ADVANTAGES OF TRADING THE 1ST OVERALL PICK
It really all comes down to Peyton Manning vs Andrew Luck. First, I have to say that I’m not all sold on Andrew Luck and I’m a Robert Griffin III fan, so there’s a discrepancy there. Luck’s numbers dropped off in the last 5 games of the season and he threw at least an interception in each of those 5 games, including 2 interceptions in a loss to Oregon where Stanford was blown out. His numbers really began to drop at Washington State, but playing Oregon was his low point of the season. Though, he did redeem himself in the Fiesta Bowl against Oklahoma State and should’ve won the game, if not due to some bad place kicking.
It is widely believed that Colts will be picking Andrew Luck with the 1st overall pick. And if Andrew Luck really is what people say he’ll be, then, I’d say, go and draft Luck. If Luck can be the next Tom Brady or Drew Brees or Aaron Rodgers or Peyton Manning, then I’d definitely say draft Luck. But if Luck falls short and is a Jay Cutler or Ben Roethlisberger (not saying they’re bad, just not elite), then trade the pick. And there’s always the thought in the back that Luck can be a Ryan Leaf or a JaMarcus Russell. So here are some other options the Colts can take. Note: OTHER OPTIONS.
Adam Schefter of ESPN has reported that this year’s 1st overall pick is worth three 1st round picks and two 2nd round picks. With a new defensive head coach, I think it is best to give him the best weapons available for him to be successful and to have a good defense. A team like Baltimore and Pittsburgh have shown you don’t need an elite QB, you need a good defense and a good running game, which I believe we have in Addai, Brown, and Carter. I need to state some assumptions for the following: 1. Other teams won’t be trading picks around. 2. Colts won’t trade away any of their current picks. 3. The condition pick given for Peyton Hillis is a 3rd round or lower pick. (I believe it was a 6th or 7th round pick)
Proposal:
Cleveland Browns get – 2012 1st round pick (1st overall)
Indianapolis Colts get – (2) 2012 1st round pick (4th overall, 22nd overall), 2013 1st round pick, 2012 2nd round pick (37th overall), 2013 2nd round pick, QB Colt McCoy
I believe Cleveland will give up Colt McCoy if needed to get Andrew Luck for their team so they can have a foundation to build upon.
Draft:
1st round (4th overall): QB/OT/WR/CB – The Colts have many options here. I believe St. Louis is sticking with Sam Bradford as they should, and Minnesota is sold on Christian Ponder, leaving Robert Griffin III for the Colts. Colts needs a future QB, and RG3 is a perfect QB to sit under Manning for a few seasons and learn from the future HoFer. RG3 was raised in a military family, he’s got great discipline and work ethic. He’s the perfect project player, high risk, high reward. Also good as an insurance policy if Peyton goes down again, though Colt McCoy is a serviceable QB and is a step up above the scrubs we had this season.
If RG3 is taken, USC’s Matt Kalil would be the next option. Ryan Diem is aging and most likely won’t even be back next season. Jeff Linkenbach is not a long term solution for OT. Matt Kalil, if drafted, can play LT, Anthony Castonzo can be moved over to RT, Ben Ijalana moved to interior to play OG, with Joe Reitz playing the other OG position. Jeff Saturday, if he decides to return, will of course play C, if not, Mike Pollak will have to be retained to play C for a season as a try out.
Other options are Oklahoma State’s WR Justin Blackmon, LSU’s CB Morris Claiborne, and Alabama’s CB Dre Kirkpatrick. I only just realized that Pierre Garçon’s contract ends this season and not the next, so it’ll be likely that the Colts will lose Reggie Wayne and maybe Anthony Gonzalez and that Garçon will be retained. Justin Blackmon can then replace Reggie Wayne at WR and Colts would still have Austin Collie and Blair White to play slot receiver. Colts are still lacking at the CB position so there is Morris Claiborne and Dre Kirkpatrick available, with Morris Claiborne being the better of the latter. Penn State’s DT Devon Still would be looked at too but a bit high to take with the 4th overall pick.
1st round (22nd overall): WR/CB – Colts will need to either draft a WR or CB here. South Carolina’s Alshon Jeffery and Baylor’s Kendall Wright will be there as WRs though Jeffery might be taken a little earlier. If Blackmon is not taken by the Colts and Reggie Wayne and Gonzalez is lost, Colts must take a WR, unless they go for DeSean Jackson in free agency. Also at WR is Notre Dame’s Michael Floyd.
