and Luck will be the next QB. Roman did a great job with SF this year and turned Alex Smith into a pretty good QB. He worked closely with Luck at Stanford and has about 15 years as a an NFL assistant. NFL head coach could be a big jump though.
Roman
Vegas has Roman as second likeliest choice for Head coach. For whatever it’s worth.
by coltsgolfbeer on Jan 19, 2012 6:50 PM EST up reply actions
Zimmer
I would be okay with Zimmer as a HC if we could bring in Carmichael as an OC. PC Jr. might like the opportunity to prove his worth away from Sean Payton and Brees. This would give him a chance to “groom” Luck and should set him up for a HC gig in the future. He really shouldn’t even be mentioned as a possible HC at this point.
Zimmer could probably bring someone like Kevin Coyle (Bengals Secondary coach) with him as his DC. Coyle has been a DC on the college level before and worked under Marvin Lewis now for quite awhile.
I could live with:
HC – Zimmer
OC – Carmichael
DC – Coyle
Sign me up for that.
Jason Heyward wins at baseball.
by bbxxj on Jan 19, 2012 4:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
X3
I can support that, although I’m not as keen on Coyle. Our outgoing DB coach just got DC duty in Minn, so I guess it’s not that much of a stretch. I’d rather see a solid D-Line guy get the DC job!
by James Busch on Jan 20, 2012 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
Why would
Carmichael switch teams to be an offensive coordinator? He has the best offense in the league right now…
by Coltsfan1345 on Jan 20, 2012 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
Because
he would have the chance to run the offense completely on his own and prove if he’s really HC material. He’d get to coach Luck and build up his resume.
As long as he’s working under Payton, no one will believe that he completely runs that offense. He’d have his chance here.
you wouldnt get coyle
he’s under contract with cincy and always has been tagged as zimmers DC replacement. reason the bengals denied the eagles when they requested to talk to coyle last year.
"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."
If they can get Zimmer or Carmichael that's ideal
But id rather have Chip Kelly than some retread like Morningwheg or Spags as HC
by (206)NightRidah on Jan 19, 2012 4:53 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Chip Kelly?
He runs the quintessential college offense. You really think an offense that’s 95% runs and screen passes is going to work in the NFL? Please. He’s never had a defense and just out-speeds teams. That’s not how the NFL game is played. Need some type of defense.
by Coltsfan1345 on Jan 20, 2012 5:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
What in the heck
do you think the West Coast Offense is? Pretty much the exact same thing you just mentioned..albeit more passing than screens…
by DevilsReject on Jan 20, 2012 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
You don't watch Oregon do you?
Their offense is not the West Cost Offense. That actually consists of forward passes. Oregon’s offense rarely throws the ball downfield. However, Kelly’s a fantastic offensive mind and I’m sure he would coach a good offense in the NFL. He’d definitely have to change his system for the NFL though. He found an offensive system that can dominate college football, so he uses that. If he went to the NFL, he’d have to find a new system. But I think he’s an offensive genius. He’s never had a defense or any NFL experience though, so I wouldn’t really like the hire. Wouldn’t hate it either though.
by Coltsfan1345 on Jan 21, 2012 6:15 PM EST up reply actions
Actually
I do catch them from time to time, but the bottom line is that you actually misunderstood what I said…
I didn’t say they ran the WCO, I merely said that what you described is basically the WCO. It’s dinks and dunks with running mixed in.
by DevilsReject on Jan 21, 2012 7:57 PM EST up reply actions
Ummm...can I vote for Jim Harbaugh?
I mean, quarterback mind,
Indianapolis ties,
Pro style offense,
Great success at the collegiate level.
I bet the guy is just chomping at the bit for an opportunity to jump to the NFL. And I’d be willing to bet that he’ll be successful too. Just the guy to turn a struggling team around and get them into the playoffs.
