Peyton Manning: Rehab 'On Point', No Plans To Retire
by Stew Blake on Jan 31, 2012 4:16 PM EST
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Well, we finally heard it from the horse's mouth.
After widespread speculation and "gut feelings" regarding the future and health of Peyton Manning, all of that has been laid to rest. At least for the next 24 hours...
In an exclusive two-part interview with ESPN's Trey Wingo, Manning was very optimistic about his future and maintained an upbeat tone throughout:
"I really feel good. I continue to make progress every day," he said. "Everything that the doctors have told me has been on point, which is encouraging to me. I just had a great day today with rehab, just got back from the facility, and that's what we continue to do. Just keep trying to get better. So far I have. That's the plan from here on out."
Manning expects to be cleared to play, will continue to receive check-ups over the next several weeks, and believes his future will be determined soon:
"I think the sooner the better, I really do," he said. "Jim and I talk constantly, we really do. We're in constant communication, and after this week is over, we'll do it, and we'll make a good plan from there. Either way, it's going to be good. I'm at peace, and it'll be a positive thing, I can assure you."
In my opinion, Manning did two things with this interview:
A) Tried to clear up the misconceptions and reports about his supposed fragile health.
B) Sent a signal to the football world that he'll be ready to mingle, if he indeed becomes a free agent.
After the interview with Manning, Adam Schefter stated that he believed Manning is likely on his way to becoming "the most decorated and high-profile free-agent in NFL history." No kidding, Schefter?
Manning was also asked to predict the possible outcome of the upcoming Irsay decision, but delivered the following instead:
"I cannot predict that," he said. "I think it's well documented how I feel about this city, the fans, the Colts, Jim Irsay. It's well documented. Tough decisions have to be made. They'll be made at the appropriate time. This is just not the week to do it. It's not the week. I know people can talk about it, that's fair, that's part of the game. It doesn't mean that I have to add to that conversation, and I just don't plan to."
And as Manning mentioned, he does really seem "at peace" with the prospects of his situation. However, he did remain adamant that he'd like to stay in Indy and praised his relationship with Irsay.
Let's just hope that if he does part ways, it truly will be in the best interests of the Colts and #18.
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very weird to me
All these typically reliable insiders (king, etc) saying that his rehab is not going well, he’s not progressing. But Peyton says he’s doing very well. Seems strange to me.
by coltsgolfbeer on Jan 31, 2012 4:24 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
you know what i agree and we should learn from this
First if he’s done (retiring) why with all the rehab everyday.
Second we know he is a competitive and would want another ring
Three we know Irsay said its he’s decision and its on mannings health
So those are the things we really just need to think about. Screw the analyst and writers. Obviously they are all trying to buy attention.
do you recall Ryan Grigson's "leak" test?
Think its more of that stuff?
by metal_militia on Jan 31, 2012 6:38 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe its is a leak test.
weed out the leakers and fire them. aside from that we all can say that the next head line will be " I TOLD YOU SO!" for whom ever had their speculation come to fruition.
Intriguing line for me right now is " Either way, it’s going to be good. I’m at peace, and it’ll be a positive thing, I can assure you."
Let me do my take on this. Decision is done but not the decision that the media has been speculating. That Manning was actually ready to play had the Colts played well enough to make a run at the superbowl. I mean a happy Peyton means higher than likely that he will stay.
Or he’s happy to have a chance to play again regardless. I don’t get why people assume he’s Colts or bust.
If Manning wants to play he’ll do it anywhere if he can.
I am resigned to the fact that he will likely be on another team
I hope for the best for him. I think he’s still got it and I look forward to watching him play more. But for the Colts it is about the money at this point. If there was a way to restructure the deal to be more cap friendly, I would be all for it. But that isn’t possible (at least to my knowledge) so the rebuilding mode must continue.
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This certainly makes things look good for Colts fans.
If Manning is indeed where he says he is, no way in HELL are the Colts going to release him. If he is indeed going to be cleared to play in the next week or two, you CANNOT release him. Suddenly, that number 1 overall pick becomes something to set up a dynasty with. Just one good trade with that pick can set up a whole decade of success for the Colts. Just because there are “can’t miss prospects” at quarterback this year, doesn’t mean there won’t be any good ones in upcoming drafts. At this point I say keep Manning, he means too much to the city and fans. Either trade the #1 overall pick or use it to get a very high quality player on defense/offense that you can start to dominate.
by 18to87 on Jan 31, 2012 4:39 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
false. we are releasing him. He will not be 100% by march 8
Even if he is close to 100% we can’t give him that type of money. We are in rebuilding mode and you do not rebuild with a 36 year old QB with 3 neck surgeries. Even if that QB is Peyton manning
by coltsgolfbeer on Jan 31, 2012 4:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Just because you think it is not true, doesn't make is such. With Peyton Manning, you pay that much money because he wins.
Trust me, Peyton takes care of himself. He’s had this injury for 4-5 years (If I’m correct in assuming it happened vs. Washington in 2006). He’ll be fine as he doesn’t take that many hits and knows to go down. Manning gives the team the best options to win and win for the next 4-5 years. Using the #1 overall pick to get pieces together to have a GREAT team together when the new quarterback comes in down the line is the direction we should go.
by 18to87 on Jan 31, 2012 5:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
and just because you're
addicted to Peyton Manning doesn’t mean he’s going to be kept by the team either. Dude Manning is gone. Get used to the idea. The Colts are not going to trade the 1st overall pick and they aren’t going to sit Andrew Luck to hold a clip board for 3 years or however long it takes for Manning to retire. It makes absolutely no sense to pay Manning 28 million when he’s not going to be ready by the deadline. The organization isn’t going to gamble like that. New coach. New regime. New agenda. Get used to the idea.
That's you're take
and you are entitled to that. Regardless of what you think or feel, it all comes down to the man who owns the colts.
I dare say Irsay is going to pay him $28 Million, because they already probably had a revisit of the conversation 13 years ago. Which would probably sound like this:
Jim: " Peyton we’re not going to pay $28m, and we are going to do the right thing and pick Luck and your a free agent"
Peyton: “Remember what i said 13 years ago why you should draft me instead of Ryan Leaf, I still have 3-4 years and boy the Texans look good right now.”
It’s not going to happen (Texans that is) its just my take on things. I like Peyton and all i can do is wish him well for what ever team he plays. As for Luck it’s a wait and see. Will he be Manning like or Leaf Like, we will know soon enough.
I don't think Luck will be Leaf like
I don’t think he will be a flat bust, but he has HUGE shoes to fill and the expectations are way too high right now. It will be tough to be satisfied even if he is a Matt Ryan type because the team is giving up on Manning for it.
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Seriously?
How can you say the Colts won’t be willing to gamble AND say Luck is the new guy for the Colts in the same paragraph when going all in on Luck is the ultimate gamble. Especially since we’re all used to watching Peyton own the field for the last decade. The new front office and coaching staff is designed to help this team win. After the year we just had, that makes sense. Firing Peyton Manning doesn’t.
You have to understand how unique our position is. 99% of teams with the first pick in the draft who draft a QB are in a situation where that QB has to play. We’re not. If Manning can play, there is absolutely no reason why the Colts wouldn’t want Luck to play behind him.
Just my humble opinion, but all the media whores and their “sources” don’t trump Manning and Irsay’s own words because Irsay and Manning aren’t paid to make headlines. Manning says he’s getting better everyday and has every intention of playing. He’s also said that he loves Indy and wants to play in one place his whole career. Irsay has always said that he wants Manning to stay in Indy. He has also said that the roster bonus (that $28M everyone keeps referring to) isn’t an issue and has no bearing on the decision. It’s all about his health. If that’s true, there’s no way the Colts let him walk.
Besides, it’s not like the new coach, regime, etc is trying to win or anything…
by NFLFan83 on Feb 1, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree with your theory
But it seems that Irsay has been hedging his comments lately and the vibe is more of a complete rebuild instead of an “everyone but Manning” rebuild. I want Manning to be on this team more than anyone but only if they can predict with certainty that his arm strength will be back to 100% by week 1 next season and I think that is going to be the biggest issue since nerve regeneration is so unpredictable.
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It's time to part ways
Nobody is suggesting dumping Manning for Luck because they think Luck will be better. They’re suggesting it because they realize that Manning is either at, or very near to, the end of his career. When you’re rebuilding a team, you don’t make an incredibly expensive 36-year-old your centerpiece. And while Irsay has no problem in paying Manning another $28M, he’s realizing he does have a problem with the salary cap implications of picking up a contract that is structured in such a way that you either have to keep Manning for 3 years, or suffer a crippling salary cap hit that would force you to cut some of your best players.
If Manning isn’t 100% by March 8, you CAN’T pick up the contract option. If Manning is healthy by March 8, you have to question if you SHOULD pick up the option. You’re rebuilding the team. It’s not just Manning that’s getting old and closer to being released — Wayne, Saturday, Clark, Diem, Freeney, Mathis and Brackett are all getting older. Many of them will be gone in a year or two.
