Are You Colts Fans Or Manning Fans? Seriously!
by an_auburn_fan on Jan 31, 2012 10:45 AM EST
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This is amazing. So Manning is on his way out. Why should you care any more about that than you did when Edgerrin James, Marvin Harrison, Tarik Glenn or anyone else who left the organization? Like QBs are "special" or something and everybody else is just an interchangeable piece of meat? If you feel that way, why pray tell?
The team that you root for is the Indianapolis Colts, not the Peyton Mannings. They had a tradition before Manning - even if a lot of it was in another city - and need to work on having a tradition when he is gone, which won't be long (more on that lter). The Colts paid Manning $150 million, kept him in a situation where he was comfortable plus built a contending team around him (which a lot of HOF QBs never had). How can anybody say that he is being mistreated?
Even under the BEST scenario, Manning is only going to play 4 years. The COLTS have a chance to move on with a QB who has a real good shot to give them another 15 great seasons. As great as Manning in his prime? No. But a better shot in 3 years when Manning's skills have declined to the point where he is no better than Mark Sanchez? (Yes, it happens to all QBs ... if it happened to Dan Marino, Brett Favre, Joe Montana etc. it will happen to Marino.) A better shot in 5 years when Manning is no longer in the NFL? Definitely.
I know, Luck is no sure thing. Neither is Robert Griffin III, who I think might be the better QB down the line. No player is "guaranteed." But it IS guaranteed that Manning's run in the NFL will be over soon. The oldest QB to win a Super Bowl? John Elway at 38, and he had a much better team around him than the Colts do now. It will take 2-4 years to get the Colts any better than going 10-6 in the sorry AFC South and losing in the first round of the playoffs AT BEST. So what do you want: wait 4 years and replace Manning THEN? With who? Good QB prospects don't come out every year. Not so long ago, David Carr, Joey Harrington and Patrick Ramsey went in the 1st. A few years later: JaMarcus Russell and Brady Quinn. Another year: Vince Young, Matt Leinart and Jay Cutler. Those guys make the Matt Ryan/Joe Flacco year of 2008 look like the Dan Marino/Jim Kelly/John Elway/Tony Eason draft of 1983. Even some of the "better" years: Sam Bradford and Tim Tebow. Alex Smith, Aaron Rodgers, Jason Campbell. Carson Palmer, Byron Leftwich, Kyle Boller, Rex Grossman. So you want to roll the dice on the QBs that will be available in 2016 or 2017?
The sad part is that I think that a lot of you WANT the Colts to stink when Manning is gone. Like that would be Manning's "legacy" or something; proof that he was better than the QBs that had as many rings or more. Sorry, but the rest of the NFL isn't going to waste 5 minutes thinking about stuff like that. Instead, they'll move right on with the teams that are actually winning. How many people are talking about how the Dolphins, Broncos and Cowboys haven't done anything of substance since Marino, Elway and Aikman retired? Nobody. Everybody is talking about the good teams who have good quarterbacks NOW.
Well hey, if you are Manning fans, then fine, be upset. Go find the guys that are still angry over Dominic Rhodes, Cato June, Bob Sanders, Marshall Faulk and Ken Dilger no longer being with the organization and throw together some sort of Occupy Colts protest or something. But actual Colts fans - and not merely fans of one player - should thank Manning for his (well compensated!) tenure with the team, and see the benefits of having better options to replace him than Jim Druckenmiller, Rick Mirer and Heath Shuler. Go back to some of the drafts from the 90s (David Klinger, Tommy Maddox, Dan McGwire, Todd Marinovich, Jeff George, Andre Ware, Trent Dilfer) and the 80s (when in some years no QBs even went in the first round!) and you'll understand just how ridiculous this Andrew Luck resentment is, and how fortunate the Colts are to have a shot a replacing a first ballot Hall of Famer in Manning with such a great prospect. (No, he is not a sure thing, but still the best QB prospect since Manning.)
P.S. It is a two way street, you know. There is no RULE that says that Luck HAS to play right away JUST BECAUSE he is the #1 overall pick. Eli Manning sat for a year behind Kurt Warner, remember? Philip Rivers sat for two years behind Drew Brees. If Manning wants to retire a Colt, he COULD make this thing work by deciding that $150 million is plenty, and taking a pay cut to "only" $4 million or $5 million a year - far more than the vast majority of NFL players make - so the Colts could fit both under the cap, and Luck would have 2-3 years to learn the ropes from the best while Manning chases that last Super Bowl. Wouldn't that be in the best interests of the franchise? Or again ... is it about the best interests of THE COLTS, or the best interests of MANNING?
