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Pagano and the Rebuilding of the Defense

There has been alot of buzz lately about what the hiring of a defensive coordinator from a '3-4' team as our head coach means for our base 4-3 defense. I don't think we will know for sure for a while what Pagano will do but lets just assume he will mold our defense after the Baltimore defense. Before I try and explain their system, and I'm no expert, you should check out a couple of really good SB nation articles about the Raven's defense and the 3-4 in general:

Baltimore Beat Down

Buffalo Rumblings #1

Buffalo Rumblings #2

As the author said in the Baltimore Beat Down article, to explain the hybrid 3-4 they run would take pages upon pages but I'll try to very quickly and crudely explain it. It is very similar to a conventional 3-4 as it will show a nose tackle flanked by two big and preferably long defensive ends to play over the tackles (these are also sometimes referred to as DT/DE as they are a sort of hybrid position). Also just like other 3-4 defenses two middle linebackers set up behind the tackles but how the outside linebackers play is the difference. The right side (outisde of the left tackle) outside linebacker is called a rush linebacker as that player primarily rushes and is not often asked to fall into coverage. The left outside linebacker will still rush the passer but is asked to do more in coverage. In Baltimore's current defense Terrell Suggs is is the rush linebacker and Jarret Johnson is the strongside outside linebacker. Suggs lines up often as a down defensive end and their 3-4 defense ends up more like our 4-3 than a conventional PIT or GB 3-4 outside linebacker.

Their defense also can quickly transform and stick in a four man front should their opponent need to pass often. Just pull the nose tackle and send in the nickel corner and instantly you have a 4-3 nickel defense.

After the break I will attempt to see how we can add our current pieces, free agents and draft choices to mold our defense to this scheme.

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I will go through position by position and explain our options in filling that spot whether its from 'roster', 'draft', or 'free agency'. I am working under the assumption that Manning, Wayne, Saturday etc wont be back so we will have cap room for at least a few impact signings.

Nose Tackle:

Roster: There aren't really any options here for a 1-tech nose on our roster. Antonio Johnson is roughly 310 but thats about 20-40 pounds too light for your optimal nose. Nevis and Moala are both around 300 but thats also not good enough.

FA: This is actually a surprisingly good option. The free agent NT that should interest us in order of how much they should cost are Antonio Garay SD, Sione Pouha NYJ, Paul Soliai MIA, Aubreyu Franklin NO, Kelly Gregg KC, and Brandon McKinney BAL. Soliai, Garay and Pouha will be hard to get our hands on but if we can we definitely should try with Soliai being my first choice. Miami is rumored to be moving to a 4-3 so we should go hard after Soliai. Franklin is an interesting case as he was a good NT in the SF 3-4 then signed a one year deal in NO to play inside in a 4-3. Maybe he would be tempted to come back and play NT if we offered him a starting gig. Gregg is getting up there (35) but might have a few years left as a bridge and mentor should we draft a young NT. McKinney was a backup in Pagano's defense last year and he may be temped to leave with the promise of more playing time.

Draft: Just like every year NT is a sparse position in the draft. Only three guys could probably start at NT next year as rookies. The first two are Dontari Poe/Memphis and Alameda Ta'amu/Washington. Both of these guys could be gone by our 32nd pick but if they are we should pick them up. However if they are gone at #32 or we get a better value at another position we could pick up Josh Chapman/Alabama at #61. I don't feel like we have to get a NT in the draft due to their availability in FA but it wouldn't hurt.

