Peyton Manning's Reaction to Polian Firing and His Future as a Colt
by nopuntintended on Jan 3, 2012 1:04 PM EST
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PrintHappy New Year. Here's to an excellent year for everyone, the Colts included.
It's been a whirlwind of news, speculation and rumors surrounding the Colts the last 24 hours. For the most part, the firing of Bill and Chris Polian was readily welcomed, perhaps even with cheers or a sigh of relief. One person who didn't take the announcement quite as well, was Peyton Manning.
Manning's reaction to news of Bill Polian's firing was rather honest and rather revealing.
Speaking to ESPN's Chris Mortensen Peyton Manning said,
"I was stunned, I was surprised, I was saddened and just disappointed that it all happened this way..."Bill and I and Chris Polian has been here the whole time, too, had a great ride with tremendous highs and it makes me very sad that this ends on such a negative note. "I knew when the Colts hired Bill with his track record in Buffalo and Carolina, that I would be very happy to be a part of an organization he ran. And that proved to be true. I knew he would hire the best coaches, provide the best possible surroundings, give me great teammates and he did that and I will be forever indebted to him."
Manning's statement shows that while many were probably on board with the Polian firing, he was not. Manning is a creature of habit, undoubtedly loyal and does not appreciate turmoil and turnover (The ironic thing is that many of Peyton's favorite long time coaches - Tom Moore, Gene Huey and Howard Mudd - were forced out by Chris Polian).
With a new GM still to be named and Jim Caldwell's fate still undetermined, these are uncertain times in Indiana. The move to get rid of the Polians suggests that there may be some indecision when it comes to the future of the quarterback position as well.
With no reason to doubt Jim Irsay, one would be hard pressed not to take the Colts owner at his word that should Manning be healthy come March, he will be an Indianapolis Colt.
That being said, with a new GM and a possible new head coach and the first pick in the draft secured, it's equally difficult to see the Colts willing to pass on Andrew Luck.
Can the two star quarterbacks co-exist? Probably. Is it best for the team? Maybe not.
The argument for keeping Manning and essentially trading the rights to Andrew Luck is that a Colts team with Peyton Manning will win 10+ games and challenge for the Super Bowl. The Colts would likely be gearing up for the Bengals this year with #18 behind center so the addition of two first round picks and another high second round draft choice would mean the Colts would once again have the talent to be considered elite.
The argument for taking Luck is that he is the quarterback of the future, the next cornerstone of the franchise and will guarantee the Colts will be at least somewhat relevant for the next decade.
Keeping Manning and drafting Luck falls somewhere between win now and prepare for the future. If the Colts draft Luck, they can't bolster there talent as much to help Manning but are still playing for the present. The Colts will likely make the playoffs but would still be a player or two short defensively (depending on who they resign) from being able to really contend. A few years down the road Luck would eventually take the reigns but would be left with a roster without such stalwarts as Wayne, Addai, Clark (assuming they are brought back at Peyton's request to begin with).
Obviously, if you are Peyton Manning, you want as many good players surrounding you as possible and passing on multiple draft picks by taking Luck doesn't help you accomplish such a goal.
Therefore was Manning speaking as a friend when asked about Polian? Was he being his typical loyal self? Or was there more? Was it a warning to Irsay to voice his displeasure and to perhaps even leave Caldwell alone and keep him on as head coach and to let Irsay know that Manning is still the sherif in town?
Clearly Manning is displeased. Then again, after this season, we all are. Whatever the case maybe, Jim Irsay and the new Colts front office will be faced with monumentally difficult decisions this offseason that could shape the face of the Colts franchise and determine if the Colts rebound and maintain their tradition of winning.
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Im just saying
But it makes perfect sense to trade the pick. The Colts can get SOOO many picks in return and this team needs more than a change at QB.
IF Peyton is healthy then this team will easily be back in competition next year and if he isn’t, then this team can select Matt Barkely next season who is very close to being as good as Andrew Luck is.
All im saying is that considering how much the Colts could get for a pick then trading it makes perfect sense.
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by Detroitnr1 on Jan 3, 2012 1:13 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Especially with a team like the Browns
Get both their 2 first rounders (#4 and a mid to low 20), a 2012 2nd rounder, and a 2013 1st and 2nd rounder. That’s a lot of holes filled in a very short amount of time. Peyton has 4 years left at a minimum if he comes back healthy. Could be 4 Super Bowls with the right picks and coaching.
"It's about the journey--mine and yours--and the lives we can touch, the legacy we can leave, and the world we can change for the better."
— Tony Dungy
no one will give 3 firsts and 2 seconds. Too high a price.
Being in politics is like being a football coach. You have to be smart enough to understand the game and dumb enough to think it's important. -- Eugene J. McCarthy
never say no one....
some teams are always desperate… I mean dallas got 3 ones and 3 twos plus players and NO traded their draft plus another 1 and 3.
there’s that draft value chart all teams use and you can see online where with a normal pick you could ask for two 1sts depending on how far you fall back and on “franchise QB” picks as reported by ESPN and profootballtalk.com it could very well fetch the above haul…. but it doesn’t matter what people like us think since pro luck fans will get their wish and the colts more than likely draft him.
by Straight Out The Burbs on Jan 4, 2012 6:55 PM EST up reply actions
How the hell are we going to draft Matt Barkley next season?
Are we going 2-14 again next year? Is whoever that gets the #1 pick going to just give it to us if we ask nicely?
When you have the chance to draft a franchise QB. You do it.
Ask Buffalo, Miami, Denver, San Fran, and Dallas how good life is when you don’t prepare for the exit of your franchise QB.
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico lose a ball in the Sun? "
by aaronb on Jan 3, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If the Colts can really get.
Three or four first round picks and one or two second round picks that seals the deal for me. Even if Manning doesn’t come back I think we try to sign Flynn.
by VERNON HOWELL on Jan 3, 2012 1:53 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Flynn..
Has played well more than once. Last year when Rodgers was out Flynn filled in nicely.
by VERNON HOWELL on Jan 3, 2012 2:18 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
two games against two tough teams
flynn was asked to win both games luck is asked to manage with an imposing OL, run game, AA type talent at TE, and good players on d.
by Straight Out The Burbs on Jan 3, 2012 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
Why would Flynn want to remain a back up?
