Jim Irsay And Peyton Manning Issue Joint Statement, Stop Acting Like Idiots
by Brad Wells on Jan 27, 2012 3:12 PM EST
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PrintIn case you've been recovering from too many Whip-Its the last few two days, Peyton Manning and Jim Irsay have kind of been acting like idiots, using the Indianapolis Star's Bob Kravitz as a carrier pigeon to toss public pot shots at one another. Today, both men did what they should have done in the first place: Talked face-to-face and then issued a joint statement through the team's website.
JOINT STATEMENT FROM PEYTON MANNING AND JIM IRSAY*We would like to dispel any misperception that there might be any hard feelings between us.
Since 1998, we have enjoyed a great relationship, based upon mutual respect and trust. We have always been able to talk and address matters we’ve faced over the years, not just as owner and player, but as friends. We had a long talk today and we want to assure Colts fans everywhere that we are both committed to maintaining our close relationship and to working together through any challenges the future may bring.
Just an observation guys: If you have a relationship based on mutual respect and trust, you don't need to communicate to each other through Bob friggin Kravitz. Glad you've talked the issues out, but come on. If I wanted this kind of drama, I'd start rooting for the Jets.
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I love how...
Their comments about the future are getting more and more vague.
Months ago Irsay was saying he’d do whatever it takes to keep Manning; that he’ll be a Colt for life, etc. etc.
Now we are hearing that both sides will work together through their challenges to remain a close relationship…
Hmmmm
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Jim Irsay is as big an idiot as his father. It looks like the tyrant is coming out
I hate the Colt’s ownership and always will, but this is a all new low. hey are bringing in an almost entire new staff and they are alienating one person that can help maintain stability.
by runew on Jan 27, 2012 8:18 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Right on brother!
Who wants a terrible owner that hires a hall of fame GM and uses the entire salary cap while paying to keep his best players while being personally accessible on TV radio twitter and even raffled SB rings to fans and put a competitive team on the field almost very year since taking over and had generally built a brand around smart players who are not getting arrested for drugs and women beating and has hired solid coaches as opposed to the cheapest option and has the audacity to draft a potenial replacement for 18 so that the franchise can be good for an additional 10-15 years and put a competitive product on the field and maybe compete for superbowls while building a team on defense and physical agressive play because that has never worked in the NFL all doing this in one of the NFL’s smallest markets that isn’t an elite destination for free agents…
What a bum!
How bout we keep Peyton Manning and he can hike the ball to himself and pass to himself like bugs bunny
by (206)NightRidah on Jan 27, 2012 8:41 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Hey pos night ridah
Maybe if you lived here in Indy and had to deal with Irsays’ nonsense, his corrupt crony captialism where he sticks middle class taxpayers and the city with almsot 90% of the cots of Lucas Oil!
Also the the fact all you Kool-Aid drinkers are forgetting HOW BAD at building a good team he was b4 Polian took over!
This site is officially disgusting I cant beleive how many “fans” are cheerign for Peyton Manning to leave, your living in a fantsya world where Peyton leaves and we still kepp winning 12 games a year, it WONT happen WITTHOUT him
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by dezznutz1001 on Jan 28, 2012 11:13 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Actually Irsay didn’t stick us Indy taxpayers with the cost of Lucas Oil. The city did. It was also was a package deal to include the expansion of the cities conventions center. The Colts put forth 100million for it’s construction and signed a lease through 2034. The team and it’s employees will pay almost 1 billion dollars in taxes throughout the lease.
by Booyah!Blue on Jan 28, 2012 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
Man...F*ck your taxpayers and stadium
Its a 1% tax on food. Meaning if you go out to one of the many great steakhouses in Indy and spend 100 dollars you spend a whopping 1 dollar! At Applebee’s you spend a huge 15 cents!
