Ravens Will Hire Jim Caldwell As Their QB Coach
This past weekend, it was reported that the Steelers were wooing former Colts head coach Jim Caldwell to be their offensive coordinator, a position Caldwell has never held at the collegiate or NFL level. Well, it turns out being a coordinator isn't what Caldwell is interested in doing.
After visiting the Steelers this weekend, former Colts HC Jim Caldwell plans to join Ravens offensive staff, likely as QB coach.
— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) January 30, 2012
Personally, I think this is a good move by Baltimore. Caldwell was a good QB coach from 2002-2008. Peyton Manning had his greatest seasons as a pro under Caldwell's guidance. Ravens quarterback Joe Flacco is very similar to Peyton in terms of physical ability. Caldwell will help him get better.
I'm happy Caldwell was able to get another job in the NFL. Let's just be honest: Many thought he was unqualified for the job he was handed in 2009, and those concerns turned out to be legit. I know several players liked and respected Caldwell, but in the two most critical areas that a head coach must excel in (coaching personnel and game management), Caldwell was lacking.
Also, this is just something I noticed about Caldwell: I don't find him particularly inspiring, nor does he he strike me as someone with integrity.
We can debate whether or not Larry Coyer was a "bad hire" as defensive coordinator in Indianapolis or not. Personally, I don't think he was a good one. Coyer has an excellent reputation, and what he planned to do with Indianapolis' defense wasn't much different than what new head coach Chuck Pagano wants to do. The reason things didn't work out is because Bill and Chris Polian sucked at talent evaluation during Coyer's tenure.
Regardless of how anyone feels about Coyer's ability to coach, the reality is he was Caldwell's hire. Coyer mentored Caldwell as a player and as a coach. The moment Bill and Chris Polian ordered Caldwell to fire Coyer, which everyone thinks happened back in November, a person of integrity would have told the Polians to go screw. It's the head coach who determines who the assistants are, not the friggin personnel department. If Caldwell had real stones, or morals, or whatever other term you want to use to describe integrity, he'd have told the Polians that firing Coyer in that way was wrong.
Tony Dungy, the man who got Caldwell his jobs in Indy, often talks about how he made a mistake back in 90s when he fired his offensive coordinator, Mike Shula, at the request of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers owners, the Glazer Family. Dungy stated that Shula was "his guy," and that if the owners didn't like the people Dungy was bringing in, maybe they needed to consider a change at head coach.
From my vantage, Caldwell fired Coyer, and later special teams coach Ray Rychleski, in an effort to save his own skin in Indianapolis. Rather than stand up for the men he personally hand-picked, Caldwell tossed them into the fire as a sacrifice to save his job.
Obviously, it didn't work.
We saw a similar scenario play out in Indianapolis back in 2001. After years of poor drafting and free agent decisions by the personnel department, Bill Polian scapegoated then-defensive coordinator Vic Fangio for the woeful play of the defense. He ordered then-coach Jim Mora, Sr. to fire Fangio. Mora refused. Polian ended up firing them both, but, at the very least, Mora stood up for his coaches. Caldwell could have taken a lesson from that.
So, again, I think Caldwell will do a fine job in Baltimore as the QB coach, but, for me, I don't particularly view him as any kind moral man that deserves respect. He strikes me as a "yes man" wiling to throw his colleagues under a bus in order to save his hide, which, in the end, didn't get saved. Maybe that critique is unfair, but I'm basing it off the man's actions, and at the end of the day you are defined by what you do, not what you say.
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How bad has our coaching been the past few seasons?
Our old Head Coach is now a QB’s coach.
Our old Defensive Coordinator is without a job.
Our old Offensive Coordinator is now a WR coach.
Why did it take so long to figure out that they all sucked in their old positions??
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hahahaha
made me lol.
