Miami Dolphins Owner Is Gaga For Peyton Manning
by Brad Wells on Feb 5, 2012 11:51 AM EST
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PrintThe Super Bowl is today, but just as it has dominated the headlines all week leading up, the Colts and Peyton Manning once again steal a big chunk of the spotlight from the Patriots and Giants. The impending divorce between Indy and No. 18 seems is highly anticipated, and the cottage industry that is going to spring up later (the 'Where will Peyton play next year?' industry) is saying that Miami Dolphins owner Stephen Ross is "infatuated" with the four-time league MVP.
Barry Jackson from the Miami Herald gives us an idea of just how nuts Ross is for Peyton:
If the Dolphins are led to believe by agent Tom Condon that they’re a serious contender for Manning when he's released – and that his arm should be strong enough by the start of the season – then they are expected to wait as long as necessary on Manning if he doesn't make a decision quickly. That's because owner Stephen Ross is infatuated with the idea of signing him. The Dolphins believe they have a realistic chance of luring Manning, who owns a condo in South Beach and has an affinity for South Florida.
Peyton in Miami would certainly be interesting, and it would complete his career-long comparison to Dolphins great Dan Marino, who was Manning's idol growing up. It would also put Peyton in the same division with Tom Brady once again.
I'm not sure how good of a fit Miami would be for Peyton in terms of competitiveness. The Dolphins are NOT a quarterback away from contention. Their offensive weapons are limited, and their defense lacks playmakers. Personally, I don't see a reason for Peyton to play there other than that it's a sunny place in winter.
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i could see manning playing anywhere
as long as they pay him the most money. i would not root for manning if he went to the dolphins. i would hope that would end poorly for him
I don’t see Manning going to a 6-10 team. lol
I would think the Jets or Eagles look like a nice option if I was Manning.
Just the idea of Manning playing for another team makes my stomach churn.
And it's now my sig
by Bronn on May 17, 2011 4:56 PM EDT
lol
An 8-8 team isn’t much better than 6-10
by Adam McDougal on Feb 5, 2012 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
Manning was on a 6-10
team his whole career. And he took them to the super bowl two times.
by Ayrshire on Feb 5, 2012 4:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Not true...
Lots of talent on the team mid 00s good line great RB great WRs. If you put a good QB from that era (McNabb Palmer Vick etc.) that team they win 9-11 games not 14…Peyton benefited from having Marvin wide open all the time and edge gaining 1500 every year. No one wins 12-13 games every year without a HOF QB…no one wins more than 6 games with a revolving door at QB…
If you put a solid QB like a Romo on this years team they win 6-8 games not 2…
I like you Ayr…but Manning didn’t carry the team a by him self for 14 years. The last 3-4 yes but not the whole time
by (206)NightRidah on Feb 5, 2012 4:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I am not sure Manning would go to the Dolphins. I dont think its about the money now.
They need more weapons, and Brandon Marshall would have to tone down his antics. I see Manning going to either the Redskins, Cards or the Broncs.
Sounds accurate
He is the same guy who turned down a $100+ million deal to give the Colts extra money to re-sign players, right? Sounds familiar. Oh well. Your baseless claims are probably solid, too.
by PeytonTheManning on Feb 5, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
oh yeah. what a selfless player lol
he still was the highest paid player. saying he took less is a very misleading thing to say
Are you arguing that the best player doesn't deserve the most money?
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by stonewall12345678 on Feb 5, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
makes no difference
your just a bitter person anyway. you lack the ability to reflect on how different your attitude would be had either colts played better this season without Manning or Manning himself played. The fact the team crashed and is given the oppurtunity to draft 1st and JUST so happen a QB prospect is available. It could have easily been Colts drafting in the high single digit. What then? would you be rooting to still get rid of Manning. Luck will suck I gaurantee it. The best way for the colts to be better is trade and get better as group in the draft. Every one is saying the Luck is the next manning the same way they said it about all the other supposed QB drafted.
lol
1) you gaurantee luck will suck? why? other than you just cant fathom another qb other than manning.
2) if the colts werent in a position to draft a good qb then i wouldnt want them to reach for a qb. if manning were completely healthy and luck is there then i still want luck.