Real cities pay that. You ain’t the only ones. There are cities that would love a franchise. Whenever people pull out that card it makes Indau sound like a second rate city especially when you are hosting the fcking Super Bowl along with final fours Big Ten championships and other events
by (206)NightRidah on Jan 28, 2012 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
Also
Irsay took over in 95 after pops got sick. They were pretty good in the Harbaugh years if I remember.
by (206)NightRidah on Jan 28, 2012 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
They has one 9-7 year with an upset run in the playoffs so you are not remembering correctly or weren’t around
by udllama on Jan 28, 2012 5:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The Colts under Harbaugh
Went to the playoffs in 95 and 96. They bottomed out in 97 and Manning came in 98.
Therefore Irsay made the playoffs and was 2-2 two of his first three years sans Manning….
Don’t let your myopia get in the way of facts…
by (206)NightRidah on Jan 28, 2012 6:06 PM EST up reply actions
You can only kill atroll if one is trolling.
I said I hate the ownership not necessarily the team. I have a great respect for Manning and quite a few of the Colts players. Jim Irsay runs his mouth then gets pissed at Manning for giving his side. You can call me a troll if you like but I sound more like fan your so callled troll killer or you. My comment was not to take glory in your troubles or gloat. I was expressing an opinion in line with the comment I was answering. So if I’m troll kiss my a@#
You must be Jim Irsay writing incognito or you are as big if not a bigger idiot.
This year proved that he really was not putting a quality product on the field. Peyton Manning is that whole team. The Colts have been contenders every year since Peyton’s second or third year the first year he misses you go 2-14 and the two wins were gifts. Without Peyton on the field you all do not have team. Andrew Luck is going to be good for you all eventually but I am not sure he is going to make your more mediocre talent look good like Manning did. Oh wow he raffled SB rings were the raffle tickets free if so great, but Irsays do not do shit that does not line their pockets. You will miss Peyton because he has been the one coaching your team since dungy left. Good Luck you are going to need it!!!!!!!!!!
I'm sorry, but I simply cannot agree
I mean, I wasn’t really around when the Colts were owned by Irsay, Sr., but nothing that Jim has done has really been tyrannical or even unfair, to be honest.
You can have your “new era” or your “stability,” having both is always going to be nearly impossible. In a perfect world, maybe, but this one definitely isn’t perfect.
I am a college student that sleeps with a St. Louis Cardinals Fredbird Pillow Pet, and I am proud of it.
I agree you can not have both but you can make it a smoother transition is what I think.
Shooting your mouth to your budddies about the best QB you have had since Johnny U. Then tell your new head coach he is not as important then putting said QB in his place publicly that is a bit of the tyrant. I actually agree that a shake up was needed in the organization but even in shaking things up you need some continuity. The Colts had one losing season not three or four there was not culture of losing to get rid of to go with a complete break. Irsay might have done better to see if he could renegotiate the 28 million instead alienating or seeming to alienate Manning. Also I was justbeginning to think he might better than his old man then he starts this circus.
Glad that's over with
Both of them were acting stupid and know better.
Not really sure how Manning was acting stupid I mean if Irsay isn’t being direct with him what exactly is he supposed to say. I mean you have Rob Lowe tweeting about his career ending etc. If he stayed silent there would still be speculation.
I agree I rather they not deal with this in the media but privately but until Irsay shuts down his Twitter account and Manning isn’t the face of the NFL I wouldn’t expect that to happen either.
by CF4L on Jan 27, 2012 3:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I’m so excited about all these changes!
Remember when irsay said "big changes in the next 18 months" !!
Do you think he knew all thse would happen?
by Nojan on Jan 27, 2012 3:24 PM EST via mobile reply actions
yes. he knew we weren't trying to win until week 14
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by muncie_in_this on Jan 28, 2012 11:31 AM EST via Android app up reply actions 1 recs
It was pretty obvious wasnt it?
I was onhere and 18to88, screaing for Orlovsky nearly ALL season long.
Nate at 18to88 actually said there was no difference in the 2 Qb’s, lmfao, and on here everyone was like, he played on the 0-16 Lions (like that explains why his talent level would be lower than Painters!)
The difference was I had seen Orlovsky play in Detroit, and he wasnt the reason they went 0-16! Dan is no NFL starting QB but he couls at least play, unlike painter!
