2012 NFL Mock Draft: Yes, Andrew Luck Will Be The Colts QB Next Year
by Brad Wells on Feb 6, 2012 10:42 AM EST
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Super Bowl XLVI is in the books, and we now have a full and complete draft order for the first round of the 2012 NFL Draft. SB Nation's Ryan Van Bibber has posted his first post-Super Bowl mock, and it should come as no surprise that he has selected Trent Richardson, RB from Alabama, with the No. 1 overall pick.
Ha! I kid. I kid. He took Luck. Of course he took Luck.
1. Indianapolis Colts, Andrew Luck, QB, Stanford
Unless you've been living in a Tebow-induced state of semi-rapture, you know the ugly dance going on between the Colts and Peyton Manning. He's leaving town next month, iffy neck and all. Lost in ridiculous cable shouting matches is the fact that the Colts have a new regime. New regimes mean new quarterbacks, especially when the incumbent quarterback is in his mid thirties, coming off major neck surgery and due a gazillion dollars. At the end of the day, the NFL is just a business. Peyton Manning is just another redundancy on the ledger sheet.
After Luck, it gets interesting,especially for teams looking to trade up and get Baylor's Robert Griffin III.
3. Seattle Seahawks, Robert Griffin III, QB, Baylor (Projected trade: from Vikings)
This is not necessarily a prediction; I'm just exploring the possibility. With Washington and Miami finding solutions elsewhere, and Cleveland waffling on trading their picks, the next best fit for RGIII would be the Seahawks. Minnesota would be more than willing to trade down. Seattle is a good landing spot for Griffin with a pretty good roster to make the transition easier for a rookie quarterback. Hell, he could even sit for a while behind Tarvaris Jackson.
The Seahawks, Browns, and Redskins will all be in play to trade up for RG3, with Cleveland being the favorite in that they have two first rounders this year.
As for the Colts, nose tackle and corner are priorities in this year's draft. The team is looking to switch to a 3-4 under new head coach Chuck Pagano. Walter Football has Indy going tight end in Round Two, snagging one of Luck's favorite targets at Stanford:
Indianapolis Colts: Coby Fleener, TE, Stanford
There's a good chance Dallas Clark's days in Indianapolis are over. He's due $4.53 million in 2012, and if Peyton Manning isn't retained, there's a good chance the Colts may opt not to bring him back either.
If Clark is let go, Indianapolis will definitely consider the talented and rising Coby Fleener as a replacement. As I wrote earlier, teams that draft quarterbacks early often spend another pick to complement their new franchise signal-caller. Why not give Andrew Luck a familiar weapon to work with?
With Donatri Poe of Memphis still on Walt's board, I highly doubt Indy passes him up for a tight end. Should the Colts walk out of the 2012 NFL Draft with Luck and Poe, I'm doing backflips.
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Some semblence of sanity?
How about using the words “probably” or “most likely” Mr.Wells? You know as in, “probably leaving town” or “ leaving town”? Events that have yet to transpire are by no means certain. You are speculating on the outcome, just like everybody else on both sides of the argument are. Stop trying to pass it off as a fact.
by Antillar on Feb 6, 2012 10:48 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
you guys don't get it
BBS is pretty sure he’s right here. so we’ll hear it 3 times a week until it happens so then he can link back to his articles where he predicted it happening and it happened so he’s right.
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by muncie_in_this on Feb 6, 2012 12:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Antillar
It’s a fucking mock draft post, and you are actually complaining about speculation.
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by dezznutz1001 on Feb 19, 2012 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
They will take...
A DT, SS or CB
by (206)NightRidah on Feb 6, 2012 10:48 AM EST via mobile reply actions
yes they most likely will take LUCK
but until you know for sure anything is possible,,( just like Caldwell was going to be kept) would like Luck’s tight end , but would like a BIG BAD DT run stopper or a good Safety to help Bethea or a man- man lock down CB 2nd round agree with NightRidah
what if Konz falls out of first round?
2. Peter Konz OC
3. Josh Chapman NT
4. Joe Adams WR
by mlc2656 on Feb 6, 2012 11:28 AM EST via mobile reply actions
as long as we take luck
i will be happy, and I know that a DT or secondary would make sense, but I very much want a big fast TE for luck to play with. we can take a CB in the 3rd….DT in free agency hopefully.
he's getting older and did not look great last year
hopefully it was just an off year….but i have heard his wrist injury could still be affecting him
by coltsgolfbeer on Feb 6, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
Didn't you read what the Great Bradster wrote?
