Owner Jim Irsay Fires Back, Says Peyton Manning Not Cleared By Colts
by mgrex03 on Feb 3, 2012 8:39 AM EST
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PrintIn the latest episode of "As The Colts Turn", we get information from Colts Owner Jim Irsay at 1:25 AM last night, just as he was finishing watching Jimmy Fallon from here in Indianapolis:
Peyton has not passed our physical nor has he been cleared to play for The Indianapolis Colts. Team statement coming on Friday.
— Jim Irsay (@JimIrsay) February 3, 2012
This is at least Round 3 of the back and forth between Team Manning and Team Irsay, as Manning's camp released the statement yesterday saying he's been cleared to play by his doctors, and quite frankly it's starting to look very petty on both sides. No matter how many nice things are said about the other party in the media, if both sides really didn't want this to play out in the media, it wouldn't be playing out in the media. But both sides are trying to win the PR battle.
This week should be about the magnificent job the city of Indianapolis is doing hosting this Super Bowl, and both sides are pushing it to the background, as any story involving Peyton Manning will get top-billing, even when the biggest game of the year is just two days away.
More to come when the Colts release their statement. If you were on the fence about whether you thought a divorce was coming, I'm not sure how you can conclude it's not coming now. It's really sad how this is going down, and both sides are to blame.
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My opinion
Irsay has been nothing but a little fucktard over the past few weeks; it seems to me that Irsay doesn’t have the balls to man up and cut Peyton without driving a wedge between the team and #18 first.
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by Z.Pain on Feb 3, 2012 8:46 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
i dont think team will feel broken up about 18s release.
If you listen to them, you can hear their ‘it is what it is’ attitude. Reggie Wayne said even a rebuilding team needs a couple old heads. I don’t think Manning was one of the old heads he was referring to.
by mlc2656 on Feb 3, 2012 9:20 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
except for Garcon?
and everyone who agreed with his tweet you mean?
you know that tweet to make sure Manning is back
IT'S MANNING'S CAMP
that is still driving the story and diverting interest in the Super Bowl. This is Manning’s agent trying to put the Colt’s in a bad light and try to leverage the Colt’s into picking up his option.
Irsay is not stupid. Picking up the option is crazy. Manning will be cut before March 8th and Luck will be chosen.
Sure it is not the media who choses to cover certain stories and ignore others. If they wanted to focus on the SB entirely they can but given how its in Indy and it involves Manning’s brother and rival in his house well obviously he’ll be mentioned.
Point is the SB matchup is rather dull and was more interesting 4 years ago. Rather amusing this was supposed to be the matchup Indy wanted yet if it was the Ravens/Niners would it still be the same lack of coverage?
If people didn’t report that Manning was done(instead of having it come from the horse’s mouth) then this wouldn’t be an issue if he can play I don’t blame him for wanting to clarify that.
I don’t blame Irsay for cutting him but at least handle it professionally(not Twitter)
by CF4L on Feb 3, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
We got enough stories of Gronkowski's ankle
The Manning story is interesting, not just for Colts fans, but for fans of other teams where he could potentially sign. I agree that Ravens/Niners coverage would’ve been more exciting or at least fresh. Getting to know players, et cetera. Brady’s been covered ad nauseum, and Eli has been the talk of this playoffs week after week; so much of it is old news. Still as for the actual game, I rather watch a Giants/Pats SB game over Ravens/Niners anyday.
It's on Mannning, not the media
Look, I’m not going to defend the sports media — they can and will overhype every story they can get their hands on for ratings/web hits/etc.
But the bottom line is that all this hoopla is being driven by Manning. He’s the one who called up Kravitz and the NYT the night before Pagano’s press conference and complained about the organization (“not a good place for healing,” “everyone’s walking on egg shells”), making sure he overshadowed the new coach. He’s the one who’s granting ESPN two-part (i.e. getting to the top of two days’ news cycles) interviews, he’s the one who has doctors coming out with misleading stories like “He’s cleared to play” (which is true, but says nothing about the state of his arm, or if he can play effectively at all).
And yes, Irsay’s largely been dumb enough to take the bait and respond to most of these comments. But he’s not the one routinely seeking out the media to talk about the Manning situation — that’s all Peyton.
No its not Its on the media
since you completely left out the part where the media drove the Manning is retiring story and said he wasnt rehabbing successfully
you think that was Manning? or do you think he should have stayed silent and let everyone believe he was quitting and that they should give up on him
Yeah he said it wasnt a good place for healing and i agree with everyone around you getting fired how are you suppose to focus on being healthy those were his friends people helping him get better people who were part of his rehab
I have no problem with Manning refuting the retirement rumors. But he could have done that without criticizing the team itself via the “Not a good environment” and “walking on eggshells” comments. He also could have kept out of the media these last two weeks, instead of granting ESPN a two-part interview, authorizing the release of his medical information through his doctors, and then having his dad give an interview saying “Peyton never meant to kick up this much fuss this week …”
Bullshit.