3) manning isnt healthy. which is the main reason why he should be gone. you cant invest that kind of jack when you dont know if he will ever be healthy again. how hard is that to comprehend? its just smart business. picking up the option when manning isnt healthy is beyond retarded
4) anybody wanting the colts to pick up the option on an unhealthy manning shouldnt be posting on this message board. they should be coloring instead.
Really?
What other QB coming out in the draft in the last decade has been labled the “next Manning” or the next “Insert HOF QB”???
Because I sure as hell don’t recall any. Just because a QB was taken with the first overall, doesn’t mean that the scouts who know the biz thought they were a sure fire winner. You’re an idiot.
I really don't think there have been any can't-miss superstar QBs drafted since Peyton
Newton, Stafford, Bradford and Ryan (three #1 draft picks and a #4 [Ryan]) were all considered great QB prospects, but none were compared to Manning except maybe Ryan, but that’s only because he was a 4-year starter who was considered a more cerebral and polished QB.
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Bradford
He was called the next Peyton just a few years ago by countless draft gurus.
by PeytonTheManning on Feb 7, 2012 2:48 AM EST up reply actions
irsay was the one insisting he be the highest paid player
i don't give autographs
by muncie_in_this on Feb 5, 2012 3:18 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
NFL Network on Sirius XM Radio has a report about Manning's contract
saying that Peyton would be willing to renegotiate his current deal with the Colts so that he is due $0 upfront, and the balance of his $28 million bonus and the rest of his contract would be based upon performance and incentives.
If Irsay doesn’t bring Manning back to the negotiating table now that Manning has come out with this, then you know that Irsay’s mind has been made up on the matter already. If Manning’s contract is re-worked to a salary-cap friendly number with incentives, then I think you do it.
And Manning isn’t all about the money. Irsay wanted to make Peyton the NFL’s first $25 million per-season guy, but Peyton declined. With this new report, it marks the 3rd time Peyton has been willing to rework a deal for less money.
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I thought the report
was he was willing to do that with OTHER teams, which really pissed me off. Do you have a link to clarify?
Because if Manning is indeed willing to be released and sign an incentive-laden deal full of non-guarantee, Irsay would be an absolute fool, not to do it. We WILL draft Luck, but just because we draft him doesn’t mean he has to start this season.
If Manning will do a cap-friendly deal (the antithesis of the current contract), you bring him back, you bring back Reggie, you make Freeney re-do his deal, you re-sign Garcon, you re-sign or franchise Mathis, Saturday plays one more, and then the Colts win 9 to 11, get in the playoffs and have a shot at one more Superbowl since the last 6 years have shown us it’s about getting in and being hot, not dominating the regular season.
And then after next year, or possibly 2 years, we part ways.
If Manning was cut by the Colts, his contract would be void
Thus he wouldn’t have anything contract to re-negotiate. From the statement, the word “re-negotiation” indicates a change in his current contract with the Colts. If he intends this only for other teams, the only way re-negotiating would come into play is if Peyton is planning on getting traded. Otherwise he’d be cut, his contract would be void, and there’d be nothing to re-negotiate at all. Just new contracts.
I don’t have a link – I heard this on the radio.
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by BoilerUp1982 on Feb 6, 2012 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
They've talked about it all morning on 1070
Unless a clarified statement has been dropped, he’s only offering the incentivized deals to new teams. I read Schefter’s report. It only refers to new teams.
Unless another statement is made by his camp fully saying he will, “renegotiate and will aim to stay in Indianapolis if Indy wants me…”, etc it’s already understood that he’s moving on. Condon in multiple interviews late last week said Peyton intends to play somewhere next year. He said that glowingly. He was directly asked would they be willing to renegotiate his current deal with Indy due to the injury risk and the absolute cap-hell this shitty contract that Condon designed puts the Colts in. Condon gave an extremely vague ~“we’ll see what happens answer.”
Bottom line, it’s already understood that the divorce is inevitable and it’ll simply be a matter of fans deciding who is the bad guy and then then as time goes on we’ll see if Manning’s nerves regenerate and he becomes an MVP again, or if the multitude of reports from 2 weeks ago are correct that he will never have a big league arm again.
He's done it twice before.