At CBs, you’ve got Washington’s Desmond Trufant, South Carolina’s Stephon Gilmore and Nebraska’s Alfonzo Dennard, both are very talented. Colts must upgrade the secondary. Our CBs are utterly crap.
2nd round (34th & 37th overall): WR/DT – Assuming that RG3 and a CB is taken, a WR is still needed. Rutgers’ Mohamed Sanu and LSU’s Rueben Randle would be available at this spot. The DT position has been lacking, even with Drake Nevis playing well, we need another DT who can play NT incase we move to a 3-4. Washington’s Alameda Ta’amu would most likely be available. Standing 6’3”, weighing 341 lbs, the guy is monster, he ate up double teams and can do work with Nevis, Mathis and Freeney all on the same defensive line.
3rd round (65th overall): CB/S – The Colts secondary last year, was one of the worst I’ve seen in about 10 years of football, including that putrid Houston secondary and a major problem was the safety David Caldwell/Joe Lefeged and the inexperience at corner. I really like Georgia’s Bacarri Rambo, he’s a playmaker and has good safety instincts and a physical presence. Plus, he’s got a sick name. Though, I do believe he decided to stay for his senior year, not sure on that. Oklahoma State’s Markelle Martin is a fast natural free safety but can play strong safety as well. I’m not too hyped up about him though.
At CB, Vanderbilt’s Casey Hayward might be available as goes for Virginia Tech’s Jayron Hosley. I like both players, as both are ball hawks and got good tackling skills. Jayron Hosley is an efficient punt returner as well. He averaged more than 12 yards per punt return.
4th round (97th overall): S – Harrison Smith is a good safety, good tackler, decent in coverage, he was burnt a few times this season, but also made many good plays. Should still be available by the 4th round.
5th round (128th overall): QB – Really, by now, draft becomes garbage, draftees lower than the 4th round are usually bench players and wash out to the UFL or CFL. But if RG3 isn’t taken, a prospect is Boise State’s Kellen Moore. Decent numbers, weak arm though. Not bad, not great, can’t be expecting a whole lot. If he sits under Manning for 4 years, maybe he can learn a few things, or he can be Jim Sorgi V.3/Curtis Painter V.2. Decent insurance for Manning.
6th round (161st overall): LB – Injury replacement LB. Adrien Cole, D.J. Holt are decent MLBs, Mychal Kendricks, Ryan Baker are decent OLBs.
7th round (191st overall): WR – We get the best from the worst. I like taking a WR in the last round, since elite QBs can make anyone look good, like a no name undrafted player like Blair White catching 36 balls and getting 5 TDs. Someone like Risard Matthews who can play WR and PR might come in handy, or Dyrell Roberts who can play KR.
Summary:
1st round – (OT) Matt Kalil [Assumpion: St. Louis drafts Blackmon, Minnesota drafts Robert Griffin III]
1st round – (CB) Desmond Trufant/Stephon Gilmore
2nd round – (DT/NT) Alameda Ta’amu
2nd round – (WR) Mohamed Sanu/Rueben Randle
3rd round – (CB) Jayron Hosley
4th round – (S) Harrison Smith
5th round – (QB) Kellen Moore
6th round – (M/ILB) Adrien Cole
7th round – (WR/KR) Dyrell Roberts
The Colts still have two 2013 1st round picks and two 2nd round picks should they want to trade for players or trade up in the draft. Lots of options. I realize this mock trade and draft has flaws, but all mock drafts have flaws. And it is risky not taking Andrew Luck, but hey, this is only an alternative option. Comments and criticisms are welcome as long as it has some content.
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St. Louis will take Kalil. Fisher will want to protect his Franchise QB. They’ve had sub par Oline play. I like your thoughts on the late round picks. Smith and Moore, I think will be sleepers in this year’s draft. I’m just not sold on RG3. He had fast receivers and backs at Baylor. He won’t have that if Indy drafts him. I guess only time will tell though.
by Josh Greentree on Jan 26, 2012 11:47 AM EST reply actions
Colt McCoy
He would make a fine backup. But why trade picks? If the Browns land Luck, they would probably give up McCoy for a bag rice and a half eaten pack of M&M’s!!