I love Peyton for all he’s done for the team and the city, and I always will. But it’s pretty obvious that he’s prioritized his own business affairs above everything else. I won’t complain for the way he’s attempted to overshadow the franchise — even though they’ve always treated him well, they’re the other party in this, so they’re gonna catch some flak. But in that process, Peyton has prioritized himself over the city (and fans) of Indianapolis and his own brother.
He could have easily denied the retirement rumors and kept quiet until after the Super Bowl. It wasn’t like he needed the extra attention — from now (day after SB XLVI) until the Combine, his status will be the top story in the NFL. But instead, he made sure his name was everywhere this week. He dropped media bombs timed perfectly to overshadow everything from the press conference to announce Pagano’s hiring (interviews w/ Kravitz and Battista), to Luck’s one-day appearance in Indy (the release of his medical update on his neck).
None of this means Peyton is a bad guy. But it does indicate that he’s not a saint, and that he is an incredibly savvy and ruthless businessman. When Irsay publicly called Manning a politician, it was a stupid move; it was also the truth.
Why do people pretend this is a serious fight? Or...
“really sad how this is going down”
This is a small disagreement, not the end of the world. And didn’t Dr Watkins release the statement? Is he “Team Manning now”?
Now what would be serious, if someone would intentionally try to kill the interest in Peyton with all the negative rumors.
small disagreement?
Really? Come on.
by coltsfanbeforemanning on Feb 3, 2012 8:54 AM EST up reply actions
Small disagreements
don’t happen through the media during Super Bowl week held in your city.
And yes, Dr. Watkins is “Team Manning”. That doesn’t get released without the consent from Peyton Manning.
Creator and developer of the Winning Stats.
by mgrex03 on Feb 3, 2012 9:50 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
yeah because Manning has control over everything right?
thats why he was pissed when his progress was being leaked out during the season
bottom line is if the team didnt want this to get out they wouldve made it a point to shut everyone up just like they always have
and whos fault is it that everyone saying hes retiring and he gave up? doesnt he have the right to make correction to people lying about him?
There’s a difference between someone around the facility saying " I heard Peyton’s health is so-and-so" or “I saw Peyton and he looked x-and-y,” and a doctor coming out and directly and publicly sharing your medical information. The first scenario can happen at any workplace. The second scenario can only happen if the patient gives his express consent, thanks to HIPAA.
Irsay needs to just release him
get it over with. It’s going to happen anyway. Waiting a month will only serve to tarnish both the image of Peyton and the team.
i wonder
if Irsay has determined that this game needs to stop and that is what the team announcement is on Friday.
by coltsfanbeforemanning on Feb 3, 2012 8:54 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I hate that debate
Manning fans and Colts fans aren’t mutually exclusive for 90% of us.
by JHetfield99 on Feb 3, 2012 8:58 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Don't like this move by Irsay
He is getting kind of ridiculous.
Honest question
Why couldn’t Manning and Condon (i.e. Mort’s sources) just wait until next Tues or Weds to say all of this stuff and not try to overshadow the SB? Manning is the most popular athlete ever to come through Indy and fans and public perception would always have favored him no matter what. Does the Manning camp really need to keep dropping stories to win attention and pull it away from Eli? Quite ridiculous.
As for Irsay, does he need to keep replying to all of this crap? Maybe he feels compelled to. But he was NEVER going to win a PR battle on this with the public. Just wait until next week, you know, what could it hurt. let Manning’s camp continue to spread hot air.
My guess is even though they released that joint-statement last week, the main thing being fought over is Manning’s desire to have “the decision” made in the next 2 weeks like he told ESPN on Tues, and Irsay saying they will wait until the last minute because the contracts says he can. Irsay obviously wants to wait until the season ticket renewal deadline of 3/2 has passed. Manning I assume wants to be a free agent before the rest of the market are free agents so he can do private workouts to show that he can overcome lack of arm strength with smarts and by being savvy.
Even if he was right and Manning wrong, most people are going to side with Manning. Most of the public thought yesterdays hot air was big news and meant Manning was now 100%. I got at least 10 texts from my buddies throughout the midwest saying ~“well now what is Irsay going to do since Manning can play?” Only a small, prob less than 2% of us, junkies who follow the blogs and listen to local sports radio understand how silly and meaningless yesterday’s announcement was. Even local media who should be smarter than that (looking at you Hagan and Callabro) acted like it was huge news yesterday during their sports segment.
In the end, it’s just a dick-measuring contest and I maintain if Peyton of old ever returns it won’t be until the 2013 season that we see it. And because of the cap-hell created by that contract that was worked out in August, Peyton won’t be in Indy in 2012. The only way it’s feasible is if Indy releases him and he re-signs with Indy for much. much less. And it becomes more obvious with time that that is not what Manning wants to do.
