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Robert Griffin III Is Cocky, Very Much Wants Colts To Draft Him

The Colts are going to draft Andrew Luck No. 1 overall in the 2012 NFL Draft.

You can write that down. No, check that. You can chisel that in marble. It will happen.

The reason it will happen is because, for the last two plus years, Andrew Luck has played at a very high level. He's shown remarkable consistency regardless of circumstances. It didn't matter if Jim Harbaugh or David Shaw was his head coach. Luck still went out there and threw for 3,300-plus yards, 30-plus TDs, and completed 70% of his passes the last two years. Remarkable consistency, and it is that consistency which people often cite as giving him a leg-up on other players, like Baylor's Robert Griffin III.

RG3 had a spectacular junior year last year, but that was the only year where he put up big, impressive numbers on par with Luck's. Other quarterback prospects from years past in the same boat with RG3, in that regard, are named Leaf and Harrington. I'm not saying Griffin will bust like those guys did, but a BIG red flag about early first round quarterbacks is often, 'How consistent was he in college year-to-year?'

Want another comparison between RG3 and Ryan Leaf? Like Leaf in 1998, who trash-talked Peyton Manning prior to the April draft, Griffin is yapping about Andrew Luck.

Star-divide

In an interview with Don Banks of SI, Griffin made it clear that he wants to play in Indianapolis next season. He wants the Colts to draft him No. 1 overall so that he can, once again, 'beat' Andrew Luck they way he 'beat' him to the Heisman Trophy last season.

"Perception is reality, and at the beginning of the year I wasn't on many radars," Griffin said. "I did have a lot more ground to cover than he did. [Luck] was the de facto Heisman winner and the de facto No. 1 pick. We already took one of those from him and we plan to continue to go out there and do that. Whether it's with the first pick in the draft, a playoff win, or who goes to the first Super Bowl.

Now, even though that statement reads as a bit cocky and arrogant, I'm not going to bash Griffin for saying it. He should want to go No. 1 overall. If Luck goes No. 1 (and, again, he will), that is the Colts telling Griffin that Luck is better. Naturally, the head strong and confident Griffin would consider this a slight.

"I will use that as a driving force, whether I go first, second, third or fourth in the draft. The fact I wasn't out there with people believing in me is going to be the key to drive me to be a better player.

"I hate to talk about myself like that, but if I had to straight up tell a head coach or an owner why they should take me, it's because I'm the best in everything I've done," Griffin said. "I'm the most accurate. I have the strongest arm. I may not be the tallest. I may not be the heaviest. But I'm the best quarterback in the nation, and if they pass on me, then I understand. But I'm going to go out and be the best quarterback for somebody else.

Again, nothing wrong with him saying this kind of stuff. In fact, I'm sure a few of you out there are warming up to RG3 based solely on these comments.

However, the reality is Griffin is not the best QB entering the NFL draft this year. Luck is. The Heisman Trophy means nothing in the evaluation of QB talent. In the end, it all comes down to consistency, something Griffin himself agrees with:

"It's about consistency. And I was able to go out and make the nation a believer. I was able to make my own teammates believers, too. And that means even more to me, that they regarded me as the best quarterback in the nation."

And, speaking of consistency:

Andrew Luck (playing in the PAC12)

2010: 70% completion, 3,338 yards, 9 yards a completion, 32 TDs, 8 INTs

2011: 71% completion, 3,517 yards, 9 yards a completion, 37 TDs, 10 INTs

Robert Griffin III (playing in Big 12)

2010: 67% completion, 3,501 yards, 8 yards a completion, 22 TDs, 8 INTs

2011: 72% completion, 4,293 yards, 10 yards a completion, 37 TDs, 6 INTs

RG3 won't become another Ryan Leaf. I'm pretty certain of that. However, he's still very boom or bust as a prospect. RG3 made a big leap from sophomore to junior at Baylor. The question is, can he remain consistent? With Luck, you know what you're getting.

If RG3 wants to use the fact that Luck is simply a better prospect as a motivational thing to help him get better, good. Good for him. I hope he does well.

He's just not getting drafted No. 1 overall by the Indianapolis Colts.

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We better not take him

would be the worst decision Irsay ever made. period.

by coltsgolfbeer on Feb 4, 2012 2:43 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

i think cutting peyton

will be irsay’s worst decision

i don't give autographs

by muncie_in_this on Feb 4, 2012 7:22 PM EST up reply actions  

why?

manning wont be healthy when the bonus is due. not cutting him would be unforgiveable

by omahacolt on Feb 4, 2012 7:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah the financial decision makes sense

But its gonna look stupid when peyton comes back to lucas oil and kicks or teeth in.

i don't give autographs

by muncie_in_this on Feb 5, 2012 11:34 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

FUCK. OUR not OR

i don't give autographs

by muncie_in_this on Feb 5, 2012 11:35 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

dont worry about that

its not going to happen. manning is done

by omahacolt on Feb 5, 2012 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Cam Newton

One year wonder in big time college football. No “consistency” year to year. Still amazing.

by Tricky Bobby on Feb 5, 2012 2:02 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

One year wonder in the NFL

His passing skills still have a loooong way to go, and eventually teams will figure him out. Just like they are figuring out Vick and Tebow.

by Peter Storgaard on Feb 5, 2012 5:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah because throwing for over 4k as a rookie