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To answer the first question.
Peyton Manning is the franchise. Tradition? The Indianapolis Colts Tradition before Peyton Manning was that this was the worst franchise in the NFL. And you throwing out #1 picks out that have been busts only strengthens the argument that if healthy you have Peyton Manning as your starting QB. Also this is now a QB driven league. If you have a elite QB you have a chance to win a championship every year. Not an elite defense. Look at the two teams in the superbowl this year. Both the Giants and Pats the only reason why both teams are there is elite quarterback play. Both defenses are horrid to professional standards. The only reason why either team is there is quarterback play. Also both defensive lines are good at getting in the QB’s face. That is the only way you can today is have elite QB play and a defensive line that can pressure the QB. The old saying defense wins championships is passe and not true any longer.
by dave1251 on Jan 31, 2012 11:38 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
dave
You argue against yourself here – Peyton Manning is no longer an elite quarterback – there you are.
The worse action the Colts can take is to give a bunch of money to an injured and aging QB !! Wish Peyton well and give him his walking papers – draft Luck (and others) and start to rebuild this franchise. It will take time (four or five seasons at least) to get back to competing for the South Division title but, Indy must make the first steps toward this goal on March 11th and April 26th.
by profootballfan on Jan 31, 2012 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
I'm fine with us releasing him
but seriously he’s no longer a elite quarterback? There’s no evidence which supports that claim unless being IR for 1 year, 3 neck surgeries, or being a older QB counts as evidence that statement is invalid.
Each year I hope the Warriors, Colts, Cavs, and the Magic get better yet the opposite happens.
No longer elite?
Where the hell is that info coming from? He won the MVP in ‘08 and ’09 with the hurt neck. He passed for 4700 yards last season with the hurt neck, and before the new rule that doesn’t allow receivers to be hit. Once he has the strength back in his arm, he will go right back to being elite.
Brett Favre had his best season at age 40. Peyton has every reason in the world to come back with a vengeance. His team looked awful, his owner wants to draft a QB, the fans are split on him and that QB, his nemesis or younger brother is going to have another ring, and it’s happening in Indy because of him.
If he gets 80-90% of the strength back in his arm by March, then this season could be very good. Everybody wants to talk about all the holes. They’re the same holes that have been here for years. Trade the pick, and bring in 10 first and second round picks from 2012-2014. Use one of those numerous picks to get hus heir. Hell, trade two of them to get back up to #2 or #3 this season, and get RGIII. Use the rest to reload, not rebuild.
by PeytonTheManning on Feb 1, 2012 5:35 AM EST up reply actions
PM
It’s 2012, not 2009. Peyton Manning is damaged goods – there’s a high probability that he’ll end up on IR again next season. I realize you don’t want to admit its over for this guy but, I’m afraid it is. Yes… its true, time has caught up with Peyton and he is no longer an elite quarterback.
If you truely want the best for the team you root for, you will welcome the wisdom that will be displyed by Irsay when he declines to offer Manning his next (March 11th) option. You earned (so to speak) the no. 1 pick – take Luck and feel good about it. Use the next few years to continue to re-build the team – ten wins will no longer be enough to win the AFC North – the status quo won’t get it done anymore – the Texans have become too good.
The Colts PM glory-days are behind them now – welcome the new QB star-in-the-making, enjoy the wins he creates & history he makes.
by profootballfan on Feb 1, 2012 6:15 PM EST up reply actions
Change you name then
Are you serious? You need to change you name from.profootballfan to clueless if that’s your opinion. Colt fan or not. Manning fan or not. ANY fan of the NFL will tell you Manning was and is the definition of what an NFL Elite QB is supposed to be.
Good question...
The Colts should move on. All good things come to an end. The Peyton Manning era is coming to an end. Get used to it. But there is some precedent in this city in regards to being a fan of a superstar or of the franchise. The Pacers did not have a winning tradition prior to “Miller Time” and it is has been difficult to sell out the building, “he built”, since he left. Yes, The Brawl in Detroit dealt a significant blow to the Pacers fanbase. Nevertheless, given both factors, it has taken years to rebuild buzz about pro basketball here in Indy.