Sheesh it was obvious ater the Jax at home loss, that Painter was absolutely worthless
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by dezznutz1001 on Jan 28, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
He probably thought Manning would retire
Not that his constant twitter rumblings would eventually spiral this story out of control and lead Manning to play for another team and kick the Colts ass every time he plays them over the next 4-5 years.
Hopefully Luck will be what everyone thinks he will be.
I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.
It comes down to Peyton's health
If Peyton’s nerve does not regenerate by the time the $28 M bonus is due then nothing else matters. If that’s the case and there is a pretty good chance it will be, then Peyton’s days as a Colt are over. I hope he retires if that is the case.
On the flip side, if there is positive news on his neck before the big date in March, then I would say there is better than a 50/50 chance he plays another two to three years with the Colts and retires as a Colt. As poorly as this team played without him, they immediately become a playoff contender with him back under center. Andrew Luck will be great but he too has to understand that the chance to have Peyton as a mentor could significantly boost his career—even if he has to sit for three years like Aaron Rodgers did with Favre.
Yeah we’re not getting the best of both its either Luck or Manning. You can’t have 2 QBs and no roster if you want to compete. Manning will want Rings and Luck will want to play. Which is it?
agreed
this is going to be a financial decision. There is pretty much no way that Peyton can take the field and us be able to field a competitive team.
This is directly the fault of Bill Polian and years of cap mismanagement. Giving out bad contract after bad contract has truly decimated this team’s ability to sign quality depth. The team that finishes first… always has great depth.
Realize this, we are around $11 million in cap space next year. This is with several players that we love and value about to become free agents. Pierre Garcon will want at least $6 million a year. Each of our depth veterans will get at least a $1 million a year (veteran minimum). The main cap space we can free up is by cutting Dwight Freeney (ugh) or not paying Peyton Manning. Thats it. Cutting anybody else is minimal in 2012 savings and others are determental (i.e. cutting Jerry Hughes costs us more cap this year than his salary is)
by coltsfanbeforemanning on Jan 27, 2012 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
of course he could.
However, I think he won’t do it for cheap. Also, he’s 32 years old. Giving him a three year deal puts us in a similar bad situation in 2014. His cap hit is $19 million. If we cut him, he counts $5 mil against the cap. That’s a $14 million savings.
If we renegotiate, i’m thinking he will want at minimum around $12 million a year. Pass rushers are not cheap. That means he will probably count at least $10 million against the cap this year and in 2014 we’ll be in a scenario where he will be $20 million against the cap.
I think it will be tough to keep him. Especially if the rest of the team is blown up.
by coltsfanbeforemanning on Jan 27, 2012 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
I think it's up to him...
Obviously they can’t keep him at 19mil. Where will he fit in the new scheme? I don’t see him as a stand up rusher and he isn’t large enough to be a 3-4 end. Perhaps he goes and Mathis stays. Although I would think a defensive coach would want him to stay and use him Mathis and Hughes to put constant pressure on the QB.
Freeney is aging and may benefit from playing less snaps. Also The Pagano scheme is a hybrid and uses 4 linemen frequently. I’m pretty sure a Pagano can benefit from having a HOF pass rusher. But for 14 mil the Colts can get an elite CB and SS and some OL depth via FA which is more valuable than a 32 year old DE that may not fit into a 3-4 base…
by (206)NightRidah on Jan 27, 2012 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
We CAN keep the 2 together for 2 years before it affects the cap
and our ability to re-sign players and sign ’needs"
Yes, Hughes is going nowhere becuz cutting him next year would cost the Colts $800K, it wouldnt save them any $
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by dezznutz1001 on Jan 28, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
I like your take.
Although I think Irsay will give it a little longer than March to evaluate whether or not you keep Manning. If he’s showing forward progress, I can’t see how you let him go. What I can see, however, are the fans burning down Lucas Oil Stadium if Irsay let’s Peyton walk and #18 ends up in another jersey next year. Especially if he goes to a team that plays in Indy next year.