This team is rebuilding. It’s going to take a few years. Those few years will likely be the last of Peyton’s career. AS much as it sucks, the best move for both parties is for the Colts to cut ties and rebuild, and let Peyton have an opportunity to go to a contender to finish his career.
by Chris S. on Feb 2, 2012 4:01 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
A Healthy Peyton Manning Sells Tickets Too
I keep hearing about how Andrew Luck will be good long-term. NFL is a business and a business of making money. Letting PM walk is awful for business. You’ll lose a chuck of your fan base and will likely suffer at least a couple losing seasons. Peyton Manning puts people in the seats because he wins. Andrew Luck will put people in the seats for 5 or 6 games, but unless he’s in the playoff hunt games will stop selling out. Look at how fickle Indy is with the Pacers. You have to pay PM $28million because he sells.
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by Mark Olson on Feb 1, 2012 9:51 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Not fair with Pacers analogy
That is a team that had one of the largest controversies in the history of sports and then proceeded to pay thugs to shoot people outside of strip clubs(I’m exaggerating a bit obviously). It would take several years of sub-500 play to stop the Colts from selling out.
18to87
I have been saying that all along. But I am now understanding that it is best to move on even if it means Manning in another jersey for 3-4 years. Think of it this way…even if Manning plays at 90% of his former self for 4 years, you have to think that Luck, by year 3 or so, will also be playing at a very high level but will be at a much more cap friendly price and will still have 10 or so more years to continue to get even better while Manning retires.
I will support either decision (keep Manning and trade pick, keep both or let Manning go and draft Luck). The only thing I won’t support is drafting RGIII at #1.
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Re-building mode
So far its just the coaches… I know cuts are coming, but that doesnt mean Peyton is gone…Elway, Farve, and yes, Tom Brady have or did all surive rebuilding modes and kept playing for there respective teams
Its not over…yet
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by dezznutz1001 on Jan 31, 2012 5:55 PM EST up reply actions
Geez
The first pick
The health
The age
THE MONEY!!!
this situation doesn’t even slightly compare to the ones you mentioned.
by mlc2656 on Jan 31, 2012 7:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Take out the first pick part
and it describes Leway and Farve perfectly..Rodgers was supposed to be a top10 QB when they drafted him, Farve was still the man there.
BTW, you dotn sem to undrrstand what re-builidng is all about, it doesnt mean you get rid of all your star veteran players
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by dezznutz1001 on Feb 2, 2012 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
If you're Irsay himself, feel free to tell me to stick it...
Otherwise, I’d appreciate you or one of the other experts telling me where I can find the “rules” documented some place. They had too many holes to compete in 2011. With a healthy Peyton Manning, you no longer have a hole at QB. So why? Rebuilding means a losing record for several years, when you can compete now? I don’t think it does.
I disagree with all you guys completely and will be upset at any decision to let Manning play elsewhere while he can still play. it would be dumb.
by nmbr5ml on Jan 31, 2012 9:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
ditto
good take on rebuilding. we had all but one dismal season. Injuries played a big role, a difficult schedule (why we ended with #1 over RAMS) coaching staff who under performed and didn’t make the adjustment.
49ers did it with a new HC – not exactly an overhaul of the players but rather the philosophy. And before you now it they go to the NFC championsip all in one season when they couldn’t get it done under Singletary.
It’s as mental as it is physical. Run the wrong scheme, plan it wrong, and plain outright not having a plan B or plan C. Otherwise the game just gets away from your team thus 2011 colts season. Would we have been as bad had we had Jim Harbaugh as our HC?
are schedule was weaker then the rams
that’s why we got the number one pick
He's absolutely right - what's the problem?
We had identical 2-14 records with the Rams, but since we played a weaker schedule (i.e. opponents’ winning percentage), we were awarded the #1 overall pick because that indicates we were a weaker team.
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by BoilerUp1982 on Feb 1, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
I know how we ended up with the #1 pick.
I think the Colts played higher quality teams – regardless of end of season winning percentages.
NFC was much stronger than the AFC this season.
Maybe over the past decade or so, that hasn’t been the case, but we played in the weakest division in the weaker conference as far as the 2011 season is concerned.
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Not true.
2011/2012 Regular Season Numbers:
NFC Overall Record: 129-127
AFC Overall Record: 127-129
NFC Points Scored/Given Up: 6022/5889
AFC Points Scored/Given Up: 5334/5467
While NFC teams scored more points, AFC teams gave up far fewer. What you’ve seen this year is more parity than in years past.
As far as the two divisions are concerned, they’re almost the same with the NFC West having gone a combined 30-34 vs the AFC South going 26-38. I wasn’t comparing the whole conferences though. I was comparing the quality of the Rams opponents versus the Colts.
So - I see all those numbers, and they all indicate that the NFC was still the stronger conference.
NFC had better record than AFC.
the points scored and points allowed really is a wash, and wasn’t a metric I’d use anyways.
NFC West had better record than AFC South.
The Colts played fewer playoff teams than the Rams, played a greater percentage in a weaker division, played opponents with a weaker overall winning percentage, and our out-of-division games consisted of powerhouses like Cleveland, KC, Carolina and Tampa Bay.
Please, continue this diatribe if you wish – but you know there’s a problem when the numbers you provide actually prove my point.
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No they don't. Look again, my verbose friend.
Your point was that the “NFC was much stronger than the AFC.” Only two games separate the NFC from the AFC overall – hardly an indication that the NFC was “much stronger.” All those numbers supported what I said: what you saw this year is more parity than in years past.
If wins, losses, points scored, and points surrendered aren’t metrics you would use to judge the overall strength/superiority of a conference, what would you use? A team’s winning percentage at the end of the season can be a misleading statistic. A more accurate analysis would look at winning percentages when the teams actually played because that takes into consideration the ebbs and flows that teams experience during the year.
Let’s also take a moment and review the playoff teams that both teams played.
Rams: NYG, BAL, GB, NO, SF (x2), CIN, PIT
Colts: HOU (x2), PIT, CIN, NO, ATL, NE, BAL
In case you’re still counting, that’s 7 playoff teams each… so the Colts didn’t play fewer playoff teams.
I never said that every team the Colts played was awesome. I know Cleveland, KC, Carolina, and Tampa Bay aren’t that good. Some of the Rams’ out-of-division opponents included Washington, Cleveland, Cincinnati, and Philadelphia. Cincinnati played pretty well this year, but that still doesn’t contradict my assertion that the Colts played more quality teams that have been consistently better over time.
Let’s be clear. I didn’t start this little debate by comparing conferences – you did. My first post was more of a shot at Phillycolt’s accidental use of “are” instead of “our” than what you made it into. Clearly, you’re the kind of person who is always right, so my expectations are relatively low. If you’re still convinced that the NFC was the dominant division, you’re more than welcome to your opinion – but the facts say the two conferences were pretty well matched this year.
(Insert pathetic attempt to sound witty and educated here)
funny that after such a unnecessarily lengthy (and as such, unread) post you call me verbose
What I “started” was an unfortunate exercise in beating my head against a wall.
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I dont think he meant...
That he’ll be 100% in a few weeks, just that the decision on his future (getting the bonus or being cut) will come within the next few weeks. Either way, Irsay has only 5 weeks before the March 8th deadline, and we’ve already heard reports that Irsay will cut him after the SB, but before the scouting combine (Feb 22nd, I believe).
At this point I’d be a lot of $$$ that Peyton Manning is cut sometime between February 15th and March 8th. Really, the only reason to delay the move is to allow Manning access to the Colts training facility, I believe.
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Am I missing something?
If his rehab is “on point” he could be ready by training camp. You don’t have to commit 28 million on the unknown, cut him, with the understanding that IF he’s 100% by training camp, resign him, offer a signing bonus and $1 for the first year. That would make up for the money spent last year, reduce his cap hit this year, allow Irsay to secure Luck for the future and STILL go after defensive players in the draft and in free agency. Manning gets to remain a Colt, Irsay doesn’t have to worry about life after Manning, Luck gets to learn from a future HOFer and the fans rejoice!!! Oh, and screw the “insiders” and “scoopers” who THINK they know what’s going on in Indy!
Right...
That’s going to happen….
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point taken
but before this awful season, did you EVER think the Colts would be in a position to CUT PM??? I think after this season ANYTHING is possible!
that's what i thought.
if the colts finished 8-8 Cutting him would be out of the question. Like i said maybe Jim thought Manning stays get rid of the Coaching staff as obviously the reason why they can’t get it done in the playoffs.
No...
But before this season, I never thought Irsay would be in a position to completely clean house, bring in an entirely new coaching staff.
Before this season, I NEVER would’ve thought that the Colts would be in a position to take Andrew Luck with the #1 overall pick – the greatest QB prospect since Manning himself.
Can anything happen? Yes, Irsay could sell the team to Peyton Manning, and Manning can make Irsay the starting QB next season. But the writing is on the wall in regards to what will ACTUALLY happen. Manning knows he’s done in Indy. His health will determine if he can play elsewhere in 2012, or be forced into retirement.
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by kmbryant09 on Feb 1, 2012 9:30 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe it’s the optimist side of me that hopes Manning is healthy and willing to restructure (or re-sign if cut) so he can retire a Colt. I’m just not convinced Luck will be the answer for us, there are so many holes on the other side of the ball. I see this rebuilding process taking 2-3 years before we get back to the playoffs, and that’s as a wild-card, because the Texans clearly are the best team in our division. If Manning is on the team, and Luck is traded for more players/picks, maybe we contend NEXT year, and not 4-5 years down the road!
by James Busch on Feb 1, 2012 10:06 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Honestly, I think the process will be fairly quick...
