Peyton Manning CANNOT Move Back Date Of $28 Million Option
by Brad Wells on Jan 8, 2012 11:53 AM EST
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PrintTHE biggest story in the NFL isn't the playoffs or the Super Bowl. It's Peyton Manning and his long-term future with the Indianapolis Colts and the NFL. This story will be an emotional one for fans. As I've always stated, there are more Peyton Manning fans in Indianapolis than Indianapolis Colts fans. Season ticket holders dish out big money to watch a healthy No. 18 play, period.
No healthy No. 18. No motivated fanbase.
Plus, there is the sentimental attachment many of us have towards Big P, or 'Pete' as some call him. We all want to see him win another ring, which would likely cement his legacy as the greatest all-time. Personally, I think that legacy is already cemented, and the 2-14 Manningless Colts of 2011 helped pour the concrete.
But regardless of whatever sentimentality or emotional attachments we all have towards Manning, the reality is that the Colts absolutely must part ways with him before March 8th. It is on that date that the Colts are obligated to pay him $28 million dollars for the 2012 season. If the Colts keep him after that date, then that means their cap situation for 2012 will be completely and utterly screwed. There will be little-to-no talent on this team capable of helping future quarterback Andrew Luck to grow and development.
Yes, that's right. Andrew Luck. The quarterback you are going to watch play next year! Not Peyton Manning.
The news yesterday, via Chris Mortensen of ESPN, is that the Colts will draft Luck No. 1 overall in 2012. Drafting Luck No. 1 means Luck will play Week One. Suggesting anything else is silliness. And no, you shouldn't believe anything Luck, Manning, or even Jim Irsay when they talk publicly about the both quarterbacks coexisting on the same roster. The reality is when you draft a once-in-a-blue-moon prospect like Luck No. 1, he plays. He plays immediately. He plays because he is now the franchise quarterback, not Manning.
For those of you out there who think that Manning can renegotiate his deal with Irsay, that he can move the March 8th deadline back a bit so that the numbers can get worked out, sorry. That's not happening. We either have Manning and his team-killing $28 million salary in 2012, or we don't.
Re questions about Manning/Colts moving back 3/8 date for $28 million option, NFLPA tells me "it can't happen." Complicated language.
— Andrew Brandt (@adbrandt) January 7, 2012
Now, for a moment, forget the money.
Forget the deadlines.
Forget about Andrew Luck.
Forget that, right now, it's likely Peyton can never be healthy enough to play the game again. Just assume, for this next portion, that he's healthy.
Focus solely on two very important, very real facts.
1) Peyton Manning will be 36-years-old in March. He has, maybe, two years of football left in him. He's a competitive guy who wants to win another ring now!
2) The Colts roster is a train wreck. They are now in a rebuilding phase, going younger and have some very strict salary cap issues to contend with.
Indianapolis will not content for a Super Bowl anytime soon, let alone in two years. Everyone knows it. Thus, if you are Manning, why would you want to waste the last two years of your career with a rebuilding team? There will likely be a new head coach here in 2012, and there will certainly be a new G.M. These people will have their own ideas on how to run things. They will also have Andrew Luck to groom and develop. He is their future, not Manning.
For me, as a fan, I know I don't want to see Peyton wasted. Bill Polian and his clueless son wasted three of the best seasons in Peyton's career, from 2007-2009. Had they drafted better, had they signed a key free agent or two, had they hired a coach to replace Tony Dungy who actually knew what he was doing on a sideline, Peyton has his second ring and I'm not writing this article.
This is why I think that not only should the Colts cut Manning before March 8th, I want them to cut him. Hell, I'm begging them to!
Peyton stands no chance to win a Lombardi here. As a Peyton Manning fan, I would prefer he have that opportunity somewhere else.
Would it be weird to see him in another uniform, his large cranium stuffed into a foreign helmet? YES! Absolutely. But, no more weird than seeing Joe Montana (who was an inferior quarterback to Peyton, and I'll say that to any 49ers fans face, thank you) in a Chiefs uniform. Or LaDainian Tomlinson in a Jets uni. Or Emmitt Smith in Cardinals red. Or Jerry Rice playing or Seattle, Denver, and Oakland.
Also, think about this for a second: Name a Hall of Fame worthy quarterback that won two Super Bowls starting for two different teams.
I can't think of one either, though I'm sure there is one in the last 50 years or so. Should Manning accomplish that feat, it would absolutely crown him as greatest ever.
All of this is why, as fans, we gotta let Peyton go. It makes the most sense for all parties involved. I'm sure there will be a few people who refuse to root for the Colts without Manning under center, and to those people I say, "Later chumps!' Manning is probably the greatest player in Colts history, including Baltimore, but the Colts had a legacy before Manning, and with Andrew Luck seemingly coming into the fold, that legacy will actually grow.
Think about that. We get to go from Jim Harbaugh to Peyton Manning to Andrew Luck... who was recruited and coached by Harbaugh at Stanford!
That's fairy tale stuff right now, my friends. You have any idea how pissed off Dolphins, Lions, Broncos, and Jets fans are at us right now? While they have suffered for decades to replace great quarterbacks, we're probably going to have 30-plus years of incredible quarterback play. At the very least, with Luck, the hope is there. In places like Miami and the New York Jets, there is no hope.
My call to all of you is to please see this for what it is: A New Era.
New era's begin by tossing out the old and bringing in the young. For some of us out there who aren't in our twenties anymore, that's a depressing thought, but it's the cycle of life. Best just to accept it. In fact, if you clear your head of all the sentimental nonsense, it actually starts becoming something you look forward to.
I look forward to Andrew Luck and the Colts. I look forward to change. I'm sure Peyton, on some level, is looking forward to it as well. He needs to. And, as fans, we need to let him go. Better for us. Better for him. Better for all.
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I agree. Nicely written article BUT
this article assumes that Luck is going to be awesome. Until you know that Luck is going to be as good as advertised, I can’t see how the Colts let Manning go. The only way you know this is to have Manning and Luck coexist for at least 1-2 years.
Great post...
It’s Andrew Luck guys! They are not rebuilding around Alex Smith, Jamarcus or David freakin Carr.
They are an 8-10 win team with Manning and if healthy. With serious injuries even with Manning they could be a 6-7 win team next year. Seriously, this team lost a game 62-7. Do you really think they are going to a super bowl next season?
Why do some of you want to shoot for a 10-6 season and early playoff exit because that is as good as it gets. This team could be competitive by 2013 with good drafts and FA signings…
by (206)NightRidah on Jan 8, 2012 12:04 PM EST via mobile reply actions
How do you know that for sure
are you an NFL scout?
Go Blue!
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by dezznutz1001 on Jan 8, 2012 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
That Luck wont be another Alex smith, JaMarcus Russell, or David Carr?
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by dezznutz1001 on Jan 8, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Because unlike...
Jamarcus…he isn’t a fat lazy moron that went to a low academic standard school and can read a defense nor to my knowledge is he addicted to snack foods an purple drank
Alex Smith…he didn’t play in a cooky Urban Meyer shotgun spread offense that had sets not used in the NFL. Also he plays against elite defenders in the PAC 12 that will play on Sundays as oppose to Utah at the time.
David Carr…he once again played in a pro style offense at a superior academic institution against elite competition as opposed to San Diego and San Jose State…
No one is saying he will be a HOF’er but I saw TJ Yates win a playoff game yesterday by 21 points because he had a balanced team and excellent playmakers on Defense. I think Andrew Luck will be better than TJ Yates…
by (206)NightRidah on Jan 8, 2012 12:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah
Because guys like Harris, McDonald, Ta’amu and Burfict are not excellent pro prospects on D
by (206)NightRidah on Jan 9, 2012 9:07 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Dalton
Dalton played against NO competition and look at his success this season. not buying that as an argument
If you think...
Beating up on teams like San Diego State, Fresno, SMU, and Rice who have no elite speed or NFL talent on D is the same as playing Oregon, USC, Washington, and ASU who have NFL athletes on D then that’s your choice
by (206)NightRidah on Jan 9, 2012 1:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Pac-12 has elite defenders? LMAO!
You sir, do NOT watch NCAA football do you?
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by dezznutz1001 on Jan 9, 2012 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
You don't
Burfict No. 1 rated LB according to Kiper, Cliff Harris, TJ McDonald. All top 4 at their positions. Not to mention USC’s team which is clearly loaded with NFl talent a team that runs the BUCs scheme because of Monte Kiffin, and Luck excelled against.
YOU DON'T KNOW
but the Colt’s and their scouts have a real good idea of what they are getting. It’s rare that the highest rated player, in many years by the way, is also a QB and the team picking first needs a QB. QBs always are drafted higher than their grade. Luck’s grade merits him as the drafts best player. You couldn’t say that about the other guys you mentioned.
The Colts have “lucked” into a great chance to be competitive pretty quickly. That doesn’t always happen to teams that lose their franchise QBs.
I disagree that we need a QB
We need a #1 WR to replace Reggie more.
We need Secondary help desperately, preferably a shut down type of CB
We need O-line Guards or (a Center to replace Saturday)
We have aging DE’s that if not re-signed (Mathis) will need replaced
If Peyton is 100% its such a waste of a pick or (trade for picks)
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by dezznutz1001 on Jan 9, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
yeah beacuse major injuries have always made us a sub .500 team
except that year we had the most injuries and still made the playoffs and still were a 10 win team
I respect all opinions of others
But IMO this team is older and slower…
Bobby, Kelvin and Marlon are gone, Brackett Clark, Addai, Wayne, and Saturday are still good players but have lost a step…Even Freeney who is still a pro bowler is a little less effective.
The only guys I see that are highly explosive are Mathis and Garçon…
I’m sure you understand that a player at 28 is a different player than at 31. Three years makes a huge difference…
by (206)NightRidah on Jan 8, 2012 4:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Great you can name all the old players
what about brown, carter, tamme, castonzo and maybe ilijana
Freeney and Mathis both have what it takes to continue plus the up and coming linebackers who were great
oh and oh entire draft class we are about to add in
this team isnt that much older and slower it has a weak secondary but in most of the other areas we are overall a better team
running is better, o line is better, linebackers are at least as good, we’ll see if nevis can get healthy and make it better
by C.Settles on Jan 8, 2012 4:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Unproven players...hopefully they will be good but we don't know
by (206)NightRidah on Jan 8, 2012 5:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
uproven yes but not old and slow
your issue was old and slow
Luck is one of those unproven players too but i dont see that stopping everyone from picking him over Manning
So let's say...
