Peyton Manning Expects To Meet With Jim Irsay This Week
by Brad Wells on Feb 6, 2012 4:47 PM EST
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PrintLast night, Peyton Manning got to watch his brother win a Super Bowl in the house Peyton built. According to Indianapolis Star reporter Mike Chappell, the moment was quite special:
"Couldn’t be happier for him,’’ Peyton said today. "Couldn’t be prouder. It was a special night.’’
I'm sure Eli and the Giants beating Bill Belichick and the Patriots yet again in a Super Bowl added an extra cherry on top of the special night.
With Super Bowl XLVI over, now the attention shifts to Peyton's future with the Indianapolis Colts. Well, actually, attention really hasn't shifted at all. Peyton and the Colts were THE story leading up to the Super Bowl, and it will continue to be THE story until there is a resolution. Until both sides can move on, the lines of communication must stay open:
Irsay called Peyton today to offer congratulations on Eli’s latest accomplishment.
"I think it will be this week. One thing he and I are not going to do is give a set date, where it’s like a game. We’ll handle it the way it should be handled and go from there.’’
"I told him I would pass that along,’’ Peyton said. "We talked about getting together and I think it will be this week. He just said, ‘I look forward to sitting down with you soon.’ I told him the same thing.
The only set date we have going right now is March 8th. Peyton Manning will be cut prior to that date as the Colts have no intention of paying him $28 million for next season, not when there are still concerns about his arm strength.
Yesterday, PFT reported that a source close to Peyton said that No. 18 has no plans to retire, and that he will likely play next year for a team other than the Colts.
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no reason to delay it
It’s a tough decision but it has to be made. Luck is going to be awesome he will shock the world next year.
this.
I want it to be all offseason. Like Favre.
by Tricky Bobby on Feb 6, 2012 7:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'M NOT SURE SURE
Luck is going to shock the world but he has a very good chance to be the Colt’s franchise quarterback for a long time.
Luck
While I certainly hope he is what he is supposed to be, It’s kinda hard to shock the world so much is expected of him.
But if Manning and Irsay are truly seriously discussing modifying the contract -
Why the heck would you not want both? Again the assumption is that the contract is rewritten to allow for Irsay to manage the cap successfully, but Manning to play for the team he wants to play for. Why all of this “hit the road!” attitude for Peyton?
by buymymonkey on Feb 6, 2012 5:18 PM EST reply actions 7 recs
Couldn't agree more
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Why would you want to keep both?
Even if Manning comes back for $1 per game, you risk Luck not taking advantage of the playing time AND you practically guarantee Colts winning anywhere from 8 to 10 more games, which in turn hurts rebuilding with lower picks in subsequent drafts.
Manning would be stupid to restructure a contract without high incentives anyways, and if he is going to risk taking less money on such a contract, why not do it with a team that has better pieces around him. It is a business after all, the Colts interest in a QB reflects that winning NOW is not as important as building to win LATER also, so why should Peyton think it any different? It is clear that it is a business, a job, and any goodwill by the Colts has been flushed down the drain by stating they would pick a QB. So as grateful as he may be about the city of Indianapolis, he needs to think for himself, just as the Colts are thinking about themselves.
BECAUSE
Luck is no guarantee. Neither is Manning if he’s not healthy. But if he IS healthy, he puts us in the playoffs every year.
MAKES NO SENSE
The only concrete way to know if Luck is good, is by letting him play. And if it is your intention to have him play while Manning is here, then why waste money on Manning in the first place? If your plan is that he sits, then you missed out strengthening the team around Manning with extra picks and getting the most out of his last years. Also as I stated above, if you keep Manning you’ll have a team that wins a good number of games, but that lacks the sufficient pieces to make a good championship run. It’s either Luck or Manning.
Agree and disagree
I agree that the team should go with one of them, not both. If Manning seems like he will be able to play, then it’s him. If he doesn’t seem like he will be able to go by the start of the season, go with Luck.
I disagree that they wouldn’t have a chance to win once they got into the playoffs. The last two champs squeaked in, and made a run ice they got there. This year saw the two worst defenses in Super Bowl history play against each other. The Colts have 2 of the worst 10 in Super Bowl history. Teams can make a run by having a great QB lead the way.