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by BoilerUp1982 on Feb 6, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
He's never taken less money
He’s pushed out bonuses. But those were always in cases where he was surrounded by veteran talent and he knew he was going to be here as the guy for a very long time. In this case, neither of those exist.
thats right hetfield
i dont get why people think manning restructured and took less money
Before signing his last contract, there was a deal on the table from Irsay which would have payed Manning $25 million per season
How does declining that and settling on a contract that averages to just over $17 million per season = taking more money?
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by BoilerUp1982 on Feb 6, 2012 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
He didn't take $17M
He took $26M last year. The $17M was the average over 5 years….with it being heavily front-loaded in the first 2.
I get the feeling, that even when presented with undeniable evidence, you'd still disagree
simply because of the internet persona you’ve crafted with your omahacolt username.
That’s fine; some people enjoy being juvenile with their disagreements, some people enjoy being jerks.
I think you’re wrong regarding Manning and his contracts, and I’d implore you back up your stances with facts and figures. If you can prove your point with such evidence, I’ll agree with you and stand corrected.
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by BoilerUp1982 on Feb 6, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Here's some evidence to back up my stance on how Manning has taken less money in contract negotiations for the good of the team
and the important text, if you don’t want to read the article:
A Colts source said Manning had told Irsay a five-year, $100 million proposal that was heavily back-loaded in the final two years was not necessary to give him a $20 million average that no NFL player has ever attained.
“While I appreciate Jim Irsay offering to make me the highest-paid player,” Manning told The Indianapolis Star, “I told him I’d rather he save that money and keep whoever it is … (running back) Joe Addai, (left tackle) Charlie Johnson … whoever that may be. I’m willing to take less than they’ve offered if they are going to take that money to keep players we need to keep and go get other players. All I want is for them to have the cap and the cash to keep the players they want to keep and to sign other players.”
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by BoilerUp1982 on Feb 6, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
we're talking apples and oranges here
Basically there was no limit to what Condon and Manning could ask for. Going back to last summer he could have demanded say $22.5 mill a year and Indy wouldn’t have been able to say no. Because no matter what you pay the 4-time MVP at the top of his game (and we’ll assume he was last summer since the injury stuff was in the dark), since in true value Manning couldn’t pay him enough.
You are being taken for a ride here and now that we see the whole picture and that another surgery was necessary that eliminated his play last season, and then Peyton reveals it was really a one-year team option, I think more of the public will start to understand this was all a power-play by Condon.
Dig a little further for analysis of the deal in the days following the deal and everything mentions how almost all of the money is in the first 3 years with nominal salaries around $8 mill in years 4 and 5. It wasn’t until October or November when we got a Peyton update that he revealed he gave the Colts an out in case he was to hurt to play again by giving the one-year team option. What he didn’t expand on is what we’re seeing now: he has all of the leverage to force his way out due to the cap hell it puts us in and we’re in a position where theirs too much risk to take for a guy who may never have his tricep nerves again be at an MVP level.
Does anybody else see this?
By not taking the “biggest” deal Peyton was being a good guy. No he wasn’t, by agreeing to the deal that was signed, he got the deal that gave him the most leverage and an effective no-trade clause. Hence the Colts are in the position they are in now, sign him and they have to keep him for at least 3 years to wait to get out of cap-hell and get value out of extending the deal. They can’t trade him because the $28 mill bonus accelerates to this year. Manning and Condon had EVERY right to only offer a deal that gave them leverage, but don’t make it out that this is some deal that Manning took “less money” to do them a favor.
Think about it. He could have signed a traditional back loaded deal like most NFL deals are, like Marvin Harrison’s. Like Dwight Freeney’s current one. When I say most NFL deals, I mean it increments up in salary to the point where the last 2 years are gargantuan numbers and because of the cap force a renegotiation or a release. And the only real purpose those last 2 years serve is to stroke the ego of the player and agent to say “I got my buy the biggest deal ever at $115 mill” or whatever. Manning is at the end of his career, he saw what happened with Harrison. He didn’t want that, he wanted a deal that gave him leverage AND real cash, guaranteed cash NOW.
The best deal in long-term for Indy would have been a basic one like say 5 years $100 mill with a $40 mill signing bonus. Work the math out on that: You’d have $8 mill a year prorated bonus against the cap. And then year 1 – $8 M, year 2 – $12 M, year 3 – $16 M, year 4 – $20 M, year 5 – $24 Mil.