…Just gotta finish my time machine here…
by Selador on Jan 19, 2012 5:09 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
CLARIFICATION
Harbaugh will be stop #2.
Stop #1 is to put a little stick’um on Hank Baskett’s face mask.
by Selador on Jan 19, 2012 5:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
that asshole Baskett
needs the tape across his mouth and his asshole for his comments that he really didn’t care that much and it didn’t bother him that much that he helped the Colts lose the SB
by OBGYNOSUPREME on Jan 19, 2012 6:33 PM EST up reply actions
Lol
Glad I read that last line….
I was thinking, “is this dude f’n delusional”
by harbaughmyhero on Jan 19, 2012 6:03 PM EST up reply actions
he is a the man in SF
will be there for a long long time should have fired Caldwell last year when I wanted to fire him!!! then they would have had a good chance to get Harbaugh
by OBGYNOSUPREME on Jan 19, 2012 6:32 PM EST up reply actions
zimmer or carmichael
though i would prefer zimmer especially if peyton is still around. Get some D, get rings, etc
I just saw on ESPN that Tressel was getting an interview...
I don’t known who to believe anymore
by (206)NightRidah on Jan 19, 2012 5:14 PM EST via mobile reply actions
The Mad Hatter
I want someone with head coaching experience, and Miles’ experience in the SEC is a big plus. Les Miles gets my vote for the next HC of your Indy Colts.
Zimmer all the way
Mike Zimmer as head coach, Clyde continues to be OC with Jim Tressel as offensive assistant (let us not forget Tressel was OC, QB/RB/WR coach in college, so extensive experience on the offensive side), and Jack Del Rio for DC.
Yep, an odd combination but a combination that will be respected and that can be made to work.
Rodd Chudzinski or Pete Carmichael are not going to come here to become an OC, they want to be head coaches.
Brian Billick
C’mon! Why isn’t anyone talking about this guy?!? He gushes over Manning and you’d think he’d do the same with Andy. People talk about his Baltimore SB, but do you guys forget the Culpepper to Moss connection? Screw the greatest show on turf, he tore it up with those guys and they broke records all over the place. It’s an even bigger deal since we all figured out how good of a QB Culpepper really was.
Start tweeting him @BrianBillick
"It's about the journey--mine and yours--and the lives we can touch, the legacy we can leave, and the world we can change for the better."
— Tony Dungy
I'm hoping your comment is serious...
Well, I actually mentioned him in this thread and two others today alone. Not to mention I’ve been talking about Billick since Dungy retired.
by KingRichard on Jan 20, 2012 12:09 AM EST up reply actions
Mike Martz
I know Martz retired a few weeks ago, but that was offensive coordinator. I think giving him an opportunity to coach Andrew Luck would be too good for him to pass up.
He has more experience as an NFL head coach then anyone else in contention, and note his lifetime win percentage is over 62%, He was coach of the best offense in NFL history IMO (consider rating that offense vs its peers of the time) He developed Warner and then Bulger. He was great in getting his running backs involved in the passing game, something I think he could exploit with Brown.
Add Spags as defensive coordinator, bring back Tom Moore for 2 yeara to be offensive coordinator and I wouldnt be surprised if Colts could contend in 2013
Spags
is working for the Saints now.
"Cat in the wall, eh? Ok, now you're talking my language. I know this game."
-Charlie
by Addai Another Aday on Jan 20, 2012 12:22 AM EST up reply actions
i'm not a fortune teller
but i doubt grigson has any interest in bringing back any past coaches from the polian era. i think this guy is gonna put his very distinct stamp on this franchise and live or die by it.
I'm not thrilled by any
of the current candidates. Bring in Jon Gruden. He’d love the challenge and he’s a high-energy leader.