I really believe that Pagano can take our current roster on defense and make them average. And as we’ve seen before with Detroit and Houston, you can turnover a defense fairly quickly. They still need to add a few pieces, especially to the secondary, but they should have picks 2-7, and a few Free Agents to address their issues.
While I’m not sure Luck will be an all-time great like the hype is suggesting, he should be fairly competent from the start (he’s much more pro-ready then Cam Newton was, and look how that turned out). Even with Wayne and Saturday likely gone, the Colts have some young talent on offense – Garcon (assuming he’s re-signed), Collie, D.Brown/D. Carter, Castanzo/Ijalana.
I really do think that the Colts, if done properly, can win 7-10 games next season without Peyton Manning. But that’s assuming Luck is good. It’s assuming some young talent continues to develop. It’s assuming Pagano has a big impact on the defense. It’s assuming that the Colts actually sign a Free Agent or 2.
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I also feel this way
The team would have won 6 games this year with ANY other competent QB…that’s how bad Orlovsky and Painter are. If Luck even plays at an average expected level, they will be close to 8-8 with some defensive improvement and by year 2 the Colts will again contend for the South division.
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With no Manning
7-10 wins is EXTREMELY OPTIMISTIC
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by dezznutz1001 on Feb 2, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
It is...
But if you read my post, you’d realize that we have an entirely new coaching staff, and a new GM in charge of player evaluations. I know we all liked Polian and Caldwell, but we’ve significantly upgraded our front office/coaching staff.
Also, according to the hype, Luck would’ve won 4-6 games with this Colts roster this past season – he can’t possibly be worse than Orlovsky and Painter. And I’m assuming that the team actually utilizes some of the cap space free’d up by letting Manning walk.
So with Andrew Luck, a new coaching staff, and a few additions to this defense, I believe then can win 7-10 games next season.
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And also...
There’s little debate that the Colts would be more competitive for the next 2-3 years with a healthy Peyton Manning and trading the #1 overall pick. But that’s not how you operate a business.
Irsay knows that he can be competitive with Manning for the next few years, but will then go through a lengthy re-building process, and probably a lengthy search to find Manning’s replacement. Instead, drafting Luck minimizes the process, and nets the greatest Prospect of our generation – which should set this franchise up for 10-15 years of being competitive. It’s also a lot less risky, considering Peyton’s health. If Irsay decided to keep Peyton, the team could be one hit away from being the laughing stock of the league for 3 years while the Colts get Manning off their books – and have to deal with Luck winning games for another franchise.
Manning won’t be a Colt much longer, it’s the harsh reality of business. But it’s absolutely best for both sides. Some fans may not see it that way right now because of their loyalty to Manning, but it will make sense soon enough.
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Luck is no different
He is the same one hit away from being hurt. Peyton is no more likely to be hurt by a hit than him. He’s also more seasoned in the pocket, and better at avoiding hits. I guess he is actually less of a risk to get hurt by a hit.
by PeytonTheManning on Feb 1, 2012 3:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'd say that older players are more likely to get hurt than younger players
It is true that anyone is one hit away from being hurt, but to say Manning, coming off of career-threatening neck surgeries, has a smaller injury risk than a healthy rookie like Luck is absurd.
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Not sure how
His neck is healed. There is nothing there to worry about. It’s just nerve regeneration, now. Plenty of guys have had this surgery. Linebackers and corners have it. If they can tackle people all game, he can tak a few hits. His pocket presence also makes him less likely to take a severe hit than a rookie. He is older, but Favre played every game until he was 39. Some people play through anything. Manning couldn’t play through a pinched nerve (Cal Ripken couldn’t have), but I’d wager he’d play through more than Luck.
by PeytonTheManning on Feb 1, 2012 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
wtf are you talking about
1) “he’d play through more than luck” is a dumb statement. no need to question the toughness of another player when trying to defend manning. it doesnt need to be said. you dont know that and its just retarded drivel.
2) linebackers and corners dont have to throw a 20 yard out. that is what will determine if manning can play or not
welcome back to sweet talker
The fact that Manning had the second longest games played streak at QB behind Favre before the neck fusion. Luck already has had a surgery on his hand and a knee issue. I will take the guy who didn’t miss a game until doctors pulled a bone from one part of his body to fuse with a bone in another. Stating a player is a proven iron man vs. an unproven commodity is not drivel.
Also, nevermind. It’s pointless to talk to you. You’re like a 4 year old. You just like to hear yourself talk.
by PeytonTheManning on Feb 1, 2012 9:15 PM EST up reply actions
pointless to talk to me?
you are nothing more than a fanboy that cant get over his hero worship.
manning is more than 10 years older than luck. he could easily get hurt in the 1st game. maybe he doesnt. manning missed a full season. the dude is a tough mfer but you cant call him an iron man anymore.
Hmmm
That is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. So stupid.
by PeytonTheManning on Feb 1, 2012 9:45 PM EST up reply actions
We missed you
Douche Bag
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by dezznutz1001 on Feb 2, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
You had me until the "one hit away comment"
Manning’s neck is not fragile…this is about nerve regeneration and arm strength/accuracy only. His neck is as strong if not stronger than Luck’s neck.
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by AceOfSpades on Feb 1, 2012 7:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i disagree, kmbryant
irsay could not sell the team to manning. he doesnt have enough money
as I been saying
I have been commenting on every doomsday blog post, that people were not looking at the evidence , the evidence is Peyton is rehabbing and he wants to play.. he will need until june or july to know if the nerves are or aren’t regenerating..
Irsay needs to cut Peyton and it is a ricky bet both ways.. future of the franchise can’t be place on a bet. we get that.. so Irsay needs to stop looking for excuses and just do what he supposed to do.
Peyton will be too risky for the colts, but that doesn’t mean he will retire, he wants to play, and if he gets healthy he deserves to play. colts or elsewhere.
irsay will cut peyton, but he is looking for excuses when they are not needed. The person right know that does’nt understand why Colts need to cut Peyton on march 8 or before lives in a fantasy world
"If anything, we want to go out there and step it up. Of course it will be different (without Manning), but it’s one of those things that if it happens, everybody else has to step up. It’s next man up." - Pro Bowl safety Antoine Bethea
by thebossuzzi on Jan 31, 2012 4:45 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
You still have no proof
He said the doctors are moving him forward. He’s throwing the ball. He wants to talk to Irsay as soon as possible. None of that sounds like a guy who is behind schedule.
by PeytonTheManning on Jan 31, 2012 6:15 PM EST up reply actions
Some point
Also could be March? We don’t know. Why the hate for Manning? Every upgrade you want to shoot it down.
Listen..there is NO HATE for Manning..Im tired of hearing that crap.
I spent 25 years in the Army, Have had both knees operated on 3 times, every major ligament torn, ACL, MCL and PCL. But age and injury catches up to all of us, I hope he can play, hell I hope he can win another superbowl..But dam it make no sense to spend all that money on a guy that at best will last 3-4 more years. We do not even know if he will ever play again for sure. There is NO Hate, but I am a Colts fan and a Manning fan..but the Colts come first and it is sad to say but its time to move on. For many of us Manning will be the greatest Colt ever but that does not mean Luck will not be great too. It is a youngmans game.
by armycolts25 on Jan 31, 2012 8:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Just to be clear...
The ACL, MCL and PCL are not “every major” ligament in the knee. You are forgetting the LCL – Lateral Collateral Ligament.
by ColtBeerHere on Feb 1, 2012 12:10 AM EST up reply actions
It makes sense if that guy is Peyton Manning.
This is a QB driven league and the best way to win is to put your best players on the field. Until we know what kind of player Luck is going to be, there’s no need to dump Peyton.
This guy's got more class on his fingernail....
It’s unbelievable the amount of stress he must be under. The Michael Jordan of the NFL…we owe him $50M in back pay!!!
by RxColt on Jan 31, 2012 4:47 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Interesting....very interesting
Irsay won’t cut a healthy Manning.
by TheWeasley on Jan 31, 2012 4:55 PM EST via Android app reply actions
He's going to have too
No ones going to trade for Manning under that contract, and I doubt Irsay is going to keep him with his hefty contract which makes Luck and Manning chain 20% of all of Colt’s available cap space.
Teams would definitely trade for him
Teams around the league who want him would love to trade for him. They would only be responsible for his base salary. The Colts would be the ones who would take the bad end of it by having to eat the bonus money. If Irsay made the worst mistake in the history of the league (cutting a healthy Manning), then he will get 3-4 years and close to $100 million on the open market. It would be much cheaper for a team to take his current contract without the bonus.
The curse of the Bambino lasted 86 years. The Curse of Peytono might last just as long. Especially, when you look at the organization without him. They had 14 seasons before him. Their record was under .400. 1 division title. 1 trip to the AFC Championship. 14 seasons with him. Just under .700 winning percentage. 8 division titles. 2 Super Bowl trips with one win. The year he’s hurt. 2-14.
If the Colts didn’t draft Manning, the few fans that were with the team before he showed up, like myself, would all be on DirecTV right now, since we would be watching the LA Colts. There wouldn’t be a Super Bowl
in town right now, and we would all have a special place in our hearts for Ryan Leaf right beside Jeff George.
by PeytonTheManning on Jan 31, 2012 6:36 PM EST up reply actions
Uhhh trading Manning
Would put the Colts in absolute salary cap hell for the next few years (somewhere between $30 million and $50 million still to count over the next 3 years).