This would have made his 2011 cap number $16 M. It would have made his 2012 cap number $20 mil. Then with the new TV deal kicking in a couple years and more cap space maybe he could be kept at cap numbers of $24 M in year 3 and $28 M in year 4. Year 5 would have been to high, and he either would have retired, renegotiated, or been released.
Travel back to late July after the lockout was over. Everybody was kicking and screaming what was taking a deal so long to get done. Fans were wondering why they couldn’t get a deal done now and re-sign Addai, Charlie Johnson, go get a FA or 2, etc.
It’s because for a week Irsay and Polian were fighting Condon on what would end up being a very unique contract full of risk, a couple of very large cash-now signing bonuses, but offset that with the team option for a guy that could not at the time pass a physical (which is usually a requirement). Then a month later he goes under the knife again. Irsay had to be pissed.
Anybody follow me here, I may make this a separate fanpost.
I see what you're saying - thanks for doing so without being a jerk about it
The fact that the contract was front-loaded, a diversion from past big Colts contracts, is an interesting one. I could speculate that his current deal was constructed in a way that would ensure Manning would retire as a Colt, because I do not believe that he nor Irsay believed that Manning’s injury would linger like it has. And it would be easier to keep an aging Vet like Manning on the roster in the final years of his contract if it only meant paying him less and less money.
My initial point remains though – Manning has been open to renegotiating deals in the past, and he has done so. I realize that the deal which he is currently under is still the most lucrative in NFL History, but Irsay was ready to give Manning even more money, and he declined.
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Right it would have prevented
Manning from being a year 4 or 5 cap casualty like Harrison was.
But at the same time, if his true first priority was ending with Indy, Condon would give them the same deal they are leaking to other teams: that he will play for full incentives. My guess is it will also require that he can’t be franchised.
If they give the Colts the very same offer, then all in the world is good again and Manning literally would have done everything he could to stay a Colt. I also think we’d go crazy and try to bring back as many vets as possible like Wayne and Clark. And I’d call Irsay a fool for not taking his $20 mill incentive offer or whatever. There’s nothing wrong with making Luck wait a year to start.
But if the Colts aren’t given the same offer, I hope a decent amount of fans will realize Irsay is making the right call to not bring back Manning at the current price tag and cap hit. A majority of fans won’t understand this because a majority fans don’t understand the intricacies of all this stuff, just the headlines.
If it turns out that Condon and Manning aren't interested at all in re-working with the Colts, that'd be a shame.
I would understand though – Manning has said he wants to finish he career as a Colt, but I honestly think he’d rather spend the rest of his career competing for Championships. And if he stays in Indy, they might be at least a couple years out with all the coaching and F.O. turnover.
Of course, Grigson comes from a Philly team that was active in Free Agency, so it’s possible that if Manning stays put, more emphasis is put on filling holes with F.A. vets rather than rookies in the draft.
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Not sure why they wouldn't compete
What dominant team stands in their way? The Pats have just as many defensive holes. The Ravens still lack a QB. The Steelers are too inconsistent. The Packers have a bad defense. Same for the Saints.
Every team has holes. The 49ers just went to the NFC Championship with a new staff, and a good young QB who is nowhere near Peyton.
The Colts still have 3 Pro Bowlers on defense, if Mathis is re-signed. They have an emerging linebacker core. They need a NT and as many DBs as they can find. Two average to above average ones should be available somewhere. A NT and 2 DBs would make the defense solid with the current state of the league.
I just completely disagree with all of the comments about needing time to be competitive. I know everybody tends to be prisoners of the moment, and they just went 2-14. Take Brady, Brees, Rodgers, or most other top level QBs off their teams, and put in Painter. See how it works for them. None would have been over .500. The Colts had a chance to win 4-5 other games with average QB play. This isn’t an awful mess that can’t be fixed with a few good moves and quality QB play.
by PeytonTheManning on Feb 8, 2012 1:05 AM EST up reply actions
His contract
He got roughly $50 million guaranteed with the $90 million contract. Why would he have taken less with the $100 million deal? It would have been more like $55-$60 million guaranteed.