This is great...
I think the trade-off between Luck and Griffin would be worth it, especially with the # of picks that the Browns may give up…Get a QB, and get a bunch of picks to beef up the defense…it’s all a gamble, but I think your reasoning is logical.
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Agree and Disagree
Disagree that are running game is fine with ADDAI and BROWN! ADDAI has shown nothing but injury prone since rookie season. Iowa’s Reif is ranked higher on most prejectons than Kalil! Why waste the late round pick on QB? If you go After RG3 and have McCoy and Dan O? I do agree this is the way to go. But I think there will be more current players being shown the door. IE: Bracket, Lacy, Bullitt, Clark, Freeney + a handfull of fill ins! I like your thaughts though!
That's the thing.
Sometimes, you just gotta go with. No team is perfect, every team has blemishes. Addai has been prone to injuries, but he was the only runner for the team. In Addai’s rookie season, he and Dominic Rhodes split carries fairly evenly, so both runners were healthy. One reason that Donald Brown was drafted was to have 2 runningbacks to split carries, but Brown didn’t break out until this season. And yes, I do think Donald Brown broke out this season. I like having Addai, Donald, and Carter all running. The QB problem is more based on whether we take RG3 or not, if RG3 is taken by Minnesota, then you’d have to draft Kellen Moore to sit under Manning and learn while McCoy is the 2nd string backup. Dan Orlovsky would be released in theory.
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I do agree that the Colts just have too many needs not to trade the pick.
But if the Colts keep the pick, I do hope Luck is worth it.
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by Bronn on May 17, 2011 4:56 PM EDT
agree
the Colts should at least listen to offers even if they don’t trade. I mean you got a guy who built a defense that covered over Flacco you think he can’t win with a accurate QB (which is a step up from Flacco) instead of a ELITE one? Ryan G is the scout genius, let him find the next Brady and we laugh with all those picks in future drafts.
Does everyone forget?...
I can see that you have put a great deal of thought into your post. However, it seems you (and many other people) are forgetting some major factors regarding Manning.
Manning was healthy last year and had his worst statistical season since his rookie year. People tend to forget that 30yr old Manning is not the one coming back. Regardless of the 3 neck surgeries, he will be 36 next season. Do you mortgage the future of the organization on the hopes that Manning returns to his form? Do you think this team is truly capable of winning a SB in the next 2 years? I don’t think so. I appreciate what Manning has done for this franchise as much as anyone. However, the future of the Colts is the most important thing. If he is willing to take $10M per year, then of course you bring him back.
Ummm..
Manning had lingering issues that entire season? Hence the elbow/tricep sleeve…how can you say he was healthy when he had surgery after the surgery? Did he develop health issues from not playing football? From gaming? From cutting into steaks at Elmos? Making sweet love to his wife to make twins? He was hurt..that’s why he had surgery.
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Manning wasn’t great last year – you’re dead wrong.
No running game.
No offensive line.
A slew of injuries to his weapons (Collie, Clark, Garcon).
A slew of injuries to the entire team.
He may have been playing hurt himself.
And he threw for, what, 4500 yards and 33 TD’s? 11 of his 17 INT’s came in a 3-game stretch…which means he went 13 games throwing just 6 total INT’s.
And don’t forget, heading into the 2010 season, he was coming off a SB appearance and back-to-back MVP’s.
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I beg your pardon???
Manning was healthy last year and had his worst statistical season since his rookie year.
Do explain…
Show me where his 2010 stats are worse than others? Better yards, completions, attempts, similar TD/INTs.