I love watching Peyton play but all of these political back-channel tactics of late are getting really old and are going to soon reach Favre-ian irritating proportions if they don’t quit.
by JHetfield99 on Feb 3, 2012 8:57 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
The only thing attributed to Manning is the interview he gave a couple days ago after dozens of rumors about him.
He isn’t making the news. This statement was released by Dr Watkins.
Manning is a control freak...
You don’t think he’s not intimately involved in what Doctors say about him and when it happens?
You're right...
doctors routinely violate HIPAA laws, particularly in high profile ways.
by Yougotme on Feb 3, 2012 9:12 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Disclosing any information regarding your health..
by your health care provider can only happen with your direct authorization. It doesn’t matter what that information is.
Ya, because if a logical argument is provided
What you decide to say is “NO U!”
Good job.
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He gave live updates of the his NFL Network interview
I am a veteran of the Internet - I will suffer fools gladly. And then mock them. And then post cat pictures.
Justr read your summary below
Thanks.
Did he address the awkward and embarrassing timing of all of these leaks and why they couldn’t have waited until next week AFTER his brother’s superbowl? There’s no reason last Friday’s statement shouldn’t have worked alone as a stopping point until after the SB.
He's also Eli and Brees' agent
but all of the questions have been about Manning – he had to know that was going to happen.
I am a veteran of the Internet - I will suffer fools gladly. And then mock them. And then post cat pictures.
Peyton* Manning, that is :)
I am a veteran of the Internet - I will suffer fools gladly. And then mock them. And then post cat pictures.
I agree completely - the timing appeared to be a petty tit-for-tat exchange
The only thing Condon said regarding the timing of his statement was the they release the medical information in response to reports that Manning was unfit to play.
Regarding Irsay’s comment that he wasn’t cleared by Colts doctors, Condon sort of dodged it directly and instead likened the situation to a marriage, and sometimes in marriages you hit some bumps.
I am a veteran of the Internet - I will suffer fools gladly. And then mock them. And then post cat pictures.
THESE GUYS
are playing hardball. There is a lot of money on the table and Manning’s group are going to do everything they can to keep the pressure on the Colts. They are trying to make it as difficult as possible for the Colt’s to release him. Remember, it’s always about the money.
Are you serious
Yea, a doctor put a presser out to TMZ so he can get some free pedi’s this week at the SB.
Manning’s camp is controlling this info. None o this gets released with out the expressed consent of Manning or Condon.
Repetitive much?
You made the exact same baseless claim above, and it’s still wrong. That statement could not come from Manning’s doctor without Manning’s express consent. Otherwise the doctor would be in violation of HIPAA laws and facing legal action.
And you really think it’s coincidence that the story broke the same day Andrew Luck was in town for a Gatorade Sport Science event?
Also i think this is all Tom Condon & his PR Guys. Andrew Luck was in town and stole a lot of the spotlight and it may have been Condons way of trying to return Peyton to the spotlight. But i agree very stupid by both camps. I think RG3 will be interviewed today too, wonder what other news they’re going to release? Youtube videos of Peyton zipping the ball past the 30 yard line?
As confused as a baby in a topless bar.
The only "real" news possible
would be to see those videos of Peyton throwing. Without those, it’s all speculation from everyone.
I’m guessing, though, if Manning was healthy enough to look good throwing the football, we’d have seen it by now.
Creator and developer of the Winning Stats.
i'd love some video of peyton throwing
i don't give autographs
by muncie_in_this on Feb 3, 2012 10:25 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
if nothing else, keeping the lid on this for another week until after the superbowl
would keep Indy in the spotlight that much longer. It would have been better for Irsay to have definitively deferred all discussion of 18 until after he SB, and cite that as the reason, and it would have been acceptable.
Interesting point, Hetfield, about the 3/2 renewal deadline.
Being in politics is like being a football coach. You have to be smart enough to understand the game and dumb enough to think it's important. -- Eugene J. McCarthy
youre right they should of let ther rumors of Manning retiring keep going
they shouldve let everyone keep believing that why should Manning stand up for himself why should he tell us the truth when we already have a lie until the SB is over
why end all the speculation by saying hes fit to play and hes not retiring instead of leaving all these retiring rumors to plague the SB
Screw Manning and giving us the truth and not stupid rumors driven by the media
Last time I checked, Irsay was the owner and the guy that writes the checks
But it is taking two to fight this battle, so do not just blame one person, Manning is no saint about this, he is trying to protect his money.
Irsay is starting to look like an ex-girlfriend
If I can’t have him, then no one can…. Portraying Peyton as damaged goods really necessary? You dont want to keep him, (business,future of the team) reasons? fine , don’t keep him , but this is starting to look like Irsay wants Peyton to retire.
copy.pasting from another comment I made in another pessimistic colt’s blog..