Cutting him would have been absolutely impossible with that bonus. $60 million signing bonus. The team would have already paid it. Only 1/5, $12 million would have counted against the cap in year 1. $48 million left. That would all hit the cap in dead money in either one season or split over two, depending on if GE was cut before or after June.
$48 million in dead money or $11? Hmmmm. Seems like the deal helped the Colts to me. There would have been absolutely no way they could have ever cut him on that deal. The deal he signed with this out clause at least makes is feasible, if he’s hurt.
Of course his agent chose to have the bonus date before the new league year. He had to protect his client. If it was after the new league year, then Irsay would have all the negotiating power. He could make them take a lesser deal, or let them know he was going to trade him to an awful team. Condon made sure Manning would get to pick his landing spot, if the Colts didn’t want to pay him. Seems like it was a good deal for both to me.
by PeytonTheManning on Feb 7, 2012 3:04 AM EST up reply actions
wrong
you are talking about restructuring and taking less money. that didnt happen
what manning did was no take the back loaded deal that he would have never seen anyway. he was still the highest paid player.
I literally think you just proved boilers point about still disagreeing when presented with undeniable evidence
You are a joke, Omaha. Boiler is stating that Manning had taken less money than offered before so the colts could retain players, and then he posts a link that had Manning being quoted as saying he took less money than he was offered to retain other players.
You just can’t stand that someone disagrees with you, backs it up with proof, and proves you wrong. And yes, you are wrong. Hilariously wrong.
by TheWeasley on Feb 6, 2012 12:38 PM EST via Android app up reply actions 1 recs
See my long post above
Omaha Colts may not be 100% accurate but you guys have your blinders on if you think Condon wasn’t heavily scheming when the last deal was signed. Otherwise, why not sign a basic deal like I just described.
by JHetfield99 on Feb 6, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
See my long post above
To see why your long post above doesn’t add up.
by PeytonTheManning on Feb 8, 2012 1:07 AM EST up reply actions
actually
he is somewhat correct. it is a nice spin on the last contract but whatever. he is somewhat correct. manning left out some of the funny money that he knew he would never get so it looked like he was doing the colts a favor and taking less money.
my original point was about the restructures manning did in his career to free up cap space.
I can see it in the Cards...
that he will land in Arizona. I think that would be the best fit for him, and an easy enough conference for him to take over.
Brian \m/ Sme
by Faithfully Blue on Feb 5, 2012 12:15 PM EST reply actions
The only bad thing regarding the Dolphins is the tough competition in their division
Cardinals OL and D sucks.
Redskins play twice vs Eli.
Broncos have the antiColts-douche Elway in their organization and sucked vs Pats.
SF, KC, Jets, Seattle or Miami should be it.
SF
they could win 3 in a row with P- Money
by OBGYNOSUPREME on Feb 5, 2012 4:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Who cares
He could go to New England for all I care!!!!! If he’s not on the Colts…….well, he won’t be on the Colts!!!!
Really?!
Who cares? Well for starters you should. If not for Peyton, there is no Super Bowl in Indy this year, there is no Lucas Oil Stadium, there is no Super Bowl Title owned by the city of Indianapolis, and most of all there are no Colts in Indianapolis! You ought to hit your knees and thank the guy for making this team relevant to anybody outside of Indianapolis. The Colts are my team and I’ll continue to pull for them. But I am a Manning fan first. I only watched college ball as a small kid. I have family who are Vol fans and I followed him from there to Indy. He is why I LOVE football so much. So I’ll pull for him then Colts until he retires then Colts again and I’ll never have to worry about loving any one player over the team cuz it won’t happen again. And yall can call me bandwagon fan or whatever and that is fine. I know I’m not. I’m not from Indy and so Peyton was my in to the team. Makes sense that I’d be a Manning guy first, Colts guy second. But honestly, you wouldn’t care if he wound up in NE? What the hell is wrong with you?!
by MachoColtsFan on Feb 5, 2012 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
I still want to see Manning do well...
he has done a lot for this city, and I hate to see him go, but we cannot afford to keep him. I would like to see him win another ring. Unless of course that is against the Colts.
Brian \m/ Sme
by Faithfully Blue on Feb 5, 2012 12:25 PM EST reply actions
not me
i dont want to see anyone win a ring unless he is on the colts.