How does he do it?
i agree you wouldn't as a back-up
i was mentioning that in a scenario where manning is not coming back and colts explored all their options. this is obviously not going to happen, just food for thought since well… its fun.
by Straight Out The Burbs on Jan 3, 2012 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
My bad, I assumed you meant we were keeping Peyton.
It is definitely fun.
How does he do it?
you make it sound like ...
Luck is a small cog on an all Madden team. And Flynn is the unlikely hero that led an outmatched Green Bay team to the promised land.
Yes Luck does benefit from having a solid run blocking offensive line, but his options at receiver were very underwhelming.
by mlc2656 on Jan 3, 2012 11:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
what... flynn isn't rudy from ND?
no the “unlikely hero” story would be tebow which i’m just as tired of hearing about. it doesn’t matter what I opinion, you’ll get your wish since i think irsay and the gm select luck.
by Straight Out The Burbs on Jan 4, 2012 7:00 PM EST up reply actions
No way we sign Flynn
His contract is going to be huge, he is gonna be a FA, but the the pack can franchise him and trade him..no way..we have the 1st pick in the draft and Luck staring at us.
COnsidering the trade with Clevland..
there is still likely to be an opportunity to pick up anther franchise QB in RGIII
by BleedingBlueAndWhite on Jan 3, 2012 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
i would like to see
that trade and the horse get rg3 and allow him to learn
IF RG111
checks out I bet he goes #2 after Luck. St. Louis could easily trade out to Miami, Washington or Cleveland. If the Colts trade back farther than #2 I bet they don’t get him.
When the evaluation process is complete you’ll see that the Luck pick is really the only sure way to get a young potential franchise quarterback.
you get it using the pick you receive from the Browns or whoever trades up to get Luck. not with the Colts pick.
TN Sports fan in Hoosier Country....
So the Browns with Andrew Luck are going to be 2-14 and get the #1 pick?
Seems like wishful thinking.
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico lose a ball in the Sun? "
Actually yeah
How was PM his 1st year in the league? What was his record? What about Elway?
"It's about the journey--mine and yours--and the lives we can touch, the legacy we can leave, and the world we can change for the better."
— Tony Dungy
Are you willing to wager the future of the franchise on it?
I’m having a hard time understanding where your loyalty is. Are you a Peyton Manning fan first and foremost. Or do you plan on rooting for the Colts post Manning?
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico lose a ball in the Sun? "
You wager both ways
If Luck turns out to be a Colt McCoy type player than you blew the draft and could have totally reformed your team around 3 first round picks and 2 second rounders.
If you miss the greateset QB ever, you still have probably drafted a pretty good QB a little further down and have surrounded him with more 1st round talent.
I root for the Colts post Manning and I think this proves it. I am more about the team than one draft pick that hasn’t played an NFL snap.
"It's about the journey--mine and yours--and the lives we can touch, the legacy we can leave, and the world we can change for the better."
— Tony Dungy
Are we not allowed to bring guys in without using the draft?
What about using the 45 Million in cap space from Peyton and Freeney leaving to plug some holes? We can use that cap space along with the money from Mathis, Wayne, Bullitt, Bracket and maybe Addai and Clark to get for instance:
Dwayne Bowe
Pierre Garcon
Aaron Curry
Manny Lawson
Aubrayo Franklin
Tyvon Branch
Jermichael Finley
Amobi Okoye
All in one offseason. I’d venture that haul of talent will be much superior than the extra 2 or 3 draft picks we would get this offseason for Luck.
Not to mention we can still likely use the rest of our draft to get a
Chase Minnefield, Brandon Boykins, Cody Fleener, Tony Dye type of haul in rounds 2-5.
More than one way to build a roster.
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico lose a ball in the Sun? "
IF MANNING
gets cut he’ll count $16 million against next years cap. Next year is going to be a difficult rebuilding year. It makes a lot os sense to start over with Luck and not resign Saturday, Wayne, Mathis. Probably makes sense to cut Brackett and Clark as well. The cap situation in 2013 will be a lot better.
I thought the structure of his deal
Gave us a penalty free opt out after 2011? I think that 16 milllion cap acceleration is only in effect if we keep him into 2012.
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico lose a ball in the Sun? "
Must be mutual between Manning and the Colts
The Colts can’t just cut him. He has to sign and walk away as well.
"It's about the journey--mine and yours--and the lives we can touch, the legacy we can leave, and the world we can change for the better."
— Tony Dungy
It's a team option
And it’s due March 8th. The Colts can choose to not pick up that option. The odds are that Irsay is going to base it upon what Manning has to say. He doesn’t have to, though.
by PeytonTheManning on Jan 3, 2012 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
IT IS EXTREMELY
unlikely that the Colts pick up that option.
Way off
The odds are much better that they either pick up the option or renegotiate the deal. If they don’t pick up the option, he will still count 16 million against the 2012 cap. Pretty tough to swallow two years of cap hits over 15 million without him taking a snap. If he’s healthy, as reports are saying he should be, they will pick up the option.
by PeytonTheManning on Jan 3, 2012 6:36 PM EST up reply actions
IF THEY
pick up the option and he gets hurt or they want to trade him the cap hit something like $31 million. Colts can’t take the risk especially when they will have a rookie QB that will count about $5 million against the cap.
The only way he stays is if he renegotites the bonus. He’ll never get that $28 million.
If he gets hurt?
One the infusion takes place, his neck is fine. Specialists say that he will be fine, and he will be able to retire when he wants. He has no greater risk of getting hurt than anyone else. Now, you look at the fact that he didn’t miss a game in 13 seasons. Worrying about an injury is pretty irrational for somebody who had to have a pinched nerve and dead arm to miss a game.