Shows signs of being a mediocre passer long term. Of course he needs to get better. Peyton did too as a rookie…maybe he will maybe not. But we have only seen Can as fans for two years. The first he singlehandedly took an Auburn team with 8-4 talent to a NC…the second he stepped in day one and broke a rookie passing record while rushing for 14TDs also…

It seems that Cam Newton is pretty good and will continue to trend up. Will he be Great an win SBs? Who knows but I’m pretty sure he isn’t going to be a scrub…

by (206)NightRidah on Feb 5, 2012 6:12 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Rookies forced into shootouts due to a putrid D tend to throw some picks. The running backs didn’t do anything to help him the first half of the season either. The dude WAS their O for the entire season, 1 good wideout and 2 above average tight ends. No one comes in their rookie season and is Peyton right away. But he’s as good as or slightly better rounded than Peyton was in ‘98. And that’s saying something.

by Tricky Bobby on Feb 6, 2012 8:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

What's his socks have to do with it?

What? You would rather have a guy with a Neck beard that looks like BLUE the Mascott? None of that has anything to do with there talents and there leadership qualities.

by shoospa on Feb 5, 2012 2:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Not going to say that

I will say he fits more of the mold of what I’d look for personality wise in a QB. Luck has better passing skills for sure, but RG3 makes you nervous about what he will do every single play. Brad is right, Luck is consistent and will lull defenses to sleep and then pounce.

I’m not going to try and pretend I know what’s best for the Colts. That’s what the scouts are paid for. Whether they keep PM and/or draft either of those 2. I won’t be upset. I trust they know and have seen more than I have. It’s silly to second guess and complain before the cards have fallen. See Reggie Bush v. Mario Williams.

"It's about the journey--mine and yours--and the lives we can touch, the legacy we can leave, and the world we can change for the better."
— Tony Dungy

by Mark Olson on Feb 5, 2012 12:01 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

If consistency is everything

then wouldn’t Kellen Moore be the best prospect on the board? I’m not disputing Luck’s merits as a great prospect and you’re probably right that the Colts will end up taking him with the top pick. But the fact remains that nobody knows how any of these quarterbacks will turn out as pros. Griffin showed tremendous improvement this past year but that doesn’t mean he was some kind of one-year wonder, and from every account, both him and Luck are great teammates and tremendous students in the classroom who are naturally competitive people. If the Colts ultimately select Luck (again, they probably will), then so be it but it would be foolish to not go through the entire draft process and scout Luck, Griffin, and any other quarterback prospect extensively because it is still unknown how any of these prospects will turn out.

by Tony Ugoh on Feb 4, 2012 2:57 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

then wouldn’t Kellen Moore be the best prospect on the board?

No.

He played at Boise friggin State.

SB Nation's Indianapolis Colts blogger at Stampede Blue and editor of SB Nation Indiana.

by Brad Wells on Feb 4, 2012 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

by that logic

Andy Dalton wasn’t that good because he played at TCU. I’m not saying Luck isn’t the best prospect, but to declare him the second coming before he’s even taken an NFL snap seems way to premature especially when the draft process hasn’t even started yet. At this time last year, Dequan Bowers and Nick Fairley were projected to go #1 overall

by Tony Ugoh on Feb 4, 2012 3:11 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Kellen Moore is 5'11

QBs that size other than Drew Brees generally dont become elite. If he was 6’3 he would go in the first or second round

by (206)NightRidah on Feb 4, 2012 3:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I just used Moore as an example or consistency

my point was its dumb to declare Luck the hands-down #1 pick without going through the draft process. Do we know for sure he will be better than Griffin?

by Tony Ugoh on Feb 4, 2012 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

yes

we know that for sure

by omahacolt on Feb 4, 2012 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

really?

i figured i had made that clear to everyone by now

by omahacolt on Feb 4, 2012 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Based on my logic, maybe you should be the next Colts quarterback

"It's about the journey--mine and yours--and the lives we can touch, the legacy we can leave, and the world we can change for the better."
— Tony Dungy

by Mark Olson on Feb 5, 2012 12:03 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

like manning

i cant throw a 20 yard out

by omahacolt on Feb 5, 2012 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Kellen Moore has sub-par arm strength and is vertically challenged. Smart, but don’t have the stature or the arm. Huge disadvantage.

by Tricky Bobby on Feb 6, 2012 9:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

True it is

I agree with every word….Griffin did have a great year last year….I think he should have gone back for his senior year and he may really be #1 next year but I guess he is ready to be an NFL QB now as well…..as you said someone will take him that needs the next best QB….The Colts went for that same model type QB when they took Manning and will employ that same strategy this time as well even if it is not Polian pulling the trigger this time….

by Colts53 on Feb 4, 2012 2:58 PM EST reply actions  

To be fair, and I'm not advocating picking Griffin over Luck

these are other quotes from that same article:

For me, a quarterback’s best friend, especially a young quarterback’s best friend, is a coach who believes in him," Griffin said. "So if Jim Irsay and [new Colts] coach [Chuck] Pagano believe in me as a player and want to go with me, I’m happy for it. If they don’t believe in me, and they believe in Andrew Luck, then go with Andrew Luck.