Prediction: Paul Soliai 6-4 355 and Brandon McKinney 6-2 350

Defensive Tackle / Defensive End:

Roster: 3-4 DEs are similar enough to 4-3 DT that a few of our guys should make the conversion. In general you want a taller linemen with long arms to hold off the tackle and maintain his two gaps. At 6-4 and 6-3, Moala and Johnson are both tall enough to play the 5-tech 3-4 end and can obviously play DT when reverted to a four man front. However they don't have the pass rushing ability to play 4-3 DE so they will need to stay over the left side of the offense as RDEs. This way they will play RDE in the 3-4 and then DT when sliding over to give the 4-3 look. The LDE however will need to be able to function as both a 5-tech over the tackle and as a rush end outside the tackle. This is because when the rush linebacker moves in on the shoulder of the left tackle the line shifts over and the LDE moves to the outside of the right tackle - becoming a 4-3 DE in effect. Drake Nevis may not be the prototype here but I think he has enough penetrating ability to be effective. Beyond him we don't really have anyone on the roster to play the LDE position. Mathews and Ogbu could fit either but aren't good enough really to try and fit them in.

FA: There are a ton of options here to play the LDE position or RDE and really too many to name. To focus on some names we would be familiar with, Jamaal Anderson and Tyler Brayton are your sort of prototypical LDE as they are long (both 6-6) and big enough (~280-290 each) to hold up in 5-tech but have the pass rush to play the 4-3 DE role. Anderson was better than Brayton last year and a bit better fit as LDE so I think I'd keep him around. Another interesting name here is Cory Redding who played last year under Pagano. He isn't a superstar but is a solid player and could be lured to follow his coach. Calais Campbell is the star FA DT/DE but I don't think we should/could spend the resources to go get him. Another guy we could go after and put money on like Soliai is Derek Landri who played for Grigson in Philly but I think he stays there.

Draft: Just like free agency there are a ton of options to fill the DT/DE spot through the draft and again too many to name. Some of the big names like Michael Brockers/LSU and Devon Still/Penn St will be gone by #32 but some other guys like Fletcher Cox/Mississippi State, Jared Crick/Nebraska, Jerel Worthy/Michigan St. and a few others could be available and good value at #32. I wouldn't fault Grigson for taking one of those guys there but I feel like we need to get some help for Luck at that pick in the form of a WR/TE/OL or a CB, whatever is the best value, and then take a DT/DE in the third with our #61 pick. One guy who should be available and I really like in this scheme is Derek Wolfe/Cinncinatti. He is a big tall kid with a nonstop motor and will be able to disrupt and hold the line as a RDE.

Prediction: RDE - Fili Moala 6-4 300, Antonio Johnson 6-3 310, Derek Wolfe 6-5 300; LDE - Cory Redding 6-4 298, Drake Nevis 6-1 294, Jamaal Anderson 6-6 290

Outside Linebacker / Rush Linebacker:

Roster: I think some people may disagree with me on this but I feel that almost all the tools needed for this position are already on the roster. Just look at the the comparables for our guys on the Ravens: Suggs 6-3 260 and Kruger 6-4 268 compare to Freeney 6-1 268 at rush linebacker while Johnson 6-3 265 and Kindle 6-3 250 compare to Mathis 6-2 245 and Hughes 6-2 255 at strongside outside linebacker. If anything our guys are a little smaller and more mobile as linebackers than their Ravens counterparts. Freeney gets to stay in a primary weakside rush position and will often be lined up with his hand on the ground rushing the passer off of the left tackle's shoulder sprinkling in some coverage dropbacks. Mathis gets his wish and will play the SOLB falling back in coverage and blitzing off the edge. Hughes should also do much better in this role than a down 4-3 edge rusher.

FA: There are options in free agency for outside linbackers but I don't think any are realistic or worthwhile. Jarret Johnson is I guess conceivable and would be an option should Mathis leave but I think it might be best not to even try. Other guys out there wouldn't really be an upgrade over what we have in house now.

Draft: This year's draft does not have an abundance of edge rushers and actually is a weakness of this class. With so many teams needing edge rushers its doubtful we will find value in the early rounds and would have to reach. We could take a mid round developmental type like Brandon Lindsay/Pitt to sit behind Freeney as a rush linebacker and hopefully become a starter someday.