Its the truth though.
by coltsfanbeforemanning on Jan 30, 2012 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
1st of Larry Coyer
built one of the best defenses in the NFL with the Bucs. He didn’t do well here because the Cols don’t have the personal to play his style of defense. Caldwell was a hot commodity around the league because he is a good QB coach. You guys are riding Mannings nuts so hard you can’t see the forest for the trees. Manning is the QB he is because of Arians and Caldwell. That’s the reason none of you are NFL coaches and he just got hired again to be one. I think I trust the evaluation abilities of people who actually get paid for what they do vs critics like you kmbryant09. As usual you don’t what you’re talking about.
What are you even talking about?
First off, wasn’t Kiffen the real brains behind the defense in Tampa Bay?
And my point was – we had a QB’s coach running our entire football team, a WR coach running our entire offense, and a defensive coordinator who hasn’t even surfaced for any defensive positions, assistants included.
Did Caldwell attribute to Manning’s success as a QB? I’m sure he did. But outside of Tom Moore, I think Peyton has earned the credit, not his coaches/assistants.
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Consider Caldwell's success with helping along Curtis Painter.
And dammit Painter is frickin’ awesome.
by SoCalHoosier on Jan 30, 2012 7:40 PM EST up reply actions
so true
without ol radio peyton would be just another qb….
by BLOODontheTRACKS on Jan 30, 2012 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
^^^ So combative, this one is.
I think I liked you more when you said you wouldn’t post here any longer.
And the phrase is “can’t see the forest from the trees,” just fyi for the next time you need help sticking your foot in your mouth.
I am a veteran of the Internet - I will suffer fools gladly. And then mock them. And then post cat pictures.
by BoilerUp1982 on Jan 30, 2012 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
I think I liked you better before you
came out of your dirty laundry basket. FYI If I want to comment on a post I will. If you don’t want to see one step the fuck off boiler.
It sounds like you're trying to get yourself banned
So I’m going to fan the flames. You sound like an angry young man. I’d like to make Stampede Blue a better place Mr. Deywalka, but I need your help.
On behalf of everyone here at Stampede Blue: would you either please stop posting combative, profanity and insult-laced comments, or leave altogether? You’re persona is tiresome and offensive, and your football talk falls somewhere in the middling margin between. We can handle bad opinions – everyone has them – but picking fights and cursing and insulting is getting old, and honestly should get you banned.
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by BoilerUp1982 on Jan 30, 2012 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
I always thought...
It was, “can’t see the forest through the trees”
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I honestly don't know what the exact language of the cliche is. Probably has a few different variations...deywalka's just too easy to get riled up.
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by BoilerUp1982 on Jan 30, 2012 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
Me 2
I think you/we are right
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Dumbasses criticize other dumbasses for being dumbasses :-)
by (206)NightRidah on Jan 30, 2012 5:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
deywalka had it right
Can’t see the forest for the trees. I think he was saying that if you step back and really look at the problem, you’ll discover that lack of talent and absence of peyton was more detrimental than coaching.
I love the new direction we’re going, staffing, but addressing the talent deficit at key positions is critical to Pagano’s success.
by mlc2656 on Jan 30, 2012 5:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think that deywalka just likes picking fights on internet message boards
He mentioned only the lack of “personal” on on defense for Coyer – which I can only hope to assume he meant personnel. Regardless, I’m not buying that argument for a second. We had good linebacking, safety play and a couple probowl DEs. Our run defense was actually better than it’s been in years past. Our cornerbacks were probably the weakest part of the defense, but good coaching can compensate for personnel shortcomings. And any coach will tell you that.
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by BoilerUp1982 on Jan 31, 2012 8:27 AM EST up reply actions
But our old DB coach is now a Defensive Coordinator
Though the Vikings must not have noticed how bad our secondary has been the last few years.
by ex-Viking fan on Jan 30, 2012 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
a good decent HC
would never take a position job,, have to be an OC or DC
by OBGYNOSUPREME on Jan 30, 2012 7:38 PM EST up reply actions
Makes me wonder why the Ravens hired him.
My only logical conclusion is that they are interested in Manning.