We can all hope Luck is great, but until we know for sure you have to keep Manning. Only one way you can let Manning go: retirement.
by NFLFan83 on Jan 27, 2012 3:45 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Who would trade?
12-15 likely years of stable QB play for a couple of 9-7 seasons with a bloated cap?
Bottom line, The cant keep Manning at that amount and field a SB contending team. 3 years later the same fans will be complaining that Grigson failed to field a team around the aging superstar…
If Peyton is healthy and will redo a cap friendly deal it is best for all parties. Peyton stays, fans are happy, Irsay is applauded, team has best opportunity to compete and sign other upgrades, Luck gets mentored…
Otherwise it isn’t worth it to ruin your cap when there are so many talent poor positions to be filled on the roster….
If this team was a SB contender I’d say keep Manning go for a SB and risk being bad for 7 years because a SB trumps a decade of suck! But Manning at best gets this team to 10-6 and will also begin a physical regression injury excluded based on age. At 36, 37, 38 the body just doesn’t recover like it used to even for an elite athlete with great medical training and exercise regimen
by (206)NightRidah on Jan 27, 2012 4:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
One game like the Texans game a couple of years ago...
with the beating he took, and it’s probably over.
Exactly!
Exactly! Do you think JJ Watt and Mario Williams won’t obliterate Manning and keep his mouthpiece as a souvenir!
None of us want to see Manning go! We just realize the Blue Horseshoe is more important. So let’s get a reduced deal done. Manning will have to spilt reps and of he is healthy the extra money can put needed pieces around him for one maybe two more deep playoff runs. Luck sits and learns…if Manning gets hurt and hangs it up. Colts have minimalized the cap hit and have an elite prospect…
by (206)NightRidah on Jan 27, 2012 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
That would be ideal.
Both Manning and Luck compromise. Manning has to compromise on money (which he has plenty of) and reps….maybe even some playing time when big leads have been attained. Luck has to compromise on the idea that he needs to play immediately, even though Newton and others have. He needs to understand that mentoring from Manning will ultimately make him even better, once he does start playing. And, my feeling is that Luck’s playing time would probably come sooner than later.
Agreed. This is ideal.
But I think is is improbable.
by Wippersnapper on Jan 27, 2012 9:38 PM EST up reply actions
Why improbable?
If Manning wants to stay why not take less money to protect the franchise he built from nothing. Manning is a gazzilionare!
by (206)NightRidah on Jan 28, 2012 1:06 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
It's not impossible that Manning would re-work his deal prior to the bonus deadline,
but I think it seems more likely that he will be cut. If he is cut, he could re-sign with the Colts. But, as a free-agent, Manning would have to ask himself whether he stands the best chance of winning with the Colts (probably not). I think he would also be reluctant to sign with the Colts if Luck is on board. He’s friends with Luck and thinks Luck deserves a shot right away. This is all outside of whether Manning, hyper-competitive as he is, could swallow sharing first-team reps with Luck, let alone give up a little bit of actual playing time for Luck’s benefit.
Again, I hope the situation unfolds like this, and it isn’t impossible, but the chips are stacked against it. The stars would have to line up just right.
by Wippersnapper on Jan 28, 2012 8:56 AM EST up reply actions
WTF
When with Manining UNDER Center, have we ever been 9-7?
You havw no facts or reason to back up why we would be 9-7? None.
in fact, with the new Defensive scheme, I can only assume we would be better, as we would not have to count on Manning to outscore the other team, which he has been able to do with great regularity. Pagan Defensive schemes will help us when we MAKE the play-offs.
If Peyton is healthy and Irsay cuts him and he goes to anothre team, you will see a backlash from this city that Irsay’s “silver spooned” ass wont be able to recover from…hes already disliked by half the city by threatenting to leave if we didnt build him a new stadium, then stick middle class taxpayers with 90% of the constructuion costs…the only reason that stadium was built was because of Manning, and NOT Irsay dumb ass
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by dezznutz1001 on Jan 28, 2012 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
9-7
I don’t understand how the Colts are going to all of a sudden be 9-7, 8-8 etc with Manning when history since 2001 has shown that Manning gives them 10-12 wins per year at minimum? This team had a 25th ranked D last year, which is better than the Pats, Giants and Packers. With Manning, and a healthy Collie, they would have been better than the 2010 team that won 10 games. If the 2010 team had a healthy Collie, they would have won 11-12 games and been a serious contender in the playoffs. I know I just speculated that, but for anyone to speculate that the team is now dogshit and Manning makes little difference hasn’t been watching the past 10 years worth of games.