Prediction: Rush Linebacker- Dwight Freeney 6-1 268, Brandon Lindsey 6-2 250; Strongside Outside Linebacker- Robert Mathis 6-2 245, Jerry Hughes 6-2 255

Inside Linebacker:

Roster: Like the outside linebacker position we should be able to fill the inside primarily with guys already on the roster. Angerer is an obvious starter at strongside inside linebacker and Brackett if healthy is better suited for the weakside inside linebacker spot. If Brackett is not healthy and cut then Conner can move into the WILB spot and even if he is healhy Conner should still get plenty of reps at WILB and WILL linebacker in 4-3 looks. Having all three of these guys on the roster gives the flexibility to switch with one sub to a 4-3 by pulling the NT, putting the OLB on the line and sending in Conner to play WILL. We have added a few flier free agents already and they might stick as that fourth ILB.

FA: Again, like the OLB position, there are free agents who could help us but considering the other needs on the team we should only be looking for a heavy, run-stopping, backup caliber MILB.

Draft: We should be looking to invest only a late round pick in an ILB through the draft. Someone like Noah Keller/Ohio 6-1 245, who is a instinctual and sound tackler but needs to play in a 'phone booth', could fit that bill.

Prediction: SILB- Pat Angerer 6-0 235, Noah Keller 6-1 245; WILB- Gary Brackett 5-11 235, Kavell Conner 6-0 242

Summary:

When you add up my predicted front seven you get something that looks like this as a starting lineup:

Rush LB: Dwight Freeney

RDE: Fili Moala

NT: Paul Soliai

LDE: Cory Redding

SOLB: Robert Mathis

SILB: Pat Angerer

WILB: Gary Brackett/Kavell Conner

In my opinion we can build a very good hybrid 3-4 defense in one offseason without an excessive amount of resources consumed. It will take careful planning by people much smarter than I and outstanding coaching that Coach Pagano can supply, but I believe it is possible. Do you agree?

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Stampede Blue's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Stampede Blue's writers or editors.

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Great write up

To the tune of Volare

Pa-ga-no……whoa-oh-oh-o

Pa-ga-no……whoa-oh-oh-o

He came from Baltimore

Our D now play 3-4

Pa-ga-no…….whoa-oh-oh-o

I actually could see a scenario where Freeney is traded to create cap space and extra draft picks. It’ll also be interesting to see if Hughes can develop into a stand up pass rusher in Coach P’s brave new world.

Go Colts

by TartanColt1 on Jan 26, 2012 3:43 PM EST reply actions  

Nose Tackle

If you watched the 49ers/Giants game, you would remember how awesome their nose tackle was. The DEs were set out wide and this 290# guy was in the middle by himself destroying the Giants line. You don’t need 350# in there, you need an animal with rabies.

http://www.49ers.com/team/roster/Ray-McDonald/031ba8d2-5566-4f92-a118-6b6c6260cc65

I’ll be interested to see who the Defensive Coordinator is. The head coach can adjust, but the DC will tell what kind of defense we’ll see on the field. We can’t replace everyone in one season to become a 3-4. I think the Colts have who they need for ends if they want to go 3-4. The linebackers are the problem, and Freeney and Mathis aren’t linebackers. With 3 down linemen the Colts 235# linebackers are going to get killed in the run game going head to head with offensive linemen and fullbacks. We need a couple 250# middle linebackers.

I don’t think we’ll see a pure 3-4 any time soon because our best players are 4-3 guys. A pass rushing DE in a 4-3 isn’t a linebacker. I don’t see Freeney dropping back into coverage or rushing from standing up. His skills are in disengaging from a tackle. I think we’ll see the 4-3 still, but with some twists.

by wcwills on Jan 26, 2012 4:26 PM EST reply actions  

You don’t need 350# in there, you need an animal with rabies.

This is true if you run an aggressive one gap scheme like the the 49ers or Cowboys. In those schemes you can have smaller NT because they are essentially just a third DT shooting an inside gap. You also need big LBer in those schemes because they are needed to control entire gaps left open by the tackles shooting just one gap.