You don’t draft Luck, and Maning can’t play anymore or only plays 1-2 years…
What would your QB plan be for the future?
by (206)NightRidah on Jan 8, 2012 5:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Idont know im not really against drafting luck in particular
just think peopl ignore the unproven thing on him more than less high profile positions or people
but i do know QBs come out every year and the next 2 years it looks pretty good for QBs coming out like barkley and such
I pick healthy Manning over Luck and theres always hidden gems like rodgers that wont be #1 overall i dont think all is lost without Luck. He is a great option but not the only successful path
So you don't really have a concrete plan though....
You sound as if you just find whoever is available. That’s not IMO a wise way to set up the next 10yrs
by (206)NightRidah on Jan 8, 2012 6:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
well i dont watch college football actively
so i cant say for certain and imo im not setting up anything since i dont run the franchise therefore i dont have access to the info id need to set up the next 10 years assuming Luck or whoever plays that long i dont see anyone’s plan for if Luck goes down early in his career.
Not having one isnt a wise way to set up a franchise either
Ok so we are doing the whole what if thing...
What if the NFL folds?
What if there is WW3 and Luck is drafted to fight?
What if the sun goes Nova and the world ends?
What is Ailiens invade the earth and establish some other sport?
Reality is that Andrew Luck isn’t a sure thing neither is Manning’s health…It is sure that Manning is aging and in the later stages of his playing career while Luck is many years younger and has less wear and tear.
I guess the front office will establish the odds of success and process accordingly…
by (206)NightRidah on Jan 8, 2012 6:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
i guess if you want to take i that far for no reason
a QB getting hurt isnt that unlikely look at Ben or VIck happens all the time oh wait look at Manning what if this surgery happened 5 years ago?
Why shouldnt we have a good back up just in case?
You say that like every QB lasts as long as Manning
injuries happen all the time especially on this team not sure whyd you muddle a a honest concern with some doomsday scenarios
I think Luck will play and be good
No one plays every game like Manning for a decade plus…
by (206)NightRidah on Jan 8, 2012 6:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
exactly why i said whats the plan if we go with Luck
who is his back up? who is going to win games if he goes down for 1 game or 10 games
If we draft Luck ultimately we need to draft 2 QBs him and one to back him up (or from free agency)
my point is no one wants to make the same mistakes as before yet nobody has pointed out a viable back up for Luck if he is the new starter
by C.Settles on Jan 8, 2012 7:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Any QB needs solid a backup...
Luck won’t cost as much money and gives cap space to sign one. With Manning there would be no cap space. I don’t understand your position
by (206)NightRidah on Jan 8, 2012 7:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
just wondering if anyone has an idea of a viable back up
like an actual name im sure everyone understand we need one
has anyone thought specifically who is good enough to lead this team if Luck goes down
Everyone has all these stats on RG3 and Luck and Barkley is there someone who can be a back up and win games if he has to
Just a question not about that plan of going with Luck not saying anything is wrong with the plan
Keep Dan O and Painter
The one thing about Painter is he cannot play on game day but I’m sure he knows the offense so you keep him as third string. Dan O can keep the house short term. Painter is under contract for another year, next year you draft a young guy to someday serve as a back up and let painter go.
no painter
i would rather everyone not know the offense than keep that kid on the team
so theres no one really specific
thats a good option yet?
just wait till you see someone you like kind of deal?
since theyll all be cheap withe the CBA
I think you have to keep one of the two
But you could take another of the young QBs late in the draft or a UFA. But we should keep Dan O or Painter, my choice would be Dan O.
Backup QB's
The offense is not going to be the same under Luck. Painter knows a 10’th of an offense that Tom Moore and Peyton Manning developed over 12 seasons.
Irsay is clearing house, new GM, new head coach, coordinators, maybe a few holdover John Teerlink comes to mind but that’s it.
Orlovsky wants to try and be a #1 somewhere, and while he really is only a backup who knows if the new regime will want him, and vice-versa.
The Colts will do what most teams do in this day and age: 1. Have a mediocre backup to get you threw a few games (maybe). 2. Get a journeymen vet who’ll play for $1 or $2 million, but you know he can come in and win a few.
Justin from Los Angeles
by Justin in Los Angeles on Jan 9, 2012 12:16 AM EST up reply actions
Orlovsky a starter...lol
He barley should be in the league…
Just because he didn’t puke all over himself like CP doesn’t make him good or even solid…
by (206)NightRidah on Jan 9, 2012 9:08 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Well ole Danny O's delusional...
because he thinks he can be a starter in this league.
Maybe the whole “I just want to help prevent another team from going 0-16” went to his head because he was behind center for those two wins.
Justin from Los Angeles
by Justin in Los Angeles on Jan 9, 2012 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
Painter knew the offense
He just didn’t have the tools to run it.
Sorgi knew the offense and was far better than Painter was, but nowhere near Manning’s level.
I’m not saying that Painter/Sorgi or anyone else knew the offense as well as Manning, they didn’t, but Curtis Painter did not have the skill set to run the offense, yet it takes our wonderful head coach and our moronic offensive coordinator 12-13 weeks to determine that we need to change the offense. A good coach would have done that in as soon as Manning goes under the knife for the 2nd time.
If it is Manning & Luck in 2012, then look for UDFA.
If Manning isn’t here, then A vet QB will be needed to assist Luck, and I’m not certain Orlovsky fits that bill.
The only way I see Orlovsky returning is if Manning returns and we trade the draft pick for a package of picks. Even then I could see Orlovsky testing the waters to catch on somewhere else where he would have a better chance of playing.
The offense needs to be revamped with or with a Manning return, and Luck will struggle for some time in the current system, but even then we are one play away from having the same issue again, in this QB heavy system.
by Meat Tuperello on Jan 9, 2012 9:28 AM EST up reply actions
I dont understand this argument
IF Peyton has 3 or 4 more years left, than what is stopping us from finding a QB in the next 3 or 4 years?
I dont get the panic, like there will NEVER be another cant miss QB prospect?
There are quite a few starting QB’s in this league who WERE NOT #1 overall picks!
Theres Quite a few more who were LATER first round or later round picks
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by dezznutz1001 on Jan 9, 2012 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
That's a pretty big if.
Say Manning has, at most, 3 or 4 years left. Clearly this team, as constructed, needs an overhaul. No way can you keep Manning and the huge contracts of over the hill veterans like Brackett and Addai. You can invest big money in Wayne and Mathis either. So, like it or not, even if you keep Manning, you’re still looking at a rebuilding effort at many positions either because of age or lack of talent, which was exposed this year.
So, you trade the number one pick and “load up” on other positions, except it’s going to take a minimum of 2-3 years to “load up” on rookie talent. You would only get one additional first round pick each year for the next three years. By the time these rookies actually start to contribute, Manning will be at the end of his 3-4 year window. Now, you’ve got a team going maybe 8-8 or 9-7 – but you’ve got no QB. Now you’ve got to go find that franchise QB drafting form the middle of the rounds or you start pulling a Redskins or Raiders model and chase the elusive franchise QB from a middle draft position.
No thanks. I hope Manning comes back to the Colts next year, but I don’t see how you rebuild around a QB with health issues and not more than 4 years left at the very most.
You really should listen to NightRidah
C,
NR has very good points. Saturday is hanging it up, he’s pretty much come out and said it, Brackett won’t be back he knows it, Wayne had already lost a step last year, and while I disagree with NR about Freeney (that’s just splitting hairs) how much longer can he or will he want to keep it up , Addai can’t stay healthy, and his greatest asset was when Manning was on the team (3rd down pass protection), but not now.
Plus, Mathis doesn’t seem to think they’ll resign him, but who knows now.
Reggie won’t be back because of the money he wants.
The point being is this team has to many holes to fill to keep the older guys around, including Manning. Hell, they need a SS, a NT, an UT, DB’s, bigger LB’s to rotate in, while they have their X receiver on offense, they will need a Z, they’re set at slot receiver, but they probably need another tight end, they’re going to need a center, and the list goes on.
Plus, if you’re a fan of Manning wouldn’t you like to see him go to a team that’s a QB away from the SB? Chew on this: There is a team in New York whose head coach loves Manning, whose o.c. is going bye-bye, just happens to have Tom Moore on the staff, an above average defense, a running game (despite this year), talent at wide receiver, and after some immature behavior by one of their wide receivers, a possible landing space for Reggie as well (unlikely on that one, but you never know). Wouldn’t you rather Manning go to a place like that, and ride off in the sunset like Elway did then stick around the Colts?
One last thing: When you call the secondary weak, remember you’re including Antoine Bethea in that sentence. He’s been a stud since the day he was drafted, he can play both F.S. and S.S., blitz, lay the wood, and stand MJD up at the goal line by himself. The man is in the same class as Freeney, Mathis, etc.
Justin from Los Angeles
by Justin in Los Angeles on Jan 9, 2012 1:21 AM EST up reply actions
Antoine is a beast
Its Sad that there is no one else in the secondary worth a damn and he is out there trying to make plays alone…
I actually could see the drafting a ball hawk FS like Robert Lester and moving Bethea to SS
by (206)NightRidah on Jan 9, 2012 9:12 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, I agree...
Yeah, he is a beast. That play against Jacksonville was a perfect example. Here you have Bethea single-handedly stand up MJD, and then on the next play the defense basically lets Jones-Drew stroll into the end-zone. Unbelievable.
Irsay has said he wants a more aggressive defense, man coverage, more blitzing (you know the kind of defensive that Larry Coyer wanted to run) So, I think that drafting Lester would be an excellent move. He’s got a good 3" on Bethea which would really help back there.
I like the idea of using Robert Lester playing in a single high safety kind of role, and using Bethea as the SS/tweener.