It wouldn’t be a burden to play behind him with the Colts. Nothing in life is a foregone conclusion, so Peyton could be here this year. If the Colts decided to draft me to learn from him and be the future down the road, that’s a win-win for me, because Peyton’s a legend and he knows what it takes to win and to be great. I would love to learn from a guy like that.

"Cat in the wall, eh? Ok, now you're talking my language. I know this game."
-Charlie

by Addai Another Aday on Feb 4, 2012 2:59 PM EST reply actions  

Positive quotes dont count

this article is to get everyone on team BBS and vote for Luck
Only the quotes that get his view across and favored get put up

Just look how negative the article about Manning recovering and doing way better than the initial reports of retiring and not rehabbing quick enough.
Instead of being happy for Manning that hes getting healthy and things arent as bad as reported he instead blames Manning for dispelling rumors before the SB that hes the bad guy now for trying to take any rumors about him away so hes not the focus

by C.Settles on Feb 4, 2012 7:22 PM EST up reply actions   3 recs

Love this post.

I like seeing that there are people on this site who are looking past the BS smokescreen that BBS is putting around RG3.

If you’re looking for someone who is “cocky,” you need look no further than Brad Wells. Not that that is such a bad thing, but please…

I see great things in baseball. It's our game - the American game. It will take our people out-of-doors, fill them with oxygen, give them a larger physical stoicism. Tend to relieve us from being a nervous, dyspeptic set. Repair these losses, and be a blessing to us. ~Walt Whitman

by Chopaholic on Feb 6, 2012 12:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Great quotes.

From the interviews and pressers I’ve seen, RG3 has been extremely classy and well-rounded. He’s intelligent and he’s confident. Thanks for posting these.

Luck is my pick, but RG3 could turn to be the crown jewel. The only thing that worries me about RG3 is his knee injury from the past.

Writer for StampedeBlue.com.

by Stew Blake on Feb 5, 2012 3:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Yup.

It’s to provide more stability/protection on the QB’s plant leg (Jim Harbaugh thing). Totally precautionary and worn out of habit. A catastrophic knee injury, like Griffin suffered, is a little different.

Writer for StampedeBlue.com.

by Stew Blake on Feb 6, 2012 6:22 AM EST up reply actions  

You guys seem sooooo confident in Andrew Luck...

You better pray he is what he’s supposed to be. Can you imagine if you guys select Ryan Leaf this time?

by Goon305Boy10 on Feb 4, 2012 3:01 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

it would suck balls

Whenever you get stressed, always remember: RDWHAHB

by danorocks17 on Feb 4, 2012 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Um....

He’d still have as many championships as Dan Marino?

"Cat in the wall, eh? Ok, now you're talking my language. I know this game."
-Charlie

by Addai Another Aday on Feb 4, 2012 3:05 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Ok well I didn't come over here to go back and fourth about nothing

Im just saying from an outsiders position it looks as if you guys are 100% sure Luck will be the next Peyton Manning. QBs like that are hard to find, I mean look at the Dolphins…

by Goon305Boy10 on Feb 4, 2012 3:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Rec'd for truth.

Marino > Manning….

ROFL!!

I see great things in baseball. It's our game - the American game. It will take our people out-of-doors, fill them with oxygen, give them a larger physical stoicism. Tend to relieve us from being a nervous, dyspeptic set. Repair these losses, and be a blessing to us. ~Walt Whitman

by Chopaholic on Feb 6, 2012 12:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Fourth????

Awful grammar faux pas. This isn’t a down. It’s “back and forth.” I think I am going to take up a role as grammar police on SB Nation, much like Karl Pilkington’s recently imagined “Bullshit Man” on Idiot Abroad 2: Bucket List (no italics, writing from my iPhone).

"The trouble with referees is that they know the rules, but they don't know the game" -Bill Shankly

by Bromantic on Feb 4, 2012 8:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

your an idiot

all that rambling about absolutely nothing.

by BigMan74 on Feb 4, 2012 11:00 PM EST up reply actions  

seemed like he rambled about grammar

so you should have said, “you’re an idiot”

i don't give autographs

by muncie_in_this on Feb 5, 2012 2:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Thank you

"The trouble with referees is that they know the rules, but they don't know the game" -Bill Shankly

by Bromantic on Feb 6, 2012 9:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh boy.

I don’t even know what to say to you at this point. I may have rambled, but… Forget it. It is hopeless.

"The trouble with referees is that they know the rules, but they don't know the game" -Bill Shankly

by Bromantic on Feb 6, 2012 9:43 AM EST up reply actions  

hmmm

Whenever you get stressed, always remember: RDWHAHB

by danorocks17 on Feb 4, 2012 3:28 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Definitely the latter.

"The trouble with referees is that they know the rules, but they don't know the game" -Bill Shankly

by Bromantic on Feb 4, 2012 8:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Lets see what happens....

This is precisely why we need to keep #18. Of course everybody on Wells’ bus would scream bloody murder if you question the second coming of the Lord and Savior who has yet to take a single NFL snap.

by Antillar on Feb 5, 2012 12:42 AM EST up reply actions   3 recs

True this.

Anyone who would want to jettison a healthy Peyton Manning was probably lobotomized sometime in their early puberty…thus their opinion on practically any matter can be safely disregarded.