Peyton is optimistic of his day to day progress , Colts need the heath issue to be viewed as worrisome as possible as “business(future)” reasons wont’ be enough to the fans. why? thanks to Irsay twittering , “if Peyton is healthy, he will be a colt” and many other tweets in that regard, now he is finding it hard to say , look Peyton is rehabbing ,we are drafting Luck and rebuilding for the next decade(moving on) Peyton era is done in Indy, Is not health that worries me is performance and cap.
does anyone has stop to think what had been said to Peyton earlier? Is he feeling betrayed? I say this.. Irsay make up your mind a make a decision NOW rather than later and prevent this situation to get out of hands, is divisive, is negative for the image of the horseshoe. Don’t use “Health as an excuse” , be straight forward about the needs of the team and the opportunity for the future(luck) and more important be straight forward with Peyton so he gets the well deserved right to make his own decisions, you owned it to Peyton ,if Peyton is optimistic about his progress so am I..and we fans own respect for Peyton too. and also optimistic about Colts future in a new era. Irsay cut the tweeting please!
"If anything, we want to go out there and step it up. Of course it will be different (without Manning), but it’s one of those things that if it happens, everybody else has to step up. It’s next man up." - Pro Bowl safety Antoine Bethea
by thebossuzzi on Feb 3, 2012 9:05 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
the deadline is march 8th
And perhaps the best business decision is to delay his decision until then. Why should he do it any sooner than he has to? Because the media can’t bring themselves to focus on the Superbowl.
And I don’t understand why people get so bent out of shape over him using twitter. It is what it is.
by mlc2656 on Feb 3, 2012 9:31 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
business?
business? he tweeted it was a “family” decision and not a business one.. I know, you know, we know it is a business decision so why lie?
"If anything, we want to go out there and step it up. Of course it will be different (without Manning), but it’s one of those things that if it happens, everybody else has to step up. It’s next man up." - Pro Bowl safety Antoine Bethea
same reason our motto was 'believe in blue'
irsay manipulates emotions and feelings by saying using words like ‘family’.
he doesnt want to be the bad guy, but he has to be sometimes.
i don't give autographs
by muncie_in_this on Feb 3, 2012 10:34 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Media
The only people to blame is the media drumming up the stories and keeping them pumping out day after day….100’s of times a day…non stop..TV..newspaper….internet….Manning has made 3-4 statements…Irsay 3-4……and the rest is all a bunch of opinions….who can get what story first….who can Tweet first….and on and on..it is really kinda weird that even now as the super Bowl approaches the media tries to pass the blame to Manning and Irsay…it is not them it is everyone else but them stirring the pot….I find it truly pathetic by all media involved ….
the media has always been very pathetic
and they always will be
i don't give autographs
by muncie_in_this on Feb 3, 2012 10:37 AM EST via Android app up reply actions 2 recs
Irsay wont win the PR battle
with the peopel of Indianaplis and surrounding areas no matter what…Its just something you people from NY, Seattle, OMAHA, etc DONT understand
Go Blue!
Revenue - Expenses = Profit
I live in Indianapolis
and have said multiple times Irsay should have shut his mouth weeks ago. I have no doubt had he not fired back the first time, we wouldn’t be dealing with this today.
However, the fact that Manning keeps running stories out, even with no real new news, means he’s being just as bad. That’s why it’s all sad.
Creator and developer of the Winning Stats.
by mgrex03 on Feb 3, 2012 9:57 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
So what?!
I grew up in B’More and my earliest memories are going to Colts games with my father (R.I.P.)…where you complaining when you raped Baltimore of there team? Of course not…
I go to the same bar virtually every week out in Seattle at 10am usually and watch the Colts play…And am usually the only Colt fan there
When I lived in Columbus OH I would make the 3 hr drive to Indy at least once usually twice a year to go to RCA Dome to watch Harbaugh Goose and Faulk. I even went to a preseason game when visiting fam in OH just to see the Luke in person knowing I may not be in the area for a while…
So although the Colts affect Indy the Most…there are a lot of fans not Indy affiliated because the team moved there and the Colts were a known brand from back in the 50s
by (206)NightRidah on Feb 3, 2012 3:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Nepotism suck
No one believed Chris Polian EARNED the GM position for the Colts, yet alone for any NFL franchise. I beleive Irsay felt this much.
Same is true for Irsay. He was born into the circle of NFL owners. He didn’t build his wealth by doing something in his life and then acquired an NFL franchise. He was handed an NFL franchise. He obviously has decided that since he has sobered up that he knows what he is doing. Yeah, without Bill telling him how to conduct himself, look what Irsay is turning into.
STOP tweeting, stop acting like a child with your constant need to one up someone else, grow up and act like a business owner. Personally, I don’t believe he can act like a business owner, because he has never earned his stripes.