And these two are close..
No chance.
Harbough believes in Flacco – and they have more pressing needs, replenishing their aging defense.
by Peter Storgaard on Jan 30, 2012 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
Harbaugh may believe in him doesn’t mean management does.
I find it hard to believe that they hired Caldwell based on merit I mean did they not see how he fared wtihout Manning.
Then again they did keep Cam Cameron so you may be onto something.
Yeah....I guess if that
were true then why did the Colts hire a QB to begin with??? The same reason every other team has a QB coach…..
I'd imagine
the Colts hired a QB to run the offense on-field. To pass the ball and hand off. You can’t run the wildcat the whole game….
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by Addai Another Aday on Jan 30, 2012 5:24 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
i thought the same thing
there is no loyalty in sports. IF and its a big IF Manning is healthy I think Manning would riverdance to BAL and BAL fans would LOVE EVERY MINUTE as perfect revenge.
Yes I think their fans act like jilted ex GF’s with their 26 year grudge about moving (even though they stole the Browns) but facts are facts they would embrace him and if healthy Manning would lead that team to at least a SB.
BELIEVE IT OR NOT...
Caldwell was a good QB Coach… Ask Peyton Mannning who’s career took off once he came aboard… As I menintoned before, there are players, former coaches and GM’s who probably endorseds him. He was not a good HC but he is competent QB coach. I’m happy for him. Sorry things had to end the way they did here, but it was time to move on.
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by JohnHandburgers on Jan 30, 2012 12:15 PM EST reply actions
Peyton's career wouldve taken off anyway
A blind monkey couldve been his QB coach instead and he wouldve been just fine
I think anyone who was hired to 'coach' Manning as quarterback coach,
would have looked pretty darn good. Caldwell was made to look like a good head coach too up until the Jets game debacle, because of Manning’s superhuman abilities. Funny how that works. Take Manning away, and all hell breaks loose.
Tough to question
A persons integrity like that. Every person that’s ever spent time with him talks about how great of a man he is.
It is entirely possible that he watched tape and realized that both of those coaches were not doing a good job and they were fired accordingly. The D did improv under Murphy. Talent or not, a coach has to coach up the players he has and make it work. Coyer and Rychleski failed to do that and were fired.
I have lots of issues with Caldwell as a coach, but a good leader sees where he has made mistakes and takes steps to fix those mistakes. I don’t see how you can criticize Caldwell for doing the exact thing you said the Polians never did. Try to correct their mistakes instead of defending them.
Yeah, I'm Shure.
by Music Man on Jan 30, 2012 12:17 PM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
I agree...
And then the Tony Dungy analogy was used. I don’t think anybody criticized Dungy’s integrity regarding him firing Shula, so why would we criticize Caldwell’s integrity? Just because Dungy regretted it? A bit of a stretch. I don’t think his integrity is anything to question, but I do think his personality was not head coaching material.
Anyway, I’m glad he found a job and wish him the best of luck.
this is the most amazing article i have ever read
especially this
So, again, I think Caldwell will do a fine job in Baltimore as the QB coach, but, for me, I don’t particularly view him as any kind moral man that deserves respect. He strikes me as a “yes man” wiling to throw his colleagues under a bus in order to save his hide, which, in the end, didn’t get saved. Maybe that critique is unfair, but I’m basing it off the man’s actions, and at the end of the day you are defined by what you do, not what you say.
i don't give autographs
by muncie_in_this on Jan 30, 2012 12:35 PM EST reply actions
Happy for Caldwell that he landed in a good place with a good team
He was a QB coach (or QB assistant), if memory serves, with the Colts before being promoted to Head Coach, so this hire might not be as tied to Peyton Manning as some might think. I doubt that Manning learned more from Caldwell than Caldwell learned from him, but to say that Jim’s only a house-wrecking yes-man is unfair to the guy. His situation here with Manning’s injury and the Polian’s regime-like rule was an impossible one. I’m glad he’s got a job.