I see great things in baseball. It's our game - the American game. It will take our people out-of-doors, fill them with oxygen, give them a larger physical stoicism. Tend to relieve us from being a nervous, dyspeptic set. Repair these losses, and be a blessing to us. ~Walt Whitman

by Chopaholic on Feb 6, 2012 12:51 AM EST up reply actions  

how many successful black Qb's have there been?

none? and don’t say cam newton winning 6 games is a success. Mcnabb is a joke. The decision making just isn’t there. sorry.

by bigr2 on Feb 4, 2012 3:04 PM EST reply actions  

This isn't the first time he's said something along those lines.

Actually, his first ever comment was about Marc Ross:

the only problem i have with him is
he’s black

by bigr2 on Jan 8, 2012 6:15 PM CST

"Cat in the wall, eh? Ok, now you're talking my language. I know this game."
-Charlie

by Addai Another Aday on Feb 4, 2012 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Deep...

I never even considered that before. You’ve proposed something that is making me go “Hmm…”

I see great things in baseball. It's our game - the American game. It will take our people out-of-doors, fill them with oxygen, give them a larger physical stoicism. Tend to relieve us from being a nervous, dyspeptic set. Repair these losses, and be a blessing to us. ~Walt Whitman

by Chopaholic on Feb 6, 2012 12:53 AM EST up reply actions  

And then
have you ever noticed
that all these "scouts" who like RG3 are just black commentators who want a black guy to do well? they are racist and don’t know anything about football.

by bigr2 on Jan 13, 2012 12:00 PM CST

"Cat in the wall, eh? Ok, now you're talking my language. I know this game."
-Charlie

by Addai Another Aday on Feb 4, 2012 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Warren Moon?

"Cat in the wall, eh? Ok, now you're talking my language. I know this game."
-Charlie

by Addai Another Aday on Feb 4, 2012 3:07 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Whats borderline?

He implied African Americans don’t have the intellectual capacity to make QB decisions…

Are racist comments tolerated here?

by (206)NightRidah on Feb 4, 2012 3:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   3 recs

Please let me know...

I will remove myself if this is what this site is about…I have seen you reprimand people for disagreeing with you about Bill Polian or Caldwell if we are allowed to make racial shots then I can’t participate anymore

by (206)NightRidah on Feb 4, 2012 3:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Still no response...Are you saying racial comments are condoned here?

I’m not trying to start trouble just want to know Brad

by (206)NightRidah on Feb 4, 2012 9:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

come on ridah

you know the answer. and it is no.

if it is out of hand then it will be dealt with. that is my guess anyway

by omahacolt on Feb 4, 2012 9:22 PM EST up reply actions  

One racial comment should mean banishment

This guy has made several as referenced by Addai Another Day

BBS bans people for questioning him…So I think it’s a realistic question. I just want his response.

If that type of commentary is acceptable I am not going to start trouble but I can’t continue to post here or read the site.

I know the typical BBS phrase is if you don’t like it leave…I just want to hear his response and I will leave quietly without any angry posts…

by (206)NightRidah on Feb 4, 2012 9:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

although i found your comments funny, bigr2

as i assume you are joking

but mcnabb was a pretty damn good qb. sure he is kind of a joke now that he is older but dude could play ball just a few years ago

by omahacolt on Feb 4, 2012 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

If this doesn't cause a ban I may have to leave

I have seen people get banned for disagreeing with the editor…

Doug Williams won a SB
McNabb played in one
Newton broke Mannings Passing records as a rookie

by (206)NightRidah on Feb 4, 2012 3:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Would you like to expound Bigr2?

Are African Americans inferior at the QB position? Or is it just across the board as in the 3/5 compromise Jim crow etc…Are they intellectually or morally Inferior?

There isn’t a right or wrong answer. In America you have a right to your thoughts and opinions. I am just looking to understand your viewpoint…

by (206)NightRidah on Feb 4, 2012 10:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

ridah

1) you know the answer. the guy thinks less of blacks

2) there is a wrong answer

3) his is wrong

by omahacolt on Feb 5, 2012 12:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Someone wasn't loved as a child.

Each year I hope the Warriors, Colts, Cavs, and the Magic get better yet the opposite happens.

by BobInBlue on Feb 4, 2012 11:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Foolish...

Quite a retarded thing to say, for many reasons but especially because it is not true. McNabb may be washed up now, but he was by no means a joke.

by Antillar on Feb 5, 2012 12:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Steve McNair/Warren Moon

the list is longer, but those are always the first 2 that come to mind.

"It's about the journey--mine and yours--and the lives we can touch, the legacy we can leave, and the world we can change for the better."
— Tony Dungy

by Mark Olson on Feb 5, 2012 12:08 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

but still successful

"It's about the journey--mine and yours--and the lives we can touch, the legacy we can leave, and the world we can change for the better."
— Tony Dungy

by Mark Olson on Feb 5, 2012 12:42 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

his mvp

was a complete joke and he had no business getting his hands on it

by omahacolt on Feb 5, 2012 5:19 PM EST up reply actions  

well...

the sportswriters, whose opinions i trust much more than yours, felt otherwise so theres that

by Tony Ugoh on Feb 6, 2012 12:39 AM EST up reply actions  

look at the stats mfer

tell me why he deserved the co-mvp

by omahacolt on Feb 6, 2012 12:52 AM EST up reply actions  

If you think that the MVP award should be completely stats driven...

