Peyton - My Thoughts on the whole matter
I posted this in the comments section of another article, but feel free to read and critique. Go Colts.
It seems by reading some of these comments, some things aren’t thought out very well. My take.
1. For the love, please stop suggesting Peyton could be traded. His contract was set up pretty much specifically to not be traded. There is not a scenario where the Colts can win trading him. Peyton is not going to restructure, even if he could (which he might not be able to). It will cause a nightmare salary cap bomb which will cause many of you reading this to likely be playing key spots in the team because the Colts won’t be able to afford the backups for a Div III college. Also, if this trade happens, one has to assume that Peyton is 100%, and whatever team he plays for will at least make the playoffs, meaning our 1st round pick that we get from him wouldn’t be that valuable anyways. This is because, once again, the way the contract is set up, trading Peyton before the 2012 draft is not possible because other teams won’t get to evaluate him.
2. Peyton Manning will not be 100% healthy. I think if he were healthy, he would have made it known. He’s progressing IMO and he wants people (especially his next team) to know this. If Peyton is 99% healthy, he’s going to get cut. You cannot risk your team being terrible for 5 years (3 years of salary cap hellz and then 2 years to rebuild) if your 36 year old QB is not 100%.
3. If somehow Peyton checks out to be 100% healthy by March (which is unlikely), I still think there is a 50/50 shot he is kept. By now I believe Jim Irsay knows that his team is in the bottom of the NFL in terms of pure talent. Why do you think he made it a point to get a guy who has an eye for talent? He knows that if he keeps Peyton, he’s going to have to pretty much part with almost all the veterans (Freeney, Mathis, Saturday, Brackett), and he will absolutely need somebody who can bring in talented players that are cheap. Something Polian was extremely good at. In all likelihood though, I believe he’s figured out that keeping Peyton is not going to be feasible. Irsay loves the game, and is truly a fantastic owner, and I think he would love nothing more than to see #18 hang them up after winning one more SB in blue.
4. Peyton Manning probably doesn’t have thoughts about his team sucking, lacking in talent. Peyton is an extremely loyal person (this should be obvious with the way he has carried himself for the past 13 years). In his mind, he feels that he can win the big one with this team. I don’t think this has changed. We all know that isn’t true, but the way athletes like him are wired, they always feel like they can win. It comes with the territory of getting drafted #1 overall.
5. Peyton and Irsay, are still playing the PR game and they both likely know what is going to happen. They are very good friends and although they deny it, I’m almost certain they’ve come to a consensus on his future. It may not be 100% (i.e. we are cutting you), but something along the lines of on Feb 14, if you aren’t medically cleared, this is our decision. Put yourself in their shoes, they win nothing by disclosing their stances. If Irsay says now that he’s been ready to part with Peyton, the fans will be livid because we didn’t give him enough time to know whether or not he truly healed.
6. Gauging by Irsay’s near complete rebuild removing most things known to Manning, and knowing Manning needs consistency at every area in life, this to me is a pretty good indicator of whether or not Irsay feels Manning will be ready. I really doubt that he would have fired (or allowed Grigson to fire) the person who Peyton was specifically working with to rehab if he felt otherwise.
To sum it up, the writing is on the wall, but I don’t think it is that visible unless you really look.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Stampede Blue's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Stampede Blue's writers or editors.
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Nice write up
I disagree about #3 – I know the story-book ending has Manning returning to the Colts, but as you pointed out; it would require the team to part ways with nearly every veteran that Manning has been surrounded by – Freeney, Mathis, Saturday, Wayne, maybe even Clark and Addai. It’s hard enough for Manning to deal with an entirely new coaching staff/front office, but he wouldn’t even recognize half of this team next year, let alone a few years from now.
I also disagree with #4 – I think Peyton realizes that this team sucks. The only way for the Colts to really be a SB contender in 2012 is to keep Manning, trade the #1 overall pick, dump some veterans (Brackett, Addai), sign Freeney to an extension, and still hit on all their draft picks. That’s not a very likely scenario, and it still doesn’t help the Colts out long-term. I think we can all agree that IF Manning is playing football next season (with the Colts or some other team), it will be with the sole purpose of winning a Superbowl. Manning, or anyone for that matter, would be completely stupid to believe that his best chance of winning that SB was with the Colts. Look at some of the potential destinations – the Cardinals won 8 games with John Skelton at QB. The Dolphins won 6 games with Matt Moore and Chad Henne at QB (and a bad coach for half the season). The Jets won 8 games with Mark Sanchez at QB. The 49ers made it to the NFCCG with Alex Smith at QB.