And even though he may deserve it, Manning won’t get anything close to 3/4 years and $100 million. First, he won’t demand it after earning $26 million in 2011 without playing. Second, no team is going to pay a 36-year-old $25 million for the next 4 years, coming off of a 3rd neck surgery. Third, very few teams would even have the cap space to make such an offer. Fourth, Peyton wouldn’t want to cripple his future franchise. If he plays – whether it’s in Indy or somewhere else, it will be with the sole purpose of winning another SuperBowl(s). I’m guessing he’d ask for/earn a 3 year/$35 million contract with a mutual option for a 4th year.
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the problem has always been that he deserves every dollar he made and more.
He structured a $90 million dollar contract knowing he may not be healthy. Why do you think he’d offer a discount while 100% healthy. I agree, I wouldn’t expect a long term contract, but he will command as much as he can get.
By thoughts anyway.
by mlc2656 on Jan 31, 2012 7:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Okay
I said that the Colts are the ones who wouldn’t make the trade, because they would have to eat the bonus. My statement was that other teams would love to trade for Manning, since they would only be responsible for his base salary.
He will be the top free agent in history. His age won’t matter to teams who feel they are one great QB away from contending for a Super Bowl. Miami, Seattle, Washington, and Minnesota would all be bidding on his services. Another 4-5 teams will probably jump in the fray. He’s not going to take a pay cut on his last contract to be a nice guy. He would get his value. That value, apparently only to owners and fans of other teams, could easily exceed $20 million. The team would get a huge chunk of that back in season tickets
and merchandise alone.
3 years/$35 million is a joke. If he asks for that, Irsay would just bring him back after cutting him. If he was willing to accept that amount, that would be what he would pitch to Irsay in order to stay. He’s due to make $28 million guaranteed. He’s not going to accept $35 million over three years with only part of it being guaranteed. That’s a bold stance on your part. Don’t forget that Favre made $12, $12, and $16 his last 3 years. Any team would take an old Manning over an old Favre 8 days of the week. Those teams paid up, because they thought he could get them over the hump. Some owner, I’m looking towards Washington, will pay a very handsome amount to get him.
A QB’s salary shows where he stands compared to his peers. That’s why Brees will be wanting something
near the $18 million Brady and Manning signed to get.
With so many teams waiting for him, it’s pretty ridiculous that the fans of his team are ready to nudge him out the door. I guess everybody is putting a lot of faith behind a guy who has never coached, and a GM who has never made the draft decisions. I guess everybody in this town just assumes he will be a nicer version of Bill Polian. I hope you doom and gloom types are right about that, at least.
by PeytonTheManning on Jan 31, 2012 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
Difference of opinions...
But you guys realize Manning took a discount on his current contract, correct?
And both parties involved (Manning and the bidding teams) will realize that Manning’s health is a huge question mark. Even if he recovers to 100%, its hard to trust a 36-39 year old QB coming off of 3 neck surgeries, regardless of what the Dr’s say.
And Manning isn’t simply going to the highest bidder. He’s going to a place that HE picks, that HE feels is a QB away from a SB. That HE thinks he can make the difference on. I’m guessing that short list is Miami, Arizona, San Fran, and New York (not sure if he’d want to play there).
Teams like Washington, Seattle, Cleveland, Minnesota aren’t a QB away from being a SB contender, no matter how good Manning is. Washington could offer Manning 5 years/$150 million and I’m sure he wouldn’t take it.
I think Manning will take a reasonable salary, maybe with incentives for playoff appearance and SB appearance, but he’s not going to make $25 million a season.
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Never said elite
I said 3-5 available per year. I also said they become great by being on a team with good protection and the right scheme for them. There are dozens of guys in your 63 years who flamed out because of being in the wrong situation. Not because they were bad QBs. If Manning is healthy, the Colts could trade the pick for two extra first and second round picks in the next two years.
There will be a QB available with one of this picks, or by trading both first rounders in one of the seasons to get the QB. I just don’t see any way to justify not taking advantage of all this Luck hype, if Manning’s doctors say he should be ready by training camp. I will take the picks every time. If they say he won’t be ready until 2013, then Irsay can cut him.
by PeytonTheManning on Jan 31, 2012 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
He sure seems to love the Colts
In a society where the major market cities seem to rule sports, it is a good feeling to know your favorite small market team has the greatest QB and he actually loves it there.
by GrizzColt on Jan 31, 2012 4:59 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Exactly, and some Colts fans seem too eager to kick him to the curb
What really sucks is if he goes somewhere else, it will almost certainly be a big market
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by dezznutz1001 on Jan 31, 2012 5:57 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I don’t doubt he does doesn’t mean its the best place to be for him if he wants another ring.
They’re rebuilding Irsay’s words.
Rebuilding doesn’t include a soon to be 36 year old QB with 3 neck procedures
I don't know...
Rebuilding could absolutely include a soon to be 36-year-old QB with 3 neck procedures if that QB’s name is Peyton Manning.
With Luck also on the roster, you’re just setting the franchise up for (what you hope is) a smooth transition from one QB to the next.
where does he say that he has no plans to retire?
I don’t see a quote saying he has no plans to give it up. In fact, his quotes are rather nebulous. He doesn’t say he’ll be fine March 1st. I do think he’s ingratiating himself with the fans so if he does get cut he doesn’t look bad. ugh.
I don't know about anyone else here,
but personally, I’m not ready to have an NFL without Peyton, just yet.
by Ayrshire on Jan 31, 2012 5:05 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
Totes agree
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by muncie_in_this on Feb 1, 2012 12:15 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
no way irsay cuts him if he is healthy....even though he should
i will crap my pants if we trade the #1 pick.
IndyColts_18 is the G.O.A.T
just to be safe
invest in Depends . . .:-). Ya never know about Irsay. lol
by oldecoltsfan on Jan 31, 2012 6:13 PM EST up reply actions
Not really a conflict
The unnamed sources are reportedly saying that it could be a year before Manning would know if he could return, and that they feared he wouldn’t improve. They are not saying that he won’t be able to play, but that he might not be able to play, and that the final answer won’t be known for quite awhile. Peyton is looking at the same info optimistically – that he might still be able to play, and it might be this coming season.
I’m also wondering whether there might be a possibility of a partial recovery – one that allowed him to play, but with a weaker arm. Reports of his December workouts suggested he was throwing well at short distances. I would think with his knowledge and experience he’d still be a pretty good QB even if his arm was only average or below – but not one worth the biggest contract in the league.
I expect the big question for the coming weeks is whether it is possible to work out a new deal that accounts for the new realities.
Damn, just when I was accepting Peyton being gone
This tiny ray of hope still causes me to pause and reflect on what ifs. What if Peyton got it together, Irsay kicked in for the remaining 4 years, and they did trade the Lucky Pick for a bushel of premium draft picks. Still reshape the defense through the draft and free agency, but probably say bye-bye to quite a few older favorite vets.
After all, who’s to say that Luck is the only elite QB prospect to come along in the next few years?
As cool as this could be, reality kicks in and reminds me that the franchise just has to move on and not let sentiment get in the way of progress. New GM that I like. New head coach that I like. New OC that I like (and yeah, he WAS Peyton’s first QB coach). New philosophy and franchise direction. Balanced cap spending on BOTH sides of the ball. Aggressive, ass-kicking defense and no more mushy Tampa-2.
So long Peyton. It HAS been magical to watch you perform your craft, at a level only you have ever reached. Live long and prosper ! :-)
If manning is kept, the colts would be handcuffed in free agency and would have to pretty much rely on the draft to retool, the good ol Polian way.
by Colts609 on Jan 31, 2012 6:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Or the Ted Thompson and Packers way
And they certainly look awful going forward…….
by udllama on Jan 31, 2012 9:03 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
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by dezznutz1001 on Feb 2, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
this line
After all, who’s to say that Luck is the only elite QB prospect to come along in the next few years?
i have been arguing this for months now…Why does everyone act like there wont be anymore good Qb’s…Qb’s are WHAT the game is all about now…the FACT is, there will be even MORE cant miss Qb’s in the near future…the NFL is this countries FAVORITE sport…
being a NFL QB is sexier than being “LIKE MIKE” these days
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So have I dez, but . . .
. . . .while my heart says trade the pick, my head keeps answering -"No, you dope ! Draft Luck and move on! "
What a crappy year this has been.
by oldecoltsfan on Jan 31, 2012 6:16 PM EST up reply actions
Yes it has. sigh
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by dezznutz1001 on Feb 2, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
There will be 3-5 a season
High schools and colleges run the spread and pro offenses at a greater rate than before. QBs come out ready every year. Look at the last five years. Stafford, Ryan, Flacco, Newton, and Dalton. There are just more quality QBs available, now. With this much talent at the position, it comes down to protection and getting the guy who fits your system. If Peyton is retained, I will be absolutely irate if they don’t trade the pick.
by PeytonTheManning on Jan 31, 2012 6:34 PM EST up reply actions
Kiper on Luck
"Andrew Luck is the best quarterback grade I’ve given in 35 years of doing this," Kiper said. "Andrew Luck is viewed as a more athletic Peyton Manning. You cannot pass on Andrew Luck. I haven’t given a grade as high as Luck since 1983 and that was John Elway."
by Coltsfan1345 on Jan 31, 2012 6:48 PM EST up reply actions
YES Thank you
Kiper’s opinion is wrong as much as right. Tobin was right. The guy has never worn a jock in his life. He is nothing more than a stats man. Who thinks he is a Pro scout.