I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.
Who would trade for Manning?
A lot of teams would line up for a healthy Manning. By the way, his current deal is as cap friendly as it’s going to get. Keeping Manning doesn’t automatically keep the Colts from fielding a Super Bowl contending team. You’re guessing.
Even if...
Peyton is not healthy come bonus deadline, I’m not ready to say categorically that his days as a Colt are over. He would certainly be cut, and then it would be up to him where he played. But he would continue his rehab, if he were back at or near 100% by the end of the summer, he might be willing to re-up with the Colts for a shorter, cap-friendlier deal.
Granted, this is a very unlikely scenario. But I haven’t given up hope. I would rather watch Manning next year than Luck. Just my opinion.
by Wippersnapper on Jan 27, 2012 4:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And you will watch Manning next season
Unfortunately he just won’t be on the Colts. He will be on any other team which will now become a SB contender while the Colts now have all eggs in the Luck basket.
Let’s just hope Luck is even close to as good as many Colts fans project him to be.
I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.
Well...
As i stated before this is all media driven…They took the interview and ran with it. There were no issues with what Peyton initially stated, but his words were twisted and hitched on to personal opinions, ahem Kravitz, about what the colts should do and the story turned into B.S. ANyways I’m glad they decided to man up squash this Kravitz soap opera. On to the Senior Bowl coverage…
"Think wrongly if you please, but in all cases think for yourself" - Doris Lessing
by JohnHandburgers on Jan 27, 2012 3:38 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
WHAT!!!!
The media twisting words to create more drama than actually exists!!! I refuse to believe it. That would never happen. At least that never happens here though? snicker.
I agree Kravitz made it all a bigger deal than most. I’m sure things aren’t great as so many changes are happening but it’s not like anyone threw anyone else under the bus as Kravitz and some here seem to feel.
Not a big deal, glad they were smart enough to call the media out on their bullcrap
Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?
Winner, winner...
Chicken Dinner.
No wonder Polian treated the local media the way he did. With him gone (which he needed to be), we’re starting to see the local media become even bigger drama queens – with Kravitz at the top of the list. Guess Polian did have one thing right.
by Yougotme on Jan 27, 2012 4:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Chiefs fan here, watching all this with "detached interest" ... I think the world of Manning, one of THE best ever and for the sake of his health I think (and hope) he retires
a lot of my brethren at Arrowhead Pride would love to have him at the helm, even if only for a few years, but my fear has been expressed here as well as at AP: one wrong hit and he may not walk again, and NOBODY wants to see that, not even diehard Chiefs fans who grumble at Manning’s name from all the losses we’ve endured at his hands
looks (to me) like “the writing is on the wall” … Irsay wants Luck (and rightfully so) and I can’t imagine Peyton wants to play “mentor” to his successor
at the same time, not many teams that I imagine he’d even want to go to at this point in his career
sad to see the “Peyton Place” drama unfolding this past week … and so it goes
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Catastrophic re-injury of the neck is not a concern...
Many players have had this procedure. The fused vertebra is stable and stronger than before. Of course, Manning’s age raises injury concerns generally, but, provided his nerves regenerate and he regains arm-strength, the neck issues are not a concern.