Very true, except that Irsay
can’t be fired. We’re stuck with him, and believe it or not, there are much worse owners out there. Most of them are eccentric to some degree. Irsay’s eccentricity comes with a silver spoon though. He’s never had to work for anything. Irsay needs a lesson in public relations. The way he says things doesn’t come off well many times, especially when twitter is involved. Coldly saying that he can’t get sentimental of Manning is not the right way to put things. He should have said something like…..’I’m very sentimental about the whole Manning issue, especially considering everything Manning’s done for me, the Colts and the city. However, tough decisions will have to be made due to financial reasons, injury, etc. and Peyton will be kept informed every step of the way.’
that was a nice statememt
too bad it wasnt from irsay
i don't give autographs
by muncie_in_this on Feb 3, 2012 10:41 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
rich people suck
unless they are peyton manning
i don't give autographs
by muncie_in_this on Feb 3, 2012 10:39 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Passing down something you own to your children sucks?
How very “Red” of you! Marx would be proud
by (206)NightRidah on Feb 3, 2012 4:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
just because they are your child doesn't mean they are qualified to successfully handle your gift
but paris hilton would agree with that you should be set if daddy was set
i don't give autographs
by muncie_in_this on Feb 3, 2012 9:16 PM EST up reply actions
***agree with you that you should***
i don't give autographs
by muncie_in_this on Feb 3, 2012 9:17 PM EST up reply actions
SB, what SB?
For those complaining about 18 overshadowing the SB, it is neither him nor the owner that is to blame, but the media and us! Granted that this is a Colts board, but have you seen anything remotely serious about the SB on here? Come on, lets face it, what happens to our team is far more interesting than the SB. I for one could care less about the Pats or NY (beyond the hope that the Pats get pummeled). I literally live a stone’s throw away from the festivities (proud of my city!), but it somehow feels odd after the disastrous season we have had.
Why is Peyton in a hurry?
I’m wondering whether the discussions are very different from what is being speculated. If the choice is between Irsay paying the money or Peyton going elsewhere, why would Peyton want the decision made in Feb. instead of March? It seems very doubtful that Irsay would pay the bonus now, with perhaps a slightly better chance in March. But it also seems very unlikely that anyone else is going to offer a big contract until they can be reasonably confident he’ll be able to play at a high level. I’d expect any offers before summertime to be fairly small, and structured so the team would lose little if he doesn’t play. If he wants a big contract with a sizable bonus or first year salary, he will probably need to wait until he can demonstrate that his arm strength has returned. But that means being a free agent and not having access to team resources for several months.
But what if Irsay and Manning are actually negotiating a new contract to be announced at the same time as the current one is terminated? Then it might be to Peyton’s advantage to get the decision quickly in order to (1) get it over with – this has to be incredibly stressful for him personally, and (2) avoid the risk that a setback or plateau will sour the Colts on a new deal.
writing on the wall
Irsay must want Peyton to retire, and Peyton is not ready to do so he is pushing for his release..
Irsay don’t want to be known as the owner who cut one the greatest QB of all time, especially if Peyton does regenerate that nerve and goes out to win 1 or more Superbowls elsewhere.. it woould be much better for Irsay if Peyton just retire.
"If anything, we want to go out there and step it up. Of course it will be different (without Manning), but it’s one of those things that if it happens, everybody else has to step up. It’s next man up." - Pro Bowl safety Antoine Bethea
by thebossuzzi on Feb 3, 2012 11:39 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He knows the writing is on the wall and if so he wants to move on with his life and maybe to another team he also has to move his family to wherever he goes to play (if he plays)
Why delay the inevitable?
Its interesting Manning is in a hurry but Irsay is stalling one would think if Jimbo releases him early he doesn’t have to pay the bonus which would benefit him right?
WHY IRSAY REPLIED THIS MORNING ...
Why did he feel the need to respond? He just finished some big-wig party and had a few adult beverages. How do we know this? Isn’t it obvious … everything in his tweet was spelled correctly and he used good puntuation! He can’t do that sober!!!!! Give the guy a break. He was tweeting thru beer goggles.
Seriously, Peyton’s people should have held off on this announcement until next week. He’s the GOAT and I will admit to being a Peyton fan first … but this is poor timing. I don’t see his doc releasing this info unless he was authorized to do so. And Irsay could have let it slide. Sadness.
I don’t want to see the Colts without PM and vice versa but business is business and maybe a divorce will be best for all involved. Like everyone else I’ll continue to follow this daily but we won’t know anythign until we KNOW something. Until then it’s conjecture. I just hope the Team Statement today isn’t what we all fear it may be.
I see no wrong here in either side...
Peyton should lobby to get his 28mil bonus and stay on the team that he built in the stadium he built and finish his career…you expect someone as competitive as him to just walk away so some snot nosed kid can take over for him?
Irsay knows the cap can’t handle an aging star that isn’t fully healthy. He knows there is a possibility Manning won’t play all or any of next season much less be ready for mini camp training camp etc. Irsay is looking to win long term…as any owner should.