The nice thing about Bethea is you can do a lot of different things with him: delayed blitzes, rotate him down on running plays , show blitz and then drop him into coverage.
Too bad Lester is not eligible until 2013.
Justin from Los Angeles
by Justin in Los Angeles on Jan 9, 2012 11:28 PM EST up reply actions
Reality Check
This team is not going to be competitive for another 3 years. Because that’s what it takes for a rebuilding team to find the right parts. I wish Manning all the best I hope he does win another ring. As for LUCK I will always be a skecptic, he has big shoes to fill and I can tell you now that the path to failure in Colts Fans and sports writers eyes are already set. This would rank to Andrew as the worst team to be drafted by. For the next 13 years he will be compared to Manning worse wearing the same uniform, As Manning is to Unitas, Luck is to Manning and frankly Manning is the best that there ever will be in the sport.
Why are you a skecptic ? I guess you were a skectic when Manning came out too
Of course he is going to be looked but so is any QB that takes over for a legend and its dumb to say the Colts would be the worst team to go to. He has a a good background, a football family, coached by pro coaches and has been in the limelight, he will be just fine and while Manning is Very, Very good…the same was said about Unitas, Elway and others..its Lucks turn and we don’t know how he is going to be.
It's better to have tried and failed...
than to have never tried at all. Talk about a bunch of ninnies. Thankfully Luck isn’t a ninnie.
What – are the Colts not supposed to have a QB for 10 years so nobody has to follow Manning? Luck is actually the fourth QB to follow Manning anyway – Collins, Painter and Orvolosky have already played the good soldier role. It’s Luck’s time to define himself.
you must be a yankees, patriots, red wings, lakers, and steelers fan
because you obviously have no idea how to stick with your “favorite team” when things aren’t so certain. how does the rodgers/ favre situation fit into your theory?
yep. good job
it is time to move on from manning. whether he is healthy or not
Because some of you will probably ask...
I think Denver is the best place for Peyton to go.
1) They are a QB away from being championship caliber. Their defense is awesome. Their o-line is strong. Their coaching staff is smart.
2) Elway would do for Manning what Shanahan did for Elway: Help him win a Super Bowl at 36.
3) Denver is far away from Indianapolis.
4) Colts do not play the Broncos in the regular season next year.
5) Denver has the cap space
and finally…
6) What better way to shut up all the dumb Tebow zealots than to rope in Peyton Manning
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Brad...
Do you think Manning plays for another team If he could only get to 80-85% of what he was? I could see him playing for a contending team if fully healthy and making a serious run at a SB, but I think if he is not physically able to be the superstar caliber QB he is used to that he would hang em up…
I just can’t see Manning as a game manager throwing the ball 18-23 times a game for 170 yards and one TD.
by (206)NightRidah on Jan 8, 2012 12:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
'Do you think Manning plays for another team If he could only get to 80-85% of what he was?'
Honestly, I don’t know.
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It has already been proven
Peyton played hurt in 2010 and won 10 games. You can blame it on the rash of skill position injuries that year, but he was not at the same level. He won 10 games with virtually the exact same team that could only win two without him (I’d argue despite GOD AWFUL quarterback play all season, the offensive line was better this year than last). If he becomes a free agent and joins a team that has a clue, I can unquestionably see him winning a Super Bowl within two years.
by ATX Colts Fan on Jan 8, 2012 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
and i could see him
making that team one and done in the playoffs
Peyton is hardly the reason
The Colts have been one and done in the playoffs so many times and this past season should tell you why, Peyton has not ever had an awesome team around him and his play has made every part of the team look better than it really was. Some playoff losses can be attributed to him not putting up points but past 2004 it’s been mostly the defense getting punched in the fartbox and drunk placekickers.
by ATX Colts Fan on Jan 8, 2012 2:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
manning was a part of every playoff one and done
to say otherwise is just foolish. i never said he was the only reason.
Just as long
as you are blaming Brady for the past 3 playoff losses by the Pats. And every other QB for that matter when their team loses in the playoffs.
I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.
i blame the team
it is rare when a player escapes the blame. for example if a corner got a couple picks and gave up no big plays, he was probably ok
Luck sucks too then
He lost to Oregon and lost the bowl game to OK State
I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.
Disagree...
They had a shorter window of being loaded than they should have…but from 04-07 they were pretty loaded on both sided of the ball…
They had a HOF RB, 2 HOF WRs, a HOF DE, a DPOY SS, along with an all pro DE, C and 2 solid CBs…
They just didn’t get it done in some big games. They could have easily won three out of four SBs during that span
by (206)NightRidah on Jan 8, 2012 4:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The following people would like to have a word with you
Mike Vanderjagt
Marvin Harrison
Kenton Keith
Jerry Hughes
Jim Caldwell
I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.
I think 49ers are best case
I beleive if he were to walk he should go to the 49ers, they have the Defense to win it, but lacking in QB play.
Other than that i think he may possibly avoid NFC because his brother is there. The jets is out of the question because the patriots are there, nor any of the team in steelers and ravens group.
That would leave raiders, chiefs are likely place he would go.
If Peyton goes to 49ers.. i would be the happiest ...
since i can go to all the home games…
Colts fans can just watch Luck doing his Luck things… whatever that is.
by Manning4ever on Jan 11, 2012 2:17 AM EST up reply actions
ugh, duh yeah!
Peyton has been playing at 80-85% the last 3 previous seasons, thats WHAT the surgery was about, getting his arm strength back to near 100%.
SMH, Peytons career is NOT over, any such talk is not logical. Spock told me it wasnt, and you dont disagree with the logic of a Vulcan
Go Blue!
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by dezznutz1001 on Jan 8, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Likely his career is over...
As a Colt
by (206)NightRidah on Jan 8, 2012 1:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
honestly i think the time off can really do miracles for Peyton
That was my 1st thought when i learned he would be out for season…. facts, most football players come back to play 3-5 years w-o any re-injuries or the same issue. Problem is the time-frame and deadline… i bet you Peyton will be 100% or more before beginning of the 2012 season… as most medical professionals project max 12 months as recovery time for pro athletes or less… now he is only at 3.5 months… and prob 5.5 months in March.. that is the issue, NOT Peyton’s eventual recovery.
Imagine he had this surgery back in February…. wonder if you guys are so into Luck if that is the case. Also, the last 2 surgeries are for the same problem…. not 3 different problems. anyhow… it is frustrating to talk logic to fans whose team dived from 10-6 to 2-14….. so.. have to find some logical persons to converse with….
by Manning4ever on Jan 11, 2012 2:22 AM EST up reply actions
i agree peyton would accomplish more with the colts than he would with another team next year.
regardless of health. Here he has no learning curve/chemistry issues to deal with, whereas anywhere else he would. The new GM head coach can come in with a priority of building around Manning.
Being in politics is like being a football coach. You have to be smart enough to understand the game and dumb enough to think it's important. -- Eugene J. McCarthy
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I agree with this article, and I don’t think you can ever milk every great (or exceptional) year out of any player. They all leave with something left to give. I, however, think it would be highly ironic, and not in a good way, if Manning ended up with the Broncos and John Elway after what he did to the Colts. Regardless if it is a great fit for him, I don’t think I would be very happy to see Elway get him after what a terrible thing he did. I can’t recall if the 49ers gave Alex Smith a new contract yet (that’s how out-of-touch this down season has made me), but SF has a great defense, a great running game (maybe aging a bit), some good receivers and TEs, and not a bad return game. And their coach is obviously succeeding. I would suggest that as a great fit. Easy conference to win also. It gives them time to gel. I guess the AFC west is also a pretty weak conference too.
by coxandreweric on Jan 8, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
GOOD POST
and it makes it clear that keeping Manning is financially untenable for the “rebuilding” going forward. If (when) the Colts fail to pick up the $28 million option Manning will be free to sign with another team. The Colts will then eat $16 million in dead money for 2012. Next season will be an off year with a rookie QB learning the ropes but 2013 will be the year for major improvement.
The question of Manning and where he plays is tricky. He can only go to team that is competitive and has some cap room. The problem is how much will a team pay for an aging and injury prone QB. My hunch is not a lot. Any deal would have to be incentive based and Manning may not want to risk his health or legacy. I still think he retires.
i believe
if the colts dont pick up the option on manning, the dead money is 10 somehting million. not 16
Cap # is
10.4 if his option isn’t picked up.
16 million minus the 5.6 credit for the option bonus that we are carried on the 2011 salary cap.
by Meat Tuperello on Jan 9, 2012 8:36 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
What are the cap implications if Manning plays 2 years for the Colts?
Or if he plays next season and then gets injured or otherwise retires?
I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.
DEPENDS
if the Colts exercise the $28 million option or if he agrees to reduce it.
At the current deal, with no reductions
Just wondering if you have access to the numbers because I want to learn more about the situation before I comment further about whether it makes financial sense to keep him or not if he didn’t play out the entire contract.
I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.
2 years, option paid, no reductions?
Would be a 19,200,000 hit if traded/released after 2 years, or 9.6 million in 2014 & 2015 if it happens after 6/1. Any of the #’s below are split into that current year and the following year if it occurs after 6/1.
Year Released Dead Cap Space
2012 prior to the 2012 season $38,400,000.00
2013 prior to the 2013 season $28,800,000.00
2014 prior to the 2014 season $19,200,000.00
2015 prior to the 2015 season $9,600,000.00
by Meat Tuperello on Jan 9, 2012 8:39 AM EST up reply actions
Good, but 49ers may be better
Manning with the 49ers, IMHO, would beat Manning with the Broncos. The 49ers are pretty much elite in every area except QB. Manning with Harbaugh would be an amazing thing to see.
Not Happening
Brad, I agree with everyone of your points except that after what Tebow did on Sunday, there’s no way the Bronco’s bring in another QB, unless the Broncos go up to Foxburough, beat the Patriots, and bring on the apocalypse. Then all bets are off.
Assuming Tebow doesn’t bring on the end of days, a lot of his problems can be corrected in the off-season, like his foot work, and he will only get better next year. Sure, his throwing motion can’t be fixed, but hell, that didn’t stop Farve.