I do not think this will happen for the Colts. This is a football town now and will stay that way as long as two things happen. One, Irsay and Manning have an amicable seperation. Two, the team continues to experience a high level of success. I have heard some fans say they will give up their Colts season tickets if Manning is not back. That would be a mistake. Be patient and rational. Support the franchise during this rebuilding period and enjoy the years of success that Luck will bring us. The Colts are extremely fortunate to have the opportunity to replace one great QB with another potentially great one. While it is sad the Colts will move on from Manning as the result of a serious injury, Luck is our consolation prize. It could be worse. We could have finished 5 and 11, lost Manning to this injury anyway, and not have another opportunity at a franchise QB for years. Or we could be Browns fans.
by thomasezekiel77 on Jan 31, 2012 12:45 PM EST reply actions
Peyton Manning
Is not Reggie Miller. Was Reggie Miller an ICE COLD KILLER when it came to throwing daggers and a HOF player. But Peyton Manning will be regarded as one of the greats to ever take a snap behind center. No disrespect to uncle Reggie but he is no Peyton Manning.
I think of all the years
I didn’t watch football. I only started because of Manning. Sure, it was disappointing when the Edge left town. Edge isn’t the reason I started watching football. Everyone else, no matter how good they are, aren’t anything but players. It’s obvious by his absence what Manning is on a football field. All of those years of winning and when he’s gone, an ear-popping decent to the mean.
Yeah, first and foremost, I’m a Manning fan. Manning is a once in a generation player and I wouldn’t miss a game he played in. The rest of the Colts team, with a few exceptions, were a clown show and very frustrating to watch. They were designed to get the ball back to #18 as quickly as possible—by letting the other team score—and then watch Manning throw 3, 4th quarter touchdowns and win as the clock ran out with a 46 yard field goal. With Manning gone, we just saw them get the ball back to not-Manning by letting the other team score—and then get blown out of the water.
4 years is a lot. Would I prefer Manning over a college unknown for 4 more years? Hell yes. The Colts aren’t going to look good for another few years at best. People are going to be calling for a lot of heads during the alleged rebuilding. That’s the norm. 4 more years of the abnormal guaranteed trip to the playoffs, even one and dones, are going to look really good this time next year.
great post.
i especially liked the part about the team being a clown show haha
i don't give autographs
by muncie_in_this on Jan 31, 2012 2:50 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
In my book Colts fans are Manning fans as well.
The other way around, not so much.
by Peter Storgaard on Jan 31, 2012 7:27 PM EST up reply actions
Why
Why do people keep alluding to this? And what does this mean?
The sad part is that I think that a lot of you WANT the Colts to stink when Manning is gone.
It sounds like the extremely idiotic, perverse liberal mindset when many literally rooted for our troops overseas to die to “prove” that war was wrong in their deluded opinion.
And frankly, why can’t a Peyton Manning fan be a Colts fan?
Is there where all the “bigger, better, badder” fans start swinging their three foot dicks around because they’re more die-hard, or they’ve been a fan longer than everyone else?.
And to OP, stating that the Indianapolis Colts had tradition before Manning is laughable.
the wars are wrong
but you’re spot on with the fan dick measuring contest. its like anyone who doesnt want peyton to leave is a bandwagon son of a bitch because they werent watching the colts in 1963. pretty silly stuff
i don't give autographs
by muncie_in_this on Jan 31, 2012 2:53 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
^
I know not to normally drag politics into a sportsboard, but it was to prove my point.
Yeah, there are already a few codgers on board proclaiming themselves as true fans because they were rooting for the Colts back when dinosaurs roamed the earth.
The one thing that I will say, in regard to these “fans” that are rooting for Luck to fail. Clearly these people aren’t Colts fans. I still haven’t seen any of these fans or posts from these people on here, nor do I ever care to.
If one of these guys ever gets outed, I propose locking him in a closet with omahacolt, his Andrew Luck inflatable doll and a bottle of lube.
you could do better than that
why would anyone not want to draft andrew luck? it makes no sense. we need a qb regardless of manning and this kid looks to be a good qb.
why does that not surprise me
oh yeah. its completely retarded. thats why
60% Manning, 40% Colts
I’m more of a Manning fan than a Colts fan, but after Manning moves on; I will still be a Colts fan. Peyton Manning is solely responsible for me being a Colts fan so it’ll make sense for me to like Manning more than the rest of the team.