I’m worried that you’re right about the “writing on the wall.” Hopefully, Peyton can swallow his pride and rework his deal for the sake of the franchise. I’m certain he wants to finish here (if he’s able to finish). I’m still hoping to see him with his hands all over Saturday’s a$$ next fall.
by Wippersnapper on Jan 27, 2012 9:24 PM EST up reply actions
You are ignorant to his situation
The threat of “one wrong hit and never walking again” or anything similar to that is no more present in Manning’s situation than any other football player. His health issue is of nerve regeneration and arm strength, nothing more. The neck fusion achieved firm fixation, which means that the construction of his neck is as solid as any other person’s. The reason why he is considered to be not healthy is because the nerves have not completely regenerated, and thus his arm strength is not where it used to be. Since nerve regeneration is such a slow and inexact process, it is extremely difficult to project his arm strength to next month, or next year for that matter.
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by AceOfSpades on Jan 28, 2012 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
Guys
If Manning is so frail and feeble that one sack by Mario Williams or JJ Watt will fuck him up for life, then hell retire. If Manning is healthy enough to return, its not like 1 hit is going to kill him. Obviously any career can be ended on 1 tackle. Is Manning’s risk slightly higher? Yea ok ill give you that. If hes out there though, hes not going to be so feeble that he cant even take a sack though, some of you guys exaggerate things way too much.
by BiggRedd on Jan 27, 2012 7:02 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
His neck is FINE
its nerve damage, hes not one hit away from endign his life or loseing his motor skills, C’mon!
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by dezznutz1001 on Jan 28, 2012 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
Whats sad is
that this article seems to be more about BBS’s childish spat with Kravitz than it is about Peyton and Irsay. Maybe Brad’s jealous that he didn’t get the Peyton interview, who knows.
by Logdog2804 on Jan 27, 2012 7:25 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
+1
I’m getting to the point that I just skip Brad’s articles and read the Fanposts and other contributors. That guy has WAY too many axes grinding.
by Wippersnapper on Jan 27, 2012 9:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
+2
and I’m not fan of Kravitz either
TTYL,
Big Blue Dawg
by BigBlueDawg on Jan 28, 2012 9:24 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Me either.
I really don’t like much of what Kravitz does. I just want some unbiased info from some grown-ups every once in awhile
Hey... I am a Dolphins fan...
We would love to have Manning come to Miami… I don’t think he is done yet.. Up until last season he has started every game for you guys, and I have no reason to think that he will not come back from a neck injury. I guess I am struggling to figure out why people think this is the end of him being any good. I understand your team’s position of having the opportunity to draft a guy like Manning and have him for another 10+ years, but I am wondering how you guys feel about dumping Manning? Given the fact that you guys went 2-14 last year, and you already have a franchise QB under contract, why wouldn’t you want to surround him with some talent by trading that #1 pick to some team for a ridiculous price and letting your franchise QB finish his career in Indy?
What do you guys want to see happen? How do you think this injury will affect him, and do you believe that he will never be the same? If so what makes you think that?
I can still remember back in 1998 when the Dolphins played the Colts twice. I got to see our franchise QB near the end, along with a young and upcoming franchise QB. I never imagined that QB would ever even be given the opportunity to play anywhere else. I definitely did not forsee that he would be our next franchise QB, although I see awesome things for him even back then, and wished we had been able to pick him up…
I know everyone says one hit could be the end of his career…. I also know that he has averaged being sacked about 17.77 sacks per season over his entire career. Meanwhile our QBs have combined for 52 this past year alone. I know some of it is on the offensive line, but I also know that a good bit of that he understood the situation, while our QBs didn’t have a clue… He put the offensive line in the right protection, while they didn’t kow what was going on, didn’t have any idea where to go with the ball and took a sack rather than get rid of the ball.
We had [Brady] down… but we didn’t kick him. We helped him up and gave him a PowerPuff Girls band-aid for his knee. What exactly did you expect would happen when we did that?
I'm a reformed Dolphins fan...
Well, I grew up rooting for them and idolizing Marino. But I fell for the Colts when I lived in Indy years ago, and will always be a Colts fan now, even though I’ve moved away.
I am wondering how you guys feel about dumping Manning?
I feel rotten about it. The guy has done so much for the Colts and for Indy… I get the financial/business aspect of this, but I remain (with many others) loyal to Manning. And I agree with you, if he gets back to playing shape, he’s got several years of elite play left. I’ve been advocating for trading that #1 pick from the get-go, but I admit that if Manning can’t demonstrate that he’s at or close to 100% when his bonus comes due, Irsay has to cut him and draft Luck. That would still leave an outside chance that Manning would re-sign with the Colts, but that’s very improbable.