Clark is leaving town. Mark it down and put a pin in it. Just as certain as Peyton is leaving town and Luck is taking his place. Fer shaw, home-fries, few shaw.
I see great things in baseball. It's our game - the American game. It will take our people out-of-doors, fill them with oxygen, give them a larger physical stoicism. Tend to relieve us from being a nervous, dyspeptic set. Repair these losses, and be a blessing to us. ~Walt Whitman
by Chopaholic on Feb 7, 2012 3:27 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
WE DON'T KNOW
how the Colt’s draft board stacks up. The Colt’s needs are obvious but they have to take the best player available and not try to reach to fill obvious needs. Honestly, there isn’t a position on this team that could not use an upgrade.
I love the Fleener pick. Young QBs tend to lean on tight ends quite a bit and he looks like a solid prospect.
Ya that makes sense
Use a 2nd round draft pick to get Luck a familiar play-pal! The defense was horrible. NEW coach is Defensive minded. Build a strong defense under a strong coach. That will be the best play-pal for who ever is playing QB.
SO YOU WOULD
prefer they reach for a player in an area of need? You take the highest rated player on your board. If its Luck’s “play-pal” then you take him. By the way, most draft guides have him as a late first or early second draft pick.
Now that I think about it you are probably right. They should just take a defensive tackle that they have rated as a fourth round pick in the second round, because, you know, they need a defensive tackle.
YES
You take the highest rated player for the most needed position. Not just the highest rated player when they do not need to fill that hole. Fleener isn’t ranked as the Top TE to some experts. Are you telling me there will be 2-3 TE taken in 1st and earily 2nd rnds? The team NEEDS to build a defense. With the new coach, you really think he is going to use the first 2 picks on offense?
SO LETS SAY
the Colt’s most needed position is cornerback. By your theory, in the 2nd round they should draft the highest ranked cornerback on their draft board even if that cornerback is only ranked a 4th round talent. No team in the league would do that.
The Colts need to improve the defense but you don’t do it by “reaching” for guys just because you are weak at that spot. You take the “best player available”.
Didn't say that
If you need a CB because they all suck as the COLTS did. I am sure they will have a player ranked accordingly to take. If they don’t have anyone then you move on to the next most needed position and see if there is a quality player for that position. I did not say take a projected 4th rounder in the 2nd round. We are both just fans who have different opinions on what we would do. Thank God neither of us have any controll over it. You can argue and try to spin it anyway you want. Bottom line of your post was you want someone to make Luck comfortable. And that shows no concern for what the Colts truely need. HELP ON DEFENSE! IMO.
NONSENSE
I have know idea how they have Fleener ranked on their draft board. Based on almost every draft projection Fleener is ranked in the late first or early second. If he is the best player ranked when they pick in the second round then they should pick him. You don’t shy away from the player because it’s not perceived as a need.
Maybe they have Fleener as no better than a 3rd round pick, if so, you don’t pick him. You pick your highest rated player regardless of need.
You aren’t going to like this but Luck is the future and they better do all they can to help him out. That means improving his O-line and receivers. Just as they did when they drafted Manning.
Of course
You are 100% right. I am not even comfortable reaching for a guy in the 2nd round (34th pick) that is considered to be a 2-3 round guy, because that implies that he is a LATE 2nd or early 3rd, not EARLY 2nd. There is a reason that these guys keep draft boards that rand all the players regardless of position. When it comes time for them to pick, they usually pick the guy that is best on their list. If they need to make a slight reach to fill a need, sure, but I can’t ever see them reaching down over 1/2 round to get a guy. You are simply killing the value of your pick if you do that.
If they ignore the D in RD2 they obviously haven't learned
They don’t need a TE. They need a Nose Tackle, Strong Safety, or Corner…
They have guys playing those positions that shouldn’t even be in the NFL…
That’s how they had six one and dones wasting early picks on offensive player that weren’t needed while relying on UFAs and low rounders on D
by (206)NightRidah on Feb 6, 2012 11:49 AM EST via mobile reply actions
THEY NEED
all the things you mentioned. But if they have a prospect rated higher than an obvious position of need they should take that player. Same approach to each draft pick should be taken.
Tamme, is at best average, and is a free agent. Clark is on his last legs and is not worth the salary. A tight end is a need for this team. The league, as a whole is trending to double tight ends.