I still like Manning to the Jets, especially with the Tom Moore connection. I haven’t researched their cap space though, so I could be talking out of my ass.
Justin from Los Angeles
by Justin in Los Angeles on Jan 9, 2012 11:49 PM EST up reply actions
As much as it sucks to say this
I totally agree with this point of view. As a huge fan of both the Colts and P Nasty, the best option for him (if he’s healthy) is to go to a contender. The only thing I’m wondering, is if we do in fact cut him, will he hit waivers? If so wouldn’t a bad team be able to pick him up before any others get a chance?
I
think he will be just a straight up unrestricted free agent, free to sign with team of his choice.
agreed
i don’t think Irsay will just cut him. He will let him become unrestricted
If we don't pick up the option
He is a unrestricted free-agent.
If you want to get technical he’s not under contract right now.
by Meat Tuperello on Jan 9, 2012 9:54 PM EST up reply actions
I can't bring myself to agree with this
I became a Colts fan because of Manning, but even after he leaves, I will forever be a Colt fan. I know all of you guys are probably right, but considering that he brought the Colts back to relevance, and delivered a Super Bowl ring, I feel like the front office owes it to him to do everything get him back on the field with as much talent as possible. I know that I’ll get ten thumbs down or whatever, but I hope he comes back as a Colt. You guys are probably right though :(
by ColtRock on Jan 8, 2012 12:10 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
I share your sentiment.
But if sticking by Peyton means we become the laughing stock of the NFL and are lucky to win 10 games a year, I dont want any part of that. I was a fan before Peyton and will be one long after he retires. I am an Indy Colts fan that respects the shit out of Peyton. I dont see Peyton sticking around if it cripples the Colts. There has been nothing in #18s character that will make me believe he would hurt the Colts.
If Russia attacked Turkey from the rear, Do you think Greece would help?
by whardiek on Jan 8, 2012 12:38 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Pretty sure 10-6 would not be the laughing stock
Remember the Pats have no defense and they went 13-3 this year.
I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.
Yeah but
What if they pass on Luck and Manning only plays another year or not at all…
Then who QBs the horse?
by (206)NightRidah on Jan 8, 2012 4:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
What if Luck sucks?
What if Luck suffers a catastrophic injury his rookie year?
What if a tornado levels Lucas Oil Stadium?
If Manning is healthy enough to play, he will play. Other than that, the rest is just speculation and scenarios that are impossible to predict.
I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.
by AceOfSpades on Jan 8, 2012 6:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Odds are...
He will be a good QB at the least…
Also odds are that 36 year old athletes are nearing the end of their careers
by (206)NightRidah on Jan 8, 2012 6:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
coltrock
the problem with that line of thinking is that the colts owe manning something. they dont owe manning anything that isnt part of his contract.
manning had his chances to get a ring with the colts. maybe he gets another shot. i doubt it but i am sure that the colts owe manning nothing
I actually hope he goes
I want him to be the next QB to beat all 32 teams. I would love for a walloping of the colts by the team he plays for. Just as a parting ways thing for him before he leaves NFL. Luck will suck for the next 3 years before he gets better. Look at the Dirty Sanchez his getting worse by the year. 2 post season appearance in first 2 seasons, 1 afc championship and now not even making it. If manning does go to Jets, Sanchez won’t even get to play next season.. lol.
BBS
I’ve been saying this since we found out he wasn’t going to play!!!! I don’t think Peyton does well in a new system. What would work in his favor over there is a strong running game. I don’t have any ties to Peyton Manning so I don’t want to see him leave because it is best for him, i want him to leave because it is best for the Colts. Cut Manning NOW, cut Caldwell. Hire Marc Ross, get in the Jeff Fisher sweepstakes, especially now that I’m hearing that Fisher and Gregg Williams (Saints) might be coming in a two for one deal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dear Mr. Irsay
Don’t fall asleep for the coordinator positions. Please at least talk to Spags and Singletary and let them know you are interested and will contact them again as soon as Ross agrees to a deal. Ideally, Peter Carmichael or Joe Philbin for head coach, Spags as the D coordinator and perhaps Carmichael or Philibin can bring in one of their protoges in to run the offense.
i agree bbs
The only thing I would like to do different is to try and trade Peyton for draft picks. I know a 36 year old qb coming off 3 neck surgeries wont command much on the open market. But, is Peyton able to renegotiate his cpntract? If so, and healthy we could use him for another season. Then, before the 2013 draft try to trade him. Peyton was willing to take a reduced salary this season, and Im pretty sure he would do it again.
If Russia attacked Turkey from the rear, Do you think Greece would help?
by whardiek on Jan 8, 2012 12:30 PM EST via Android app reply actions
Right
But you can type that 1 million times and people still aren’t going to get it for some reason.
I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.
What are the chances that we pay #18 and then trade him for at least 2 first rounders and 2 rounders?
The cap space would be a bitch next year but we could get some talented young guys to help this team move forward. To me, this is the better move
by SpanishColtsFan on Jan 8, 2012 12:34 PM EST via mobile reply actions
It IS way better
if we just cut Peyton Manning, ala Chargers GM Smith did to Sproles, Brees and LT. If we do that then we are giving up a future HOF-er and getting NOTHING in return.
its Completely irresponsible, and it has done NOTHING in helping the Chargers get to the Super Bowl…which is what were talking about, right? No more just making the play-offs, but MULTIPLE Titles
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by dezznutz1001 on Jan 8, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
None
of those guys were 36 and coming off THREE NECK SURGERIES!!!!!!!!!! THREE!!!!!!!! Really, I don’t see any advantage to bringing Peyton back for POSSIBLY 2-3 more seasons!!!!!! I know it is harsh but Irsay and the Colts organization have shown their loyalty and appreciation to the tune of 100 MILLION dollars. Thank you Peyton, but your services are no longer needed. There will be a new sheriff in town!!!!!!
Ugh
Brees was coming of shoulder surgery, of his THROWING arm! So yeah I understand why they wouldnt get much, if anything in return, but the other guys? SMH
His neck is fine btw, its NERVE damage, hes not one hit away from beinf paralyzed
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by dezznutz1001 on Jan 8, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
If his neck was fine he would have not needed 3 surgeries
He may be healed well enough to play again. But I doubt a doctor would say his neck is fine…
by (206)NightRidah on Jan 8, 2012 12:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
One of the surgeries was botched
Does Manning have any recourse against that surgeon?
I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.
Do you have any clue, what a NERVE does?
They are all OVER our body, and are not just in our necks.
The original surgery had to do with removing a bugling disk that had ruptured…Discs protect you nerves, when they dont, it feels like electricity is coursing thru that body part….unfortunately some of the nerves were damaged. Nerve damage repair is UNPREDICTABLE
While this sounds complicated, none of this in anyway can ruin his life with the “one hit to his neck theory” many of you are spewing forth
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by dezznutz1001 on Jan 9, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
oh lol
I just realised that the two devastating players in saints offense are former chargers..
Sproles and Brees. Oh that also might be a reminder that, if you think that Manning will not be as good in a new system, you are kidding yourself. The system is Manning, where he goes everyone gets better as a player.
CAN'T TRADE HIM
If the Colts pick up the $28 million option and then trade him the cap hit to the Colts is $31 million. That will kill the Colts. No team is going to give anything for Manning until they know he’s healthy. A team won’t give up anything since it’s a good bet he will be a free agent.
apparently the Colts have already made it clear....
Will not trade Manning (ESPN).
by mlc2656 on Jan 8, 2012 1:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
spot on.
I doubt Manning would want a trade situation. I think he will be given the option to pick his team. It would be the only logical sense and i suspect Manning may have been the architect of this with his agent ofcourse. Its the only sure thing with his health.
spanish.
I dont know how we can right now. It is known that #18 will fail his physical and continue rehab with team doctors. With that said, #18 would have to make huge improvements in order to pass a physical. If he is able and we have another team desperate for a qb, then we could trade him. There are too many buts and ifs in that scenerio.
If Russia attacked Turkey from the rear, Do you think Greece would help?
by whardiek on Jan 8, 2012 12:44 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
i havent heard that
are you 100% sure peyton would fail a physical..please point me to that article or site or writer who said that. i would love to read it
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by dezznutz1001 on Jan 8, 2012 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
deeznuts.
Im not able to link the articles in my phone, but if you type in peyton manning physical on google,.you will be,able to read.multiple articles. Polian spoke if it before he was fired. Its a good thing for Peyton. He gets to work in the team complex if he fails the physical.
If Russia attacked Turkey from the rear, Do you think Greece would help?
by whardiek on Jan 8, 2012 1:49 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Yes he failed the physical on purpose
But even Polian said that Manning could have passed the physical but they did that so he could work with the team trainers during the offseason.
I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.
During one of his several last interviews before being fired.
He has said it more than once that Manning would fail the physical on purpose to get work in with team trainers.
I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.
IIRC
He said he would fail it, but never said that he would/could pass it.
Manning said he might be able to, but Polian only said that he would fail the physical and work with the team trainers.
by Meat Tuperello on Jan 9, 2012 9:22 AM EST up reply actions
I doubt
Peyton does anything to help out the Colts. Especially signing, and re-doing his contract so the Colts can get a king’s ransom from the team he is traded to. i doubt that very seriously but if that happens great….I honestly believe the Colts need to cut ties sooner rather than later.
What is really bothering me is that Caldwell is still the coach, meanwhile, Irsay hasn’t talked to Fisher, Carmichael, Philbin and any other potential head coaching candidates that are far superior to Caldwell.
Just because everything isn't reported
doesn’t mean that Irsay hasn’t reached out to any coaches.
We’re just going to have to wait this thing out and see what happens but I trust Irsay’s judgement and his due diligence.
I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.
I know he has to be healthy in order for us to trade him I just hope he is
If the colts cannot manage the cap space (dunno if they can) then we should inevitably let Peyton go
by SpanishColtsFan on Jan 8, 2012 12:54 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I can't really think of a reason to keep him...