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He was Peyton's coach so how much did he have to do
and the one yr Peyton didn’t play look how bad our QBs were ,, Cam and Caldwell- Tweetle- Dee and Tweetle- DUM I feel sorry for Balt., at elast they ahve a good HC
by OBGYNOSUPREME on Jan 30, 2012 7:41 PM EST up reply actions
I honestly have no idea what you're trying to say here
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by BoilerUp1982 on Jan 31, 2012 8:29 AM EST up reply actions
Integrity
is a funny thing. A person can’t say he has integrity and have it. Someone else has to say it about you, imo. Caldwell never said he had it, others said it about him.
“Showing stones” has more to do with people who like showing their “stones”, just like wanting to fight is a characteristic of people who are good at fighting. I don’t think it has a whole lot to do with integrity.
by GrizzColt on Jan 30, 2012 1:04 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Ravens quarterback Joe Flacco is very similar to Peyton in terms of physical ability. Caldwell will help him get better.
Are you kidding me?? Have you not seen Flacco play? Hes a joke
How many "jokes" do you know
could lead a team to 4 AFC championship games???
Flacco sucks
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Ummmm
He strikes me as a “yes man” wiling to throw his colleagues under a bus in order to save his hide, which, in the end, didn’t get saved.
^This is an absolutely fucktarded statement. Maybe he was a Yes Man to the Polians and Irsay, but hardly was he one to throw others under the bus. In fact, a yes Man is typically the sacrificial lamb, or the one thrown under the bus, which eventually happened to Caldwell.
I agree that he was a God awful game day head coach. A great coordinator/assistant doesn’t always make a great coach. Criticizing his coaching or lack there of based on his poor performance is one thing, but blindly judging the man’s character is a bit tasteless.
by steveoly32 on Jan 30, 2012 4:27 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
incredibly tastelss
i don't give autographs
by muncie_in_this on Jan 30, 2012 7:26 PM EST up reply actions
its the BBS way
Say Anything for page hits
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Lot of anger on the boards today!
I like it! Gangsta Gangsta!!!
by (206)NightRidah on Jan 30, 2012 5:21 PM EST via mobile reply actions
deywalka
Is a hell of a drug.
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by Addai Another Aday on Jan 30, 2012 5:26 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Im waiting for him...
To pull out a TEC-9 and bust a cap in somebodys ass!
by (206)NightRidah on Jan 30, 2012 5:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
this has got to be one of the stupidest articles ever written on this site
And the bar has never been set real high
by BigBrueShoe on Jan 30, 2012 6:33 PM EST via Android app reply actions
Worst. Article. Ever.
As usual, turning speculation about what happened behind the scenes into facts, and ultimately, judgments. Truly awful work here.
Unless you’re trolling for page views, in which case, bravo.
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by psvirsky on Jan 30, 2012 6:51 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
Bottom line though
is that Caldwell sucked, was a nice guy but not a Head coach and his lousy coaching and lack of a backbone helped cost us the SB and the Jets playoff game the following year
by OBGYNOSUPREME on Jan 30, 2012 7:44 PM EST up reply actions
Well duh
were NOT talkign about his coachign abilites, were talking about the unfair slander BBS just perpetrated here on his character.
Hey BBS, if your bosses ask you to fire one of your writers, are you gunna say no?
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Lindy Infante
How about an article on the coaching status of good ol Lindy or Rick Venturi?
by Horse fan on Jan 30, 2012 7:22 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Holy...
So, under Coyer, our defense was the absolute worst in the NFL this season. And special teams was never any better under Rychleski, aside from the fact that McAfee has an insane leg and basically took kickoff coverage out of the equation. Caldwell personally hired both of them, and as is pointed out in this article (if it can even be called that), he bears responsibility for their failures.
But how is his firing of them an indication of a lack of integrity? Did he throw them under the bus, or did he get rid of them because they weren’t doing their jobs well? In which case, isn’t that part of the job? Was he supposed to keep them and just roll with them until the wheels fall off? How does that make any sense?
