The media's hatred towards the "scrambling" QBs will continue...
by BobInBlue on Feb 10, 2012 2:17 PM EST
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I have no doubt that both Griffin and Luck will be successful in the NFL as long as they land into the right situation. Griffin is yet again one of the "scrambling" QBs deemed never to be successful in the NFL solely based how often they ran in the collegiate levels. A lot of this hatred towards these players is due to a poor sample of quarterbacks who didn't amount to elite status in the NFL. Being selected high into the NFL, the "scramble" QB will usually go to one of the worst teams of the NFL. After a year, he will grow a tendency to run to escape the Wilforks or Freeneys of the world. The GM put these players into such a bad postion, one in which they cannot develop as a better passer and become more of a RB. The tendency grows not of the countless of times he ran in college but the poor offensive line which was part of the reason the team is doing poor. Robert, unknown for his intelligence and discipline, will defy the standards of the "run-first" QB if he doesn't get stuck into a place where he is forced to pick either get hit by 240+ pund lineman 25 times a game to throw a pass to a mediocre WR or to escape the pocket using his speed and agility. After the jump, the information which explains why Luck is the right choice.
In the NFL, a few thing determines who is part of the "elite" QBs, the journeymen, the possible journeymen due to not being in the right place ( Gabbert), and the utter failures i.e. Curtis Painter.
Accuracy:
The ability to thread a ball between defenders to a wide receiver which will extend a game winning drive is one of the best way to scout a QB. Robert and Andrew can both deliver a precise ball into the receiver's hand with each player's completion rate increasing per year. According to CBS-sports, Griffin is a weaker pocket passer and likes to travel outside the hash-marks while Luck seems to overvalue his accuracy with firing the ball in double coverage. Winner: Luck.
Strength:
The last play of the Superbowl was decided on a Hail Mary which sailed deep into the end-zone.The Hail Mary was not caught, but it shows the importance of why having a big strong throwing arm is a key to winning big games. Andrew Luck can make the big plays as he shown multiple times in his college career, yet Griffin is the best at throwing it deep down the field. Winner : Griffin
Reading defense with turnover ratio:
Being a Colt's fan, we have seen countless of times when Manning would walk up behind Saturday and then signal about a gazillion signs to panic the defense before taking the ball to either chunk up a solid 4-5 run or a pass to extend the drive. Andrew Luck was given full freedom as a red-shirted sophomore and had success with every 40 attempted throws he would be intercepted while Griffin seemed to have trouble of staring down his receiver he was able to attempt 67 throws before being intercepted. Winner: Luck
Intangibles:
Intangibles is personally the highest thing when it comes to scouting quarterbacks because the type of person the player is decides whether he will continue to push himself or will he let his college success inflate him to explode as of the biggest day 1 busts ex. a certain Raiders QB. Robert Griffin III is the type of player any franchise would want in a QB. His parents are military-oriented and he graduated high school a semester earlier. Finishing with a 3.67 GPA in political science while studying for a Masters in Communication, Griffin is definitely a guy who would study film. Andrew Luck , son of Oliver Luck, is going into the draft with his support of his father who has been and played in the NFL. Winner : Griffin
Unless we trade down or pick Griffin, Luck (or Griffin) will unwillingly and inevitably force the Colts to kick out Manning by drafting him. He will be the franchise player until A) He becomes a bust, B) He suffers a career injury C) He's mediocre and we part ways or D) He becomes the franchise player who hopefully after 13 years with 4 SB rings he retires/ leaves to usher in a new era of Colt's dominance.
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I should have read this post before reading the post labeled “analysis of RG3 as a pick – BUST” and getting all worked-up. I’m a Baylor guy, and you’re description of RG3 is dead-on. I’m also a Colts fan who happens to think Luck makes a little more sense for Indy, but fans shouldn’t be disappointed if the Colts do take Griffin. We’d be getting an amazingly talented quarterback and a worthy leader of the franchise.
my hatred toward "scrambling" Qb's continues
how many super bowls in the last 10 years have been won by “scrambling” qb’s??? 0. enough said. they are too busy killing dogs.
how many "scrambling" QBs in the NFL to
“pocket-passer” QB? Probably about a 30:1. It seems you just hate Vick, who wasn’t even mentioned, to the extent where you hate all scrambling QB. Then when you realize Griffin is not only more educated and talented than Vick is you will realize that he has a pretty solid criminal record.
Each year I hope the Warriors, Colts, Cavs, and the Magic get better yet the opposite happens.
Do aaron rodgers doesn't count?
i don't give autographs
by muncie_in_this on Feb 12, 2012 12:09 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Which offense
How do you know what type offense Colts will be playing? Maybe they are set to play Run and shout if Manning retires. Remember they have a totally new staff. Or are you the new OC?
Read this : It does reflect the views of this particular fan...
If that is not enough, Bruce ran a very pass-oriented team for the Steelers,was reportedly fired to some for not running the ball more, and rarely used a FB which eliminates the “set to play Run” type of offense. He ran a spread offense using the 2 TE sets. If Manning stays than the offense will be the same and who’s the closest to Manning in playing style…. Luck. I’m not a bandwagon Luck fan who thinks he will be a FHOF off the bat and wouldn’t mind keeping Peyton.
Each year I hope the Warriors, Colts, Cavs, and the Magic get better yet the opposite happens.
i gave it an F
no chance that griffin is more of a film room junkie
Why is there no chance
he is more of a film room junkie?
Each year I hope the Warriors, Colts, Cavs, and the Magic get better yet the opposite happens.
because he isnt
the dude doesnt care that much about football. he has already said that being a football player isnt that important to him
luck lives for football.
luck wins and you are wrong
You are just like the people you call Manning fans
rather than Colts fan but instead of Manning you are on Luck’s nuts.