Unless you are sure he plays 5 years ther than sentiment and for the fans. This is a bad team that needs to plug many holes and also has serious salary cap issues.
I will be happy of they can keep Freeney and Mathis. Everyone else probably needs to go
by (206)NightRidah on Jan 8, 2012 12:58 PM EST via mobile reply actions
if you cant think of a reason to keep him
then you must not having been watching Colts in the last decade or even 2009 you know most 4th quarter comebacks in a single season or how bout 2010 most injuries for the season still made playoffs and 50 seconds from a playoff win
by C.Settles on Jan 8, 2012 4:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
alright then well ill assume it doesnt have anything to do with me
i didnt say anything about the superbowl or the packers
the pack
won the super bowl with as pretty much the same amount of injuries as the colts.
it doesnt matter that they made the playoffs. they should have. and almost winning a playoff game is meaningless
That has nothing to do with keeping Manning or not
if youre saying they shouldnt because the defense gave up the lead after Mannings game wining playoff drive then that makes no sense
My point is Manning did his job and got the lead on his last possession showing hes effective and that a reason to keep him as a response to someone how says they cant think of a single reason why keeping Peyton would be good
Your right
its Peytons fault or Defense cant get off the field
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by dezznutz1001 on Jan 9, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
Because
It’s dumb to have both him
And Luck. If Manning is healthy you go with him and trade the pick. Otherwise you let Manning walk…
I don’t know all the facts about his health neither do you. But it doesn’t seem as if he is 100% healthy at this point…
Passing on Luck without assurance Manning plays 5 years is stupid…
by (206)NightRidah on Jan 8, 2012 5:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
but you said you cant think of a reason to keep him
I didnt bring up the Luck situation because i dont know what will happen but i think its weird that you cant think of 1 reason to keep a healthy Peyton
You must be illiterate...
Read the entire post…
If you can
by (206)NightRidah on Jan 8, 2012 5:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I read your original post and that post
I can’t really think of a reason to keep him…
those are your words
like i said there are plenty of reasons to keep a healthy Manning
Maybe work on your discussing instead of your lame insults
Unless you are sure he plays 5 years ther than sentiment and for the fans
this sentence is impossible nothing is a sure thing therefore there is no reason to keep him in your opinion
but yeah illiterate totally
by C.Settles on Jan 8, 2012 5:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Once again...
If he only plays 1-2 years or not at all and you pass on Luck what is your plan for QB?
by (206)NightRidah on Jan 8, 2012 6:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
this isnt about QB plan or Luck
the topic was is there any good reason to keep Manning you said no i said yes
once again nothing about what you said has anything to do with the simple fact that there arre good reasons to keep a healthy Manning
there will be other QBs if you dont go with Luck and for the record i didnt say anything about drafting or passing up Luck
Honestly my plan for QB is let the owner and GM do the high paid jobs that they have and make the moves to keep the team winning
If he is healthy and plans an is able to play 4-5 years
Then that’s a different story. I don’t personally know if he is and the risk seems too high for me but I respect your opinion
by (206)NightRidah on Jan 8, 2012 6:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
if he comes back then he feels like he can finish out his contract
thats a risk id take with a new gm and coaches means they will set up the team differently or we wouldve just stuck with Polian
Everyone says oh 1 and done but they frget this isnt Polian run Colts anymore this could be just the change the team needs to truly have some success
I believe his contract is 4 more years so if cant play at least 3 of them at his level the obviously hes done but if he can i say go with him
That's my exact point...
If he can play 4-5 yrs and he is medically cleared to be healthy it’s a serious debate and Personally Id take Manning
If he is unsure and may only play 1-2 years I don’t want them to pass on Luck
Or they could trade Luck for RG3 and some extra picks and have Manning and a great prospect who needs to sit a year or two anyways
by (206)NightRidah on Jan 8, 2012 7:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
and i agree with everything you said
the only problem was that you said there is no good reason to keep him unless you are sure he can play for 5 years
Id say theres good reason to keep him if they believe he can play out 3-4 years id take the risk even if i was 90% sure
as long as they had a plan to replace him when that happens
U know for sure 100% that Peyton will only have 2 years?
And that Luck will be the only QB in the future of football to ever be Peyton’esque?
LMAO, there will be another cant miss QB prospect in next years draft!
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by dezznutz1001 on Jan 9, 2012 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
Yes they may be a can't miss..thats not the problem
The problem is can you get that guy when its your turn to pick.
i don't agree
i understand everyone is saying “Luck will start, Peyton is done” but i don’t think its that simple. i think irsay will straight up tell Luck “you will have to wait 2 years or so in order to start. are you comfortable with that?” and if Luck says no, then we move on to RG3 or someone BUT this is ONLY if Peyton wants to and can play again in Indy otherwise, just take Luck…but i believe Peyton will be in Colts uniform in 2012
ITS A VVVVVVCCCCCCCCCCC THREEEEEEEEEEEEE
SO SHOULD
the Colts pick up Manning $28 million option? Huge risk to the team if he can’t perform at the level he used to.
So here's the problem
We don’t know yet whether he can perform at the level he used to and we won’t know until March 8 when the doctors will have decided if his nerves have regenerated enough to be able to project with any medical certainty that he can be healthy in 2012 and beyond.
So everything else at this point is just speculation.
I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.
not really
we know what he will be getting paid
so we can say that it isnt a smart business move to pick up his option
So
what if you were a Pats fan and the Pats had a chance to get Luck (first pick). Would you give up on Brady, who probably still has 4 good years left, because you just want to reset the franchise QB situation, even though Brady would be healthy enough to compete at the highest level for 3-4 more years, simply because Luck would be cheaper?
I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.
yes
but i dont think brady is that great to begin with
Your bias
is truly impacting you ability to think logically about this situation
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by dezznutz1001 on Jan 9, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
Plus a few weeks ago BBS wrote that Manning right now can run and throw but not 100 percent and has been working out
So Peyton should probably be OK for the start of next season
by SpanishColtsFan on Jan 8, 2012 12:59 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Correct
in fact, Addai told reporters the zip he had on the ball he thought peyton could have played teh Jagz game
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by dezznutz1001 on Jan 9, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
My way or the highway...
Just because you say something over and over again does not mean speculation will turn into reality. So basically, this article says…if you do not subscribe to my point of view, you are an idiot?
Andrew Luck is not Jesus. Stop making him out to be so, please.
andrew luck is not jesus. if he was i am sure that fg wouldnt have been missed
but he is the best qb prospect out there and we can go get him. to want to just throw that away does make you an idiot
Right...
I have heard people say trade the pick and draft Wheedon or Moore because I am sure they will be just as good and ready to play immediately in case Manning can’t.
Or maybe they can play Orlovsky because he won two games…lol!
by (206)NightRidah on Jan 8, 2012 1:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
right
what are the best teams in the nfl?
pats, packers and saints
what do those teams have in common.
hint: it isnt a qb like kellen fucking moore
It's really laughable...
That there are serious Colt fans that think grooming Kirk Cousins, Kellen Moore or Case Keenum to take over is a good idea!
The only other option is a package that lands picks and RG3 if you want to keep Manning an even still the cap number is too high for a player that may or may not be healthy for the long haul.
Also guys realize the Aaron Rodgers make 7.5 million a year. Once GB pays him 20mil per they will not be able to retain their depth same with NO.
by (206)NightRidah on Jan 8, 2012 1:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Your argument about who are the best teams is debateable.
SF and PITT would beg to differ, and one of them has an overrated QB, the other, a QB who has been called nothing but a game manager.
Yes, the league is a pass-first league now, but there are many places to find QBs.
by AnotherWriter on Jan 8, 2012 6:11 PM EST up reply actions
SF hasn't even won a playoff game yet...
Rothlisberger is a two time SB champ. If Andrew Luck turns out to be Rothlisberger I think Colt fans will be pretty happy
by (206)NightRidah on Jan 8, 2012 6:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If Andrew Luck turns out to be Rothlisberger
It’s likely most fans would be disappointed. Rothlisberger is little above average.
by soforizo on Jan 8, 2012 6:31 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Disappointed in
2 SBs
3 Pro Bowls
165TDs
93 passer rating
And that’s 1/2 of his career
If that’s above average then sign me up!
by (206)NightRidah on Jan 8, 2012 7:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He isn't in the same league as the other QBs mentioned.
Not until recently did he start really being a viable QB option, someone who puts up high numbers. Like Brady early, he was a role player on a very solid team. SF has proven they’re a good team this year, though. They’ve done it without a franchise QB who carries them is my point.
by AnotherWriter on Jan 8, 2012 7:32 PM EST up reply actions
3 documented rapes
Would be the part colts fans wouldn’t like
i don't give autographs
by muncie_in_this on Jan 9, 2012 12:44 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Rapelisberger
has the WORST QB rating in a SUPER BOWL in league history.
His titles are do to a GREAT Defense AND a stellar run game,only now are they pass first, and look what Denver did to them
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by dezznutz1001 on Jan 9, 2012 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
None of those Qb's are #1 overall picks either omaha
so obvioudly you CAN get QB talent later in the first or in later rounds
Who woulda thunk?
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by dezznutz1001 on Jan 9, 2012 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
This offseason is just terribly gut-wrenching all around
I must admit to starting to come around to the point of view that the Colts MUST move on from the Manning era, and usher in the Luck era. And the motivation for coming to this conclusion is simply financial- even if Peyton could return and play for the Colts at his accustomed level, his cap hit would prohibit the team from putting enough talent around him to make a serious Super Bowl run.
Also, drafting Andrew Luck while keeping Peyton is just too cap suicidal. Both quarterbacks would suffer from talent drain.
Sadly, I have concluded that the team’s best course is to allow Peyton to seek a new team of his choosing, draft Andrew Luck, and put the best team on the field money can buy. I suppose Jim Irsay is leaning in this direction, too. I doubt he likes the idea, but in the best interests of his franchise and its “shareholders”, he has no alternative but to move on to the Luck era. I hope he hits a home run with his GM hire.
Financially, yes it is a sound business decision
It just sucks so much that there would be no closure in this case for us fans…just an offseason sucker punch last year that led to a horrible season and an era cut short by 4-5 years.