The defense still has playmakers. Mathis, Freeney, and Bathea are all top 5-10 at their position. Angerer was all over the field, and looks like he could be an anchor over the middle. Nevis is a solid DT who commands double teams due to his speed. The entire landscape of this defense changes with a quality NT in free agency and 1-2 corners from the draft or free agency.
If Manning is at the helm, they will just need a top 20 defense to make the playoffs. Once they get in, they just need to disrupt the other QB more than they can disrupt Manning. The Giants, Packers, and Saints have all proven that recently.
by PeytonTheManning on Feb 7, 2012 2:11 AM EST up reply actions
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One of your worst, yet.
by PeytonTheManning on Feb 7, 2012 2:22 AM EST up reply actions
and how would that work?
how does keeping manning and working the cap happen this year?
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Monkey I’m gonna buy it if you continue with great posts like this one.
LOL -
I wish I posted consistently well. I’m more like Eli. Once in a while I get a good one in, but mostly it’s the supporting posters.
that's a great question
i think that we are a stronger team with luck at QB and more money to spend that will make us a more balanced team.
by coltsgolfbeer on Feb 7, 2012 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
wow,,brad wells just wrote that Peyto is going to meet with Irsay
WOW. you are some wanna be journalist.. You came up with all of this on your own. WOW you might be the BEST WANNA BE journalist out there. Lets try to get you on CNN ASAP, skills like yours can’t be overlooked.
I've seen a lot of people question BBS's writing
and most with good reason, but your comment literally made me do a facepalm. What are you? 12?!? Maggot Head is a very suiting handle for you.
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by coltsfan723 on Feb 6, 2012 5:39 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I've read his comments and posts on this site
and I have zero pity for clueless people who make moronic comments and everything he has said is moronic to say the least. Sorry, I just don’t. If you have an opinion, fine, but make it, support it, and move on. Calling a writer out like a 12 year old with absolutely no reason to, is just silly. As stated, Ive been on Stampede Blue for years and I’ve seen many, MANY people call Brad out for his posts. And honestly, most are warranted. But What Maggot Head said was just laughable. This is one of the few pieces Brad has written that has nothing wrong with it. Other than the fact that he is writing Manning as released before he has been. I realize the writing is on the wall, but until the word gets out, he’s still a Colt.
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by coltsfan723 on Feb 6, 2012 5:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
According to Schefter
Peyton is willing to take a “little or no guaranteed money/incentive laden contract”.
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by Addai Another Aday on Feb 6, 2012 5:39 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
That is for another team
to my knowledge there is no mention of him doing that for the Colts. But you gotta remember with Manning, the Colts HAVE to pay the 28 million dollar bonus. That money is his if the Colts sign him. Only after they pay that money, can Manning and Colts work on a new deal.
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I know it doesnt specify the Colts
Why wouldn’t he be willing to do the same thing here? He obviously realizes that teams want him, but are scared to commit big money while he’s rehabbing. Hell, half of his own fan base wants him to leave due to a $28 million bonus. Whose to say he doesn’t tell Irsay that they can work out a bonus filled contract based on games played or stats? Then, he cuts him to avoid the bonus only to re-sign him moments later. We are all creatures of habits. I would take playing for the same team for less while in my twilight years.
by PeytonTheManning on Feb 7, 2012 2:16 AM EST up reply actions
There's a pretty logical reason why he won't
If Schefter is correct, and Peyton is willing to take no guaranteed money for an incentive laden contract, what does that tell us?
It tells us that Peyton still isn’t healthy, and doesn’t expect to be healthy by the start of free agency. He’s letting teams know that they can sign him to a big money deal, without assuming a ton of risk, to encourage them to give him the highest incentives possible.
He hasn’t offered that to Indy yet, because he’s trying to get the Colts to pick up the $28M option. It’s conceivable that he might make the offer after the decline and let him walk (which they definitely will, if he’s still not healthy, and everything points to the fact that he won’t be by March 8).
So Indy will cut him. And when they do, they will take a $10M cap hit. That will make it harder for the Colts to match the incentives other teams can throw at Manning, since they’ll already have committed $10M of the cap to him.
Or, put more simply, whatever contract Manning could sign somewhere else would cost the Colts $10M more, at least as far as cap room is concerned. That means it’s going to be hard for the Colts to match the offers Manning would get from other teams. Which means Manning will likely end up somewhere else.