2011 Indianapolis Colts 0 0 — — — — — — — — — 0.0 — — — — — —
2010 Indianapolis Colts 16 16 450 679 66.3 4,700 6.9 33 17 16 91 91.9 18 18 1.0 0 3 1
2009 Indianapolis Colts 16 16 393 571 68.8 4,500 7.9 33 16 10 74 99.9 19 -13 -0.7 0 2 0
2008 Indianapolis Colts 16 16 371 555 66.8 4,002 7.2 27 12 14 86 95.0 20 21 1.1 1 1 0
2007 Indianapolis Colts 16 16 337 515 65.4 4,040 7.8 31 14 21 124 98.0 20 -5 -0.3 3 6 1
2006 Indianapolis Colts 16 16 362 557 65.0 4,397 7.9 31 9 14 86 101.0 23 36 1.6 4 2 1
2005 Indianapolis Colts 16 16 305 453 67.3 3,747 8.3 28 10 17 81 104.1 33 45 1.4 0 5 2
2004 Indianapolis Colts 16 16 336 497 67.6 4,557 9.2 49 10 13 101 121.1 25 38 1.5 0 5 1
2003 Indianapolis Colts 16 16 379 566 67.0 4,267 7.5 29 10 18 107 99.0 28 26 0.9 0 6 1
2002 Indianapolis Colts 16 16 392 591 66.3 4,200 7.1 27 19 23 145 88.8 38 148 3.9 2 6 2
2001 Indianapolis Colts 16 16 343 547 62.7 4,131 7.6 26 23 29 232 84.1 35 157 4.5 4 7 3
2000 Indianapolis Colts 16 16 357 571 62.5 4,413 7.7 33 15 20 131 94.7 37 116 3.1 1 5 2
1999 Indianapolis Colts 16 16 331 533 62.1 4,135 7.8 26 15 14 116 90.7 35 73 2.1 2 6 3
1998 Indianapolis Colts 16 16 326 575 56.7 3,739 6.5 26 28 22 109 71.2 15 62 4.1 0 3 1
by AnotherWriter on Jan 26, 2012 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
I completely agree steveoly32
not fact.
by AnotherWriter on Jan 26, 2012 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
Coltsgm9001
Attention NE fans! I sure hope Brady wins you the Superbowl, because according to some Colts fans Brady will NO longer be any good next year as he turns 36! And had an Injury in the past 5 years. And you shouldn’t pay him because he is to big a risk.Get real! If Manning DOCTORS say he’s heeled and Manning want’s to continue. PAY him and move on! Do I believe they can get to and win a SB in 2 years? With Manning surrounded by talent obtained with the trade? ABSOLUTLY YES! With Luck? NEVER going to happen! More like 5-10!
I see your concern.
Look guys, I agree with ColtsGM9001. You bring up good points. On his stats being the worst since his rookie season, yea, I’d agree with that, but I think that’s partially due to all the injuries. He lost Collie for most of the season, Gonzo was done before the season began, Dallas was lost for a large part of the season, Wayne and Garcon were both playing on a limp, and Manning was throwing to 2 nobodys named Blair White & Jacob Tamme. And Brody Eldridge was a rookie, along with Joe Addai and Mike Hart being injured and Donald Brown still developing. I’m also going with Brad Wells’ report of Manning being injured in the first game against Houston.
So with all that considered, Manning didn’t play all that badly, and I think had great stats for what he was working with.
On the 3 neck surguries, there’s heavy assumption, just like there’s assumption that Andrew Luck will be Andrew Luck and not Ryan Leaf. From what Peyton Manning and Jeff Saturday has said in interviews and what Adam Vinatieri said on ESPN First Take, Peyton Manning will come back 100%. At least, that’s what they see in Manning. Manning has said his neck is recovering well. I’m assuming that Peyton Manning can play at Peyton level for the next 3 years. Then yea, I think if you surround his with a good defence, a good offensive line, and receivers to throw to, yes, Indy can contend for the Super Bowl next year in New Orleans, then in Metlife Stadium.
Even if Manning doesn’t come back at 100%. If he comes back at 80%, I’ll still take him over most QBs. If Manning can perform at the level that Eli Manning or Jay Cutler performed before he went down, I’d be more than satisfied.
I like that you’re taking everything into consideration, but a big part of this offseason is the unknown. No one can predict the future, and hindsight is 20/20.
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He had the most yards of any season in his career.
Comparable TD/INT rate to other seasons and was forced to pass more. What stats are you guys looking at?
by AnotherWriter on Jan 26, 2012 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
More passes = more yards.
679 passing attempts, 88 more than previous most attempts. 7.0 yds/pass, 91.9 QBR. Elite numbers, but it’s not Peyton numbers. It doesn’t matter how you want to argue it, last season wasn’t a good Peyton Manning season. It’s comparable to the 2001 and 2002 season which were also average Colts seasons.
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You can't just make up marks that he has to hit.