You’re defective somewhere in your cranium. McNair deserved a share of the 2003 MVP award, and all you need to do to justify that is to break down what MVP means: Most Valuable Player. His value to his team in terms of overall performance that year was rivaled only by Peyton Manning’s value to the Colts.

Without McNair, would the Titans have been 12-4, finishing in a win-loss tie with the Colts that year? Was his impact on the league that year worth only a handful of peanuts? Maybe it was to you, but the sports writers of the AP disagreed to a fare-thee-well.

It isn’t about stats, it’s about value and impact. That good enough an explanation mfer?

I see great things in baseball. It's our game - the American game. It will take our people out-of-doors, fill them with oxygen, give them a larger physical stoicism. Tend to relieve us from being a nervous, dyspeptic set. Repair these losses, and be a blessing to us. ~Walt Whitman

by Chopaholic on Feb 6, 2012 1:21 AM EST up reply actions  

whatever

mcnair wasnt even the second best qb that year. he was a media made mvp.

without (insert any decent qb) then the (insert team) wouldnt have been as good. that works with pretty much any team.

i like your explanation. it was well thought out. i just dont agree and dont see how anyone can look at that season and think mcnair should have put his hands on that trophy

by omahacolt on Feb 6, 2012 10:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Luck is going to be awesome!!!!

all this peyton manning talk has kind of overshadowed how lucky we got in being able to get luck to lead us forward in this transition period. He is a great player to build a team around. I am very excited

by coltsgolfbeer on Feb 4, 2012 3:19 PM EST reply actions  

we arent lucky, we made sure we made sure we got this pick

and of course by we i mean they

i don't give autographs

by muncie_in_this on Feb 4, 2012 10:11 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Although Andrew Luck is definitely the best QB in the draft,

If we were able to keep Manning, trade down to, say, the #4 or 5 pick and still conceivably get RGIII and have an extra pick I would prefer that any day.

Andrew Luck is going to be good, but the overwhelming belief that he is FOR SURE going to be the greatest QB for the next decade is something I have difficulty buying into.

I am a college student that sleeps with a St. Louis Cardinals Fredbird Pillow Pet, and I am proud of it.

by Sir Sci on Feb 4, 2012 3:19 PM EST reply actions  

sir sci

why does he have to be the best qb for the next decade to get drafted #1? what matter is that luck should be considered by everyone to be the best player in the draft. why would we trade the best player in the draft, at the most important position away?

by omahacolt on Feb 4, 2012 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

That's not what I said

I am not saying the Colts shouldn’t draft Luck. I personally think he will be a good, if not great QB. I am also not saying that he has to be the best QB over the next decade to be worth a #1 pick. What I am saying is that there’s an attitude that he IS going to be the greatest QB since the dawn of football before he’s even taken a single NFL snap. I mean, I know that’s the nature of the draft, but chalk me down as a skeptic until I see him tear up the Pat’s secondary.

I am providing what I think would be preferable. I mean, if we can keep Manning and have Luck then I’d be all for that too, but as many have said here, that is rather unlikely to happen. I’m simply saying that if I had a choice between (1) have Luck and no Manning and (2) Have Manning and RGIII, I would take the latter.

I am a college student that sleeps with a St. Louis Cardinals Fredbird Pillow Pet, and I am proud of it.

by Sir Sci on Feb 4, 2012 4:13 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed Sir

Having Manning now guarantees more wins immediately. And allows Luck to be the Standout rookie he should be for another team. Getting RG3 as a consolation is not bad at all.

by Wayne_4_President on Feb 4, 2012 10:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed also

Glad to see some other fans who don’t have the blinders on.

by shoospa on Feb 5, 2012 1:13 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

thats stupid

shoospa agrees with you

sure fire way to know you are incorrect

by omahacolt on Feb 5, 2012 1:22 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't think so. . .

My argument is that if Luck comes and Manning is here, Luck WILL pull and Eli and Elway simply because he wants to shine immediately. Furthermore, if Manning is gone Luck may still decide to leave because what line is going to protect him. Definitely not the Colts. Lastly, IMO RG3 would be a better pick because given those two situations he is Raw enough to understand that it is in his best interest to sit or if any QB will go under center against a shaky O line it would be him.

I don’t care which way the Colts go because I am not that emotionally attached because it is just a game I love to watch. But again it just my opinion, the Colts will do what the Colts will do an some fans will unfortunately be sitting outside the Colts complex picketing if things do not go the way they believe it should.

by Wayne_4_President on Feb 5, 2012 11:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Thats your right man

I have a right to an opinion. Just like you do. It doesn’t mean that it wrong, however, this is a discussion board so if you could please enlighten me. Help me see the light lol.

by Wayne_4_President on Feb 6, 2012 12:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Ndamukong Suh

If this were the draft with Ndamukong Suh slated to be number 1, would anybody consider trading the pick? No, you wouldn’t. Suh and Luck are being touted as the best prospects at their position in the last decade or longer, and yet so many Colts fans don’t believe it.

by GrizzColt on Feb 4, 2012 5:00 PM EST reply actions  

for the most part

people that dont buy into luck are just huge manning fans and hate the thought of anyone playing qb for the colts other than manning. these fans are idiots and hopefully leave next month when manning does

some guys dont buy into all the hype. which is fair. the hype for luck is a bit overblown. doesnt make him a bad player though

by omahacolt on Feb 4, 2012 6:07 PM EST up reply actions  

doesn’t make him a bad player is 100% right but you’ve been a cheerleader on team luck for a minute. i already know who will be the first person in line for his jersey.