I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.
I don't think it would be as easy for Manning to just uproot and move on and still have massive success
the only way that would happen is if the team he goes to completely changes their offense to our offense. Sure they would be competitive, but if there is one thing we know about Peyton is that he values continuity, and to totally disrupt that could have huge side effects on his performance.
Whenever you get stressed, always remember: RDWHAHB
the jets
could move tom moore to offensive coordinator and voila
How could the Jets afford Manning?
Why would Manning want to be playing for the dysfunctional Jets?
Why would he want to share headlines in New York with his own brother?
I just don’t think the Jets are a logical landing spot from a financial OR common sense perspective.
I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.
for starters
tom moore is there
who cares about headlines
and the jets are most logical landing spot. they would be running his system
Um okay
but are the Jets able to afford him?
I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.
why not
who knows what his contract will be with a new team
so you are just being an argumentive a-hole
Nothin NEW to see here
Go Blue!
Revenue - Expenses = Profit
THey wouldn't be running his system
just because Moore is there. I’m sure they’d give him more freedom than the Sanchize, but it isn’t that easy to just pop a system into place and run it effectively.
by AnotherWriter on Jan 8, 2012 6:12 PM EST up reply actions
Peyton Manning fan only, period
Yes, we are many. I am a Peyton Manning fan only. Colts? Who cares?
Be careful what you wish for. Given all the speculation and discussions, I would prefer that Peyton moves on whether it be another team like the Jets etc.(Brad only takes URL images or you would see my Photoshop of 18 in a Jets jersey). Perhaps, next year will be Peyton’s debut as an Offensive Coordinator. The Colts are not an organization that I admire and without Peyton it certainly shows. Peyton will cut you (the Colts) and move on. I could care less what you all have to say about Peyton or me. I only care about Peyton.
Cool!
Why not go to SB Nations PM blog and cheer there then :-)
by (206)NightRidah on Jan 8, 2012 1:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
you sound like my grandma
“he’s such a nice boy, I’ll root for him wherever he goes”
Whenever you get stressed, always remember: RDWHAHB
Then you are on the wrong
fucking site. GTFO.
this article makes me sad
but I think BBS is right. I will always be a colts fan first, but i will cheer for manning wherever he goes, even if its (shudder) the jets.
I hope Peyton decides to retire
That would be the least distasteful option, and a dignified end of an era. Anyone have any idea what the cap ramifications are if he hangs them up before March 8th ?
If he decides to retire, at least it will be as a Colt
I think that means something to Peyton. He sure doesn’t need more money. Retire now and not risk an ugly end to a Hall of Fame career not wearing the horseshoe. Hell, Jim Irsay should sign him to a lifetime contract in whatever capacity within the organization. Why not . . .he sure built Lucas Oil Stadium and made Jim a billionaire. Not to mention how loved he is by all Colts Nation ! That would be just fine with me.
He's working really hard this past season to just retire.
I just don’t think he sees it that way based on his comments and actions.
I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.
Manning would be a good QB coach for Luck for a year or two then move on to broadcast booth
He could teach Luck, help the colts and start setting up his broadcast/network career. I don’t think he sees himself as a OC or head coach.
history
shows that it is very rare that an all time great athlete can be a good coach. for whatever reasons you want to name. there are many.
Agreed
And why the hell would he want to be a coach anyway? Work long hours for little pay (comparably) and little reward? No thanks.
I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.
would he not be a good qb coach?
doesn’t he already have a passing academy? i don’t think he will ever work for this franchise in that role, but i don’t think it’s out of the realm of possibility. there is a long history of ex-players to become coaches in pro sports.
The biggest reason
Is what would be the motivation for him to be a low level coach? He has plenty of money, has 2 young children at home, has accomplished pretty much everything in his career that he could. It just doesn’t make sense for him to do that. Just my opinion.
I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.
these guys are fueled by competition at a level that we will never understand. do u think peyton will be satisfied changing diapers for the rest of his life? he has also said the only 2 positions he could fill in football is qb or coach.
I didn't know he said that about coaching
I would assume he would go into the media world as an “analyst” or work for one of the major networks (CBS, Football Night in America, FOX, NFLN) in some capacity if anything at all.
I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.
of course
what else is there for a big, slow, white dude?
Banking
i don't give autographs
by muncie_in_this on Jan 9, 2012 12:49 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
i can coach
my nephews little league team. by no means does that make me qualified to coach pros. showing kids how to play and teaching them fundamentals and other skills is one thing. coaching douchebag pros is another
plus i am sure its a nice tax write off
maybe he would be a horrible qb coach, omaha
but I bet he’d make a terrific Colts Ambassador at Large, bringing his wit and personality to bear on Colts Nation. Maybe that would be good medicine for Peyton, and ease the fanbase through “Manning Withdrawals” as we all transition into the new regime. Just a thought.
he would be a great pr guy for the colts
but as a football fan in general, i think he would be even better on the nfl network doing analysis and breaking down coaches tape.
NFL Network, huh ?
Well, that IS more macro in concept. He’d reach a wider audience with the Manning charm and wit. "Cut that meat ! Cut that meat ! " I’d sure rather listen to what he has to say than some of those empty-headed morons getting paid to spew their prattle.
He will be sitting in between Dungy and Harrison on SNF as soon as he retires
by (206)NightRidah on Jan 8, 2012 3:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
There would be nobody more sought after for broadcasting than Peyton.
SNF,MNF, etc. When he isn’t so guarded he is the best. I do not see him as a coach (maybe still have his camp) or living in Indy. I think being a communications major in college has been his vison for life after his playing days.
"Great Balls Of Fire, Reggie's Back!"
I’m sure people would want Manning to retire it would ease their fandom however did anyone think he was really going to push that back?
I mean he gains nothing by doing so.
There’s no loyalty in professional sports so if Manning is healthy and can play but not here I wish him well except against us of course.
The Colts need to move on and rebuild its the unfortunate position this team is in right now but it has to be done.
no loyalty??
if there was no loyalty why did irsay A.) want to make manning the highest paid player in the nfl and B.) why did manning in turn tell him to offer less to sign people back to the core of the team. cant really compare the colts to most teams in the nfl
but in reality
manning was still the highest paid player and he still took a contract that eats up way too much cap
There’s still no loyalty in professional sports not in the grand scheme of things if Joe Montana who won multiple SBs in San Francisco can get shown the door so can Manning.
Nobody is exempt here.
Irsay said he wanted to make Manning the highest paid player and yet he also said that he didn’t think a QB should take so much of the cap. Well Jimbo nobody asked you to make him the highest paid player(as if that’s some sort of achievement for him)
why would there be
its a business. if you give 35 years to your company but are no longer producing then you get fired. they dont just owe you a paycheck.
this isnt communist russia, pal
The Colts really
have an opportunity right now to rebuild and be relevant for the next 10-15 years. It might take a year for it all together but I don’t think so if Carmichael is the head coach and Spags is the Dcoordinator. Clear the cap space by letting go of Manning, Addai, Wayne, Brackett, Clark and any other old, high-priced player that is due to eat up cap space. I say keep Mathis and Freeney. I think the secondary is fine with a better pass rush up the middle. I think one or two big DTs would be a lot cheaper than trying to get an expensive CB or SS. I would prefer free agency to fix the DT spot (Red Bryant) and the OL (Marshall Yanda and Carl Nicks). Use the draft to get a QB,WR,SS,KR,TE, RB, WR.
cutting clark and brackett save you next to nothing
it is smarter to just keep them
Ok
well pkg them both up and trade to a team that needs them. Cam or Tebow could use Clark. Maybe Baltimore takes him or Atlanta if Gonzalez retires!!!!!!!!!!!
Not both together
Clark will fetch a 3rd or 4th round pick. Brackett MIGHT get you a 4th or 5th.
Damn
Brackett is becoming more and more worthless and Clark seems to grease his hands with butter before any game that Manning isn’t starting.
I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.
If in full rebuild mode, rather than reload, I agree
But, doubt they can keep both Mathis AND Freeney. Maybe, if they can persuade either/both to do major restructuring of their deals. But, I don’t profess to be any sort of cap guru. I just think if you’re gonna rebuild, then rebuild all the way. Try and convert aging players into the best form of assets you can, and go about rebuilding your roster to fit the new vision. Luck is your footings, then build upward from him and around him.
what is the point
of cutting brackett to save 200 grand? it makes zero sense. same goes for clark. although clark you get a little bit more relief at 1.5 million
Good points...
Move Brackett to the outside…Clark could be a security blanket for Luck as Pollard was to Manning in his early years…
They have to restructure Freeney who has some crazy cap number like 19mil
by (206)NightRidah on Jan 8, 2012 3:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
big p or 'pete'
some of us have also called him ‘Big Sexy’….
WOW
Omaha, why are you even a Colts fan? You are the most negative Colts “fan” I have ever heard (read). I don’t think I have read a single comment by you on this blog that was ever positive. If there is one, please let me know and I can give you an Internet high five.
I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.
there are plenty
i dont find the end of the manning era that positive.
i just tend to reply to things i disagree with. which makes me seem more negative
but no. i dont find peyton manning sexy. and a man calling him that is just weird. i would hope a gay man would have better taste
i am plenty relaxed
doesnt bother me one way or the other what you want to do to peyton manning behind closed doors
i just dont know of one girl that has ever called him sexy
Rebuilding
if we are gonna rebuild, lets just start fresh. i heart peyton and all but im thinking for the future, he has a few years left and if we dont rebuild now then we will tank when he is gone
He wouldn't get to quit on his own terms
That’s what would bug me. It seems like unfinished business.
I was a Colts fan before Manning and will be forever but...