If Luck wasn’t available at 1 or Manning was 100% this wouldn’t happen. But that’s life! No one is insulting the other. There is no name calling or animosity. It’s business and someone’s business hurts.
It would have been ideal for both parties to shut up. But that didn’t happen and to say this is “ugly” is an exaggeration.
Irsay doesn’t have to cut him until March 8. Which gives him time to further evaluate. He DID pay Manning for the season so Peyton is his employee until the contract says not.
We slam Irsay a great not good owner Polian a great not good GM but don’t ever blame anything on God Manning and I have had enough of it! Manning had no problem
Cashing the checks last season so what gives him the right for an early release.
Also the whole Mannings career was ruined by bad coaching GMing isn’t true. Manning underperformed in playoff games early in his career. In the mid 2000s they had a great team but collectively including Manning layed down in the post season against an inferior Steeler team and on the road against a great Pats team.
Once Marvin retired, they were not as explosive an offense and Manning carried the team all by himself. But against NO the loss was a team effort. It wasn’t Caldwells fault Garçon dropped a TD and Baskett dropped an onside recovery. Manning had a chance to tier the game and called a predictable WR pick screen and threw a pic 6.
18 is one of the top 5-10 icons in all American sports in the room with Ruth Ali Jordan as well as great QBs. But he isn’t God! He isn’t perfect or infoulable! Doesnt have special healing powers or the keys to the fountain of youth. I have savored his time and was hoping for another few runs but am ready to move on (if) the Colts go that direction!
by (206)NightRidah on Feb 3, 2012 2:08 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I think
a lot of fans are redy to move on too.. but, the thing is that this medical statement was release because Irsay and colts are going the “is too dangerous for him to play, we don’t know if he should play, he should retire” route all inspiring the rumors of Peyton will not be able to play football again, it would be silly if he tries, his life is at risk here all over the internet , of course Peyton was going to defend him self for something that is not much true than it is a lie.
If the colts move on and cut him which I believe is the situation(i understand it and i’m sad but ok with it) there is no need to make it more difficult for Peyton to sign with another team if it is what he wants. It’s like Irsay wants the best for the team but at the same time don’t want Peyton to play for another team.. if Peyton don’t fit the colts current situation then release him, be fair to him and wish him luck.
"If anything, we want to go out there and step it up. Of course it will be different (without Manning), but it’s one of those things that if it happens, everybody else has to step up. It’s next man up." - Pro Bowl safety Antoine Bethea
by thebossuzzi on Feb 3, 2012 2:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Irsay never said he should retire...
Or that he wouldn’t be healthy. He just made the mistake of going tit for tat with Manning. Everything he has said was fact though!
Mannings camp is behind all of this. Manning is using the SB for his own personalities tour.
Why should he release a player early that he paid not to play?! You have a Manning in hand you keep him unitl a final decision is made. Manning is an employee not a partner, it’s not up to him it’s Irsays call…
by (206)NightRidah on Feb 3, 2012 2:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
yeah the rumors spilling out about him retiring
have nothing to do with a health report of Manning coming out proving that it was all a lie and hes planning on playing
Until 2004 Manning underperformed in some playoff losses, but a lot of blame goes around the team and coaches and refs.
From 2005 though, Manning was the least of the problems.
2005 was Dungy’s fault mostly. His decision to give Peyton 14 passing attempts in a 4 week period put the offense totally out of sync for 4-5 possessions.
I would say that
The playoff losses were equally on Manning in the early years. The 4 pics vs NE, scoring 3 point the next year at NE. The Pit debacle. I agree that as time progressed things changed and he carried the team…
Still, he went one and done six times! Let’s just not paint the picture that he was saddled with poor players because Harrison Freeney are sure HOFers while Mathis and Wayne are fringe HOFers…Sanders Was a DPOY and Clark Stokley Brackett Marlon and Kelvin were solid role players and playmakers
by (206)NightRidah on Feb 3, 2012 2:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Sanders was usually not available.
Freeney was missing in 2007.
Marvin couldn’t beat the pass interference in January.
Brackett was serviceable.
Hayden had two good seasons.
Marlin had one good play, and that’s it, he could do nothing but tackle after catch was made.
Refs cheated.
OL, CBs, LBers, DTs were de-valued by the retarded Colts philosophy and defensive coaches sucked always.
Lots of excuses for the best QB to ever lace them up...
Injuries Conspiracy bad GMing bad coaching bad refs…
The teams that steamrolled our Colts im sure had adversity also. If you win 13 games every year you probably should at least get past your first playoff game if they lost a bunch of AFCCGs that would be different…Peyton is as guilty as the rest of the organization IMO…
They ALL choked…
by (206)NightRidah on Feb 5, 2012 2:01 AM EST up reply actions
Just listened to Tom Condon give an interview, and he had a lot of interesting things to say about the Manning situation
First and foremost, he completely expects Manning to fully recover and play football in the 2012 season. He acknowledged that the nerve regeneration is still taking place, but there was progress being made.