Second best completion percentage, second most yards, most attempts. Second most YPG, tied for second in TDs. Those are stats that matter. Especially on a 10-6 team that had health problems.
by AnotherWriter on Jan 26, 2012 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
He also owns the top two QBRs in the past three years,
years, we assume, he was injured. All three years QBR is available, he is in the top 15 total QBRs.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/6834507/nfl-peyton-manning-top-two-qbr-seasons
by AnotherWriter on Jan 26, 2012 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
No one follows ESPN's Total QBR
The QBR I was referring to was the regular QB Rating. The ESPN QBR is heavily flawed. Eli Manning would’ve have a QBR of about 35 against the Packers back in regular season. But ask any football fan, most will say that 2010 was Peyton Manning’s worst season, though it’s not his fault, he had a terrible offensive line and lost many of his targets like Collie and Clark.
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You’re ignoring the other statistics which say he had a better than average season. Argue against more than the QBR. That was supplemental evidence.
by AnotherWriter on Jan 26, 2012 8:58 PM EST up reply actions
Are you people forgetting the 1.5 second drop back time he had? He was getting nailed on three step drops from the right and left, from the inside, the outside. He was getting nailed more than a desperate porn actress. Not to mention his #1 check down option (collie) couldn’t stop his brain from smashing into his own skull. If you get 44 the ball between 6-10 times a game you’re almost promised a win, and where was 44? IR.
Saying that Peyton didn’t put up “Peyton numbers” is the single most asinine thing I have ever read. Put any other QB in his position and they don’t throw more TD’s than INT’s. The only reason Peyton was able to put up those truly INSANE numbers was his INSANE ability to read a defense.
Take that with the fact that he had guys filling in (including UDFA’s) running the wrong routes and ZERO timing with anyone other than Reggie, and don’t tell me that Garcon was as good last year as he was this year, because he wasn’t, he made huge strides from 10 to 11.
What people forget is that the Colts offense this year was MORE talented than last years. When healthy the offensive line was head and shoulders above 2010’s, if you don’t believe me rewatch any game. Donald Brown came on (although I don’t believe he was anywhere near worth a 1st round pick), the difference was 18.
Throw all of that on top of the fact that he was hurt, and you want to say somehow that his STATS fell off?! Sure, just look at pure numbers. That’s brilliant.
You know why Mark McGuire isn’t in the pro baseball hall of fame? Because numbers NEVER tell the whole story.
confused
why you would spend so much time detailing the advantages of something that is obviously not going to happen (and shouldn’t)
he probably thought making the post
would be more valuable than another one of these shitty little comments we love to leave each other.
and its more fun to read this kinda stuff than the “peyton is as good as dead, its time for luck, the polians were pure evil, time to move on and if you think differently you are retarded” type of stuff we usually have around this site
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by muncie_in_this on Jan 26, 2012 3:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Can you prove that it won't happen? Are you the Colts GM?
No, you can’t, and no, you’re not.
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Hang on. I can
The pick is worth 3 first rounders and 2 seconds. That is the current assumption, and the reason I believe the pick should be traded. The Colts wouldn’t want McCoy, and they wouldn’t get RGIII with the 4th pick. Too many teams need a QB, and know the Colts want one. Someone would definitely move into the second or third pick to get RGIII. The only way I see thar scenario working is if the Colts trade one of their second round picks to get back up to the second pick. Then, they have the 2nd, 22nd, a top five second rounder, and the two extra picks next year. That’s one fewer guy coming in this season, but it actually gets the Colts RGIII.
McCoy is signed for cheap, but only for two more seasons. If you are keeping Manning, you wont be able to re-sign him. He would also be the third stringer behind RGIII. There are cheaper ways to do that. The Browns would also likely give up at least one less pick, because he is a starter. If you are planning to get RGIII, there is no reason to bring in an average young QB, too.
by PeytonTheManning on Jan 26, 2012 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
excellent points
MINN has already said they are open to trading the # 3 pick so if the Colts trade out of #1 then that would mean they are not sold on RG3 either.
One thing is for sure we keep seeing SB winner after SB winner and they never have an elite QB that was the man in college. They are all QB’s that worked their butt off and developed. I’m a die hard Colts fan and wouldn’t go crazy if they did not pick Luck since I’ve seen teams win with just a decent QB. I’ll trade that pick tomorrow if it meant I could invest it into even more high pick players.
Wow great, great points.
Well if that can be done, I’d be fine with it too, either way, I’d rather have the Colts with more weapons than just Andrew Luck. Good thinking.