In the Ravens’ type scheme you need a monster 340-350lb NT because he is responsible for occupying both gaps on each side of the center and demand the attention of hopefully the C and both OG. The same goes for the DT/DE as they need to be big enough to stack up the tackle and play both his inside gap and the edge. In this way you have three monsters responsible for all six interior and edge gaps allowing your linebackers to be smaller and flow free to the football. You can have 230-240lb ILB in this defense.

We can’t replace everyone in one season to become a 3-4.

We don’t need to replace everyone, just add a few pieces and coach up some guys.

A pass rushing DE in a 4-3 isn’t a linebacker.


Thats where they get 3-4 OLB from – athletic 4-3 college ends.

Jason Heyward wins at baseball.

by bbxxj on Jan 26, 2012 5:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I understand you don't need a massive guys at NT

but most true NTs are larger guys, able to hold up two players and eat blocks. Few guys in smaller builds can handle the job, wcwillis.

Chapman is a bad choice. The top NTs, Ta’ amu and Poe, are the choices. Chapman is too small. 310lbs. Just won’t work if you’re leaning on them.

by AnotherWriter on Jan 26, 2012 4:52 PM EST reply actions  

rec'd, good read.

the 3-4 defense is quite different from 4-3. I’ve always felt that the 3-4 could be more complex for an offense to read, and in today’s era of the “passing league”, its no wonder more and more teams are switching to the 3-4.

Only those who attempt the absurd will achieve the impossible.
Escher, M.C.

by motrepip on Jan 26, 2012 7:42 PM EST reply actions  

BUILD THE DEFENSE!

The ONLY way Pagano builds his defense is to trade the pick!!!! GET MORE BODIES!

by shoospa on Jan 27, 2012 1:28 AM EST reply actions  

I don't believe this to be true.

I know free agency has not been something we have been able to even consider for years but we need now to take into account that we Grigson as our GM who was a high up in the Eagles’ free agency spending spree just last year. When Manning is cut, and he will be cut, Saturday, Diem and Wayne probably go with him – freeing up nearly 34 million in caps space from those players alone.

With that freedom we could realistically land these players:

Brent Grimes – 5 yr(s) / $48,750,000 (Based on Jonathan Joseph’s FA contract last year)
Paul Soliai – 6 yr(s) / $33,555,000 (Based on Kyle William’s contract)
Cory Redding – 5 yr(s) / $28,000,000 (Based on Jason Babin’s FA contract)

That equals about $22 million of yearly cap space leaving roughly $12 in cap space to make up for underestimations of these contracts, the signing of miscellaneous defensive roll players, a passable veteran center and some sort of viable #2 receiver like Garcon, Steve Smith (PHI), or Cotchery. With $32 to spend I’m not really even aiming that high as those are only the number 20, 27, and 30th ranked free agents according to this list.

Cutting Manning and adding Luck is like trading his salary for several impact FA to help rebuild the defense.

Jason Heyward wins at baseball.

by bbxxj on Jan 27, 2012 7:09 AM EST up reply actions  

AJ and Mathews are between 320-340
Nevis and Moala between 305 – 315

Technique is what they lack the most, not size.

by Ty46 on Jan 27, 2012 3:59 AM EST reply actions  

When you are talking about 3-4 DT/DE it doesn’t matter all that much what they weigh but more on their ability to stack and shed. The guy I am most confident in making the conversion to 5-tech is Moala as he has the long arms, bulk and height to keep offensive tackles away from his body so he can protect both gaps. Johnson should be able to do this but I am a little more concerned about Nevis. His strength is his ability to shoot one gap and get penetration not stack and guard two gaps. Nevis won’t be a starter in this scheme but rather a high value backup used on passing downs as a penetrating interior linemen or strongside defensive end.

Jason Heyward wins at baseball.

by bbxxj on Jan 27, 2012 8:57 AM EST up reply actions  

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