He only bans people who disagree with him
That’s his definition of trolling.
by PeytonTheManning on Feb 7, 2012 2:33 AM EST up reply actions
Correct me if im wrong buuuut
Manning didnt say, “oh hey id only accept an incentive laden contract with every team, EXCEPT the colts.” If hes willing to do that with other teams, hes probably at least open to something being done here where he could be kept. Again I know you all say, “oh why would he even want to come back”, maybe he would though. Or that nothing can be done about the contract at that point, I still feel there are ways for this to work out if both parties are serious about staying together.
i still feel
that people that think manning will be a colt are delusional
See my reply to Addai Another Aday
Manning may be willing to restructure with the Colts. Problem is, the Colts HAVE to pay the 28 million to even get to a point where they can restructure. That bonus money is Peyton’s if the Colts want to take a chance. There is no way to get out of that other than releasing him. From everything I’ve read, Manning expects to be ready by July-August to play again and be the Manning we all know and love. It’s up to Irsay to decide if it’s worth it to pay 28 million and find out. I don’t doubt that Manning would work with the Colts to have a more cap friendly contract going forward, but the 28 million bonus is his if the Colts decide they want to rework it.
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no
if manning is a colt
he will be cut first. no way will irsay sign that option bonus. that would be retarded
Why do insist on bashing everyone with a differing opinion that you?
We get it! You don’t want Manning back! That’s fine! That’s YOUR opinion on the topic. As readers WE are allowed to have ours. Right or wrong. If you can’t add to the comments you’re replying to, then don’t comment! It’s pretty fucking easy! You’ve made your stance well, now go talk to the guys who are with you. Let the others who actually want to see Manning back speculate among themselves. For fucks sake, dude.
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You're only defense on this whole issue is
“it’d be retarded to bring Manning back!” If that’s the best you can come up with, please spare me the argument. Because I have precious time that I’d rather not spend arguing with a person who hides behind the convenience of a keyboard.
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what do you want to know?
1) the colts are rebuilding around andrew luck.
2) manning wants no part of that
3) even restructuring, manning will at the very least be a 11 million cap hit. more than likely it would be up around 17 to 20 million
4) manning isnt healthy and probably wont be healthy
I know that
1.) The Draft hasn’t even happened yet so last I checked, Luck isn’t on the roster
2) Manning and Luck both have said they’d be teammates
3.) It’s Peyton Fucking Manning. He’s won with the Colts since coming here in 98. He’s proven. Luck is not. If he has shown ANY improvement, you cut the check with no questions.
4.) Manning is cleared to play. Just because he doesn’t have the arm strength right now, doesn’t mean he won’t be working to get it back.
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Don't waste your time
It’s a waste of time responding to this 10 year old. Hopefully his dad will take his computer away and do us all a favor.
omahacolt only realizes you're talking about him if you refer to him as a douchebag
Anything else is too confusing. He only deals in absolutes.
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by Mark Olson on Feb 6, 2012 9:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
omaha is the hidden sith lord!
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by muncie_in_this on Feb 7, 2012 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
Not true Mark
He also answers to Retard, Idiot, Dumb Ass and Dip Shit! Any others, feel free to add.
oh ok
you didnt tell me you were clueless. you should have told me about that before you engaged me in conversation. here is why i called you clueless
1) you want to pay manning whatever he wants based on past accomplishments. that is a retarded thing to do. his contract should be made based on what his future will be
2) you dont pay manning the bonus and cripple the franchise if he isnt 100% healthy. it would be stupid. beyond stupid.
You cannot just cut the check no questions. It's not that simple
Yes it is Manning, but if he can’t play by 8 March, you cannot pay him. Manning may be cleared by some doctor but that does not mean he can play. Luck and Manning will not be team mates, it will be one or the other, most likely Luck and a retooling squad around him.
by armycolts25 on Feb 6, 2012 7:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Manning's not really "cleared to play"
Sure, hsi neck fusion has been cleared. That’s great news — it means he’s essentially at no greater risk of neck injury than a normal player.
It says nothing about the state of his throwing arm. And it’s not that his arm is just out of shape or something — it has nerve damage. That can’t be rehabbed. The nerves will regenerate, but they’ll do so on their own time frame. And they may never regenerate fully. He may come back full strength — or he may never be able to play in the NFL again. And there’s no way of knowing.