Chip Kelly
Pair Chip with an OC with pro experience and what results could be amazing. He has already shown he is very smart and a great leader.
by Touchdown.Jesus on Jan 20, 2012 3:07 PM EST reply actions
Mangini
I know Eric Mangini failed as a HC in Cleveland but he would be an interesting choice for defensive coordinater. Just a thought.
by Touchdown.Jesus on Jan 20, 2012 3:09 PM EST reply actions
Funny how every name that comes up is shot down by the next poster...
Ideally they get a strong experienced leader preferably a coach that has had succes in the NFL
Gruden, Cowher, Billick, Fisher*
If they cant get that then a coordinator for a successful or up and coming franchise with playoff and big game experience
Zimmer, Carmichael
Or perhaps a college coach with extreme respect that has produced a ton off NFL players and understands how to be the face of a team…
Tressel, Kelly
What is bad would be hire a retread coach that flamed out and was a disaster as a HC because they are really a coordinator or some CFL guy which is much less pro football than what’s played at Oregon and Ohio State
Morninwheg, Phillips, Spaggs* (That CFL shmuck)
As long as they get the best guy available and great coordinators I as a fan will be happy. If they hire another scrub like JC it’s three more years lost
by (206)NightRidah on Jan 20, 2012 4:21 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Much rather have Mornhinweg than Kelly or Tressel
At least his offense has proven to work in the NFL. Tressel’s not even a very good college coach in my opinion. And Kelly’s screen pass offense would be a joke in the NFL. Mornhinweg has a proven offensive system that works quite well in the NFL.
I would welcome Jon Gruden though.
by Coltsfan1345 on Jan 20, 2012 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
Not even a very good college coach....
And that’s being kind. Good recruiter, bad coach.
by Coltsfan1345 on Jan 20, 2012 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
Great record and a NC
He got shelled by Florida LSU and SC but everyone does. They have better players…in the NFL it’s draft not recruit.
Many dislike JT but to call him a terrible coach isn’t objective he won 75% of the time really and dominated the Big Ten and his bowls outside of the NC games were they lost to superior teams
He would be much better than a retread HC.
I think Zimmer is the best candidate though…
by (206)NightRidah on Jan 21, 2012 12:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
How can people clamor for Harbaugh and then say
Tressel can’t coach because he doesn’t have NFL experience. If you are good you are good. Granted Harbaugh played in the NFL but he was coaching at a D3 school just a few years ago. Tress went through an embarrassing ordeal at OSU that was all his fault. But he is a good coach that plays an NFL style game with power running defense and special teams play…
He isn’t the best coach available but it’s obvious Irsay won’t give the power to Chuckie or Cowher…do we really think Tress is inferior to Coach Chilly or Morninwheg?
If they can’t get Zimmer who is the best option Tressel would be the next best option
by (206)NightRidah on Jan 21, 2012 12:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Actually
Harbaugh worked in the NFL as a coach with the Raiders prior to coaching at San Diego. He only improved that team by like 1000%. He revived the Stanford Cardinals to a status they hadn’t had in decades.
He didn’t just take over a program known for being a dominant football team…
by DevilsReject on Jan 21, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
He improved the Raiders?!
They were good when he got there and 4-12 when he left. I’m sure he was a great QB coach but to say he improved the Raiders 1000% is kinda delusional…
by (206)NightRidah on Jan 21, 2012 1:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Oh you meant he improved SD!
Tress won 4 championships at Youngstown State. That’s equal to JH’s work at SD…
Harbaugh is a better coach than Tress. My point is that the whole college coach can’t succeed isn’t true and proven by Harbaughs work in SF.
If you just don’t like Tressel or don’t think he is the best available coach that’s a reasonable argument. But to say he isn’t capable isn’t correct and likely fueled by Dislike for TOSU. Have you seen his record and his defenses and ST’s? Do you realize that coaching OSU Bama Texas Oklahoma LSU and mega programs like this are similar to an NFL gig based on revenues expectations and power salary and high stakes?