Except he his 3 highest grades of all time for QBs were in this order:
1. John Elway
2. Andrew Luck
3. Jim Kelly
Both those guys are hall of famers. He is wrong often when he gives someone a 94 grade and they turn out to suck, but he’s only given 1 other 99 at the QB position in 30 years and it was Elway.
by Coltsfan1345 on Jan 31, 2012 7:58 PM EST up reply actions
What did he grade Leaf???
In the past TWO DECADES there have been (12) QBs drafted #1 overall… of those 12, only 2 have won a Superbowl… Peyton and Eli. Obviously QB play is more important in today’s game than it was 20 years ago, but my point is this… the best QB drafted in each of the past 20 years often wasn’t enough to get their team to the Superbowl. Rothlisburger and Brady have 5 rings combined, neither was taken #1, but both were drafted by teams that had better balance. TRADE the #1 pick, build up the defense (get some balance) and when Peyton retires, trade up for your next franchise QB. That Freshman at Washington actually outplayed RG3 in the Alamo Bowl.
by James Busch on Jan 31, 2012 8:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It took Elway a career to finally win a SB. Jim Kelly? Give me a break. Sure he made it to the SB 4 times. How many did he win? They had a great TEAM, that is how they got there. I for one, am not ready to wait possibly Lucks career to see my TEAM get to another SB. And again 99. Just another # from a stat man.
Don't grade QBs on how many super bowls they won
by Coltsfan1345 on Jan 31, 2012 11:06 PM EST up reply actions
Mel Kiper is an idiot
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by dezznutz1001 on Feb 2, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
There will be 3-5 a season ?
Wow ! Seriously, 3-5 elite level quarterbacks a season ? Man, I am almost 63 , and a Colts fan for most of ’em, and there have barely been 3-5 elite quarterbacks that entire time (that were believed to be elite before they shit the bed).
Maybe 1-2 every few years going forward, but that would be incredibly optimisitic.
by oldecoltsfan on Jan 31, 2012 6:50 PM EST up reply actions
Didn't say elite
Quarterbacks aren’t elite as prospects. They become elite by being on a team with good protection, passing options, and the right scheme for theme. In your 63 years there have been more QBs flame out due to being in the wrong situation than there has been guys who reached their potential. Luck can be rated as highly as any draft pundit wants to rate him. It doesn’t mean he will be in the right environment to make him great. The Colts could pick up one of the 3-5 QBs who have the skills and tools to develop into a good starter in the right system.
by PeytonTheManning on Feb 1, 2012 12:11 AM EST up reply actions
wrong
there is such a thing as an elite prospect.
that doesnt mean he will be an elite pro. it could though
I said he's not an elite quarterback
He’s just an elite prospect. QBs develop into being elite within the right system.
by PeytonTheManning on Feb 1, 2012 9:22 PM EST up reply actions
If elite QBs are so abundant
then why is there only one PM and Tom Brady? BTW what makes you think the Colts will be in position to draft another if and when one comes along? FYI You don’t throw away an opportunity to draft a QB like Luck on a whim that “you can get one a few years down the road.” That’s what teams like the Cleveland Browns and Kansas City Chiefs do.
Insurance!
Trade the pick to Cleveland and Colts will have 2 #1’s next year(Gaining there #1 next year in trade). One of them will be top 10 or better as Cleveland will suck even with Luck. Surely Colts would be able to pick up 1 of the 2 or 3 NEXT GREAT QB’s that will be available next year. If things go south or Manning has issues. Wouldn’t that be enough insurance to take the risk?
ummm
There’s only one Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, Mathew Stafford… Do you remember what Ditka did to get Ricky Williams? You CAN trade up for a QB, and YES, you DO trade a pick, ESPECIALLY when Luck alone will NOT right the ship, but SEVERAL defensive player could plug a lot of holes and potentially save the sinking ship!
by James Busch on Jan 31, 2012 9:05 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
You can't say theres only one
And then name 2 people. Right now, there are a number of great QBs who would be Super Bowl contenders with a good team around them.
Brees (1 SB), Brady (5 appearances), Roethlisberger (3 appearances), Peyton (2 appearances), Eli (2 appearances), Rodgers (1), Stafford (5000 yards), Ryan (playoffs rookie year), Flacco (playoffs every year), Sanchez (perfect example of team play despite having an average QB).
It’s a passing league. College is a passing game, now. High schools play the spread now. QBs aren’t as rare as they used to be. Good teams are. Look at Green Bay, New Orleans, and New England. Bottom tier defenses. Top flight offenses. New England got lucky to get where they are. They other two got exposed. Let’s build a team, not put all of our eggs in Luck’s basket.
by PeytonTheManning on Jan 31, 2012 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
Let's build a team, not put all of our eggs in Luck’s basket.
What does drafting him have to do with building a one man team?
That’s the weakest series of arguments on here. Rodgers just won a SB last year and Brees the year before…so because they didn’t win this year they were exposed?!
(If) you have to replace your HOF QB due to his health then you get the best QB available through the draft or FA…you build a strong defense and get the best coaching you can…
Then the same people want to keep Manning (rightfully so) but which still makes the Colts a one man team. They only won a SB with Manning so based on your logic they should cut Manning and pass on Luck and Maybe draft Kellen Moore and start Orlovsky next season…
Alex Smith and Mark Sanchez stink and their teams would dump them in a heartbeat if thu could get a better QB…but their defensive personel make them contenders…
If think elite QBs grow on trees you are not watching the NFL! And by elite I mean perennial top 1/4 of the league meaning the best 7 or so QBs every year…not necessarily hall of famers
Manning Brady and Brees are def HOF bound. Warner Rothlisberger and Eli are probably going and barring injury so is Rodgers. These are the guys who have played in and won recent SBs…
Yes you dont need to be drafted 1 to be a great QB that’s true…but a 4-5th rounder doesn’t come in and start immediately which is what will be needed if Manning gets cut…Luck is good enough to start now unlike Brady Warner Brees And Rodgers…
It’s a sad day when Colts fan would rather see the franchise go into the toilet because they can’t see someone else other than 18. So instead of rooting for Luck to benefit from a decent offense that’s in place we are hoping to pass on him so we can draft Case Fcking Keenum? And start Orlovsky if Manning can’t play?
Seriously, you would rather cross your fingers that Manning gets his arm strength back and risk starting Dan Orlovsky than draft Luck?! How stupid is that…
by (206)NightRidah on Feb 1, 2012 12:37 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
Never said risk it
I said if Manning is healthy or projected to be by his doctors. There’s no risk there. You’re putting the greatest ever back on the field.
If that’s the case, then trading the pick makes the most sense. The team will have 10 first and second round picks from 2012-2014. There will be 3-5 guys each of those seasons who are very good to great prospects. Most starting QBs are drafted in those two rounds. The Colts would even have the luxury of taking two in the next three seasons while still having extra picks in those rounds.
Then, they would still have 8 other first and second round players added to the roster in three seasons. Those are players who are expected to start or be primary backups in year one. 3rd-7th round players are more hit and miss than the first two rounds, but they do help with depth.
We have a new coach who wants to transition to a new scheme on defense. A scheme which requires guys who are 10-20% bigger at almost every position than the guys we have on our roster. Trading the pick would give him 10 picks instead of 6 in the first two rounds from 2012-2014 in order to bring in some of that talent.
You don’t need an elite QB out of school. You need a guy with the right build, intangibles, and makeup to be a starter. The rest comes down to training and being in the right system. Plain and simple.
Brady was a system QB for the first half of his career. Rodgers sat and tweeked his delivery for 3 years. Brees was average in San Diego, so they let him leave via free agency. The 3 best besides Peyton all excelled thanks to finding the right systems for them.
My biggest point is how many very good QBs there are in the league right now. Having a very good to elitle QB is becoming much more essential.
Look at the list: Peyton, Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Stafford, Ryan, Schaub, Roethlisberger, Rivers, Eli, Romo, and an emerging Newton and Dalton. These are all guys who have shown an ability to be a franchise Qab for years. I didn’t even include Vick, and he has a $100 million contract. Almost half the league has a franchise QB while the other half keeps trying to force the wrong system on guys.
Here are a few of the top QBs who will be available the next two years. Matt Barkley, Landry Jones, Tyler Wilson, Geno Smith, Tyler Bray, Aaron Murray, Casey Pachall, Logan Thomas. Not to mention, there’s always the possibility of trading back up this season to get RGIII.
We could trade down to #6 with Washington. Then, us that pick with one of our second round picks to move back to #2 or #3 to get him. We would still have a top 6 pick in the first two rounds, and the extra picks in 2013-2014. That’s my favorite scenario, since it would satisfy both crowds of Colts fans.
Now as I’ve said numerous times, if Manning’s doctors say he won’t be ready by training camp, then draft Luck. I would be perfectly happy to make the transition, at that point. If his doctors say he will be able to play this year, then trade the pick. There are other QBs in the game besides Luck. They do exist. I understand that, and you apparently do not. How stupid is that?
by PeytonTheManning on Feb 1, 2012 4:53 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Also
Excuse all of my spelling errors. My phone won’t allow me to go back up and proofread everything today. It’s being a real jerk, for some reason.
by PeytonTheManning on Feb 1, 2012 4:58 AM EST up reply actions
Luck is the best option unless Manning is 100%
By March 8…We waited last year and he had a set back and couldn’t play. What’s to say that’s not possible again! If Manning was 100% healthy right now I believe he would say so and also that Irsay would keep him and perhaps pass on Luck which would be the Right move. But when it comes to maybes and 28mil that’s not gonna cut it…
Why not take the best prospect that can step in and play next season?! People like you want to make this a Luck issue and it’s not it’s more of a cap issue. Mannings contract is too big for someone that (may) be ready by training camp…no one gets 50+ mil not to play period.