I just dont understand this move. Manning will play 3-4 more years in the NFL and if he has a quality team around him I feel like he can win another Super Bowl. I dont understand all the hype around Andrew Luck. I have watched almost every Stanford game this year and Luck just looks like a decent game manager. The two big games this year they had on National TV he lost. I have no clue why everyone is raving about this guy. RG3 has wayyy more upside in my opinion. The Colts are going to cut Manning, I never thought I would say that but the writing is on the wall. Manning will go to a Washington,Miami,or Seattle and be a contender every year while the Colts will be lucky to win 4-5 games with Luck next year. And personally with Luck I dont see any them being much better than that in the near future. Stanford had a great running game that made Luck look alot better than he was, the Colts dont have that. I love the Colts, but dont expect them being competitive any time soon with Luck. RG3 will be the better pro QB. Just my opinion tho.
within 4 years I see the Colts on their second QB post Manning..
Just dont see it in Luck.
Wow...
A bust and released in four years.
I think fans are too extreme. It’s highly unlikely that he will be in Mannings league as far as greatness, but do you really think he isn’t going to be better than Andy Dalton, Joe Flacco, Jake Locker, Mark Sanchez etc.?
He is probably going to be one of the really good QBs of the next era and a guy who you can count on to make plays but not an all time great…
I will take it…hopefully the Colts will get a defensive genius and scheme it up
by (206)NightRidah on Jan 8, 2012 3:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
You are contradicting yourself
You don’t want Manning because the team will only go 10-6 and make the playoffs but not be a serious SB contender, but you are happy to expect Luck to be an above average QB that you can count on to make plays but not an all time great?
I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.
you cant keep manning forever.
only a fool would expect luck to be manning all over again
How is that contradictory?
Unless we are sure that he can an will play 4-5 more years and is healthy I would take Luck who at worst IMO will be a top 1/3 QB…
You expect Manning to come back and throw for 4500 yds with 37TDs the next five years?
by (206)NightRidah on Jan 8, 2012 4:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
You are aware
That you can win a SB and be competitive for 10 yrs with a QB that is good but not a top 3 in NFL history…
Dont believe me ask
Ben Rothlisberger & Eli Manning
by (206)NightRidah on Jan 8, 2012 4:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
yes you can win a SB without a QB as a #1 pick
So why waste it on one player instead of getting a number of picks and improving the team overall?
So picking a Blue Chip QB is a wasted pick...
They could use Mannings cap space to bring in an influx of talent…
Or they could Trade Luck for RG3 and some picks which solves everyone’s issue and would be my fav option. RG3 sits for a few years and there is no annual circus. But it doesn’t seem like that is on the table from Irsay’s perspective…
Virtually everyone here would rather keep a healthy Manning, but there is no reason to have both him am Luck since Luck is ready to play now. Also, thank option that doesn’t yield Luck or Griffin is too risky as there is no current backup QB in place
by (206)NightRidah on Jan 8, 2012 5:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
we cant just
trade the pick and assure that we get rg3
also rg3 isnt the same caliber of qb. why would anyone want to downgrade at the qb position
I Actually think Griffin will be better...
But Luck is ready to play immediately.
The Could draft Luck for a package and make teams move to get RG3 so they could trade his rights to Indy for Luck’s rights
It won’t happen…but I will say I’d take RG3 the extra picks and Manning over Luck…
But like I said…won’t happen
by (206)NightRidah on Jan 8, 2012 5:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Its possible...
We don’t know. I expect them both to be very good
by (206)NightRidah on Jan 8, 2012 6:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
"But Luck is ready to play"
That sounds a lot like the Manning v Leaf discussion.
"If they want me to be a crazy, emotional, frenzied fan in section 603, then they can't expect me to be reasonable about the business of football"
Probably wouldn't mind if they got picks and RG3
but that’s not going to happen.
I hope they are considering it...
I’d love to have Manning back. I just want to see a viable successor on the roster that has a superstar pedigree and elite talent. Yes QBs can be found late in the draft but they are generally 3-4 year projects. Manning may not have that long…
With RG3, you have a guy ready to take over if Manning can’t play…an a guy that can sit for a few years if Manning can play…
I think it’s ideal!
by (206)NightRidah on Jan 8, 2012 6:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
its not ideal
ideal is getting the best qb possible. thats not rg3
having the best team kills your future?
not sure im in the same boat
as far as ive seen the best team wins and winning is a good thing
i know what you said and if thats not what you meant i cant help you there
i dont see any way your statement makes sense
you can mortgage your future
for a team for a year or two. see the redskins
yeah you could i guess
but what does that have to do with having the best team?
With RG3, you have a guy ready to take over if Manning can’t play…an a guy that can sit for a few years if Manning can play…
seems like a short term and long term plan to me, though i wasnt talking about it specifically
Just having the best team in general is more ideal than just having the best QB
Just a question but what
Makes you think that RGIII wants to sit on the beach behind Manning anymore then Luck. I mean he’s the number two QB in the draft.
Never played in a pro style offense
by (206)NightRidah on Jan 8, 2012 9:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I don’t know why people connect peyton with the redskins when their offense it is west coast offense. That system requires the qb to be very mobile which Peyton not. Jets, Miami I think are the only options.
by k1 on Jan 8, 2012 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
a wise man once said about the "game manager" tag
this was a couple years ago
i dont undestand the term game manager. how is that derogatory? the best game manager in the game is peyton manning. and that guy is pretty damn good
looks to me like you are just throwing shit against a wall
Yeah and Stanford
has what, maybe 2 other NFL quality players on that roster…but were the #4 team in the country?
These Manning must go threads
Bum me out. Not gonna argue about it. I just hate the fucking situation.
peyton has to go
totally agree with the article. it’s very clear what the best decision is for the franchise. i’m not calling anyone an idiot that disagrees with this, but it is clear. i have not read one good scenario that involves peyton in the equation. rebuilding with him is a pipe dream.
i also think it’s really hard to build any franchise around an all world qb. think about what the patriots have become. they are basically what the colts have been the last decade. other than TB, WW, and a couple of good te’s, they r not exploding with talent. tom was not the world-beater he is today when they won their 3 titles. that is a fairly recent evolution.
i also think you don’t have to be a tom or a peyton anymore. since the new rules in the nfl are so tilted toward the offense, we are seeing half the leagues qb’s absolutely torching defenses. 3 guys went over 5 thousand yards and a rookie threw for 4 thousand in the same season! it is a new era in the nfl and in indy. u can thank peyton for all of it. he is probably the reason for the rule changes and the reason we went 2-14 this year.
mel kiper and a lot of other college talent scouts seem to think luck is pretty damn good. i live in the bay area and have seen a lot of the kid and he looks pretty damn good to me. not only are scouts saying he’s the best this year, they say he’s WAY better. i think kiper said he was the best he has scouted since elway. u may hate kiper, but you have to agree that he must be fairly good at what he does.
Kiper is a bum
50% success rate, no accountability….just talks.
I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.
yeah youre right no good scenarios
you know besides that whole 10+ win seasons and been to 2 superbowls and that hes had more rest than ever and will come back refreshed and probably studied more filmthan ever before
we r talking about the future
not the past. i feel your unwavering devotion to pm but snap out of it. not meant as an insult as i can tell u get upset very easily.
you cant predict the future but you can see what he has done in the past
youre saying Manning coming back healthy for the rest of his contract and haveing 4 more chances at a SB is not a good scenario?
you say no good scenario like its absolute i get it hes 36 (farve played much longer) and hes coming off 3 surgeries but remember he needed the surgery so he was hurt last year played all season and still had 10 wins
so if hes not hurt anymore and healed that means better than last year and more like the year before which was 13-3 with a SB appearance right? sounds pretty good to me
Frustrates me that people are so absolute about things
some one reported that addai said Peyton was healthy enough to play in the final game thats a big step
Of course we dont have that info posted on here because its kick Manning out club but if thats true and hes was ready to play even 1 game thats a big factor in whether or not he can come back and means hes recovering at a favorable rate
frustrates me that
people try and pretend they can decipher a word that comes out of addais mouth
Im sure it does like i said someone reported in the comments so idk what he said
maybe you should go tell them that instead of wasting it on me
People age...
If father time got Ali and Jordan it will get Manning also
by (206)NightRidah on Jan 8, 2012 6:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Manning's style of play requires less athleticism
than was needed for those other athletes to remain competitive. I can understand this argument if Manning played like Michael Vick.
future.
you kind of made my point for me. what makes you think he will be able to win even 10 games next year? we all saw just how much talent is on this team this year. this whole discussion is about this teams future. jim irsay (the owner of the team) used the word ‘rebuilding’, that typically means out with the old and in with the new. i think all of us that are saying they need to get rid of him are just accepting the writing on the wall. i think i can speak for everyone when i say peyton is great. i think we all know there will never be anyone quite like him. we all hate to see him go and we appreciate all he has done for this franchise. even knowing all this, he has to go, he has to go, good god almighty he has to go people!
What I'm looking forward to...
No more Painter and no more Orlovsky.
I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.
Amen
After watching this game, I am hoping the GM will be Marc Ross. Giants definitely have a talented roster.
So do the Cowboys
They just have bad coaching and a QB who isn’t ready to take it all on his own shoulders yet.
I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.
i would prefer orlovsky as a backup to manning
ITS A VVVVVVCCCCCCCCCCC THREEEEEEEEEEEEE
by Keysta101 on Jan 8, 2012 6:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Manning
Brad, You have absolutely no concrete proof that Manning will not be with the Colts for 2012!Let’s see how things play out.Even if the Colts are rebuilding Luck would not survive behind our offensive line and running game.We should trade the pick and get as much as we possibly can for it.We could draft more players to plug some of our many holes in the lineup.We can always draft a QB such as the kid from Boise State or Houston to be prepped as Peyton’s backup.If healthy,Peyton is our starter period unless he wants out.Regarding Luck,we know he was good in college but he hasn’t played a down in the NFL.Never be afraid to put an unknown future in a known Manning!Go Colts!
Don't agree with you BBS
But this (and your GM piece) are two of the best articles I’ve seen from you right now.
My question is this….
If Manning were healthy, (100% recovered) and we were not in a position to draft Luck, would Mannings 28 mil contract still be crippling? I don’t really think so personally. That is where we disagree. I may be wrong, but I don’t see the reason for “cap space” if we are going to be rebuilding. By the time we would use the cap space, those guys are already off the books.