It’s much more likely that Luck comes in with the Colts below average line, and spends half the season on his back. I’ll take 13 years of durability over 0. If you want to base your decision on the possibility of an injury, then you should want to trade the pick to spread the risk and money over multiple players.
by PeytonTheManning on Jan 4, 2012 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
you didn't know luck has tiger blood DNA he can't be hurt.
by Straight Out The Burbs on Jan 4, 2012 7:03 PM EST up reply actions
Crap
I forgot. Sorry. Sorry everybody!
by PeytonTheManning on Jan 4, 2012 7:31 PM EST up reply actions
Also
Where was everybody when the contract was signed? I don’t recall anybody bring upset about this contract when it was signed less than a year ago. Everybody thought he was worth the money then. He has one injury filled season, like pretty much every QB in history, and he’s no longer worth the money? Why does everyone have such a short memory?
This is the greatest QB ever. If he’s healthy enough to play, he will move right back to the top 4 with Brady, Rodgers, and Brees. As he declines with age,
he will still be a top 5 QB in a passing league.
They should be pretty sure if he will be able to play by March. He gets two months with Colts trainers before then. If he had played this season, nobody would be questioning the $28 million.
Also, Kelvin Hayden had the same surgery.
by PeytonTheManning on Jan 4, 2012 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
I fervently believe in building through the draft and getting your middle from FA
A lot of players on that list are RFAs (especially the best of them). It’s hard to get great players through FA without overpaying for them because if they’re worth it, their previous team will re-sign them. The marquee free agents generally underwhelm for their contracts and a lot of the time never match their greatness with their prior team.
"It's about the journey--mine and yours--and the lives we can touch, the legacy we can leave, and the world we can change for the better."
— Tony Dungy
I agree for the most part
I like the model that the Patriots have used in free agency. They never spent huge money on any 1 free agent. They took low risk flyers on older vets and mid level free agents to plug holes and add depth.
I actually liked that we took some flyers on guys this past offseason. Unfortunately it was too little too late.
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico lose a ball in the Sun? "
I completely agree
You said what I was trying to say much better than I said it.
"It's about the journey--mine and yours--and the lives we can touch, the legacy we can leave, and the world we can change for the better."
— Tony Dungy
Great Point.....
…and to be honest all 5 teams that you listed here is point on and none of the 5 have done anything since the “franchise” QB retired from each team. Multiple starters on each of these teams since and all but Dallas still searching for the next “franchise” QB and honestly Dallas should still be looking.
You have to draft Luck and you have to prepare for the future. I like Peyton as much as the next guy and what he did for this franchise is unbelievable but the fact is Irsay must react with his brain and not his heart.
I don't think Painter was that bad
I think the ofense was too tough for him at this stge in his career and if Peyton still can’t go next season, I still think they are better off trying to get extra picks for the #1.
Maybe trade with the Browns for the 5th pick and their 2nd round pick
Any task BIG or small, Do it well or not at all
by Rickfansince76 on Jan 4, 2012 6:10 AM EST up reply actions
What? Painter was f*cking terrible
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by dezznutz1001 on Jan 4, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
No you take Luck with the first pick
I love Manning too and wish he could play forever, but he can’t and you cannot pass up the projected best QB to come out in years, who even is like Manning. We will not be in a position to draft Barkely like we are this year. Manning himself does not even know if he will be back, teams like Denver, Miami, and yes Dallas still have not replaced their retired legends
You gotta take Luck
by armycolts25 on Jan 3, 2012 1:28 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
technically they could
if the colts believed in manning and trading down for what ESPN just reported the current market for Luck is 3 #1 draft picks, 2 #2 picks, and either thrown in players or lower round picks they would have the ammo if they wanted to wait for Barkley next year. However I do agree that any team next year who has no QB would not trade it next year if they have the chance.
by Straight Out The Burbs on Jan 3, 2012 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
AGREED
Irsay will pick Luck because he lived through the Elway debacle. That decision set the Colt’s franchise back 15 years.
You cannot pass up a chance at a young franchise QB.
by javen on Jan 3, 2012 2:43 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
so javen...
what do YOU think are qualities and skills that ONLY Luck brings to the Colts? Just curious why fans say franchise QB when Luck, by his own admission, has said with his OL, run game, and TE he really is more of a game manager… something that you could get later in the draft and want your QB to take control of games and not need other things to make him good.
by Straight Out The Burbs on Jan 3, 2012 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
I'VE SEEN LUCK
play about 6 times in the past year. To me, and I’m not an expert, he is way more than a game manager. The only issue with Luck is his arm strength, always an overrated aspect, but it seems good enough. He has good size and is a terrific athlete that will be able to make plays with his legs. Most importantly he is really, really accurate, the most important aspect of quarterback play. Additionally, he is very bright and has been around the game for a long time as his dad played in the NFL. A lot like Manning. Clearly a high character guy.
His offense weapons at Stanford, with the exception of their big tight end, was pretty average as he lost his best receiver earlier in the season.
Crosscheck my impressions with the Kipers of the world and you will see a guy with the potential to be a franchise quarterback. Although there are no guarantees with college quarterbacks the 2 biggest predictors of pro success are games started and completion percentage. Luck does really well in these areas. He is the PERFECT transition QB for the Colts.
so...
what if I told you that RG3 had better QBR, completion percentage, and lower INT’s? :)
He does seem bright and I 100% agree arm strength is overrated however Stanford is a RUN ORIENTED TEAM, if you have an ELITE QB you run your offense through him not through your run game and THEN go to your ELITE QB. I always thought elite QB’s made other players better, not the QB is ELITE when he has the weapons.
by Straight Out The Burbs on Jan 3, 2012 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
I would say Luck runs a pro style, and Griffin runs a spread, the stats don't compare.
It’s like a QB in today’s NFL vs one from 20 years ago. The numbers don’t translate.
How does he do it?
doesn't translate?
that’s the entire basis for the take Luck argument. its always been his intelligence, his completion percentage, and his QBR. (as well as a couple of fans who toss in the mechanics bit just for fun). Luck operates in a form of the west coast offense so his completion numbers should be high since his bread and butter is his TE’s and backs and short throws to set-up the run.
However in the case of RG3 where HE was the focal point and most responsible for their season he only had better stats against some high end teams but all fans say is when it comes to RG3 stats don’t matter but when it applies to Luck then they 100% matter. You have to be consistent. Either way Luck will be good however just like I think RG3 will be.
by Straight Out The Burbs on Jan 3, 2012 4:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
RG111
is a very good prospect and in many ways a better version than Mike Vick. Luck however runs a prostyle offense and doesn’t play only in the shot gun. He is much bigger (RG111 may only be 6’1") and doesn’t have an injury history( RG111 had a torn acl)
Again RG111 will probably be the second pick overall. But I worry about running QBs taking all those hits. Much prefer the bigger guy with pro style experience that will make plays in the pocket.