It just happens that an elite prospect is available which should be looked at as a blessing…Luck could be better than Manning or worse than Leaf…Or what is more likely he will be a very good QB and a Colt for 10-12 years.
With Luck you get a new start and the cap space to get parts and build correctly. He will only cost in the 4.5 mil range for the first 4 years and then have an option year before the mega deal if he is elite. In four years they could be very good again while Manning will likely be retired…
It’s unfortunate that things worked out the way they did but the Colts seem to have an elite prospect to pass the torch to. Peyton is the greatest but even he isn’t worth 28mil when there isn’t a guarantee that his arm strength will be where it needs to be.
I expect Manning to be healthy by fall and play and play well. But it’s time to move forward
by (206)NightRidah on Feb 1, 2012 5:22 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I've never made it a Luck issue
I guess people like me aren’t like that. I’ve always had the side that if Manning is 80% or better in March, I’ll take him over any rookie. It doesn’t matter if that rookie was born to a virgin mother. I’ll take an 80% Manning in March, because that means he’s improving (like he stated in his interview yesterday), so he should keep improving until the season starts in September.
A 90% Manning is better than any rookie and 80-90% of NFL QBs. He has a weak triceps. It’s not dead. The surgery was successful. The doctors say he’s on point with the recovery checkpoints. I’ll take a 90% Manning for four years over anybody in the league or draft.
by PeytonTheManning on Feb 1, 2012 8:06 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That's where we differ
Because I wouldn’t take an 80% Manning with no assurance he plays in 2012 at 28mil and the cap hit for the next few years over an elite prospect…
Because if he isnt healthy there is no guarantee and you don’t allocate 1/5 of your cap to someone who may not play for the 2nd consecutive year
by (206)NightRidah on Feb 1, 2012 9:20 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I would say
that Manning at 80% in March will definitely play in September. I would have no doubt about it. If he’s only 60-70%, maybe there’s some doubt. 80 or higher, and he’s going to be out there. He’s throwing the ball, now. He has enough strength in the triceps to do that. If he’s progressing like he said he is, then 80% with 4-6 months to get ready for the season is great. That’s why teams around the league are salivating at the possibility of him getting cut.
by PeytonTheManning on Feb 1, 2012 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
Alex Smith
He’s not awful. There’s no way the 49ers would just trade him away. His completion % has been at or over 60% the last 3 years. He passed for over 3000 yards in a ball control offense, and he only had 5 picks. People tend to forget he’s had a different offensive scheme every year he has been in the league. He’s a perfect example of what I’ve been saying. There are very good QBs who are forced into the wrong system, so they look bad. Alex Smith was good this year. He looked very good in that playoff victory. I was very impressed with a few throws on that game winning drive. I wouldn’t jump the gun on saying he’s no good. He has the perfect coach to help him keep moving forward.
Sanchez has benefitted greatly from his D. I could see the Jets going for an upgrade on him. He was overrated coming out of school. Even Pete Carroll told him not to leave yet. He should be clipboarding it very soon.
by PeytonTheManning on Feb 1, 2012 5:10 AM EST up reply actions
Have you seen Smiths #s?!
58% completion
68TDs
58INTs
76 Rating
From a #1 pick?!?!?! Over 6 years
His breakout season is 17TDs 5Pics? That’s deplorable and the reason I won’t continue this debate. If you think Smith is a viable QB then you are nuts.
Guys that win SBs like Brees Both Mannings Brady Rodgers throw at least 17TDs by mid season. SF has a ball control offense for a reason. Their QB is not very good. Yes he played better this year and was used more properly but he isn’t near elite…
You want to draft a guy with Smiths talent level and develop him over a six year period?! When you could draft someone who will probably come in next year and throw for 3000 yds and near 20TDs as a rookie…
by (206)NightRidah on Feb 1, 2012 5:34 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
nice selective vision
I see you didn’t bother to notice the part about him having a different coordinator every single season. He also had 1 TD to 11INTs his rookie year. Take that out, and he has 67 TDs and 47 picks. They played a ball control offense this season, because it was yet another new offense for the team. They also lack a plethora of playmakers like Green Bay and New Orleans. 3000 yards, 17 TDs, 5 picks, and a playoff victory is a great season especially under those circumstances.
58% includes his awful rookie season at 50%. Still, 58% is better than Elway’s career completion percentage under 57.
Everybody wants to call him a bust, because his coaches early on kept switching things on him and pulling him when he didn’t immediately adapt. He’s 27 with a coach who will be there for a while. He made a number of big plays this year. He looks just like Brady did in his early years. The fact that you are ready to
call him awful after actually looking at the numbers
means you’re the one who is nuts.
3000 yards with only 5 picks is more than enough to win a Super Bowl with a great defense and running game. I won’t be shocked at all to see them re-sign him, and watch him move on to the 3700-4000 yard range. They just need to get him another target or two, and protect him better. He was sacked nearly 50 times, and led the league in that category. If they drop that to 30, he probably adds another 300-500 yards by being in better passing situations and fewer third and longs.
by PeytonTheManning on Feb 1, 2012 7:45 AM EST up reply actions
Take out his rookie season?!
You are what your stats say you are…in this case a bad QB
by (206)NightRidah on Feb 1, 2012 8:27 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Please note anyone reading this that this guy compared Alex Smith to Tom Brady...
Lololololol!
by (206)NightRidah on Feb 1, 2012 8:34 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
peytonthemanning is a one trick pony
and that is all over mannings nuts
a bad QB, taken #1 overall in the draft...
Sounds familiar!
Tom Brady
Brady at 26:
60.2% 3620 yards 23 TDs 12 INTs
Brady at 27:
60.8% 3692 yards 28 TD 14INTs
Smith at 27:
61.3% 3144 yards 17 TD 5 INTs
Looks like he’s in good company for his age.
by PeytonTheManning on Feb 1, 2012 7:55 AM EST up reply actions
If he was any good SF would be giving him a 4-5 yr deal
Not a two year lowball offer as reported.
Would you want Alex Smith to be the Colts QB? Absolutely not!
If Andrew Luck puts up those kinda of numbers he will be gone after one contract or even sooner
by (206)NightRidah on Feb 1, 2012 8:30 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Everybody, please note
I just successfully backed up my comparison of Alex Smith to Tom Brady. Lolololololol!!!
At the same age, their stats are incredibly similar with Brady turning the ball over one more time every other game. I’ll take 500 fewer passing yards for 9 fewer picks, and a higher completion percentage.
The only difference between the two is the 49ers defense didn’t carry him to a Super Bowl. If they had, the story this week would be the emergence of Alex Smith after years of being tossed from one scheme to the next.
by PeytonTheManning on Feb 1, 2012 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
NO QB can be good
when they switsh the Offense on him every year. He also has no pass catchers save Vernon Davis
Go Blue!
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by dezznutz1001 on Feb 2, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
Teams win Not players,.
Just wanted to add GB Packers and NO Saints won Superbowls. NOT A Rodgers and D Brees. They were just key parts of there teams. Also Luck is an Elite prospect NOT Elite PRO QB.
Also
They would be in position by having 2 first round draft picks the next two years. Either one pick will be high enough, or you trade them to move up and get your guy. That’s the luxury of having so many first and second round picks. Even if they trade two to move up, they would still have an extra first and two extra seconds. That’s if they only get the rumored haul. I’m sure a couple mid-round picks could find their way in there in a bidding war involving Washington.
by PeytonTheManning on Jan 31, 2012 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
Even if Peyton retires...
Trading Luck makes sense when you’re changing defensive schemes and you need more than a QB to do that! The extra picks would shorten the transition from 2-3 years to nearly immediately. Look at what the Texans did. Through the draft and free agency they went from back of the pack to nearly the top defensively in just a year!
Bingo
The Colts could have a top 10 defense with a solid NT and CB. A SS would be nice, as well, but those two would be good enough with the hybrid scheme. The confusion they could cause with Freeney, Mathis, Nevis, Hughes, and Wheeler would be good enough to take team from giving up 27 per game this year down closer to 19-20. Not to mention, having an offense that can sustain drives will lead to the defense being on the field less. Our defense was on the field the fifth most plays, and the longest amount of time of any team. They were out there over a minute more per game than the next team.
Everybody forgets that we have 3 Pro Bowlers (Freeney, Bethea, and hopefully Mathis), and a guy who could be at that level very soon (Angerer). With the right scheme, and a couple of quality additions, this defense can be serviceable next season.
by PeytonTheManning on Feb 1, 2012 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
I meant Conner
Not Wheeler. He’s solid, but Conner looks better to me.
by PeytonTheManning on Feb 1, 2012 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
wrong james
trading luck doesnt make any sense at all.
get the qb and then build the team. thats how it is done. not the other way around. every gm out there will tell you that you dont pass on a franchise qb.
Get over it fans...