I can’t believe I’m even commenting on this garbage. Colts fans deserve better…
by supes2k1 on Jan 30, 2012 9:14 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Thrown under the bus?
How exactly did Caldwell throw Coyer and Rychleski under the bus? From MY vantage point, it seems like Caldwell was overly loyal to Coyer, who was not a good DC. Yet Caldwell stood by his guy, despite the subpar results, for far too long. It’s not scapegoating to fire someone who sucks at their job, and Coyer and his “10-yrd. cushion” defense certainly did. It’s honestly a move Caldwell should have made sooner.
As far as Rychleski, he wasn’t fired — his contract expired, and he wasn’t offered a new one. Yes, it means the Colts canned him, but that choice might not even have been Caldwell’s. Last I checked, it was the front office, NOT the head coach, that signed employees to contracts. And it might very well have been the front office that decided to let Rychleski go, not Caldwell.
There are a lot of legit beefs against Caldwell — do we really need to making up more based on nothing but one outside reporter’s speculation?
Loyalty is everything.
I commend the Loyalty because I am sure Caldwell saw what realistic Colts fans saw. The reason there wasn’t success this season was because the Colts sucked at bringing in quality players and investing so much into Manning that it didn’t allow them to address personnel issues in the off season. I swear by this, if the Pats had to field an identical team I don’t see Bill Belicheck winning very many games AT ALL. Nothing is going to change in Indy if we continue to feed into to notion that the only reason the Colts lost so many games was because of coaching alone. Rookie coaches make mistakes and if I remember correctly Bill coached the Browns as a head coach so I wonder how he ended up with the New England job???.
As great a coach as Bill Belicheck is I’m sure he realizes the reason his secondary sucks and his receiving corps outside the numbers suck isn’t because of his coaching.
I just hope moving forward the Colts will pay more attention to the limitations of the team then a bunch of fans crying for change because they are upset about a guaranteed losing season.
Mark my words if the Colts drafted RG3 over Luck ,and I hope they do IMO, they will be a parade of whiners here in Indy because that isn’t what they want as a fan.
by Wayne_4_President on Jan 30, 2012 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
It's not all on the front office
Yes, talent acquisition by the front office has been part of the problem. Of course, that’s why Irsay was willing to fire the Polians and move forward with Grigson. He realized that a change needed to be made, and now was the time to do it.
With that said, you can’t blame 2-14 on the lack of talent alone. There are still plenty of good football players on this team. Not enough to make a playoff run, but certainly enough to win 6-7 games. The fact that they didn’t falls on coaching.
Look at the examples that you mentioned. Yes, the Patriots defense was a hot mess all year long, yet Belichick found a way to go 13-3 despite starting his back-up slot receiver at DB. Or look at the Houston Texans, who managed to win the division and a playoff game despite losing their best defensive player for 11 games, their All-Pro WR for 9, and starting their third-string QB for 7 games.
And yes, I understand that losing Manning is a bigger blow than what the Patrots or Texans faced with their injuries. Nonetheless, both those teams overcame some severe challenges with good coaching. To say that the Colts couldn’t have been better is asinine.
If you think that’s silly, look at how much the defense improved once they fired Coyer and Mike Murphy took over. Do you think the Colts might have won another game or two if they had made that move earlier? And maybe they would have won another extra game or two if Caldwell and Christensen had acknowledged the limitations of Painter and Orlovsky and scaled back the offensive game plan accordingly? Or if they had tried to improve the atrocious special teams play by getting rid of Rychleski before the end of the season?
Look, I think Belichick might be the devil incarnate, but I guarantee you he would have won 6 games with this team. The way that they coached the Texans, so would Kubiak & Phillips. I don’t necessarily agree with BBS’ post that Caldwell wasn’t a good man (i.e. having no integrity), but the record states pretty clearly that he wasn’t a good coach.
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