luck will not lead the colts to a SB. get over it.

by BigMan74 on Feb 4, 2012 11:25 PM EST up reply actions  

really

some of you people just cant comprehend written words. its pretty embarrassing some of the comments you kids make towards me. its like you dont even listen

what else can you see with that crystal ball of yours big guy

by omahacolt on Feb 5, 2012 12:51 AM EST up reply actions  

You make as many 'crystal ball' statements as anyone

and then change your stance when you’re wrong. You also do a lot of ‘hindsight’ posting. It’s obnoxious…

"It's about the journey--mine and yours--and the lives we can touch, the legacy we can leave, and the world we can change for the better."
— Tony Dungy

by Mark Olson on Feb 5, 2012 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Just off of the top of my head

When you said Mark Herzlich wouldn’t be able to keep a spot on an NFL roster. He laughed all the way to the Super Bowl.

"It's about the journey--mine and yours--and the lives we can touch, the legacy we can leave, and the world we can change for the better."
— Tony Dungy

by Mark Olson on Feb 5, 2012 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly

"It's about the journey--mine and yours--and the lives we can touch, the legacy we can leave, and the world we can change for the better."
— Tony Dungy

by Mark Olson on Feb 5, 2012 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL

I see great things in baseball. It's our game - the American game. It will take our people out-of-doors, fill them with oxygen, give them a larger physical stoicism. Tend to relieve us from being a nervous, dyspeptic set. Repair these losses, and be a blessing to us. ~Walt Whitman

by Chopaholic on Feb 6, 2012 1:38 AM EST up reply actions  

and we could say..

those who are so gung ho to draft luck and cut PM act as if his recovery is 100% impossible, that he will never play another effective down in the NFL and that Luck will be the best QB to ever play the game. This is called “grass is greener syndrome” and those who suffer from it often suffer harsh realties when everything comes to pass.

I’m in favor of drafting the best QB available and keeping PM to see what he has left.

Let’s face it, college success doesn’t always translate to the NFL that well. We are doing nothing more than guessing with both of these guys. Peyton is at a minimum a top 3 quarterback in the past 20 years. It’s worth seeing if that type of player can still play if his physical comes back okay. A prospect is nothing more than a possibility and isn’t worth comparing to someone who has proven they can master their craft over the last almost 15 years.

"It's about the journey--mine and yours--and the lives we can touch, the legacy we can leave, and the world we can change for the better."
— Tony Dungy

by Mark Olson on Feb 5, 2012 12:35 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

what you fail to comprehend though

is that manning will not be healthy by march 8th. therefore to keep him would be a foolish risk. you cant pay manning that cash unless he is fine. and he wont be by the 8th.

you are trying to compare them on the field. you cant do that. you have no idea if manning can even get on the field again.

the scouts can do their jobs and decide if luck can play at the next level. nobody can predict what mannings nerve will do. and you dont gamble that much cash on a medical risk of that nature.

by omahacolt on Feb 5, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

you don't know that for sure

we haven’t had an update on Manning’s throwing ability since early December. Nobody knows where he’ll be at March 8th. He’s probably just as likely to blow everyone’s doors off as he is to still being stuck with 20yd outs. Back in december it was also said that he wasn’t testing his arm strength for fear of further damage. I really think that has been overlooked now that he has been cleared to resume his ‘nfl’ career. While doctors had held him back for fear of making things worse before, it sounds like they’re letting him do anything and everything now.

The gist of all that is, no one knows where he’s at and it’s ridiculous to speak in absolutes about him until March 8 arrives.

"It's about the journey--mine and yours--and the lives we can touch, the legacy we can leave, and the world we can change for the better."
— Tony Dungy

by Mark Olson on Feb 5, 2012 1:15 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

wrong

his agent even said he cant throw well enough at this moment and it might be May before they know

by omahacolt on Feb 5, 2012 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Can we get a link?

I haven’t heard that at all…

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— Tony Dungy

by Mark Olson on Feb 5, 2012 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

can you get a link?

probably. bbs probably already hit on it somewhere.

but no. i am not doing your homework for you

by omahacolt on Feb 5, 2012 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

It's your own homework

I’m not making baseless claims. BBS is not gospel. In fact lately he’s gotten things wrong more often than right. I’m not sure you want to associate with him in terms of stating facts. It’s your job to back up your point. Just like if someone asks me for a source, I’ll go and find it.

Quit making BS up…

"It's about the journey--mine and yours--and the lives we can touch, the legacy we can leave, and the world we can change for the better."
— Tony Dungy

by Mark Olson on Feb 5, 2012 3:37 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

And here you go:

Condon:

“How effective he would be in the game, probably not as effective today as he would be two months from now.”

"The rehabilitation is going very well, and [Manning] believes that also. He’s made a substantial amount of progress and we anticipate him playing football next year."

BBS:

Condon said that Manning’s medical clearance means it would be safe for him to play, and that he wouldn’t be risking greater injury to his neck. Condon added, however, that Manning’s nerve regeneration hasn’t reached the point where he would be able to step on the field and play in an NFL game today.