Robert Griffin 111?
Is he the one-hundred eleventh in a long line of Robert Griffins?
by AnotherWriter on Jan 3, 2012 6:49 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
LOL
111? Those Griffin women still must be walking funny.
by Straight Out The Burbs on Jan 4, 2012 7:05 PM EST up reply actions
You do realize that Robert Griffin had over 75% of his passes travel less than 7 yds. Not to mention his plays are signaled in and his O coordinator reads the Defenses for him. He also makes nearly all his reads on one half of the field with at most two options, then run. Stanford’s lacks receivers so they go with their strengths, their two great linemen and power backs, along with TEs. Baylor runs a spread to use their great athletes in space. He takes no snaps under center, he calls no protections, no audibles in the huddle. Most all of this is standard procedure in the NFL. I don’t doubt RG IIIs talent, but he’s not nearly as prepared and will need a lot of work regardless of his athletic gifts. Luck is basically running the 49ers pro offense in college. I think they both could be good pros but Luck is by far the safer pick with still great upside.
by hitmaneraser21 on Jan 4, 2012 12:14 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Javen
Mel Kiper is an idiot. it would behoove you to NEVER quote him again
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by dezznutz1001 on Jan 4, 2012 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
Wasn't it being reported here.
That Manning and Polian had a falling out? It doesn’t sound like Manning is very happy with this move.
If Manning is healthy trade the pick resign Saturday, Wayne and Mathis and give it one last hoorah. If the Colts can really get 3 first rounders IMO there is no choice. If we can get a first round pick in the top 5 we might still have a shot at RGIII.
by VERNON HOWELL on Jan 3, 2012 1:30 PM EST via Android app reply actions 1 recs
I was going to post the same thing
It was reported here that there is friction between Manning and the Polians. I think it’s the case where you just throw everything against the wall and see what sticks.
by buymymonkey on Jan 3, 2012 1:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
more aptly
The friction seemed to be between Manning and Chris Polian.
Seemed to get along fine with Bill.
Bad news was that it was going to be Chris in sole command in a couple years.
I thinks Luck proved he isn't the right player for the Colts last night
Didn’t last night’s Cardinals look exactly like what we’ve come to expect from the Colts in the playoffs? The OK St team looked like most of the NFL contenders. They are built around quick strikes and explosiveness. Andrew Luck takes what defenses give him, but doesn’t beat the defenses. He didn’t look incredible, he looked great. He looked worthy of a 1st overall pick, but didn’t blow anyone away. If you can trade the pick and get a windfall of 1st round talent over the next 2 years, I think you have to trade.
"It's about the journey--mine and yours--and the lives we can touch, the legacy we can leave, and the world we can change for the better."
— Tony Dungy
by Mark Olson on Jan 3, 2012 1:33 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
In addition Wheaton looked like the QB of a successful NFL team
He is the product of a system. He’s good, but his system makes him great. Coaching and coordinators are as essential as the player in the leauge. Brees, Brady, and Rodgers get a lot of their greatness from Belichek, Payton, and McCarthy. Without those coaches, do these guys ever become great?
"It's about the journey--mine and yours--and the lives we can touch, the legacy we can leave, and the world we can change for the better."
— Tony Dungy
Thats BS
You can’t compare a college game plan to what he will do with the Colts. Also he drove the team down there to win, its not his fault the kicker missed (like we have not seen that here) Really thats your augument is he lossed last night and he didn’t look incredible Really..Luck will be just fine on this team and will go thru his growing pains just like EVERY other QB drafted. He looked like a first pick in the draft..so why would you not take him, with a 36 year old QB who just had 3 neck surgeries and has not played in over a year ?
You're leaving out that:
The neck surgery, if it works, should bring Peyton back to pre-2007 form. His regression in 08-10 supposedly had a lot to do with this nerve issue. Luck will be good, but if you get the 3 first rounders and 2 second rounders, you have to take them.
"It's about the journey--mine and yours--and the lives we can touch, the legacy we can leave, and the world we can change for the better."
— Tony Dungy
Did the neck surgeries come with a DeLorean with a flux capacitor?
That will magically make Peyton not 36 and allow him to play forever?
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico lose a ball in the Sun? "
by aaronb on Jan 3, 2012 3:09 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
No, but his regression wasn't due to age
In 2007 it is noted and can be seen in film that Peyton lost a lot of his zip on the ball. It was attributed to a pinched nerve in his neck that limited the ability to deliver neurons to the tricep and other muscles of the arm. Brett Favre threw into his 40s with power that was still dislocating the fingers of some of the best WR in the game. The expectation of this surgery is to return his strength to the level he was at before the issue arose in 2006 and 2007.
"It's about the journey--mine and yours--and the lives we can touch, the legacy we can leave, and the world we can change for the better."
— Tony Dungy
MANNING
is probably done with the Colts. If he isn’t healthy, a distinct possibility, he’ll retire. If he’s not sure as of March 8 the Colts will never pay him the $28 million bonus. To big a risk for a guy who could get injured again or may not be the same QB as in the past. Other teams are going to be very reluctant to pay him because of his health. What he could do is renegotiate his bonus to a much lower level and play a year with Luck as the back up. If he plays well and proves he’s healthy he could then be traded by the Colts for a few decent picks and Manning could get one last decent contract.
Look I love Manning. I’ve been a Colts fan since the 60s but I have news for everyone here. Manning’s days with the Colts are numbered.
by javen on Jan 3, 2012 3:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No you don't
But this is all pointless..the experts agree this is the guy to take, and you don’t morgage your future on a chance that a guy reaching the end of his career can come back to give you a couple of years and then you are in the same boat, going thru this again. What makes you think Manning has changed, that all of a sudden he’s going to let the back up learn and take snaps during practice, it’s well documented he wants all snaps during practice first and second team, he is not going to let the young guy play, so again we are back to either do it now or in a few years, the difference is we have a great candidate sitting there for us to take.