I am actually hoping for Zimmer! But if they can’t get Zimmer, I would absolutely take Tressel before the other guys connected to the HC job
by (206)NightRidah on Jan 21, 2012 1:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Conservative King
Do you actually want that type of coach? His playcalling makes Jim Caldwell look aggressive. Explain to me why that would be a better hire than someone like Marty Mornenwhig. It certainly would not.
by Coltsfan1345 on Jan 21, 2012 6:05 PM EST up reply actions
Waste time because you said he was a bad college coach
Almost an .800 win pct a NC two runner ups at TOSU….four D1aa championships at YSU…
5-3 in BCS bowls
All without an elite NFL QB prospect!
Terrible coaching indeed
by (206)NightRidah on Jan 21, 2012 6:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Routinely got outcoached
By SEC schools and every team he played that had a similar talent level as Ohio State (teams like USC). Stop making retarded excuses for him by saying the SEC had better talent. They didn’t. He had the heisman trophy winner Troy Smith and got bombarded by Florida with Chris Leak.
He’s an awful in-game coach. Fucking terrible.
by Coltsfan1345 on Jan 22, 2012 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
Do you watch college football or just look at the records?
Ever heard of Tressel-ball? Come on man, you want the Colts to play Tressel-ball? In case you don’t know, Tressel-ball is the most conservative playcalling you’ll ever see. That’s what Jim Tressel is known for – the most conservative playcalling in college football. 3rd and 6 is not a passing situation, that’s too risky, it’s a screen or draw play. 4th and inches is punting time, because as Jim Tressel refers to it “punting is the most important play in football” (he actually said that). 10 point lead in the 2nd quarter – time for prevent defense. His in game coaching and playcalling is a joke. Ask anyone that watches college football. Tressel invented conservative football. If he ends up being our coach, it would be tough for me to root for that type of team. That’s not real football.
by Coltsfan1345 on Jan 21, 2012 5:59 PM EST up reply actions
Obviously you dont watch football.
Tressel had bad and inaccurate QBs at OSU the two years he had troy smith they were top 5 in scoring. Yes with Krenzel Zwick Boeckman and Pryor he preferred to punt and play D.
The Colts are going to be pretty good at QB regardless so there will be no need to have an overly conservative approach.
Get your facts straight.
by (206)NightRidah on Jan 21, 2012 6:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
You're right I don't watch football
Everyone except you knows that Tressel ran the most conservative offense in the country at Ohio State. Again, since you don’t actually watch games but just like at things like records and points per game, try googling Jim Tressel conservative or Tressel-ball. It’s kind of a known fact buddy. I don’t think I made this up, I think everyone in the world knows Tressel-ball = conservative playcalling to the extreme. Do you want me to link you to some articles or something? You’re clueless.
Try watching football.
by Coltsfan1345 on Jan 21, 2012 6:49 PM EST up reply actions
I'm from Columbus TOSU class of 00 sir..,
Now live in Seattle…have seen every game OSU for 15yrs son even from 2500 miles away
Look at the QBs. When Tressel had Troy Smith Ginn Gonzo and Robiskie they had an elite offense.
If they didn’t have a good QB situation Tress would not be a good hire.
Furthermore, I think Zimmer is the best candidate. But If they can’t get him Tress is 2nd.
by (206)NightRidah on Jan 21, 2012 7:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Not sure what your argument is?
Since they had an elite offense they weren’t conservative? I guess I made up the idea of Tressel being conservative and made up the term Tresel-ball (which is what the Broncos offense was called this year by experts).
His conservative gameplan would work against teams like Iowa, but when they played a big time team like LSU, Texas, UF, USC, etc. they always lost (and usually by 2 or more TDs). That’s awful. Don’t tell me UF had so much more talent than them that year. Ohio State’s gameplan in that game was a joke. Florida’s gameplan to shut down the heisman trophy winner was flawless. Tressel didn’t even try to adjust – he just watched the best college football player in the country get dominated.