Yes, we get your feelings from the previous 10 anti-Manning comments
by Ty46 on Feb 5, 2012 12:31 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
good
i will keep hammering that point home for the ones that need some more mental reps
Finally.....
we agree Omaha. BTW, is there a way to get these posts/replies via email. Would like to read anything Colts when I’m not home.
so youve only watched like 5 super bowls?
i don't give autographs
by muncie_in_this on Feb 5, 2012 3:27 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I guess you're not watching the Superbowl then?
Indy for Eli!!!
Brian \m/ Sme
by Faithfully Blue on Feb 5, 2012 12:32 PM EST reply actions
Package deal
If Dallas Clark is released, Peyton, Reggie, and Dallas to Arizona makes sense. Easy division, play indoors, have Fitzgerald and a good running game. We saw what a supposedly washed-up Kurt Warner was able to do there, I can see Peyton doing the same.
Ummm dude?
Whats with the user name?
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by stonewall12345678 on Feb 5, 2012 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
No offense T. Ugoh...just wanted to make
But who cares if Peyton takes the overpaid players with declining skill with him…
These are guys that routinely didn’t get it done in Indy! So we expect them to partner up and churn out SBs
by (206)NightRidah on Feb 5, 2012 4:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Dallas and Reggie didn't get it done?
God people
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by stonewall12345678 on Feb 5, 2012 4:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I want peyton to go to the 49ers
just thought of harbaugh and peyton together with that defense is awesome.
@andywittman
by andyprocombat on Feb 5, 2012 12:36 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I don’t see it happening I can’t picture Harbaugh wanting to bring in the guy who replaced him here.
That’s like Manning and Luck teaming up 15 years from now.
Weird.
Besides I think Alex Smith redeemed himself this year. They might need to work on their special teams and get another WR though.
Yeah Harbaugh couldn’t possibly want to bring in a 4 time MVP to play QB for him? Yeah, you’re right Alex Smith is totally a better option…
Wait. What?
Except said QB is still a question mark as far as playing status. And even so he still wouldn’t do that because Harbaugh would rather stick with Smith a guy he helped get out of the “Bust” status rather than bring in the guy that took his job.
Yes I believe that.
Arizona for sure
Indoors, fast stadium, good receivers. Peyton does not have a history of playing his best in poor east coast weather.
"Great Balls Of Fire, Reggie's Back!"
go find a mirror
and punch yourself in the face
Why would he need a mirror
He should be able to find his face without a mirror. That was just dumb of you to say. So dumb.
by PeytonTheManning on Feb 5, 2012 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
nope
it was implied that he should watch him get punched
He isn't going anywhere
Manning isn’t going anywhere..he will be QB of the Colts next Sept….Luck will be in training….Miami can drool all they want and any other team that thinks he will be their QB…impending divorce….I say impending makeup….
agreed
i happen to agree. peyton has said in the past that he will take less money to make the Colts a better team and it seems he is willing to do that again (given the reports are true). he wants to be a colt and i would like to see him stay a colt for a couple more years. i’m all about andrew luck but he will be better served learning from the best
actually no
he is saying he will take less and take an incentive laden deal for his new team. he will not do this for the colts
What's Irsay say?
Regardless of what Peyton wants or will do for the Colts Jim Irsay would have to be willing and that doesn’t really look to be the case.
by IllinoisColts on Feb 5, 2012 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
Let's face it
Reggie, Jeff, and Peyton are most likely headed elsewhere
Jeff
He probably won’t leave. He is contemplating one more season. The Colts already offered him a front office position, if he decides to hang them up. He would probably just make that transition.
by PeytonTheManning on Feb 7, 2012 3:10 AM EST up reply actions
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2012/2/4/2771316/why-peyton-will-choose-the-chiefs
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by motrepip on Feb 5, 2012 2:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Miami contenders.
I think everyone is missing the point. All you need is an elite quarterback and your a contender every year. Look at the Colts we have nothing but had Peyton Manning and the Colts were contenders. That all you need.
Manning owns a home in Miami
and he and Ashley have often discussed moving there. Or so I’ve read
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Be in the same division as Tom Brady again? Peyton was never in the same division as the pats. Same conference, but not the same division. I would say the fins would be well off having Manning. They have a good young defense with a few play makers and an improving secondary. They would be much improved with a good QB.