"I stepped on bullet-shells and crossed over dead bodies -Soulja Slim
I root for the Colts
It’s my hometown team. I have a lot of fun rooting for my team and sharing that time with family and friends. It isn’t going to stop b/c 18 is gone. It just blows that Peyton has to go out like this.
by SmallMarketBigPlays on Jan 31, 2012 2:08 PM EST reply actions
Big Manning Fan
I’ve followed him since his freshman year at UT. However, I’ve been a Colts since 89-90. I wish the best for Peyton but also love the Colts. I just hope the split is at least amicable. I’d hate to see a bitter end to the era…
You just dont understand just how much manning has meant to the team then
Its as if you are saying that Manning hiomself is just like those who left before him, an interchangeable part. Well I got news for you, he isn’t/ He’s a once in a life time player and it will be insanely difficult to find another player that can replicate his production and abilities. For as much as I love James and Glenn, they were replaceable. Harrison, though he’s a WR, is a special case. Him, like Peyton was not cast aside by Colts fans very easily. the vast majority of us wanted him to stick around and play in the slot. Unfortunately, he did not want to renegotiate his contract and it forced the Colts to release him since he wasn’t going to fit under the cap.
by metal_militia on Jan 31, 2012 2:37 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
Want to add 2 things
1. Didn’t read your post before I posted. Well said.
2. Lets not forget that Marvin Harrison’s legal trouble over the murder in Philly was the BIGGEST factor in his departure from the NFL. So in NO WAY do I lay ANY blame on the Colts over MH not returning. Furthermore, its not really comparable to a neck injury sustained ON THE JOB.
by Lankford 4 President on Jan 31, 2012 6:29 PM EST up reply actions
what?
harrisons legal trouble, or lack thereof, was not why he was out of the league. that is just a foolish statement to make. that is just something stupid fans say
he didnt want to play unless it was for big money. that is why he left the nfl.
Foolish statement? LOL
Your an idiot if you think thats not the reason he NEVER returned to the NFL and retired at 35 lol He was facing a murder rap in April of ’08 and sat out the ENTIRE next season and never returned. Sorry if you and your freind below are too FOOLISH to do the math LOL I dont respond to trolling Homaha, so any response is a waste of your time son
by Lankford 4 President on Feb 19, 2012 7:22 PM EST up reply actions
Seriously
You can’t compare losing Manning to Harrison, James, Sanders or any other Colt in history for that matter. Non debatable. Arguably the BEST QB of all time. Not just best Colt QB, WR or RB of all time. BEST QB of all time. Like in the history of the NFL.
Something that the “new” Colts fans (most gathered under the Manning era) fail to see is, before #18 (and since) Indiana hasn’t had a legitimate LEGEND in any professional sport. This isn’t the first 2-14 caliber rodeo for Indy. Been awhile, but not long enough for ME to forget. Anyways just wanted to throw some insight to you on why Colts fans are “hung up” on Manning as much as the “Manning fans” are about him leaving.
That being said….Luck over Manning is the pure logical choice. But don’t put up a post bashing the people who are torn about the end of the greatest era in Colts history. It only shows that you are a young Colts fan. Either young in age or in experience watching them.
by Lankford 4 President on Jan 31, 2012 6:20 PM EST reply actions
I don't have the time or desire to explain...
how complex of a situation this actually is.
Clearly most of us are Colts fans and will be after Manning, but to prove my point as to why Manning is more important than some random JAG I’d like to respond to this:
They had a tradition before Manning
In the 14 years the Indianapolis Colts existed before Peyton Manning moved from his dorm room in Tennessee, the Colts had a record of 88 wins and 135 losses and made three playoff appearances.
In the 14 years since Peyton got to Indy the Colts have a record of 143 wins and 81 losses making the playoffs 11 times including two superbowl appearances and one world championship win.
The Colts have existed in Indiana for 28 years, for half of them Peyton Manning has been the driving force behind a complete 180 degree turn for our franchise. And for fans in their early to mid 20’s Peyton Manning has been as big as the team.
So we’ll be Colts fans after he’s gone, we just don’t ever want him to go.
by cq.noble on Jan 31, 2012 7:14 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
Fan of Both
I think that the best situation is the Colts get Luck and Manning goes to some team that is a contender. Hopefully there he can win another SB. With that he could become the GREATEST quarterback to ever play the game, and he would still be remembered as a Colt. That is what I want to happen, Colts are set for future, Manning becomes greatest of all time.
Colts Prior to Manning
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The Colts were not a good team in the time before PM. Lets not forget that. I am a Manning fan, but furthermore, I’m a Colts fan. Growing up in Indiana with the Colts has not been easy(until 1997). Constantly losing, blacking out MNF games, The “Hoosier” Dome being 1/4 full. All of it changed when we got PM, no doubt about that. I am thankful for the time we had Peyton, thankful. But no man is above an entire team, no matter how important that man is or how great that team is.
I hope he can just be healthy and enjoy retirement, playing football should be the last thing on his mind right now. Will he be able to hold his twins at the same time? Who knows? I believe in this team, this organization, and this city. Thank you PM for your time here, thank you! You have been the best football player I have ever seen play the game. You are the best in my eyes.
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