There are so many good players at other positions
Poe will likely enon the board. They may even be able to get Dre Kirkpatrick or Barron if either falls or at Least Chase Minnifield…they have Clark and Tamme if Tamme is re signed. They can draft a TE next year. No need to use that pick on offense unless it’s the line
They have hardly any elite speed or playmakers on D outside of Freeney and Math. Bethea and Angerer are good pros and play their role very well…but when was the last time you saw a Colt get 7-8 picks? How many game changing plays were made by the. Other then our two DEs?
by (206)NightRidah on Feb 6, 2012 1:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
so if the colts have jeff tannehill
rated higher than any other prospect at 34 they should take him? of course not
it depends on the need on what the rating are for each player…..u just don’t want to reach for a player, but if i have fleener rated 88 and dontari poe rated 87 i would take poe.
by BLOODontheTRACKS on Feb 6, 2012 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
HONESTLY AT THAT POINT
if Tannehill is still on the board ( I’ve seen projections of him going in the top 15) then that pick will have increased value in trade. Someone looking for a QB, teams are always looking for QBs, they should be able to recoup the value of the pick without having to draft him. Picking the best player available is all about getting the best value for the pick. In this case the value would come in more picks.
i think you know the point i was trying to make
but you just avoided it
by BLOODontheTRACKS on Feb 6, 2012 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
SURE
if there is barely a difference between two players you have to lean toward the position of need. But that also depends on a teams belief that there will be other good players at that position of need later in the draft. Some drafts are deeper at some positions than others.
Every time a team picks there usually will be players available that the team has rated higher than where they are picking. Those are the players they have to consider even if its not a position of need.
Last time I checked we still had Jacob Tamme whether Dallas is gone or not. Tight End is not a priority even if we lose 44. We need a NT and move Nevis to DE in the 3-4. Followed by a CB.
by Tricky Bobby on Feb 6, 2012 12:00 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I doubt Nevis plays DE
I think he’ll stick around at DT for our 4-3 looks for a couple seasons and then be let go unless he shows massive gamechanger ability. He is a 4-3 DT only and has no real spot in a 3-4.
I actually think Nevis may be able to make the transition
He is a little short though. I love his motor and hope he sticks
by (206)NightRidah on Feb 6, 2012 12:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
tamme is a free agent as well
if i remember correctly
for less than tamme
we can get a stud 6’6 tight end who runs a 4.5 40 (fleener) and has played with luck….would be nice
by coltsgolfbeer on Feb 6, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
Nice?
It would be the salvation of this team as rebuilds. A) Not only have they played together, but Fleener was easily Luck’s #1 guy for two seasons. Their chemistry is amazing. B) Andrew Luck is an extremely mobile QB. He can take off and run, but that isn’t what I mean. What I do mean is that he can effectively move the pocket on rollouts. These plays are heavily designed for short to medium routes, and Fleener’s size, route running and ability make him almost indefensible in these situations. These types of plays can lessen the load on what we already knows a shoddy OL. Here is what I propose…
- Blow up as many salaries as you can – Manning, Wayne, Saturday, Clark (on the fence about Freeney and Mathis, keep Garcon)
- Draft Luck
- Draft Fleener
- Use the rest of the draft to look for excellent run stopping defensemen, most likely LBs because they are the deepest pool
- Take all the salary money saved from above cuts and use it in FA to get help in the secondary and OL
Will they get to the Super Bowl immediately? Of course not. However, they can be competitive in year one, and build up the next 2-3 years to be right back in it.
Tamme isn't enough.
With Luck in there we will probably be playing the 22 formation in a lot of situations to help out our rookie QB. So we will need another great TE.
And if we end up with Luck as our starting QB next season, we won’t be in “win-now” mode anymore, so we don’t have to fill out all of our needs in this instance. The priority of the 2012 draft should be to put Luck into the best possible situation in terms of helping him develop as a NFL QB. That means giving him the best o-line possible – and the best weapons.
by Peter Storgaard on Feb 7, 2012 2:53 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I wish...
they had “like” or “thumbs up” icons on here. Great post, well said. In my opinion, your defense can give up lots of points when rebuilding. The number one goal is to protect your franchise QB. Look what happened to David Carr. I really don’t think that guy should of been a bust at all, but the situation he went into gave him almost zero chance of being successful. The Colts have to make it their #1 priority to protect the #1 pick. I don’t think the Rams are getting this, and they are perilously close to permanently damaging Sam Bradford. I think Fisher is much smarter of a HC though to let that happen now.