Both in AFC Central for a year
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by stonewall12345678 on Feb 5, 2012 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
Not central, East
error
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by stonewall12345678 on Feb 5, 2012 2:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I realize the consenus is Manning will be released
but if the Colts pay him the bonus, I hope there is a camera on every one of these owners the minute it’s announced. I want to see the life sucked out of them.
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Ha
It would be like seeing Cavs fans after Lebron gave them the big FU on TV.
by PeytonTheManning on Feb 7, 2012 3:12 AM EST up reply actions
I doubt Marino is Peyton's idol...
I’m pretty sure I remember an interview with a young Peyton. The reporter asked Peyton who his favorite player is? His response… “My Dad!”
NeXt Man Up
Peyton Manning is God he won 7SBs
Oh…that’s right! The Colts won 1 SB. Maybe they will build a team around Luck and play for SBs not 14 win regular seasons!
It Matters!
Hate to see 18 move on…but he isn’t worth the cap situation and the Colts as constructed are not worth his ability…
He needs to go to a contender. Colts need to rebuild and upgrade many talent poor positions
by (206)NightRidah on Feb 5, 2012 4:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
But that’s my point though if the Colts aren’t in SB contention why bother having him around.
This team needs to be built to be contenders regardless.
It shouldn’t really bother Colts fans if they cut Manning or if Manning wants to go elsewhere to have a shot at another SB.
I guess I was referring to omahacolt who hates Manning(and that’s fine) but wants him to go yet if he does is going to be upset about it.
Really which is it?
i dont hate manning, cf4l
i dont care for colts fans that are only colts fans because of manning.
i dont care for some of the things manning has done. i dont like the way he is handling this situation.
people like you like to throw out who i “hate” and who i “love” but you kids just dont comprehend what i actually post about the players
Yeah you could’ve fooled me its obvious you don’t think highly of the guy which is fine so why does it matter if he bails on the Colts?
We’re going with Luck anyways might as well move on. Manning can do the same elsewhere.
What I don’t get is why you don’t acknowledge Irsay isn’t handling the situation well either.
Tweeting about the Colts yet he wants things in house. Instead of being glad that Manning is cleared to resume his career he says “Well it wasn’t by our doctors!” really that’s what you say? Totally showed his hand. I don’t see Rooney or Kraft acting that way.
I mean really its obvious you(Irsay) made up your mind and want to move on from Manning I can respect that. Just man up and do it.
Manning is just a player but I expect an owner to actually be professional Irsay just seems like a tool to me.
irsay
is handling the situation perfectly. an employee having a problem should be kept in house. irsay is the owner. he can do what he wants.
manning wasnt cleared by the colts doctors. nothing wrong with irsay saying that. doesnt matter what doctor clears manning if it isnt the colts doctors.
irsay doesnt want to move on from manning. he doesnt want to pay for a qb that may not be healthy.
irsay is being professional. if manning and condon werent talking to the media through “sources” then you wouldnt hear a peep from irsay about it
If he doesn’t want to pay for a QB that isn’t healthy then yes he would be moving on from Manning (as he should) what part of that isn’t true?
You know if Rob Lowe didn’t tweet about Manning retiring or Yahoo Sports talking about Manning retiring Manning wouldn’t bother saying anything. However its his career and if he’s going to retire it should come from him not someone else.
Irsay can do whatever he wants doesn’t mean its the best move either.
Manning can also do whatever he wants but its not always the right thing either.
However Irsay hasn’t been a professional about any of this. No professional takes their grievances on Twitter about the whole thing. Have a publicist put it out there and stay out of Twitter. Just comes across immature.
I hate to say it but I think even Polian would’ve handled this better and that’s sad for me to even admit at this point.
give me a break
1) stop with the rob lowe shit. he is a dumbass actor. that is not irsay. my god man. go to the store and buy a damn clue
2) mannings agent already said that they were playing games with the media.
3) you dont like irsay on twitter. get over it. he wasnt starting shit until manning opened his spoiled mouth. good for irsay if he feels he should squash sources (manning) right off the bat. good for him
1) Who else would tell him such a thing? Seriously they’re friends regardless the media shouldn’t have used him as a source
Yeah Irsay wasn’t starting crap he wasn’t direct about anything the fact is he refers to Manning as a politician which is true but Irsay is no better either.