I’m sorry, but that’s not reading between the lines. That’s putting BBS’s lines between the lines. Bloggers state opinions not facts. Condon was never quoted as saying Peyton isn’t ready today. When he was referencing that Peyton would be more ready in 2 months, he was referring to how a player prepares for training camp:

“He’s on a timeline," Condon said of Manning’s recovery. "I don’t know how much different this is from an ACL, where a guy comes out of the surgery and isn’t able to do very much, and then progresses to the time he gets to training camp. We expect him to play.”

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/sfl-peyton-manning-miami-dolphins-kelly-20120203,0,6793577.story

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by Mark Olson on Feb 5, 2012 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

good job

see. i was right

i thought bbs had the info for ya.

by omahacolt on Feb 5, 2012 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

hahahaha

Is this another one of BBS personalities? I wondered if he had MPD prior to this year and then everything started coming off as self destructive. There must have been so much negativity that he had to spill into a 2nd handle: omahacolt

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by Mark Olson on Feb 5, 2012 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

When something is over-hyped and you realize it:

Find someone who doesn’t realize it and get them to pay the over hyped price. It’s just like an auction. The winning bidder always overpays. The winner is always the person who holds the most value to the particular item they win. If it were worth the price they paid to anyone else, the other person would have bid.

Andrew Luck is commanding a king’s ransom in draft picks. If you let someone else have them, not only are you getting incredible value for that pick (more than any other player in the history of the NFL draft), but you’re ensuring that the team he goes to is crippled for years to come. The team he goes to will have to give up 5 of the most important picks over the next 2 or 3 years.

"It's about the journey--mine and yours--and the lives we can touch, the legacy we can leave, and the world we can change for the better."
— Tony Dungy

by Mark Olson on Feb 5, 2012 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I would trade the Suh pick for 3 #1s and a 2 #2s

Absolutely, every day of the week and twice on Sunday. I would probably do the same thing for Cam Newton.

"It's about the journey--mine and yours--and the lives we can touch, the legacy we can leave, and the world we can change for the better."
— Tony Dungy

by Mark Olson on Feb 5, 2012 2:29 PM EST up reply actions  

wtf happened

all of my posts doubled. am i really that important

by omahacolt on Feb 4, 2012 7:05 PM EST reply actions  

in comment to the initial article .

is the Colts drafting andrew luck as valid as the one article you wrote that caldwell was going to remain the head coach. What happened then, caldwell was fired the next day.

" KEEP MAKING THINGS UP WHILE YOU SIT IN YOUR MOMS BASEMENT AND PRETEND TO BE A JOURNALIST ". as per Jeff Saturday

by maggot head on Feb 4, 2012 7:19 PM EST reply actions  

Wait a second... Luck is favored for consistency...

Then you articulate this with those stats, showing similar years in 2010, then Griffin having an amazing year in 2011, eclipsing Luck’s numbers, at least in yardage. Why’d you post that?

I’m not saying Luck won’t be the better NFL qb. I didn’t see Griffin play much. I did see Luck play quite a bit, and think his learning curve may be a bit more arduous than you suggest. What I completely disagree with, is your suggestion that Griffin’s massive year somehow made him inconsistent.

by nmbr5ml on Feb 4, 2012 8:05 PM EST reply actions   3 recs

Same thing I thought

…seeing the numbers posted, using the consistency argument to distinguish the two is garbage. You could argue that Luck hit a ceiling during his 2010 campaign, while Griffin not only had similar numbers to Luck’s 2010 season but improved on that in ’11. Only argument left is this pro system talk; but with Luck having one of the best, if not the best O-line in all of college football, a very good running game, and a good defense one has to wonder how good he really is. We know that in a pro system having those things can make average QBs look great.

by soforizo on Feb 4, 2012 10:19 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

thought the same thing

i think this article is a bit slanted. RG3 and Luck could BOTH be huge busts but to post those numbers then marvel at consistency when both seem pretty much equal…. did not make a bit of sense.

i still am more excited about Tyler Bray next year than Luck. I do not see any killer instinct with Luck that I see with the man he is supposed to be like… Manning. In college Manning went for the kill.

by BigMan74 on Feb 4, 2012 11:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn't say that about Luck

There’s a video out there where someone recovers a fumble downfield, starts running it back and Luck CRUSHES him, causing another fumble. Luck shows all the traits you could look for as far as intangibles. He has a good arm, good accuracy and great field awareness. I’ve seen him conduct Manning-like audibles, grabbing guys and moving them, changing the whole formation at the line.

My concern with Luck is that he had a run-heavy offense at Stanford, and the run game was dominant for the most part. That allowed him to throw to wide-open receivers, all the time, on play-action. He also had great receivers, who went and got balls and gained a lot of yards after the catch. Whoever #1 is for Stanford, is a stud, with a future in the NFL, and #2 is not far behind him.

When the run game bogged down, and “must-pass” situations arose, Luck struggled. This is where interceptions occurred. He also took quite a few sacks in these situations. His mechanics were sound; he looked like an NFL QB back there. He just didn’t execute well in those situations at all. It’s worth mentioning that there were only a few competitive games for Stanford. Like most top-10 teams, the dominated most of their games and had blowout victories.