I do agree about #5 though. Because of their close relationship, I believe that both Irsay and Manning want to make this decision as easy as possible on each other. Manning not admitting that he’s 100% (whether he is or isn’t), gives Irsay another reason to cut him. Irsay clearing out the front office is another reason for Manning to move on. The writing is on the wall. The 2 sides will part ways amicable sometime between now and March 8th. Then I believe we will know exactly what Manning’s thoughts are. He’ll come out and say he’s at, or close to 100% and fully intends to play football in 2012. Or he can come out and say that he’s rehab isn’t where he wants to be, and that he probably won’t play football again. But none of that news needs to happen before Irsay cuts him.
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good feedback
- - I think Peyton is a stubborn son of a gun, and he believes in his guys to a fault. I at least feel he believes very strongly in the guys on offense with him, and I think he feels the potential. I don’t think you can be a top tier QB and not have those beliefs. Whether or not they are true (which I feel strongly we have a very average offense without #18), is a different matter.
by coltsfanbeforemanning on Feb 1, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
My point is though...
That most of “his guys” are gone.
Polian gone. Caldwell gone. Christiansen demoted.
Wayne likely gone. Saturday likely gone. Addai likely gone. Clark possibly gone. Garcon possibly gone.
It’s very possible that the entire Colts offense will be players that weren’t playing 2 seasons ago. Castanzo/Reitz/Ijalana/replacement/replacement along the OLine. Carter and D. Brown as the RB’s. Who knows at WR. Possibly Tamme at TE if Clark is let go.
So while I agree that Manning is extremely loyal, he no longer has the personal ties to the Indianapolis Colts beyond Jim Irsay.
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My thoughts exactly
It really sucks that Manning won’t be able to retire a Colt. Fortunately or unfortunately, the stars have aligned perfectly this year. The Colts have a terrific opportunity to rebuild this team quicker by releasing a 36yr-old Manning and start building around their QB of the future. Colts fans HATE being in this position, but think about how many teams would LOVE to be in our shoes.
Manning Can Stay If He Wants To Badly Enough
That is the part that everyone keeps leaving out. If Manning is willing to accept Irsay’s terms, he will remain a Colt and retire a Colt, because that is in the best interests of Irsay, Grigson, Pagano and Manning’s replacement (especially if it is Luck).
Manning is just as responsible for making this work as Irsay if he wants to remain in Indianapolis. And were Manning an RB or WR instead of a QB, the very same folks bashing Irsay right now would be backing him, and calling the player “greedy”, “selfish”, “a diva”, and “putting himself above the team and the game” for not wanting to take less money and coexist with his successor.
Not true at all
Irsay fired Bill Polian (Manning’s guy).
Irsay fired Jim Caldwell (Manning’s guy).
Irsay forced T. Moore to leave, I believe (Manning’s guy).
Irsay demoted Christensen (Manning’s guy).
Irsay has put the Colts into rebuilding mode, and a new era – in the words of both Irsay and Grigson.
Irsay has insisted that he will draft Luck #1. (Manning’s made it known that he believes every #1 QB should start right away).
Sure, Manning could return. But he’d be the odd man out. He’d be playing for a new GM, a new Coaching staff, and with a #1 QB sitting behind him. And even then, as we saw this year, Indianapolis Colts would rely solely on Manning to win them 8-12 games.
In an ideal world, Manning would retire a Colt. But Favre would’ve retired a Packer. Montana and Rice as a 49er. Sports isn’t an ideal world. Both Manning and Irsay realize this. No divorce is ever perfect. But this is an opportunity for both sides to come out on top – Manning goes to a team that’s ready to win now. Irsay gets the “next Peyton Manning” and speeds up the re-building process. And they both have a perfect excuse to separate – Manning’s health as he approaches the March 8th deadline.
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What?
Calling Luck the “next Peyton Manning” is a little premature. He has NOT even taking an NFL snap. Can we at least wait and see if he even pans out before you make that jump. Call him the next Manning “prospect” but that is it.
I'm not claiming that lol
I’m just saying that it’d be hard to part ways with Peyton Manning without a successor in place.
By all accounts, Luck can be that successor.
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Looks like time will tell
It looks like that may be the case. You don’t hear Irsay saying much about RG3. To bad, I would like to see that as an option. At least until after the Combine and workouts. Seems by some recent reports, Luck is starting to talk with the media a little. Be curious how that starts to unfold also.

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