Really we the fans paid for that stadium not him he was the one who threatened to take the team from Indy.
So its okay for Irsay to say his peace but not Manning? Really?
Manning even wasn’t that inflammatory. Jimbo overreacted.
maybe
he just said dumb shit? maybe nobody told him. or maybe somebody that doesnt know anything told him.
what did irsay say to start this off? nothing
you are a manning fanboy. i get it. you cant look down on him. he is your hero.
i dont understand it but ok.. fair enough
You’re right because he would make that up out of nowhere maybe but really why would he unlike you he actually likes Manning.
Neither are faultless here but you accuse me of thinking Manning is above reproach yet you treat Jimbo as if he is.
He’s not either
irsay did nothing wrong
and why do you just assume that irsay told lowe manning was retiring when irsay said he did not.
is it not possible that lowe heard it from someone else. and who cares what rob lowe says. he isnt an authority on anything
Because who else would tell him such a thing?
They’re friends after all.
One would think if Irsay didn’t tell him he’d actually be mad at Lowe for such a thing
irsay said he didnt tell him
it was obviously wrong. why would irsay tell him such a wrong thing anyway? irsay knew he wasnt retiring.
completely foolish of you to insist it was irsay.
..and those 14 win seasons could have been more
had management let them ‘go for it’ in all 16 games.
Probably but my point is
That they only won one SB with Peyton. Only made 3 AFCGs! Therefore I think they can build a team that can win a SB with Luck if
he is the real deal…
I am glad they are moving to a 3-4 and going to focus on D. If Luck is elite the offense will take care of itself…
by (206)NightRidah on Feb 5, 2012 4:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Only 3?!
What the hell? Do you know how many teams in this league would trade any players or pay any amount of money for 3 conference championship appearances in a decade? Where does any Colts fan find this high brow attitude?
The team was in Indy for 14 seasons before Manning.
Before:
1 division title
1 AFC Championship Game (damn hail Mary)
0 Super Bowls
Winning % under .400
With:
8 division titles
3 AFC Championship Games
2 Super Bowls
1 Title
Winning % just under .700
Go back to 1998 and tell the fans that their new draft pick will lead the team to 2 Super Bowls and 1 Title. You would destroy their whole universe. We were the Royals. We were just doormats for the vast majority of our time in this city. Quit acting like 3 Championship Games isn’t incredible.
by PeytonTheManning on Feb 7, 2012 3:35 AM EST up reply actions
I know the Royals were good in the 70s-80s
They were doormats in the 90s and since. Just to specify.
by PeytonTheManning on Feb 7, 2012 3:37 AM EST up reply actions
hope he goes to SF
but if he comes to MIA , I will be going to the games to watch him GO GIANTS TODAY
Take it for what it's worth, but...
from Irsay’s latest comments, it sounds like this decision is mostly up to Manning. Of course his health will be the center of their conversation, but here’s what Irsay had to say
"I hope that it works out, and that he’s here with us, but like I said, I want to hear from him, and just see what his hopes are in terms of how we work it through with all the salary cap issues. But his health is obviously the first concern as well. If he wants to, yes, he will. You know, I think that’s the thing. I want to hear from him, and if he wants to be here, and he wants to play here, you know, then that’s what it’s going to be."
Manning has repeated over and over that he wants to remain here, so I can only think that when he and Irsay talk, he will be pulling to stay here. It’s something to hope for.
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manning is just saying that
manning is ready to move on. which is why he is letting condon put all the information out there.
You friends with him?
Because you sure sound pretty confident with all your posts. You seem to just be trying to “prove” you’re a Colts fan before a Manning fan. When in reality, who gives a shit who people are a fan of? I was a fan of the Colts before Manning and I will be when he’s gone. Doesn’t mean I’m gonna sit here and try to run him out of town. Dude is one of the best QB’s to play the game. He IS the reason you are about to watch a Super Bowl being played in a brand new stadium in Indianapolis. He has made this team what it is today. If you can keep Peyton, you keep Peyton. No questions asked.
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not really
1) i am confident because i can see what is going on. like most people can. or should be able to
2) manning only fans are annoying
3) you dont keep peyton no questions asked. picking up his option when he isnt healthy is utterly retarded
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