All that is wonderful news for Peyton Manning fans, but when asked about Irsay’s comments and the situation with the Colts, Condon sounded less than optimistic that Manning would remain in Indy. He spoke about the coaches that have left – the new GM, HC, OC, etc. – and capped it off by saying the Colts are in a great rebuilding position with the top overall pick.
I hate to see Peyton leave, much less via getting cut, but I think that ultimately, that is what’s going to happen. I think Irsay has made his mind up already to move on to the Andrew Luck era, and Manning will get basically to pick which contender in the NFL he wants to take to the playoffs for the rest of his career.
I don’t think it’ll be Miami or Cleveland or KC, as many have suggested; he’s going to go to a team that’s ready to win now – a team like the 49ers, Jets or maybe even the Cowboys. One thing’s for sure though: if either of these three teams pick up Manning, they immediately are on the short list for Super Bowl participants, if not outright favorites to win.
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ARRGH. I can't believe I have to say that Peyton is at fault here
Yeah, of course I want Peyton to stay. But I TRULY think he’s in the wrong here. His camp keeps releasing these little nuggets telling the fans and media that PM’s is healthy. That he’s cleared medically. So they are riling up the fans to demand that Irsay keep and PAY the man.
But the whole point is that Manning may not actually be football healthy enough until July/August or even later. They know this. They are pressuring us (the fans) to demand Irsay to pay him $28 mil b/c they are trying to make us think that he can play.
Because if Irsay doesn’t, do you really believe that ANY team is going to pay big dollars to Manning when he may not be able to even practice until the summer or during the season. Why would any team (even Washington) pay for a QB that may or may not be ready come game 1 of the season?
So, inexplicably, Manning will be a free agent and no one will want him until they have decided he is medically healthy enough to actually play at 100%. Manning’s camp knows this. they know no one (including Irsay) will pay Peyton until he is 100%.
The figure, hell, Irsay just paid you 26mil to sit on the bench this year; why wouldn’t he pay $28mil for the CHANCE for PM to play again. So they are lighting a fire under the Colts fans’ rear ends to force Irsay to pay the man.
I’ve been in Manning’s camp this whole time. He means the world to me and to my enjoyment over the last decade, but he CAN’T PLAY FOOT BALL right now. If he could, of course, Irsday would give him the $28mil, a Bently and a permanent suite at the Dome. and we would ride this team into the sunset.
It has to end. We have to move on. Best of luck to you Peyton. I never wanted it to end like this. I am devastated.
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by GotDebt on Feb 3, 2012 2:40 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Sums up
A lot of my feelings and mood right now. I want him to stay, but it HAS to be under a renegotiated short term deal after his release. And Manning is not going to do that. On the same token, nobody but perhaps Wash will give him the same guarantee of money. If he truly wanted to finish with Indy, Peyton could make it happen.
It is going to really suck watching him win and win a bunch in another uniform, but the risk is not worth the absolute cap-hell we’ll be put in for the next 3 years. And that cap-hell would be the same even if we didn’t draft Luck. Manning knows this. If it was truly about winning in Indy and if we some how knew his nerves regenerated, he’d re-do the deal.
I partially want to blame Condon and Manning for the oddly written one-year option deal that was concocted in August without him passing a physical. But probably more blame goes to Irsay and Polian for not getting a deal done before the last year of his previous deal started in 2010. They waited because it was a capless year and they didn’t know if the future CBA would have a cap. If they were smart, Irsay would have dug into the reserves, write him a one-time signing bonus for $60 mill and a 10 year deal at $4 to $6 mill per year.
i never undertood
Why they didn’t just bite the bullet in the capless year.
And still with the current contract, why not bite the cap bullet for the 2011 season considering they had a good idea the team would suck anyway and Manning may not play.
by mlc2656 on Feb 3, 2012 6:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If Manning is cut, he'll be probably the most sought-after free agent in the history of free agency.
Just my opinion, of course – but I think that he instantly makes any team he’s on a contender. Of course Washington will put up the money, but Manning will have more options than that – he’ll go to a team that’s only a player or two away from contending, if they aren’t there already. Not that I don’t think he could turn the ’Skins around, but I just think there are better landing places with stronger supporting casts around.
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I can't see Peyton going to the same division his brother is in...
so I don’t see Washington being a viable option.
by Yougotme on Feb 3, 2012 3:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't think he'll go to Washington either, but it definitely could happen.
Dan Snyder would recklessly throw any amount of money at Manning if it meant getting him a Redskins uniform. I can’t see Manning wanting to get into that situation there – not enough talent in DC for Manning to seriously contend.