The experts said Reggie Bush was the guy to take...
and the experts are ESPN analysts. If they were true experts and good enough at their job to make these decisions, they would have a job in the NFL, not the media. Look at Mel Kiper and Todd McShay’s success rate when picking the draft. It’s not even 50%.
"It's about the journey--mine and yours--and the lives we can touch, the legacy we can leave, and the world we can change for the better."
— Tony Dungy
by Mark Olson on Jan 3, 2012 3:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
LOL very true
we got ex football players as “experts” THAT always makes me laugh. Mel Kiper has been soooo wrong on MANY or MANY picks. If we ended up taking who fans or media wanted we have Ricky Williams, not Dallas Clark, Freeney, Wayne, or if some are 100% honest even Peyton Manning.
And don’t get me started on the NBA with Reggie Miller and people going gaga over Alford! lol
by Straight Out The Burbs on Jan 3, 2012 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
Ricky Williams is still an NFL running back
If Polian was such a genius he could have gotten the same haul for Ricky that the Redskins got.
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico lose a ball in the Sun? "
still a RB the same as ocho cinco is a WR which is not saying much...
i don’t see many fans who hate we got edge instead of other picks. edge was the one reason we were known as the triplets. without edge we are the 2010 colts for most of the 2000’s.
by Straight Out The Burbs on Jan 3, 2012 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
I liked Edge
Im just saying that passing on Ricky to get him wasn’t a genius move. It was a pick um as both guys had excellent NFL careers.
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico lose a ball in the Sun? "
Ricky Williams couldnt stay out of trouble
During the Cotlsdraft analysis that year they discovered he had major character “issues”. Im not saying has a bad person cuz he smoked a little pot, but because smoking pot gets you in hella trouble with the NFL.
How is this even a debate, Edge WAS the right choice
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by dezznutz1001 on Jan 4, 2012 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
Those guys have had a remarkably similar career.
Williams is still active and currently has 10099 career yards on 4.1 YPC
Edge is retired and ended up with 12246 on 4.0 YPC.
I loved Edge and am fine with the fact that we chose him. But lets not pretend that Ricky Williams hasn’t been just as good of a player.
FWIW:
I’ve got it on concrete authority that Edgerrin wasn’t above partaking in some elicit substances either. He was just a little less defiant about it in public.
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico lose a ball in the Sun? "
I DON'T
think Williams was as good a player as James. While Williams is a fine runner James was just as good and a much better blocker and receiver. James got most of his yards as a lead back. Williams hasn’t been a lead back for a long time.
Also. James never quit on his team the way Williams did in Miami. James was the better player and the Colts were fortunate to have him.
Williams didn't quit
He got suspended for a year for failing a 2nd drug test for marijuana.
He admitted that the retirement thing was to try and save face. Similar to Mark Gasinaeau in the middle of the 89 season.
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico lose a ball in the Sun? "
YOu ARE CORRECT
my bad. Doesn’t really help his case though as compared to James.
I'm a huge fan of what Edge did here
I just think the guys have been more similar than most people want to admit.
Edge did last an extra year here. And we did cut bait at exactly the right time on him. So that is a huge upside.
Both guys were excellent pro backs though. Both guys are honestly both top 15 all time backs. Especially if you take away the time that Williams was in the CBA and on Weed Exile (which was ridiculous and not even illegal in 18 states)
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico lose a ball in the Sun? "
What about the new GM?
As a new GM, don’t you think he’s going to want to reshape the roster how he wants it? The quickest way to do that is to trade the pick and end up with an extra draft worth of picks over the next two years. Get a guy like Reggie McKenzie in Green Bay who has a good draft history with QBs, and he would be confident in his ability to find someone later in the draft.
by PeytonTheManning on Jan 3, 2012 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
would you bother giys like Painter snaps either?
maybe if someone worthy was back there that could play and you know was a close family friend of Manning like Luck is they would get snaps too
i 100% agree
did Luck play a good game last night, yes. did he play good this season, yes. however as a sure fire 100% #1 pick sorry but I think Colts fans will be disappointed if we select him and see we could have got a same type of player who can manage a game later in the draft and took a higher elite player. He completes a high percentage because he throws 5 – 7 yard slants and curls and his one long TD was on blown coverage.
When I saw Peyton play at Tennessee you could just see something different about him. Luck just manages the game, that’s all his offense asks of him. No one says Luck has to beat everyone since Manning just could not beat Florida however Luck hasn’t shown his ability to beat top teams either. His run game and line yes but Luck, he does what a QB with the talent around him should do… manages the game. We can get that player later.
by Straight Out The Burbs on Jan 3, 2012 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
Luck had at least 2 first round draft picks on his line too
He had arguably the best line in FBS this year.
"It's about the journey--mine and yours--and the lives we can touch, the legacy we can leave, and the world we can change for the better."
— Tony Dungy
exactly!
like i said and say it again… luck is a GOOD QB but with two AA on the OL and one of the best in college, a AA type of talent in the backfield and at TE, and a coach in Harbaugh that took A Smith and turned him into a decent game manager I have my reservations since he SHOULD have put up good numbers with those tools.
When Wisconsin has the best OL their backs come out and people think the RB’s were responsible then they get to the pros and……………. Sam Bradford had an amazing OL, TE, RB, and even a decent defense and it was said he had manning type of intangibles and mental makeup and………
I just hope all the fans who want luck are happy because I think we’re getting a QB talent we could get later and missing out on more elite game changing talent.
by Straight Out The Burbs on Jan 3, 2012 2:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm with you
"It's about the journey--mine and yours--and the lives we can touch, the legacy we can leave, and the world we can change for the better."
— Tony Dungy
I hear ya on that argument
Cuz if Peyton is healthy, the we arre wastign a pick when it could bring us in some serious players in cludign much needed CB depth, a possible WR to replace Wayne,(Did you se Blackomon while watching Luck y"all? or Alshon Jeffrey or Floyd from ND) maybe a DE or…we have so many needs, I like David Molk to replace Saturday @ Center. We can prolly get Molk early in the 2nd, etc
Go Blue!