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nice idea, but
this is not gonna work out. there are two projected QB top star in this years draft. cleveland will get one of them either way so they won’t be willing to trade a kings ransom for the luxury of choosing between them. if we take luck, they’ll be fine with RG III and vice versa. rams and vikings both have glaring needs other than QB and they love their spot.
by Martin Steinkogler on Jan 26, 2012 3:54 PM EST reply actions
But other teams will trade up to #2
so if you’re shopping the pick, #1 is the only way to guarantee you get your man.
by AnotherWriter on Jan 26, 2012 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
What if Minnesota takes RG3?
I don’t know how Minnesota can be sold on Christian Ponder after he stunk up the joint. And knowing the Cleveland Browns, they’re desperate for a franchise player and they might just do it.
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Trading the number one pick would make sense if...
If you knew that Manning was going to be healthy. But you don’t know that. Noone does. It’s possible that he might never play again.
by thomasezekiel77 on Jan 26, 2012 5:44 PM EST reply actions
But what if Manning does come back 100%, and Luck busts out?
You gotta think of all scenarios. Akili Smith and Ryan Leaf both looked like franchise QBs.
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I like
The scenario. This is basically want the draft to shape up. And if a team does trade up to the 2nd or 3rd, like someone posted earlier, we could trade them our 4th and our 2nd. Leaving us with RG3 and the 22nd pick in the first.
by BleedingBlueAndWhite on Jan 26, 2012 6:43 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Irsay predictably used the we’re taking a QB with the top pick line to gauge interest for the pic. While I think he would think long and hard if someone offered three #1’s and two #2’s and only moved down a few slots I think they are thinking Luck since not only with the “new era” talk building with a new QB if you go sans Manning you also have the Luck and horseshoe with endless marketing possibilities.
I 1000% agree though that I am not sold on Luck either. With a defensive coach who had to bail out Flacco from himself I think we could get a QB later in the draft, via trade, or FA and with solid defense and still do damage. Offense sells tickets and makes fans feel warm and toasty at night but how many “elite” #1 QB picks have been tearing it up in the playoffs? People are JUST NOW saying Eli but still most still say its his defense.
Those are bandwagoners.
I’ve been on Eli since 2008 after he won the SB and started 10-1 before Plaxico decided to shoot himself. But your point exactly supports mine. The #1 overall pick means nothing but a high prospect. I bet San Diego would take undrafted Tony Romo over Ryan Leaf.
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yep
The Colts just cannot keep doing this anymore (drafting #1 QB’s and investing so much into that one position so fast) and expect to build through FA and trades as well. We need to start digging into FA and think about trades more than we have the last 15 years.
I loved watching Peyton play but with an “elite QB” the Colts won all those regular season games but one SB, and several years we were 1 and done which we could do with a lesser pick who is accurate to be honest.
Reverse Engineering
First of all, I agree that the Colts should seriously consider trading down. I have no idea what they are truly planning to do and neither does anyone that posts on here despite comments like “never gonna happen” or “you’re wasting your time.”
Yes it’s likely they keep the pick but it’s not a lock and no one here knows that for sure.
I like to think of it this way if the Colts had won a couple more games and were a few picks lower would we want them to give up 2-3 1st round picks plus a couple 2nd or 3rd round picks to get Luck? Hell no I wouldn’t that’s way too much. So if some team is completely enamored with Luck and is willing to give some ridiculous package as the one suggested in this post then why not? Especially if they stopped in the top 5 thus setting themselves up for either another QB, or an elite WR, CB, or Tackle. It makes a lot of sense and I think it’s pretty realistic,
good post.
Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?
Thank GOD!
Thank God there is someone out there that thinks the same way I do! Especially if you have 2 #1’s next year! Colts original and #1 from trade. That is your insurance policy! If Manning gets re-injured or just plain isn’t his old self! You can still have leverage to trade up and get Barkley! next year! Who is a solid prospect!