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ONLY
if he is healthy. If he loses any arm strength, assuming it comes back at all, it might be the difference between being Peyton Manning or Colt McCoy.
Of course - his health is tantamount
I wasn’t suggesting otherwise – I think he will be healthy enough to start for an NFL team in 2012. It has been said that Manning played with nerve damage in as many as his past 3 seasons, and he definitely did in the 2010 season when he threw for the most passing yards in his career. I think that even if his nerve isn’t 100% regenerated, Manning will still be able to play at his elite level.
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I disagre if retiring rumors about him hdnt been spread
the report on his health would be needed
I think he has every right to defend himself and correct any lies anyone is spreading about him and his career
How can you blame the man for telling the truth when everyones been telling lies and spreading all this negative stuff about him
When the media is riling up everyone to get rid of Manning by saying hes retiring and his rehab isnt working what do you expect him to do?
By the way - I think Denver is the best fit for Manning
Great defense
Great run game
Great kicker
and the mile-high airballs in that stadium
Sure it’s outside….but….is he really gonna be slinging like he did in the past??
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he shouldn't be slinging like in the past if that team expects to win the SB
but the 49ers have all those things too. and their outside is a nicer than denver.
but manning over a.smith is a harder argument to make than manning over tebow so i get what you mean
i don't give autographs
by muncie_in_this on Feb 3, 2012 9:38 PM EST up reply actions
Just one of Tom Condon's interviews that I found online:
Adam Schein and Rich Gannon on Sirius XM
His interviews with the NFL Network and Jim Rome presented Condon with a number of different questions, but the tone of all of them were the same. Condon and Manning, imo, sound like they’re ready to move on.
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Of course they are really does anyone actually think he’s coming back you have Andrew Luck making the rounds in local TV interviews and Irsay cleaning house.
Really its obvious he’s not returning to the Colts despite the denials of some around these parts.
Believe it or not, I'd say that there's probably a 50/50 split on whether or not Colts fans think Manning's coming back or not
Of those who think that he’s coming back, most are in that mindset as a simple function of Midwestern optimism – not because they can’t see that all signs point to his leaving. I won’t call anyone wrong for believing he’ll stay, because the reality is that he either will or he won’t – and nobody will know until Irsay and/or Manning step to the podium and say as much.
Sure, some people are probably in denial as well, but it’s not like that frame of mind is not uncalled for – we’re talking about the guy that delivered not only a Super Bowl championship to the city, but also the guy who completely transformed this city into what many pundits, people, celebrities and tourists are calling the best Super Bowl city in a very long time. And, with as well as the Super Bowl Village has taken off, there’s an extremely realistic chance that Indy finds itself with LA, NO and MIA as players in the Super Bowl City rotation. It’s completely understandable for people to be in denial if the greatest Colt of all time’s era possibly coming to an end. Don’t give them a harder time than they are already having!
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Anybody else miss the good ol' days...
when the media simply reported news after it happened rather than trying to create news by speculating about what MIGHT happen?
New Math: 2011-18 = 2-14
yes.
but i wasn’t alive in 1920 (or whenever the media was last honest) either so i can’t say i miss those days, but i agree with the sentiment
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by muncie_in_this on Feb 3, 2012 9:42 PM EST up reply actions
Kind of a weak statement from the team today.
Indianapolis Colts Official Statement *
Peyton Manning, Jim Irsay and the entire Colts family remain close and unified as we continue to work through all the options that relate to his future with the Colts.
The present focus is on the Super Bowl and the great game that awaits.
"Cat in the wall, eh? Ok, now you're talking my language. I know this game."
-Charlie
by Addai Another Aday on Feb 3, 2012 5:29 PM EST reply actions
The focus is on the super bowl?
Really? Could have fooled me with every other news story being about Peyton.
I will be glad when Manning leaves
It will be a great day when Manning leaves the Colts. It is amazing how he has gone from a great QB to a problem which needs to be corrected.
He is not healthy. The Doctors are lying, Peyton is making this up. His word is now not good enough. He feels he can come back and is working hard.
The owner Dr. Isray does not want PM to be healthy because he wants to rebuild. He does not want to pay PM. Fine RELEASE HIM. You are the owner.
This is not a PM issue. All the Colts fans admired him for his leadership, determination, undying work ethic to win and be the best. Now the same fans want him to not be himself. They would rather him retire, QUIT, because they know what is best for him. He is greedy and only wants his money. Give me a break.
Manning wants to play. I for one think he has earned the right to try. All Isray has to do is release him.
Alot of the Colts fans want Luck. Isray wants him. Hell draft him and play him. Grow up and let Manning go. If he comes back and continues to be GOAT, that’s Isray and the Colts fault. Sure as hell isn’t PM’s.
This is becoming a circus because Isray wants to look good. I am sure all of you would just give up your life long dreams and not try like everyone wants PM to. Guess you haven’t noticed, PM is not made that way.
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