He had a much more talented team than USC one year and played them in Columbus. Matt Barkley was a freshman and played like one. But OSUs gameplan was terrible and they were outcoached:
He’s easily the most conservative coach on the market. Thanks but no thanks. I’ll take a more aggressive coach. Don’t want the Colts to play Tressel-ball; I don’t think anyone here but Ohio State alums do.
by Coltsfan1345 on Jan 22, 2012 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
My
Top two choices are Pete Carmichael or Joe Philbin. Both run highly effective offenses and would be great tutors for Luck. I think they would hire their QB coach to run their offense for them. I like Carmichael because he has learned from Payton to leave no stone unturned and pays attention to the smallest of details. Do you know the coaching staff had them put on dry shirts in the second half of the Superbowl so they would be fresh. I know he has no head coaching experience but all of the other coaches started somewhere. I don’t think that will be a problem at all as they run a very tight organization there. Since Spags is off the table, I say hire Mike Singletary as the DC. I don’t think anyone can deny the attitude he brought to that defense. I say throw enough money at Zimmer and have him jump ship the way Williams did from the Saints. Honestly, I would be happy with Carmichael, Zimmer, or Morningwheg. My sleeper is Greg Roman, I would be quite intrigued with him. College coaches should be the coordinators if no one else can be found.
Well, since Philbin is new 'Fins coach
Time to move on. But PLEASE NOT BRAD CHILDRESS – talk about a retread……….
Beware of Childress
or as we called him in Minnesota, Mr. Noodle. I was reading an article that his name has now come up. Maybe as an Coordinator, maybe as some office personnel, but not a head coach. He took a QB that had the possible talent, Tavaris “T-Joke” Jackson, and ran him into the ground. He get’s too much credit with being a guru as it is. Most of the players we’ve gotten during his tenure, Jared Allen, Winfield just to name a few, were more or less orchestrated by Spielman and alot of input from Bevell and Fraizer.
The whole episode of Fav………He Who Shall Not Be Named, was more of a desperation ploy. Yeah, we came damned close in 2009 to the Super Bowl with you guys, but we are paying for it now. I hope, for the Colts sake, Irsay and Grigson are only taking a passing look. If you guys do draft Luck with Chilly at the helm, he may not turn into the second coming a Manning.
Gentlemen! You can't fight in here, this is a war room!
Tressel!!!!!!
Colts interview Tressel for a second time. Big Ten Coach who knows how to recruit, manage games and have a high powered offense. I told you all. Itll be him. I knew it when they hired him as a “replay consultant” that he would be the next head coach. Guess we will know next week.
Recruiting doesnt matter in the pros
"The goal remains the same"
by TimeToPlayHard on Jan 22, 2012 1:23 AM EST up reply actions
WHAT!!!!!???
You my friend or a moron and have just proven that with your statement.
by ColtsCrushers on Jan 23, 2012 5:02 AM EST up reply actions
Tressel will be a fine HC
Get him a DC, and I wonder if the reason most of the Offensive assistants to include the OC is still around is because Tressel likes them or wants them on his staff. Notice how none of the defensive side is still around.
My vote for head coach is Zimmer with Spags as DC
The real question with possibly starting a rookie is the OC position. I’d like to see an upgrade there.
Spags is with the Saints
and…you don’t want ANYTHING to do with Zimmer…trust me…;)
personally
I don’t want to see Marvin fired, I want him to be promoted to G.M. while handing the reigns over to Zimmer as head coach and hiring Jack Del Rio as Defensive Coordinator. Who Dey!!!
by joeb69 on Jan 9, 2012 8:18 PM EST replyactions 2 recs
just trust me!!!
it’s the power of suggestion man, lol, seriously, Bengals fan here, I don’t want to lose him, read my signature line
personally
I don’t want to see Marvin fired, I want him to be promoted to G.M. while handing the reigns over to Zimmer as head coach and hiring Jack Del Rio as Defensive Coordinator. Who Dey!!!