Yeah, I'm Shure.
by Music Man on Jan 8, 2012 4:05 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Rec'd
Without Luck in the fold, I don’t think this is a discussion.
I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.
I agree
That 28 mill would just cripple us NEXT year, but thats only If Luck is drafted.
Either way, if we cut Peyton,do fans on her seriously think Luck will take us to the play-ofs? With this squad as its currently constructed?
any tear down and rebuild would take time anyways..it took the Lions 3 season to rebuild. Thats what were lookign a here,. 2-3 years with Luck of str8 losing
Or we keep Peyton and win the next 3-4 years
Go Blue!
Revenue - Expenses = Profit
and then what? where does this get us? all the “let’s keep peyton” people are assuming he will win 10-12 games and a sb for the next 3 yrs. NEWS FLASH, that’s not happening! and then we r left with worse drafting position and without a TOP prospect qb. then u should prepare yourself for 15 yrs of losing….all so we can suck from peyton’s tit for 3 more yrs.
I think you pay Manning and trade him (only if you can really trade the guy).
Then you have another year of losing and another set of high picks. Not too mention the extra picks you potentially get from Manning.
Bam. That’s how you rebuild.
And it's now my sig
by Bronn on May 17, 2011 4:56 PM EDT
is that a fact?
So you get special media attention out there in Omaha do ya?
Go Blue!
Revenue - Expenses = Profit
How about?
Is it possible to keep Manning for next season and then trade him? I am asking the question because I don’t know if this is possible. I would think, the Colts would like to get something for Manning. Let him play a year (if healthy, Manning will win at least 10 games) then move him to some where else for a couple quality draft picks.
There is absolutely
No good reason to keep Manning. The past is the past. Sure he got the numbers, did a lot for the community, blah,blah,blah but he hasn’t done any thing more than any other athlete. This decision is based solely on the future. Manning’s playing years will not go beyond 3 yrs. and that is if he even plays at all!!!!!!!! His contract alone is enough to let him go. It just so happens that all of the stars have aligned for the Colts and the have the opportunity to draft Peyton Manning all over again. Just look at it that way if you are having problems with the Colts letting Manning go. They are drafting him all over again AND they have an opportunity to get a new cast of players to put around him (the right way). Polian in a sense has become old and fallen off his game, heck, he wasn’t even in charge anymore so here is another opportunity to get a “young, fresh, innovative” Polian all over again. NOW IS THE TIME TO PRESS THE RESET BUTTON AND SET THIS FRANCHISE UP FOR SUCCESS FOR THE NEXT 10-15 YRS!!!!!!!
I hope Manning
wins the super bowl next year and is in a Colts uniform.
Sh!t I hope he does that the next three years
….but that doesn’t seem at all realistic right now. I don’t hope the Colts are covering their eyes with one hand, crossing their fingers with their other hand hoping he’ll stay healthy, and signing a $28million check.
I know that would require 3 hands…but that’s not the point.
peac.e
I thought Polian was a great GM 5 years ago.
He became less and less impresive the harder that the best (or 2nd or 3rd best) QB in history had to work to get out of the first round with a mediocore team around him.
Still….I’m very, VERY worried that the firing of Polian means that Irsay is keeping Manning.
Are my fears ill-founded? I fear that Polian was looking at options that would allow us to draft Luck and move Manning in a respectable manner and Polian wants to keep Manning.
Am I looking at this incorrectly?
peac.e
Trade this year and next years number 1 pick for the almighty Tim Tebow.
"Great Balls Of Fire, Reggie's Back!"
Prediction
Based upon the fact that Peyton’s surgery was September, and the average recovery time for nerve damage according to the doctors is 6 to 12 months for those who do recover, I predict that on opening day 2012 both Andrew Luck and Peyton Manning will be at the Colts game. Andrew will be on the field and Peyton will be in the broadcast booth.
Andrew Luck’s clearly the QB to take. RGIII could very well be better than Luck, but right now Luck is the better QB and the smarter pick. The picks that are going to prove most important in this draft are the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round picks.
By the way, it appears not that Manning and Irsay will sit down together to discuss Manning’s future with the team, etc. Manning may very well still have the desire to play football and win another SB, but with 2 kids now, it’s probably best to hang up the cleets (and unfortunately, that is what I think he will end up doing).
Most likely the new GM will be given the ‘bad guy’ task of releasing Peyton when he still can’t pass the physical in March, and then as a free agent he will also fail the physical of other teams. It is quite possible he will be healthy by mid-season. I don’t expect any miracles. I expect three long years of rebuilding; I am focused mainly on who our new GM is going to be. We have a chance to build a new team the right way. Clear out the deadwood who can’t contribute in 2014, reduce the cap hit for 2012, and get draft picks for them! Suffer now, hoist Lombardi in 2015!
disagree with BBS. I want to continue to build around PM with Luck in the wings
I think it’s a bit misleading to emphasize the $28 million figure, as many readers may assume that would be the cap hit for next year, which would actually be “only” $18 million or so. Yes, it will absorb the lion’s share of the cap room, but not all of it if Freeney renegotiates or some of the FAs take hometown deals to keep the band together for the farewell tour of the Peyton Manning Experience.
The Colts are accustomed to drafting at the end of the round. After we take Luck, the pick at the top of the second will feel like a first, and so on down through the rounds. I would argue that, if the next GM is just 5% better at drafting than the departing Polians, you can imagine those picks as being a couple spots sweeter. So we will get our normal draft haul and Luck will seem like a bonus cherry on top.
If we cut 18, our QB situation next year is Luck, backed up by whom, Orlovsky? In aggregate, that is no more solid than 18 backed up by Painter. Doesn’t Luck have 2 all-college linemen protecting him? Shouldn’t we make sure he can stand up to the barrage of 16 NFL games (on our team, with its average OL and its average run game). I’m ready to make a prop bet that Luck equal Manning’s absolutely anomalous 13 years of health
Being in politics is like being a football coach. You have to be smart enough to understand the game and dumb enough to think it's important. -- Eugene J. McCarthy
argh... I bet that Luck DOESN'T equal Manning healthy run.
stupid battery was running out
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Guys…
Unless he decides not to play pro football again (which seems unlikely), Peyton Manning is not going anywhere. I don’t blame you all who think or hope otherwise, it’s all just discussion, but you can take this to the bank. Rebuilding or not, the Colts are going to put the best team on the field that they can next year.
I recommend reading some of the books written by and about the LA Lakers of the 1980s. You’ll see a commonly referenced condition in all those books. “We had a 9/11/15/20 point lead. There were only 2 minutes remaining. But Larry Bird was on the court.” When Larry Bird was on the court, no lead was safe. There were teams up by a seemingly insurmountable lead who KNEW they were going to lose. I know it’s a different sport, but this is the kind of immeasurable talent and competitiveness that you have with Manning on your team. Yeah, the Colts suck. No D-line. Secondary blows. You can score points at will. They average 1.2 yards per carry. The coaches all look clueless and waste all the time outs. But Peyton Manning is on the field, and you’re going to lose anyway, because this is a big game.
The Colts own the rights to that and they’re not letting him go. If he plays, he isn’t going anywhere.
Exactly
Every “get rid of Peyton” fan, is assuming that Luck will come in and takeover and that the 10+ win seasons will just keep on coming.
Thre is no certianty to that theory. Luck could bust.
Peytons NOT a bust
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I don't recall anybody...
stating that they expect Luck to win 10 or more games his first season.
Does anyone think Manning & Luck are both in Indy next year IF...
Manning is first cut due to his health issues. (There’s no way Irsay can pay $28M for a long term contract on anyone with known health issues) Then, resign Petyon to a one year, incentive heavy, contract sort of like SD did with Bob Sanders. Wouldn’t that be more cap friendly upfront, and allow us to sign Luck AND a competitive team around them both? Or, would that still be too much against the cap if Manning had a typical Manning year (stellar)? Do you even think Manning would go for a one year deal to see how his neck resonds? When Irsay says Manning will be starting for the Colts next year, I think of Manning staying on a year by year basis due to his health issues. I don’t consider the 4-year deal as feasible, even if we didn’t draft Luck. Maybe if his contract extension was due up in 6 months, and he was fully healed, but not within the March timetable. Any thoughts? GO COLTS!!!!
by conservativeCaldwell on Jan 9, 2012 12:01 AM EST reply actions
The man who's making the decision (and signing the checks) said...
…that if PM’s healthy, Irsay will try to get him back as a Colt. I see no reason to suspect otherwise.
Having said that, I think PM will retire.
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Why the fuck would he retire?
Why is Peyton Manning going thru ALL the work of re-habbing his injury, if hes gunna just retire?
He doesnt have much time left anyways, so hes NOT gunna sit out ANOTHER year
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I disagree with BBS as well,,,,,but
He has been pretty much right these past two years. I think we can find a way to make it work, but it won’t happen. Sucks ass. One day here. One day not…..no chance for a flameout
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i’ve said it before and i’ll say it again. as objective as i can be (since i am not a colts fan), peyton manning is in my opinion the greatest quarterback of all time—at the very least the greatest i’ve ever seen, and ive seen some good ones—marino, montana,young, kelly, elway.
but what you’re saying in this article is true. i said it months ago. this is a business, and the colts must make a smart business decision. they must let peyton go. they must build around andrew.
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Nice article BUT
You’re completely discounting the idea that Luck might not be as good as everyone is making him out to be. Until you know that Luck is as good as advertised, you cannot move forward into some new era for the Colts.
by NFLFan83 on Jan 10, 2012 11:20 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
agreed....
well… the LUck era can be an era like Peyton’s or an era like Jeff George, or somewhere in between. Luck reminds me of someone who is very talented, very motivated, somewhat smart (well, he is at Stanford, isn’t he?) but something just doesn’t feel very right about him… his interviews after his loss at Fiesta Bowl… one thing, it does seem like he trusts his parents a lot more than we want to admit.. mom and dad is going to lay out everything for this golden boy, i’d say… but anyhow, who knows… ?? This post and a lot others are trying to drum up the Colts fanbase for good reasons…… hence good post for that reason alone.
by Manning4ever on Jan 11, 2012 2:14 AM EST up reply actions
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