If Manning is in fact 100% he will stay…
If he isn’t 100% which still seems to be the case he won’t stay. We have all seen the cap implications if they sign him and he can’t play anymore. The Colts are not going to risk blowing 1/3 of their cap to get him off the books if he cant play…which basically is franchise suicide…
Hopefully he IS healthy and can stay that’s what we all want…
But you dummies that keep crying about how Luck isn’t proven are missing the point!
This isn’t an Andrew Luck thing! 0% of people think he is Jesus Christ or should be brought in over a 100% Manning!
This is a salary cap thing!!! Its not Irsays fault the cap is structured the way it is…you can’t risk paying that bonus and them having to use roughly 40mil of the cap the next two year to get him off the books of he can’t play…
No one with any sense runs a business like this! If Manning isn’t sure and 100% by the deadline he HAS to go! If some of you people can’t understand the cap then that’s just to had…
Hopefully he stays and wins! That’s what we all want…but no one is kicking him to the curb
by (206)NightRidah on Jan 31, 2012 6:20 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I admire your obvious passion, NightRidah
I, however, think that the majority of Colts fans get it. It is a cap issue that Irsay must make the correct call on. The facts themselves, and Jim’s stewardship of his franchise, will remove any sentiment from this pending decision and part ways with Peyton Manning. It will be a crappy day when it happens, but it will be the most responsible call Jim could possibly make.
by oldecoltsfan on Jan 31, 2012 6:26 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Some of these guys would rather see
Finally a reasonable opinion!
BTW: if he is healthy I expect him to really kick some butt
by (206)NightRidah on Jan 31, 2012 6:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Harold Goodwin named offensive line coach after 5 years as offensive assistant with Pittsburgh.
by Colts609 on Jan 31, 2012 6:45 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Harold Goodwin
Want more info. Got link?
by oldecoltsfan on Jan 31, 2012 7:08 PM EST up reply actions
Goodwin new offensive line coach per Colts Authority site
Curious choice, but will wait to uncover more info. Hopefully, a “genius” choice by new regime of Pagano and Grigson.
by oldecoltsfan on Jan 31, 2012 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
For A Fact
Peyton will b a Colt nxt year!!!!!
by Marvelous Marvin on Jan 31, 2012 6:51 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I feel like there's a lot of "facts" that are being thrown around,
when, in reality the only “fact” is that Peyton has not been released yet, the Colts have the number 1 pick in the draft, and Irsay has a difficult decision.
We really don’t have any other facts.
I am a college student that sleeps with a St. Louis Cardinals Fredbird Pillow Pet, and I am proud of it.
by Sir Sci on Jan 31, 2012 8:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Hope
Let’s just hope that if he does part ways, it truly will be in the best interests of the Colts and #18….that is your last sentence…….I simply do not agree with you….no need to say more it is hopeless to argue the point…..I am all about Manning and the Colts till his last day is he is healthy….bring on Luck too….
"win-win"
The best thing for both parties (Colts and Peyton) is to split. Colts will be able to rebuild with a relatively cheap stud QB, save a bunch of cap money (needed to rebuild) and restart a dynasty. Peyton, if healthy, will have the opportunity to go to a team that can immediately be competitive. It’s a classis win-win situation, and this is what will be discussed in Irsay/peyton meeting, that the best thing for both may be to split, and they will do it in a classy way.
most likely scenario
I’m thinking that’s most likely what’s going to occur. And if that’s the case, I can live with it, but until he retires I will be a Manning fan first! Without Manning the Colts there’s no Lucas Oil Stadium, no Super Bowl XLVI in Indy, and likely no Colts in Indy! I’ll root for him to win another ring or two, and about the time he retires, I’ll HOPE the Colts are done with their rebuilding, the defense is ranked in the top 10, and Luck didn’t evolve into the latest draft bust. Let’s face it, if healthy, Manning WILL go to a contender, and the Colts aren’t likely to be one for the next several years without him!
I agree coltsgolfbeer
I think you are onto something, and I really love your handle. Am golfer, aided by beer. Let’s all be classy, just like Jim and Peyton (and Andrew).
wow
If u think Irsay will release even a 75% healthy manning u r jus a complete idiot Irsay LOVES manning
by Marvelous Marvin on Jan 31, 2012 7:08 PM EST via mobile reply actions
You do realize release from the current contract...
Doesn’t mean they can’t redo a cap friendly deal…
No way he pays 28mil if Manning is 75% which is the current structure of the contract
by (206)NightRidah on Jan 31, 2012 9:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I am a confirmed idiot
Just ask my ex-wives ! :-) btw – I love Manning, too.
Lifetime personal service contract
One of these things negotiated quietly and respectfully in Jim’s office between he and Peyton over a bevy of adult beverages. Peyton has the freedom to do NFL Network gigs, ESPN gigs, all sorts of NFL PR gigs as well as Peyton does advertising and SNL gigs.
But, through all the fog and mist and tears of post-partum, he has his lifelong relationship with Mr. James Irsay locked and loaded.
Just one forseeable future.
toolman, my heart agrees with you completely
but, it sure doesn’t look thataway. I would be dancing in the streets and doing cartwheels if Peyton was able to play out the string in the blue-and-white. He is such an incredible treat to watch carve defenses up. But, as in most walks of life, the money and its permeations will dictate the outcome of this painful drama.
The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Or the one.
by oldecoltsfan on Jan 31, 2012 8:25 PM EST up reply actions
Honestly Taking This At Face Value Is Ridiculous
What do you expect Peyton Manning to say? That he DOESN’T want the Colts to pay him $90 million – including $26 million this year – which is much more than he will make anywhere else? Or if the Colts do release him, that he DOESN’T want to maximize his value by depicting himself as being healthy and motivated as possible?
And last – but not least – that he DOESN’T want to maximize the pressure on Irsay NOT to release him, because – again – he will make FAR more money in Indianapolis than anywhere else? People, if Indianapolis retains him, Manning gets almost the entire $90 million (if only because the Colts won’t be able to afford to release him because of the cap acceleration) WHETHER HE PASSES A PHYSICAL OR NOT. I repeat: if Manning can swing enough public opinion his way to prevent Irsay from cutting him on March 1, MANNING WILL GET THE BALANCE OF HIS $90 MILLION EVEN IF HE NEVER PICKS UP ANOTHER FOOTBALL AGAIN IN HIS LIFE. But if Irsay cuts Manning, MANNING WILL HAVE TO PASS A PHYSICAL BEFORE HE GETS A CENT, AND EVEN IF HE IS PERFECTLY HEALTHY, HE’D BE LUCKY TO GET HALF OF WHAT HE IS GETTING IN INDY.
It is simple economics. Manning isn’t as valuable to other franchises as he is to Indy. No other franchise has “the house that Peyton built”, no other franchise was kept from moving to L.A. by Manning, no other franchise has a roster built to maximize Peyton’s strengths and hide his weaknesses. TO EVERY OTHER TEAM IN THE LEAGUE, Manning is a 36 year old QB with declining skills, 4 good years left AT BEST (the oldest QB to win a Super Bowl was John Elway at 38, and Elway had a lot more mobility and arm strength left at 38 than Manning does now) AND A SEVERE INJURY RISK.
Yes, Miami, San Fran, the Jets, the Broncos etc. want Peyton. But bad enough to blow up their teams to create room to get him? Of course not. If they get Manning, Manning will have to play for whatever cap room they have available. Manning knows this. And Manning knows that by putting out this “I do not plan to retire” (which we already knew) and “rehab is going fine” (without giving any details or specifics as to what “fine” means i.e. when he will be able to start a game in the NFL again) he was going to provoke precisely this reaction: a ton of Manning fans claiming that they should use the #1 pick to get back to the Super Bowl.
Bottom line: by putting out this statement, Manning is being a politician. Maybe it is because he needs to counter the negative statements by Peter King, Yahoo Sports and similar. And maybe those negative statements were leaked by Irsay and company. So what? First off, why AUTOMATICALLY take the word of Manning over the Colts organization? Siding with Irsay and the Colts doesn’t make Manning a liar, only engaging in wishful thinking about his physical condition in order to keep playing a game that he loves and is making him a ton of money, which is VERY COMMON among athletes.
Second: you are NUTS if you don’t believe that Manning is doing his level best to hold onto as much of that $90 million contract as he possibly can. Again: if Manning can win this stare down with Irsay, he gets most of the $90 million even if he never plays another down. If Irsay releases him, he will have to pass a physical before he gets another nickel. And even if he can pass a physical, he naturally wants to maximize the length and value of his new contract by playing up his health and commitment. With that in mind: WHAT DO YOU EXPECT MANNING TO SAY?
People, this is a business. You guys have no problem accepting that when the team dumped Cato June when he was injured, Marvin Harrison when he got too old and slow, and let Tarik Glenn retire rather than redo the contract of a guy who was underpaid his entire career. So why not accept it when it comes to a 36 year old QB with a severe spine injury?
by an_auburn_fan on Jan 31, 2012 8:30 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Finally a voice of reason!
It’s not:
Manning vs Irsay
Manning vs Luck
Irsay vs. Colt Fans
It’s:
Manning vs. The NFL Salary cap…
If there wasnt a cap it would be a pretty easy decision but there is…
If you think Manning is going to make 20mol elsewhere you are kidding yourself!
Which is why it’s best of Irsay and Manning work out a cap friendly one year deal which allows him access to the facility and staff while he rehabs…if he is ready by training camp then he starts…and Luck sits….