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by dezznutz1001 on Jan 4, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
Luck had no deep threat
Luck had to throw short passes because Stanford had no one to go deep. His only legitimate deep threat, Chris Owusu, was injured early in the season. If Luck would have had someone close to Justin Blackmon’s talent Stanford’s passing attack would have been much, much effective.
by SouthDakotaColt on Jan 3, 2012 6:01 PM EST up reply actions
Don't dismiss Owusu
That guy had 4.3 speed. Don’t forget Ty Montgomery either, he had that initial touchdown yesterday and had no problem blazing by defenders. Plus, just because we didn’t see a part of his game doesn’t dismiss the argument. Can he be considered the perfect prospect if we don’t know every part of his game?
"It's about the journey--mine and yours--and the lives we can touch, the legacy we can leave, and the world we can change for the better."
— Tony Dungy
Owusu
I’m not dismissing Owusu, but he played in only two games in November and then didn’t play again. If you read my post I said he was a legitimate deep threat but not against Oklahoma St. because he wasn’t on the field. Thus, Luck was limited to primarily throwing passes to tight ends and backs. And then he loses Fleener late in the game. I’m no talent scout but those who are seem to be very impressed with Luck.
by SouthDakotaColt on Jan 4, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
Really? Again? You know on the second to the last drive where the Cards chopped up OSU for a touch-down with a no huddle Luck wasn’t managing the game. He was calling the shots on the field. They almost passed exclusively too. How many times has Peyton worked Clark for 7 yard gains to win? Countless. He moved the damn chains and got a touchdown calling the plays and being smart and efficient. It’s easy to look awesome throwing up one huge play to Blackmon. I’m shocked that you people actually exist. I thought Millen was full of crap about people being bored or unimpressed with Luck’s efficiency and completions. Here you are though. The guy works with what he’s got. Good tight ends. He may not be the next Greatest of all Time but he’s probably smarter than Peyton even if he lacks the intangible talent. He’s worth the gamble.
by southerncolt2 on Jan 3, 2012 3:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
calm down southern colt its just a fun debate... breathe...........
ok now… the whole smarter than Peyton bit really tore down your argument defense a bit, which was decent up to that point. I see what your saying though but you pointed to one drive, I’ve seen him in person and on TV for the last 3 years. :) I’m also not mel kiper (thank god) but it doesn’t take a millen reference to see that while good he doesn’t seem great. Stanford is a RUN ORIENTED TEAM, if you have an ELITE QB you run your offense through him not through your run game FIRST and THEN go to your ELITE QB. At #1 I don’t want good I want elite and I think while good he isn’t soo heads and shoulders better than all the other talent coming out. But I think you will get your wish and the Colts take him and then Luck fans better not jump off the bandwagon even after you realize you could have got your cake and eat it too. :)
by Straight Out The Burbs on Jan 3, 2012 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
I'd argue that he may be Elite, but I'm taking the 5 draft picks
"It's about the journey--mine and yours--and the lives we can touch, the legacy we can leave, and the world we can change for the better."
— Tony Dungy
In what way did it tear down my argument? Watch their mannerisms. Listen to them talk. Luck maintains an extremely high GPA at one of the most prestigious educational institutions in the world in a non-trivial major. Peyton was a Volunteer. I went to a state school. I’m not totally knocking it. There’s no comparison. If you want to debate the applicability of intelligence and to what degree it effects QB success that’s fine. I certainly think Peyton’s intelligence is overblown obviously and he’s an all-time great. However I don’t think that means my statement was false or somehow removes credibility from everything else I said. There’s a lot of indication that Luck is the smartest QB available. I think that indicates an ability to learn and grow and makes him worth taking. Also, having your cake and eating it too? All you and Olsen are doing is speculating about what the Browns or one or two other teams will give for him in terms of first round picks. There’s no real reason to get excited.
by southerncolt2 on Jan 3, 2012 5:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
How great was Luck in the OT?
The second to last drive is rarely the one that matters. It’s the final drive and whether you can convert to win the game. If you want to talk about that, he failed miserably on that last drive of the game. Ask Stanford fans today whether they would rather have had the final drive of regulation be the meticulous one that got them to the 18 or one more like the 22yd TD pass to Quinn Sharp?
"It's about the journey--mine and yours--and the lives we can touch, the legacy we can leave, and the world we can change for the better."
— Tony Dungy
Once again your analysis lacks context. You discuss OT without referring to the substance of what happened. Two runs, one for a loss, and a false start on the line to put them in a terrible position. Luck completed the one pass he threw to the only open player. You say he was terrible. It’s blatantly false. Actually what you’ve proved is that the Cardinals failed by taking the ball out of Lucks hands when he was on fire. Those stupid Wildcat plays disrupted tempo. The end of regulation was so overly-conservative it was worthy of Caldwell. Luck looked like a franchise QB last night all the way.
by southerncolt2 on Jan 3, 2012 5:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If he's the best QB available in the last 20 years
he should have been able to convert 3rd and long against a college defense. He didn’t even try to throw for the first down.
"It's about the journey--mine and yours--and the lives we can touch, the legacy we can leave, and the world we can change for the better."
— Tony Dungy
Yeah and Peyton should have won multiple SuperBowls. If he was what we all thought he was he would have completed that pass to Reggie instead of throwing the pick. It’s a terrible argument. One play in one game he should have made… I can’t believe you’re pandering this as a rebuttal. 21 other guys on the field. He can’t stop time and get his man open downfield. Luck did his part.
by southerncolt2 on Jan 3, 2012 7:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Peyton didn't throw to a check down on 3rd and long
Reggie gave up on a route and Peyton relied to much on an old go to route when it was too obvious. The guy didn’t do much to impress and I’ve watched multiple games this season. I just don’t get it. He’s good and worthy of #1 overall, but if a team is willing to give up more than 2 first round picks, the Colts should take it.
"It's about the journey--mine and yours--and the lives we can touch, the legacy we can leave, and the world we can change for the better."
— Tony Dungy
EXACTLY...
Reggie sat down on the route and effectively pissed away a chance for 18 to win the game in last drive histrionics!