by joeb69 on Jan 9, 2012 8:18 PM EST replyactions 2 recs
Zim would put his foot in someone's rear end
Would be epic!
by (206)NightRidah on Jan 21, 2012 10:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
yeah, Zimm don't play
“In Zimm We Trust”
personally
I don’t want to see Marvin fired, I want him to be promoted to G.M. while handing the reigns over to Zimmer as head coach and hiring Jack Del Rio as Defensive Coordinator. Who Dey!!!
by joeb69 on Jan 9, 2012 8:18 PM EST replyactions 2 recs
+everything
personally
I don’t want to see Marvin fired, I want him to be promoted to G.M. while handing the reigns over to Zimmer as head coach and hiring Jack Del Rio as Defensive Coordinator. Who Dey!!!
by joeb69 on Jan 9, 2012 8:18 PM EST replyactions 2 recs
seriously though
you guys (Colts) are the team I follow 2nd and I really like you guys (Colts) and I STILL don’t want you guys (Colts) to get Zimm, cause that’s how bad we NEED him. I suspect that the Colts and Bucs will go in different directions, both seem to be offensive minded. The support for him on Tampa’s site is nothing like it is here, they want Schottenheimer or Chudzinski, hope you guys go offensive minded too with a new QB coming in, bet Fisher wishes he would have waited longer.
personally
I don’t want to see Marvin fired, I want him to be promoted to G.M. while handing the reigns over to Zimmer as head coach and hiring Jack Del Rio as Defensive Coordinator. Who Dey!!!
by joeb69 on Jan 9, 2012 8:18 PM EST replyactions 2 recs
but if the Colts want him
I suggest they act fast, rumors are Raiduhs gonna ask next to talk to him
personally
I don’t want to see Marvin fired, I want him to be promoted to G.M. while handing the reigns over to Zimmer as head coach and hiring Jack Del Rio as Defensive Coordinator. Who Dey!!!
by joeb69 on Jan 9, 2012 8:18 PM EST replyactions 2 recs
would much rather see him
A colt rather than Raiduhs or Bucs
personally
I don’t want to see Marvin fired, I want him to be promoted to G.M. while handing the reigns over to Zimmer as head coach and hiring Jack Del Rio as Defensive Coordinator. Who Dey!!!
by joeb69 on Jan 9, 2012 8:18 PM EST replyactions 2 recs
would be sorta cool, if we have to lose zimmer,
for zimmer to lead the colts.
"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."
Why would he go to Oakland?
The Raiders are a joke compared to us. Yet another classless organization like the Jets. Why would he go there?
agreed
but, I have a feeling that he wants to be a head coach so bad he’d accept the first one offered
personally
I don’t want to see Marvin fired, I want him to be promoted to G.M. while handing the reigns over to Zimmer as head coach and hiring Jack Del Rio as Defensive Coordinator. Who Dey!!!
by joeb69 on Jan 9, 2012 8:18 PM EST replyactions 2 recs
in cincy we have this dream scenario for after the 2012 season
marvin is rehired as GM
zimmer is HC
coyle is DC
"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."
My List
HC – Zimmer
OC – Martz
DC – Del Rio
by G Colt on Jan 22, 2012 12:41 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Del Rio
Was actually a pretty decent defensive guy, he just routinely got stuck with a crap offense that relied exclusively on the run….
by DevilsReject on Jan 22, 2012 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah sure, he was decent as a small piece in a bigger puzzle. When he became the centerpiece of the puzzle he showed just how bad a decision maker he is. I don’t trust him at all.
by KingRichard on Jan 24, 2012 12:16 AM EST up reply actions
Zimmer is my guy
I think he’ll bring something to the table for this team in regards of re-vamping our defense. I’ll like to see this team play more aggressive on D instead of this soft “vanilla” nonsense, I wouldn’t mind seeing a brand new scheme if we were to venture away from the Cover-2.
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