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by James Broschat on Feb 8, 2012 9:23 PM EST up reply actions
Ahh, excuse the noob
Thanks James, I wondered what Rec meant. Should of guess by the star icon.
Poe
I don’t think the Colts will draft Poe at 34. With that pick, you have to look at what player fell out of the first, and that’s not him.
Drafting solely based on need kills you. Drafting on a need/value axis is one of the primary reasons the Colts have been as good as they have been over the last decade.
None of the nose tackles are worth the 34th pick. The Colts are better off getting someone in free agency, particularly since they’ll be running a 3-4/4-3 hybrid like the Ravens/Patriots
by TrueBlue87 on Feb 6, 2012 12:43 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
You ae correct, imo
We can get one later in the draft or pick-up a FA…its highly likley the saints wont be able to afford Franklin.
our first 2 picks need to be skill positon type players and not lineman, as unpopular as that seems our lines are ok or are up and coming. Our secondary is in desperate need of some talent upgrades
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by dezznutz1001 on Feb 19, 2012 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
keep Tamme if we can
and keep Mathis he has to be an outside backer in 3-4 will get a ton of sacks and keep Garcon
agree. gotta cash in on that assumed value
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by muncie_in_this on Feb 6, 2012 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
I agree wholeheartedly
I’m not on the Luck train that 99% of the world has bought in to. He could be the next Peyton Manning or he could be the next (insert failed 1st overall QB here). He’ll likely fall inbetween somewhere but is he worth what they could get for him?
If some team with a top ten pick offers the Colts 2 1st rounders, 2 2nd rounders +more I think you have to take it. Especially if it’s a team in the top ten like the Browns, Dolphins, Redskins. If you were to flip this would you want the Colts to give up multiple first rounders and a 2nd to get Luck? I wouldn’t. So why not trade out and gain those picks, especially if the Browns dangle both their 1st rounders this year.
They will likely take Andrew Luck but I don’t see why some are so against trading down if someone offers the moon.
Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?
by halfchest on Feb 6, 2012 3:46 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
its simple, halfchest
the colts have the first pick in the draft
the colts need a qb
andrew luck is the best player in the draft
he plays qb.
you dont need a calculator to solve that problem
Oh, my bad, I'll stop having an opinion that doesn't follow the flock.
Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?
by halfchest on Feb 6, 2012 3:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
so
you are being different just to be different?
taking luck is the smartest thing to do. its football 101. if you want to go at a different beat then that is fine. you can run a shit franchise
unlike omaha's franchise
which is undefeated in making one point until everyone else’s eyes bleed
i don't give autographs
by muncie_in_this on Feb 7, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Still the biggest Douche in the Universe
You are representing your award quite well
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by dezznutz1001 on Feb 19, 2012 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
i think you're right
if the trade is there, take it
i don't give autographs
by muncie_in_this on Feb 7, 2012 1:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
just a happy day
that ELI beats Brady Caughlin beats Bellicheck and Pats do not win the SB in our house,, and a fun payback day for me to all my Pat friends who were relentless 2 yrs ago when Colts lost SB,, Pats now 1 of 4 teams to have lost 4 SBs,,, and Brady Bellicheck have that 2 game streak going LOL
what???
Instead of Fleener, take a shitty ass DT from Memphis?!?!
I agree that that position needs to be filled, but it so do others. We need:
SS/FS, CB, WR, TE, DT
We should take the best player of any of those positions that is available in the second round. And Fleener is a better tight end than Poe is a defensive tackle. I’ll accept other arguments and players (I’m not in love with Fleener), but jesus, not that one!!!
DT>TE
Clearly, we can’t fill all holes in on draft, so they will need to do some prioritizing. My two cents – 350 pound, lane clogging NT trumps 6’6 TE prospect.
But what if Peter Konz falls out of round one? Which position is more important/BPA Konz(OC) or Poe?
by mlc2656 on Feb 6, 2012 2:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
DON'T THINK POSITION
think player. The higher rated player should get picked. If it’s Konz you take him and move on to the next round.
We have no idea what the coaching staff is going to think we need
You can bet at least 1-2 ravens are going to get over to us, most coaches like to bring in 1-2 players that know their system to help teach. Let’s wait and see who we resign and bring in FA before we start thinking people’s ideas are stupid.
Yeah its much more fun calling people like
Nebraska Colt, that they are the winner of the Biggest Douche in the Universe 2012!
i hear NebraskaColt is also vieing for a repeat in 2013!
Back-to-back awards, now that would be dully impressive
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by dezznutz1001 on Feb 19, 2012 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
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