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just because we trade the number 1 pick doesnt mean we would get rg111. because like cleveland would have made the trade with us, one of the many other teams needing a qb could make a trade for the number 2 or number 3 pick, leaving us out in the cold. I think we have to have one of the 2 either luck or rg111. now if we can make a 3 team deal where we end up with the 2nd pick and the 22 pick and only the 2 rounders with mcoy from the proposed trade then great. we get rg111 and still get 2 first rounder and 2 2nd rounders, and we could maybe even add in one of the contracts we are looking to cut this season that someone may be interested in like brackett or lacy or bullit or all of them. also, don’t forget when drafting, that we have a new hc that is a defensive specialist and may be able to do more with the db then caldwell could, plus last years rookies will have more experience than they did. He was also a db himself so he might be able to make something out of 1 or 2 of the players we have already and may not need to draft so defense heavy. yeah we need a nt if he is planning on using the 3 4 and also we already signed another mlb, which all but seals bracketts fate. we have a few players we need to get rid of (i.e. lacy, gonzo) but we also have a few we NEED to resign. mathis garcon and wayne while not a total need, is still a luxury we would like to have if we can afford. And YES, we NEED to pay Peyton IF he is healthy.
Nice thoughts!
But I have 1 big question? Why do we have to take Luck or RG3? There are several VERY GOOD QB prospects in this draft!
very true
not sure why we HAVE TO pick RG3 or Luck when guys like Joe Flacco can make it almost to a SB along with Alex Smith. We can get a accurate serviceable QB later in the draft, FA, or trade. Luck and RG3 are just the “exciting” picks. But the “exciting” still gets trumped, ask 2007 Pats, the old Warner Rams, this years Packers & Saints, etc.
First round picks
but not what anyone would call elite QBs.
Just goes to show, regardless of draft position, you can miss and hit on QBs.
by AnotherWriter on Jan 28, 2012 12:37 AM EST up reply actions
BECAUSE
Luck is a better prospect than all of them.
But!
Is he really worth the chance. When you take into account all you could get for that pick + the Cap implications down the road IF!!! he turns out to be great. Does that outway the chance of finding another player that turns out to be every bit as great in a later round? You are one of the people who think the Manning issue is to big a risk, but yet are willing to bet the future of the team on 1 player again! I have NEVER said Luck is not a great prospect, but I don’t think the risk of 1 player becoming great is better than loading up the TEAM with more chance I would much rather buy 5 chances for a dollar than 1 chance for a dollar!!!
good points young man
we’ve had our “elite” QB and while the regular season wins was nice the one and outs and terrible overall issues that fans complained about time and time again I do NOT want to repeat.
You cannot have an ELITE #1 QB out of college and build your team since (1) most the money goes into that one position since we know Irsay would sign Luck to an longer extension before his rookie contract expires if he performed well but by that time we have other players we need to sign and have to fall into the trap of signing spare parts on defense, OL, and special teams so we’re fun to watch but never get anywhere. (2) Only the “manning’s” have panned out as #1 QB picks since 1990 so chances are slim unless Luck has Manning DNA or Tiger Blood he will be average at best… not even close to Manning.
YES
he is worth the chance. If he turns out to be great the Colts will glad to pay him the rate of a franchise quarterback.
Not all first round draft picks are the same. Some are better prospects than others. Luck is a better prospect than all the others at the most important position, by far. His first 4 years will be at a relative bargain. This is a no brainer. Time to look forward.
SO YOU ARE
sure Manning is healthy and will give the Colt’s 4 or 5 years of solid play? If you are wrong the Colt’s will be in cap hell and might have to spend the next 10-15 years watching Luck play for another team.
Never said I was.
I have never said I was certain of anything. My opinion is that IF HE IS CLEARD TO PLAY AND WANTS TO PLAY FOR THE COLTS then he will be a Colt and they can trade the pick to get some Immediate needed help. These same players will be the basis of there rebuilding over the next couple of years while still being competative NOW! I feel there are a couple of GREAT late round QB prospects that if sat for a couple of years, learning from Manning the game of NFL football. They may turn into Championship TEAM players. NO crystall ball, just MY hopes! If Manning cannot be cleared to play and HE retires! Then you have to move on a different direction. BUT that decision CANNOT be made until anyone knows FOR SURE Mannings health! That is why I will wait to decide His/Colts fate until March 8th!
only 2 #1 QB picks since 1990 have won the Super Bowl
But during that time we’ve heard the hype machine before. Make Ryan and Irsay earn their money and lets build a team with letting go of Manning, get EXTRA star players with all those traded picks, FA’s, UFA’s, and additional trades!
trading the pick is stupid
bringing colt mccoy to the team is stupid
just thought i would clarify that

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