Let’s also not overlook the fact that Luck runs very well. He is fast, has quick feet and can gain big yardage. Griffin is clearly faster and runs better. Griffin will probably come in and do that better than any QB in the NFL. I just don’t know much else about Griffin aside from his obvious physical talent, both on the ground and in the air.

I do know that the reasons listed in this article for Luck over Griffin don’t hold water. I’d be interested in getting some insight from someone who knows.

by nmbr5ml on Feb 5, 2012 9:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Being a run-heavy offense

and a good run offense at that, that right there is what concerns me the most; along with having one of the best, if not the best O-line in all of College football with two sure 1st rounders in the draft. You have to be an awful QB to not feast on a defense under those conditions; and yet Andrew doesn’t quite stand out as a mega star. Right now he’s more hype than substance.

by soforizo on Feb 5, 2012 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Griffin isn't just faster

he literally has olympic speed. Even in the case of Vick the QB is never the fastest player on the field. With griffin he very well could be.

I’m not saying this is a reason to draft him, it’s just worth noting.

"It's about the journey--mine and yours--and the lives we can touch, the legacy we can leave, and the world we can change for the better."
— Tony Dungy

by Mark Olson on Feb 5, 2012 12:40 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

also worth noting

that griffen said that playing in the nfl is not his top priority. becoming a lawyer and the olympics are.

i am not drafting that player

by omahacolt on Feb 5, 2012 12:55 PM EST up reply actions  

years ago

The most recent interviews he has said all he cares about is becoming an nfl star. I think this article shows he’s dedicated to his NFL career.

"It's about the journey--mine and yours--and the lives we can touch, the legacy we can leave, and the world we can change for the better."
— Tony Dungy

by Mark Olson on Feb 5, 2012 1:17 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

oh shocker

with millions on the line now he changes his mind. lol. surprise surprise

by omahacolt on Feb 5, 2012 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

your not drafting anyone because you don't own a team and never will

keep playing fantasy football and posting your stupidity on this dumb board …moron

by maggot head on Feb 5, 2012 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

easy there maggot

i dont think mark should be called a moron. misinformed? sure

but not a moron

by omahacolt on Feb 5, 2012 2:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, he was talking about your though

You probably got confused because he said ‘moron’ instead of ‘ass-hole’. You don’t get moron as often, not that you shouldn’t…

"It's about the journey--mine and yours--and the lives we can touch, the legacy we can leave, and the world we can change for the better."
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by Mark Olson on Feb 5, 2012 3:55 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Yes...

I believe this highlight is what made me watch him more. Luck is definitely special. What makes Luck the more likely pick is simply because he can start right away and RG3 is just a year behind. However, the one thing people say about Michael Vick is that if he could just throw the ball consistently he would be the Most unstoppable force on the field. RG3 can be that guy. Vick never threw the Ball as effectively as Griffin has proven to be able to do.

by Wayne_4_President on Feb 6, 2012 12:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Not sure what rock you've been hiding,

but the combine and Pro Days have already been taken into account; those are irrelevant when it comes to selecting the #1 pick and are but a formality regardless of the results. ;-)

by soforizo on Feb 5, 2012 2:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Looks like he wants to...

…be a Colt and is hungry for it, so why write him off?

by Antillar on Feb 5, 2012 12:52 AM EST reply actions  

there's reasons he said this

mainly, he has nothing to lose, he knows Luck will probably go #1 and he, like Manning, is represented by CAA, who want Manning getting that $28 mil. But I agree, it would be stupid to pencil in Luck as the #1 pick without following the due process of the draft.

by Tony Ugoh on Feb 5, 2012 1:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Portraying RG3 as arrogant is unfair

Luck is telling anyone who will listen that he wants to play year one. He may get that chance this year. But for RG3 to want to learn from Manning is refreshing. And not mentioning those quotes from him was irresponsible.

by jackj7 on Feb 5, 2012 7:48 AM EST reply actions   2 recs

exactly

but this blog now bows at the feet of luck and has slanted all stories that way since day one. this is less reporting news and more entertainment and personal opinion now and just come to laugh at stories and reports that never pan out and at comments.

by BigMan74 on Feb 5, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Media

Is all about perception. If that is what they want to highlight then that is what will get out there. What I took from it was that there is just a player that has a bit of a chip on his shoulder and has a goal in mind and is determined to get it.

by Wayne_4_President on Feb 6, 2012 12:12 AM EST up reply actions  

this blog now is the official andrew luck jock strap carrier. it even slants its stories towards him now.

if andrew luck would have said the same thing this blog would have said wow look at the leadership this guy has. they would have compared him to manning when he said if the colts did not pick him he would kick their a** for years. RG3 says it and now he’s “cocky” but then almost realizes it at the end and then tries to clean it up since they realize it.

if the colts do not pick luck this blog and many other “fans” who dog out manning fans will then go livid and act like spoiled brats they didn’t get him. and I will sit back grinning.

by BigMan74 on Feb 5, 2012 11:49 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

why

would you be happy with manning being gone and the not getting the best qb in the draft?

makes no sense to me.

by omahacolt on Feb 5, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

not surprised

hell, I wouldn’t be surprise if you’ve tattooed the words “LUV ANDREW” on your breasts by now. For once give us more than your Easy-Bake oven cookie cutter analysis.

by soforizo on Feb 5, 2012 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

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