I called 1070 right after the SB and said the same thing and Krauss cut me off and hung up on me. Shame on Reggie and Peyton should have punched him in jaw…
TTYL,
Big Blue Dawg
No, you don't understand...
He actually missed a pass against Arizona! Ari-freakin’-zona! That proves he sucks and has no business in the NFL! I mean, against San Jose St, he only completed 17 passes for 171 yards. This guy has bust written all over him based on that missed throw and game alone.
Solid argument
"It's about the journey--mine and yours--and the lives we can touch, the legacy we can leave, and the world we can change for the better."
— Tony Dungy
by Mark Olson on Jan 3, 2012 11:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
WELL HE DID
have 4 incompletions last night. I think he needs to improve on that.
No kidding
27 for 31 for 347 yard.
Not a skill position guy on that roster who is better than a 3 star recruit.
Worst case is he is a 22 year old Phillip Rivers. No way you can pass on him.
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico lose a ball in the Sun? "
a 22 year old rivers didn't throw (25) 5 yard slants... :)
27-31 is nice but he was dinking and dunking 5 – 6 yard passes. watching the game his receivers had ALOT to do with that taking short passes and turning them longer that padded those stats. His one long throw was a blown coverage and the other was an incredible catch by his receiver. the kid played a good game but not great which sums up his career to me.
by Straight Out The Burbs on Jan 3, 2012 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
ACTUALLY I READ
somewhere that he is, at worst, Matt Ryan. Pretty good, no?
I'd be fine with Ryan too
I remember Matt Ryan having some INT issues at BC though. I think Luck will be a little better than Matt Ryan.
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico lose a ball in the Sun? "
but would you take a Ben Roethlesberger or Josh Freeman and 2 other 1st round picks for Ryan?
"It's about the journey--mine and yours--and the lives we can touch, the legacy we can leave, and the world we can change for the better."
— Tony Dungy
by Mark Olson on Jan 3, 2012 3:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
one was a really bad pick
"It's about the journey--mine and yours--and the lives we can touch, the legacy we can leave, and the world we can change for the better."
— Tony Dungy
Never said that
I’m just saying this guy has a lot of hype around him and if another team will buy into it and overpay, you take it. The guy is legitimately a top 3 selection and probably worth #1 overall. I don’t think he is worth 3 first rounders and 2 second rounders.
"It's about the journey--mine and yours--and the lives we can touch, the legacy we can leave, and the world we can change for the better."
— Tony Dungy
Ignorant garbage. Really bad pick? Like he threw in to triple coverage down the middle? No. It was an accurate throw to the sideline. His receiver let himself get beat on the route. He looked like he would be open when Luck threw it.
by southerncolt2 on Jan 3, 2012 3:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He looked down the receiver and paid no attention to the slot corner
That’s a bad pick. He even missed on the throw. It should have been outside shoulder there and it faded inside.
"It's about the journey--mine and yours--and the lives we can touch, the legacy we can leave, and the world we can change for the better."
— Tony Dungy
Watch the replay a few times. Yeah, Luck stares him down but the corner made a hell of a play. Watch the receiver closely too. He shuffles his feet a little and hesitates on his approach to the sideline. He flails his arms a little bit as the corner goes by him too. There’s no pass interference there but he wanted it. He bitched out on the play and let a much smaller corner push past him and go aerial to grab a ball down his height alone should have allowed him to at least go up for and prevenright pick if he’d run the route harder. I don’t know where you’re seeing it fade inside either. The ball was on its way out of bounds and the corner barely his feet down. It wasn’t the best throw in the world. It wasn’t that bad either.
by southerncolt2 on Jan 3, 2012 5:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Don't you think NFL CBs will be equally if not much more able to make that play?
"It's about the journey--mine and yours--and the lives we can touch, the legacy we can leave, and the world we can change for the better."
— Tony Dungy
I've been wanting Luck for some time but
this makes sense. In fact, if there is a way to trade for multiple picks and somewhere in there take a shot at another QB like Keenum, Kellen Moore or Landry Jones
There's only 1 QB in the draft the Colts should even consider besides Luck.
How does he do it?
I was thinking of myself.
I’m officially declaring on the 15th, and I’ll be better than Manning. HA!
How does he do it?
Luck had 4 incompletions
Give him adequate receivers and he most likely would have lit it up.
i like mark o's style here
all good thoughts so far
i don't give autographs
by muncie_in_this on Jan 3, 2012 1:35 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
wait what?
and will guarantee the Colts will be at least somewhat relevant for the next decade
I didn’t know college QB’s were coming with guarantees now, boy that sure takes the risk out of it doesn’t it?
We need to choose our words carefully surrounding the Luck pick. Assuming he’s an absolutely home run HOFer is foolish. ANY college player (especially QBs) can very easily be a bust, or more likely just average when they step up to the next level.
by Troy Stauffer on Jan 3, 2012 2:02 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
The chances of bust with him are extremely minimal
Especially with the way these guys are scouted now days. Look at the drafts since 2003 and who was the elite QB’s. Look who the top guys were and look at the bust rates.
2003: Carson Palmer was the only elite QB, Very good pro
2004: Eli, Rivers and Roethlisburger were considered elite prospects. All have been excellent pros
2005: Smith and Rodgers were both considerations for the 1st pick. Both have been good pros
2006: Leinart and Young were both high picks. Both guys have been busts
2007: JaMarcus Russell wasn’t even a full time starter until his Senior Season. He was a workout warrior and an Al Davis loves the long ball pick
2008: Matt Ryan was the only elite QB. Excellent Pro
2009: Stafford, Sanchez and Freeman have all had their moments. Too early to tell
The reality is that the Bust rate of the elite QB’s is really fairly low. Especially in an era of extreme scouting scrutiny.
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico lose a ball in the Sun? "
by aaronb on Jan 3, 2012 2:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I STRONGLY AGREE WITH THIS
By the way what is the bust factor of all the lesser guys we pick in a trade for Luck?
The Colts have a unique opportunity to avoid what happened to San Fransisco, Miami and Dallas after their QBs got hurt and retired. These teams weren’t relevant for a long long time because they couldn’t get good quarterback play.