My hopes may be clouding my judgment, but I got a feeling that #18 is not done. He will be back with a vengeance. I just hope, if he’s not a Colt, we don’t have to face him.
by Wippersnapper on Jan 27, 2012 9:35 PM EST up reply actions
Well... I would be willing to take either that #1 overall pick or Manning ....
If it was me I would give you whatever you wanted for the #1 pick if available. If not, I would love to scoop up Manning when you guys cut him to save $28mil…. Either way, I am excited for us…
We had [Brady] down… but we didn’t kick him. We helped him up and gave him a PowerPuff Girls band-aid for his knee. What exactly did you expect would happen when we did that?
by Jason Scott_90 on Jan 27, 2012 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
few things could actually overshadow the superbowl in Indy and demoralize local fans
an unresolved spat between Irsay and 18 would do just that
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seems like its Brad thats taking
the idiotic shots at Manning and Irsay
what Polians gone now so youre trying to turn Manning into the bad guy?
Manning has every right to be pissed he’s trying to rehab and they are kicking everyone around him out.
Sure those people needed to go but if it affects something thats going on like who hes rehabbing with or anything then it might make just a little sense to let him know
by C.Settles on Jan 28, 2012 1:05 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
Brad Wells doesn't want drama?
Lol wut
by TheWeasley on Jan 28, 2012 12:03 PM EST via Android app reply actions
If Peyton is healthy, Irsay should do WHATEVER it takes to keep him a Colt for life.
Growing up just outside of Indy, I embraced the team when they came to town, and I was an avid supporter of the Colts long before Peyton Manning arrived. Having said that, I’m extremely confident that I speak for legions of fans when I say this: If Peyton is healthy enough to play at or close to 100% and Irsay ultimately makes the decision to let him go anyway, I am done with the Colts and Peyton’s new team becomes my new team. I really don’t care about Bob Kravitz, BBS, and all of the other naysayers who continue to insist that Peyton is done in Indy for an endless variety of reasons. As far as I’m concerned, all of that so-called “logic and analysis” is trumped 1,000 times over by the brilliance of Peyton Manning, the best ever to play the game.
Despite all of his accolades, there is absolutely no guarantee that Andrew Luck will be the answer, and even if he is, it’s still not enough to persuade me. Once again, I know I am speaking for MANY of my fellow Colts fans when I say that I would trade 10-12 years of Andrew Luck (no matter what success might be achieved during that span) for 2-3 more years of Peyton. Even if the Colts never win another Super Bowl with Peyton, it would be well worth it just to have the sheer pleasure of watching the master in action again. As fellow Colts fans, you can relate to what I’m saying here. For all that Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, and even Tom Brady (it pains me to include him on this list) have accomplished this year, NONE of them can hold a candle to the legend that is #18.
When the Colts offense was in high gear (which was the vast majority of the time with Peyton under center), it was an amazing thing to behold. In all my years of following sports I have never seen anything that even remotely compares to it. Watching Peyton orchestrate each play from start-to-finish and execute with such flawless precision was truly a beautiful thing, an emotional experience that I can never fully describe but that all of you, as true believers, understand perfectly. To me, that is what always decided the bogus Manning vs. Brady argument: Brady could win a 100 titles but NEVER compare to Peyton in terms of his mastery of the true essence of the game. Witnessing Peyton play the position of QB is the equivalent of watching Michaelangelo paint or Beethoven compose music—an almost supernatural excellence that defies all description.
And that is precisely why Irsay must keep Peyton Manning in blue and white, no matter what that may require. I am not so naive as to think that Peyton does not have his own personal agenda, and I fully realize that his recent comments to Kravitz and past remarks expressed through Archie may have been designed to force Irsay’s hand. If that is indeed the case, my advice to Mr. Irsay is this: Let your hand be forced! Any money that you pay Peyton from here on out (including the $28M roster bonus) is a mere pittance compared to the value that he has added to the franchise and the money that he has added to your personal bank account. Pay the man and be glad for the opportunity, because he IS the Indianapolis Colts as far as most of us are concerned!!!