Each year I hope the Warriors, Colts, Cavs, and the Magic get better yet the opposite happens.
not really
i draft luck because it is the smartest move for the franchise. not because i care about him as a person. i dont give a damn about him as a person
let me spell this out for you, bob. maybe you will be the first person to actually understand. i dont have my hopes up though.
1) qb is the colts biggest need
2) luck is the best qb in the draft.
add 1 + 2 and you get
3) the colts should draft andrew luck.
griffin isnt as good as luck and it will be painfully obvious to everyone soon enough. taking griffin and passing on luck is just dumb.
Luck is the BPA whether it's the smartest move
I cannot say as hindsight will have a lot to do with it.
This post was aimed around why scrambling QBs are hated with a bit of why Luck is better than Griffin. When you seem to only talk about LUCK LUCK LUCK it is the reason why many people think you are a Luck fan rather than a Colts fan which goes the same to the Manning fans. I think Luck makes sense but constantly telling people about Luck is annoying.
Each year I hope the Warriors, Colts, Cavs, and the Magic get better yet the opposite happens.
fair enough
people constantly trying to say taking luck isnt the best move is more annoying. if everyone would just use their brains, then we wont have to discuss this anymore.
I think its a tribute to Manning that there are Luck fans.
That means we understand what Manning has meant. How great qb’s can read defenses and change a play call at moments notice. How the ability to be accurate and intelligent in throws far exceeds physical potential. How greatness is only achieved by a diligent study of the game and a relentless attitude towards perfection.
No Luck is not Manning. But what he did in college is what Manning has been doing in the NFL. We only want Luck because he reminds us of the great Peyton.
While RG3 reminds us of mike vick or cam newton.
how do you breathe with your head so much up lucks a**?
you have no ideal what either player REALLY thinks so shut it. luck better get a restraining order against you since I see a recent version of the move “the fan” happening here.
its a football message board
no need to get all fired up.
Lazy analysis.
What proof do you have that Griffin is less of a “film room junkie” than Luck?
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Intangibles are the hardest to measure and I did some research
and besides the usual teammates/family/anyone who knows them that gives statements which i excluded Griffin wins.
Intangibles -not definite or clear to the mind
Each year I hope the Warriors, Colts, Cavs, and the Magic get better yet the opposite happens.
The intangibles section betrays a bias
There is much more info on Griffin. If you included the same high school and GPA in info about Luck and THEN include the NFL insight and grooming from his father, Luck is clearly the winner. This is a huge statement considering how good Griffin is. Ultimately either pick is good, but I have to say when you are going with the future of the franchise, the safe choice wins. Because he has thrown against the tougher competition, because he has been successful with lesser receivers and had to make some really tough decisions and throws, I choose Luck.
Two other thoughts – Luck is pretty darn athletic and can scramble if needed. That is all I would ask of either of these two. Don’t be thinking Griffin can be a Cam Newton type runner – he is too small (skinny, not height). Also, I have not seen much analysis of NFL movement in the pocket. The 3 foot moves that give the extra read to an open receiver are what consistent NFL QB play is all about, not running all over Marion county wearing everyone out. I am curious if either one of these guys has demonstrated real pocket presence.
"If they want me to be a crazy, emotional, frenzied fan in section 603, then they can't expect me to be reasonable about the business of football"
I completely agree
Although physically, RG3 is better, Luck is the clear winner in intangibles. Intanglibles include consistency, making those around you better (the most important part of a quarterback), winning games (actually this is more important), making the right decisions in crunch time, being able to win with long methodical drives, studying and understanding the opposing defenses, being able to handle the media spotlight, being able to divert attention away from yourself (instead of begging for it), being able to see the bigger picture – that there are more important things than winning the heisman… being mature and serious off the field….
The winner of all those is Luck.
If intangible meant “the most potential to show us something we haven’t had any glimpses of yet”… then fine choose RG3. But thats just silly
This is a secret (wary)
but I was going to put it as a tie as intangible could have been biased as I like both and information about intangibles can be very misleading as you either have interviews which anyone can b.s. and teammates/friends who can lie but I chose Griffin anyways due to the fact Luck is the better overall quarterback.
Each year I hope the Warriors, Colts, Cavs, and the Magic get better yet the opposite happens.
I completely agree
Frankly both guys have a great shot and being solid players for years to come.
RG3 is very exciting and I wish him luck (haha). But I just really don’t wanna a spread option offense in Indy or a playbook filled with trick plays or have a QB break out and run 20% of the time (which is bound to happen and should because RG3 has to play to his strengths). Miami or the Browns can have that.
I just want consistency and a sense of security, which is what great pocket passers and play callers do.
Either way, I’m kinda excited for this new era. A fresh start is uncertain… buts theres so much hope and potential
RG3 will be a good quarterback. But Luck’s better.
Can’t we just accept that and move on?
It’s silly that we have this attitude, like the following comment in the post “He will be the franchise player until A) He becomes a bust,”
Why is option A that he will be a bust. As fans… if this is our next QB, we should be excited and embrace him. The rest of the NFL can claim he’s gonna be a bust or that we should go with the lesser QB or whatnot… but our own fanbase?? Come on guys…
I believe both can be great. I mentioned it in the article but
stating the obvious that if drafted he will be kept until he becomes a bust ( my definition of a bust is Painter or a Jamarcus performance) is part of the reality of drafting any players.
Each year I hope the Warriors, Colts, Cavs, and the Magic get better yet the opposite happens.
instead of " becomes" i meant is determined to be.."
Each year I hope the Warriors, Colts, Cavs, and the Magic get better yet the opposite happens.
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