Now, is the QB everything? No, of course not, but try winning without a good one. I
Not to nitpick
But San Francisco went from Montana, to Young, to Garcia…
They had a pretty good string of QB’s for a long time.
So let's go back to 2004
And discount the Rivers/Manning discussion.
In today’s terms…..would you take Eli with the first pick, or trade Eli for Rothelisburger and 3 more First Round picks, 2 Seconds, and an additional player/pick??
lickerdkickr I think mark made a very similar point above
but i agree. it depends on whats more important… having a QB you hope will be elite but has shown just good not elite or getting quality at the QB spot then building around him top talent we would not otherwise have the chance at.
by Straight Out The Burbs on Jan 3, 2012 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
If GRiffin is as good as everyone says he is no one will give up that much.
How does he do it?
true
its fun going back and forth on this but in reality none of us will know for another 3 years. the good thing is I can watch both of them regardless on tv. THIS is why the NFL kills the NBA anyday. Do we really care about ay draft pick in the NBA?
by Straight Out The Burbs on Jan 3, 2012 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
since the merger
50 percent of qb’s taken with thte overall pick have been busts…Mike and Mike did a run down on this a month or two ago..
That is too far to go back
The difference in the level of scouting from 1967 to today is night and day. Also as you know, nof all picks are created equal. Nobody ever claimed to JaMarcus Russell was as good of a prospect as Peyton Manning. He was just the highest rated QB of that particular year.
All the more reason for us to not look a gift horse in the mouth. IMHO
The football gods smiled on us. We need to plan for the future.
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico lose a ball in the Sun? "
Stafford just threw for 5000 yards, how is he to early to tell?
Go Blue!
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by dezznutz1001 on Jan 4, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
Forced out by the polians?
that is a ludicrous statement. Howard Mudd Retired on his own will and only came back to coaching because of his friend Jim Washburn. Moore has never returned to being a coordinator and just wanted to be involved as a consultant. The only one who was really forced out was Huey.
The Pack
We should get our GM from Green Bay and our offensive style from them, too. Luck looks like an Aaron Rodgers clone to me. The way floats away from defenders and makes throws on the run. Manning never did that, and Luck is really good at it. That allows receivers to get open deep.
Completely disagree!!
Luck doesn’t have NEAR the arm strength of Rodgers. No where even remotely close!!
Also, Peyton is probably the best QB in the league at moving in the pocket and feeling pressure. Sure he doesn’t take off and run up field, but you don’t want your QB running up field and taking shots. I would argue that Peyton actually moves better in the pocket than anyone in the NFL.
Totally agree about P's pocket presence tho.
How does he do it?
Andrew Luck reminds me a lot of:
Aarron Rodgers and Alex Smith
Which will he be?
"It's about the journey--mine and yours--and the lives we can touch, the legacy we can leave, and the world we can change for the better."
— Tony Dungy
Best article on the situation
A great piece on SI.com by Jeff Diamond, former Vikes and Titans GM on the Manning-Luck situatio. What I like about it is that is digs into the salary cap implications very well and puts it into a great perspective. His bottom line:
That may well be to keep their four-time NFL MVP for at least one more year under a restructured deal while they groom the successor to the throne in Andrew Luck.
Is anyone else pissed Peyton missed out on the worst passing D ever?
Seriously, 4 of the top 6 yardage seasons happened this year. That’s disgusting, I bet guys like Peyton and Marino are hating it.
How does he do it?
I've been thinking the same thing
With the new rules limiting hits on defenseless receivers, teams pretty much always starting at the 20 with the new kickoff rule, and the lockout limiting offseason work, it seemed to be the perfect storm for passing.
by PeytonTheManning on Jan 3, 2012 6:28 PM EST up reply actions
Could you imagine a prime Marvin against such a soft middle. Wow!!
How does he do it?
Was Manning just playing the good soldier?
I wonder if Manning’s comments about Polian can be interpreted as Peyton just paying his dues but privately confiding that he’s glad the overbearing Polian is gone. I’ve never heard Peyton criticize anyone except Mike Vanderjagt. I don’t think he’d want to be seen as someone kicking Polian when Big Bill has gotten the boot, but I thinking he had tired of Bill’s heavy handedness.
Just my 2 cents.
Where you from in SoDak?
I’m in Sioux Falls
"It's about the journey--mine and yours--and the lives we can touch, the legacy we can leave, and the world we can change for the better."
— Tony Dungy
This morning on ESPN Radio they were speculating
that it was actually POLIAN who wanted to keep PM next year and that IRSAY wants him gone, thus creating the rift which resulted on BP being shown the door. (Just like Jimmy I will refuse to acknowledge that Chris P. even exists.)
New Math: 2011-18 = 2-14
Long time reader first time poster...
This was a great move on Irsay’s part. I am not as anti Polian (Bill) as some of the people on these boards and we can debate the drafts and his demeanor and how they have hurt the team. But there is noooo way he should be able to set up his no talent son to head up the team. I think Irsay would have kept Polian in some capacity but Chris is a nobody!
Irsay fired them for the right reasons and he sent a message that losing isnt acceptable in Indy. I hope they can get Reggie Mckenzie as GM and Mike Zimmer as HC!
by (206)NightRidah on Jan 4, 2012 4:17 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I interpreted his comment completely differently:
The () are what I interpreted Manning as thinking
“I was stunned, I was surprised (Didn’t think Irsay had it in him!), I was saddened and just disappointed that it all happened this way (But not saddened and disappointed it happened, just that it happened this way.)…”Bill and I and Chris Polian has been here the whole time, too, had a great ride with tremendous highs and it makes me very sad that this ends on such a negative note (I wish he hadn’t sucked it up the last couple years, I’d rather it ended with the team still having decent talent). “I knew when the Colts hired Bill with his track record in Buffalo and Carolina, that I would be very happy to be a part of an organization he ran (Insert platitudes to the fired man). And that proved to be true (Until the last couple years, that’s why he got fired). I knew he would hire the best coaches, provide the best possible surroundings, give me great teammates and he did that and I will be forever indebted to him (And the last contract I got without taking a physical).”
I would be happy with trading the first pick
And picking up Russel Wilson later in the draft.
by the_iowa_hawkeye on Jan 4, 2012 12:02 PM EST reply actions
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