If Peyton doesn’t want the Colts to draft Luck, then he shouldn’t be drafted. If Peyton wants the Colts to trade the #1 pick and load up on talent to help him finish his career strong, then the pick should be traded. If Peyton wants the Colts to target certain players in the draft or in free agency, then they should be targeted. If Peyton wants to retain certain long-time players such as Saturday and Wayne, then they should be retained. Bottom line Mr. Irsay, you are well advised to let it all ride on #18, because he was, is, and always will be the truth and nothing but the truth!!!
In closing, I fully realize that if (God forbid) Peyton is not healthy enough to resume his playing career, then all of this is a moot point. But, if Peyton looks Irsay in the eye and tells him that he is healthy and wants to remain a Colt, Irsay should make it happen REGARDLESS of whatever conditions may be attached or implications (salary cap or otherwise) this may have. If Irsay fails to make this decision, which is the only just decision given all that I have just laid out regarding the greatness of #18, then in my eyes he will have committed an unpardonable offense. I realize this argument is not based on rationale, but there are some things in this life that take precedence over rationale.
Mr. Irsay, give Peyton the ball and let him play in a Colts uniform once again. I know that deep down in your heart, you want to see the horseshoe restored to glory not through a long and uncertain rebuilding process, but instead through the magnificence that is Peyton Manning. That is what we are all thirsting for, and you are the only one with the power to make it happen.
Well said.
But, more than just paying him comes into play here. We also need to get Luck and some other talent to make a final run for Peyton possible. Manning may need to compromise a bit too. But, yes, he needs to stay in Indy. Period.
Agree with you Ayrshire
I am warm to the idea of keeping Manning and drafting Luck as well. The salary cap implications are not nearly as complex as they would have been 2-3 years ago and there are only a few key positions on the team that need to be upgraded (S, DT, CB) to make this team a Super Bowl contender just as it has been the past 8 years.
At the same time, Manning needs to understand that the end is approaching for him. Even if he was 100% healthy this past season, he only has a handful of years left and given his medical situation he would be well served to restructure his deal if at all possible to allow the team to keep key players, draft key players and get any impactful FAs to help make the next 3 or so years worth it. If he is stubborn or unwilling to accept his situation as a whole, then the team needs to be able to move on and look forward to Luck and what he hopefully brings to the table.
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by AceOfSpades on Jan 28, 2012 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
I tried not to read too much into what was being said
I felt like there was a lot of speculating from people that had an agenda from the very get go. It’s great for the local and national media for Peyton and Irsay having a fight and for rumors to be swirling that PM is leaving so it stands to reason they would take that angle.
To me it went more like this:
Peyton provides commentary on his role in what’s going on. He expresses feelings of sadness which is real. He feels kept out of the loop which a lot of times happens with new GMs until trust can be built. It’s tough having a new sheriff in town that doesn’t appear to value you as much as the previous man in charge.
Jim Irsay takes this as a slight against not only himself, but also Ryan Grigson. He feels like Peyton is trying to take back some power from Grigson. He gets frustrated that Peyton didn’t just come to him if he was frustrated.
Peyton responds to Irsay’s comments because he didn’t mean the comments to be a slight and was instead just lamenting how his injury had caused such a mess. He understands how it could be seen as disrespect.
They get together and hash things out. They probably both said sorry to each other and issued a joint statement to try and reset things to how they were a week ago.
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I'm sure some team has snagged Caldwell too,
we just haven’t heard about it yet.
I was joking.
I can’t believe there would be a team, other than the Colts, that could possibly be that clueless.
Yeah, seems hard to believe,
but I’m not sure he was a bad QB coach. Then again, did Peyton really need a QB coach?
....and Caldwell? Like he could teach Manning something.
Manning’s got more football knowledge in his hang nail than Caldwell does in his whole body.
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