If Manning wants his money which is his prerogative, he is going to have to seek it elsewhere and he likely won’t get it from a contender. He will have to go to a desperate franchise to get 20mil per
by (206)NightRidah on Jan 31, 2012 8:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
The cap seems to only be an issue after 2012.
Halsell claims that if Manning is released, the Colts only save $1 million in cap space this year. After that I think the cap hit becomes more troublesome.
100% agree
part about irsay leaking info to peter king is interesting. would be a good p.r. response to manning’s interview with kravitz.
by coltsgolfbeer on Jan 31, 2012 8:45 PM EST up reply actions
Favre
Favre made $16 million at age 40. If they cut him, he could easily turn up another $18 million per year from a team that’s close to winning.
by PeytonTheManning on Jan 31, 2012 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
Yes I would take the word of Manning over the Colts organization at this point in time because really why would Manning lie at this point?
If he can’t play it will be exposed sooner than later. Why would he go through all this trouble for that?
Jimbo has more of an incentive for Manning to retire because he doesn’t want Manning coming back to haunt him on another team and he can move onto Andrew Luck without Manning’s shadow being overcast on the franchise.
Manning would lie for leverage
I’m not suggesting that he is lying, but that’s a reason for doing so.
If the Doctor’s don’t clear him though, it wouldn’t make sense for him to lie because they have the final say anyways. I think Manning could be able to play again, but I don’t think it will be in a timeline that works for the Colts. His continual rehab might not have him at 100% until July, which is of course long past the March 8th deadline. Unfortunately, this sort of scenario I can see very possibly becoming a reality: Manning gets cut, gets healthy, gets signed somewhere else.
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by BoilerUp1982 on Feb 1, 2012 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
I'm in need of clarification.
From what I’ve read/heard, the $28 million is essentially “cash” that Irsay would have to pay Manning for his bonus. If Manning is released, it only saves $1 million from the cap. I know I wouldn’t like to shell out $28 mil to a guy who might not be able to play, but it doesn’t really hurt the cap to keep him for 2012. Everybody’s issue with retaining Manning seems to be focused on how it makes it difficult to draft Luck and build a team of the future around him. Essentially, couldn’t Irsay take a big financial blow, draft Luck, build a team, and keep Manning this season? Then they could evaluate Manning and restructure so future cap hits (post 2012) aren’t devastating or even release him next year if need be.
you are wrong
i dont know where you get your info from but you might want to go and check elsewhere.
Here
http://www.coltsauthority.com/site/content/salary-cap.html
Shows everybody’s cap hit, and even the dead money for cutting them for everybody they could get the full contract info.
Manning’s cap savings would be $6.6 million, if his option isn’t picked up.
by PeytonTheManning on Jan 31, 2012 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
Beat me to it...
We are talking about 44mil overall in wasted cap space…if he signs and then has to retire. Not worth the risk if he is 75% by March 8…
If he is 100% then it’s still a risk but a very reasonable risk to take
by (206)NightRidah on Jan 31, 2012 11:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
One thing's for sure,..
Peyton is getting more coverage than Eli. I doubt he wanted that, but everything on ESPN is mostly Peyton. On a positive note, most of the the media has said that Indy has hit it out of the park so far, as host city.
Clearing up some things
It seems by reading some of these comments, some things aren’t thought out very well. My take.
1. For the love, please stop suggesting Peyton could be traded. His contract was set up pretty much specifically to not be traded. There is not a scenario where the Colts can win trading him. Peyton is not going to restructure, even if he could (which he might not be able to). It will cause a nightmare salary cap bomb which will cause many of you reading this to likely be playing key spots in the team because the Colts won’t be able to afford the backups for a Div III college. Also, if this trade happens, one has to assume that Peyton is 100%, and whatever team he plays for will at least make the playoffs, meaning our 1st round pick that we get from him wouldn’t be that valuable anyways. This is because, once again, the way the contract is set up, trading Peyton before the 2012 draft is not possible because other teams won’t get to evaluate him.
2. Peyton Manning will not be 100% healthy. I think if he were healthy, he would have made it known. He’s progressing IMO and he wants people (especially his next team) to know this. If Peyton is 99% healthy, he’s going to get cut. You cannot risk your team being terrible for 5 years (3 years of salary cap hellz and then 2 years to rebuild) if your 36 year old QB is not 100%.
3. If somehow Peyton checks out to be 100% healthy by March (which is unlikely), I still think there is a 50/50 shot he is kept. By now I believe Jim Irsay knows that his team is in the bottom of the NFL in terms of pure talent. Why do you think he made it a point to get a guy who has an eye for talent? He knows that if he keeps Peyton, he’s going to have to pretty much part with almost all the veterans (Freeney, Mathis, Saturday, Brackett), and he will absolutely need somebody who can bring in talented players that are cheap. Something Polian was extremely good at. In all likelihood though, I believe he’s figured out that keeping Peyton is not going to be feasible. Irsay loves the game, and is truly a fantastic owner, and I think he would love nothing more than to see #18 hang them up after winning one more SB in blue.
4. Peyton Manning probably doesn’t have thoughts about his team sucking, lacking in talent. Peyton is an extremely loyal person (this should be obvious with the way he has carried himself for the past 13 years). In his mind, he feels that he can win the big one with this team. I don’t think this has changed. We all know that isn’t true, but the way athletes like him are wired, they always feel like they can win. It comes with the territory of getting drafted #1 overall.
5. Peyton and Irsay, are still playing the PR game and they both likely know what is going to happen. They are very good friends and although they deny it, I’m almost certain they’ve come to a consensus on his future. It may not be 100% (i.e. we are cutting you), but something along the lines of on Feb 14, if you aren’t medically cleared, this is our decision. Put yourself in their shoes, they win nothing by disclosing their stances. If Irsay says now that he’s been ready to part with Peyton, the fans will be livid because we didn’t give him enough time to know whether or not he truly healed.
6. Gauging by Irsay’s near complete rebuild removing most things known to Manning, and knowing Manning needs consistency at every area in life, this to me is a pretty good indicator of whether or not Irsay feels Manning will be ready. I really doubt that he would have fired (or allowed Grigson to fire) the person who Peyton was specifically working with to rehab if he felt otherwise.
To sum it up, the writing is on the wall, but I don’t think it is that visible unless you really look.
by coltsfanbeforemanning on Feb 1, 2012 9:36 AM EST reply actions
Well
He did win the big one with a team that had quite a few of the same players. They were never much better than they were this season. A quality backup would have gotten 4-7 wins with this roster. Manning would have gotten 9-11. The defense has been bad for a decade. It just got exploited this year with no one to get them the lead. I’m not sure how Colts fans can be so sure that this team will be awful for the next couple of years, and Manning couldn’t overcome a below average defense. He has done it his entire career. Every single season the analysts said the Colts wouldn’t win the divsion. They did it 8 times in 13 years. This team is not much worse than the roster that Manning won an MVP with and took to the Super Bowl. They just didn’t have him running the show.
Also, part of that complete rebuild was bringing back Manning’s first QB coach as offensive coordinator. The writing is there, but it’s not in ink.
by PeytonTheManning on Feb 1, 2012 3:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
What IF?
This is ONLY based on a what IF situation. If Manning was cleared to play and shows that he still can perform at a high level. Do you think it is possible to work out a deal with SF for the #1 pick? I know Smith is not a tier 1 QB, but he is a well above average back-up. If Colts could get him plus #1’s this year and next(As projected to be worth) possibly some defensive help in players. The Colts would have Manning back. If he has issues they would have a decent back(D.O is not) in Smith. Fill some holes on D and have 2 #1’s next year. If the hole Manning thing goes south? They would have the 2 picks next year to trade up for one of the High rated QB’s in that draft. Which look to be very good. SF would love to get there hands on Luck and would probably offer more than they should. All this is a what if senario.
I think that Smith would be too expensive to be a back-up QB
If Manning is cleared to play by March 8th, and is proved to be recovered, then Irsay has said that he will be the Colts starter in 2012.
I still think, if this scenario pans out, that the Colts keep the #1 pick and take Andrew Luck. We’d be investing a lot of dollars into the QB position, but I think that’s what would Irsay will do. Trading the top pick in the event we find ourselves with a healthy and capable Manning on our hands seems like an ideal situation for the right price, but you’d be taking a monstrous gamble that Manning is able to stay healthy throughout this season and the rest of his contract. I know Irsay seems like to type who likes to roll the dice, but that’s one gamble I don’t believe he’ll take.
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Trading Manning won't happen
It’s too detrimental to the Colts’ cap situation.
No trade.
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My “What if” is not trading Manning. It is trading the #1 pick and keeping Manning IF!!! healthy. I agree trading Manning is impossible because of cap.
My bad...
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Im actually hoping they use the Manning Cap space to give Reggie a few more years
At a reasonable price of course. It would be grat for Luck to have Reggie Dallas Collie and Garçon. That would be much note talent than most rookie QBs inherit…
It prob wont happen because they need some LBs and def need an NT
by (206)NightRidah on Feb 1, 2012 5:50 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Nahh
Wayne is nothing more than a great route runner at this point in his career; and I suspect he’ll command much more than he’s worth. I’d sign him to a 2 year/$10 million contract, but I think he’s going to want ~4 years/$25-30 million.
With Dallas, Collie, and Garcon, Luck has at least some talent to work with. I’d much rather see the team address their secondary, DT position, and interior OLine with whatever remaining cap space they have.
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