Can Manning be released by the Colts
and then sign a completely NEW deal with the Colts?
New Math: 2011-18 = 2-14
It's possible
but not plausible. I don’t see the Players Union allowing that to happen at all.
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what?
the nflpa will have no problem with that. manning will though.
Why?
If he’s willing to do that for another team then why not for the team that paid him $26 million to not play a down this year?
New Math: 2011-18 = 2-14
because
the colts are rebuilding and will have andrew luck on the roster. manning will want to go to a team that will build around him for the next 3 years
that is if manning is healthy. which he wont be.
If your opinion is that Manning will not be healthy going forward ...
Do you suspect he is going to retire this year. If so,would he do so before or after his $28 million bonus is due in March?
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by Chopaholic on Feb 6, 2012 6:40 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
no
manning will not retire before march
manning will string a team along as long as he can and milk as much money as he can out of any owner he can
why do you think he won't be healthy?
he’s been working non stop since the last surgery with health being his one goal
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by muncie_in_this on Feb 6, 2012 7:55 PM EST up reply actions
its out of his control
he still cant throw good enough. i dont think that will change. i think if it was going to it would have
Because it's nerve damage
It doesn’t matter how hard he’s been working. It’s not an injury you can rehab. No amount of physical therapy, hard gym work, or outright desire will help it. All you can do is remove the pressure that caused the damage (which the neck surgery did) and wait for it to regenerate. It’s different for every person — some people do recover 100 percent, but many don’t. And there’s no way of knowing except to actually see their performance.
Peyton has been very clear that his neck is good to go. He’s been very ambiguous about his arm strength. He’s said he’s not where he wants to be yet, but given no indication how close/far he is from that. But the fact that he hasn’t found a way to show us he can throw the ball like his old self, and the fact that he’d be willing to sign an incentive/performance contract with a team are strong indicators that he’s not that close. If he isn’t now, he’s unlikely to be by March 8. And if he isn’t by March 8, Irsay has to cut him — he’ll simply have no way to know if Peyton will ever get better. And you can’t make a player who might be permanently injured the highest paid player in the NFL for four years. You just can’t.
i get that he's not ready now
and won’t be next month
but it seems like everyone feels he’s going to retire and thats where i have disagreement.
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by muncie_in_this on Feb 7, 2012 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
It's possible, but difficult
When the Colts cut him, they’ll take a $10M cap hit from the signing bonus they gave him last year. That’s going to make it hard for them to match the offers other teams are going to make him
amazing
It jut amazes me how a guy gets hurt after being the savior of the Colts and even though he has been cleared by the doctors that did the surgery and not yet by the Colts medical staff….he gets crucified on here by posters and others and throw him in the trash….the Colts owe Peyton manning $128 million for all he has made this team become and this city….before he got here the Colts sucked….only because of him and all the guys hard work have they made this franchise what it is today…..a once in a life time..HOF QB and people act like out of here…where is Luck….Luck is like a child compared to Manning….so what if he is the #1 pick…if Manning is healthy he deserves the $28 million….and he deserves the right to play QB for the Colts….and Luck can wait in line for his time…but his time is not now….
by Colts53 on Feb 6, 2012 7:28 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
agreed
Manning deserves his money and being released by the colts would just be disrespectful in my opinion
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Agree as well -
We all want the next franchise QB, that part is true. But to throw in the towel for someone who has guaranteed us a playoff spot each year is pretty absurd. I hope Irsay is not thinking this way.
I agree,...getting rid of Manning would be a huge mistake.
He needs to be able to retire one day in the city he put on the map.
You think it's disrespectful
To cut someone who isn’t currently healthy and there are no guarantees to how healthy they wi be?
by (206)NightRidah on Feb 6, 2012 7:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
if he has been cleared and he is ready to go
why cut him and put all your faith in a rookie
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He's only been cleared for his neck...
not for the nerve regeneration. If he had been, we’d see him making throws. He’s still got noodle arm and until that nerve regenerates properly, he won’t be playing in the NFL, regardless of the doctors’ or his agent’s statements.
by Yougotme on Feb 6, 2012 7:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Hopefully he will rehab and be well by training camp
But he can’t make NFL throws now. It’s too risky to pay him 28mil. No one else will. He will do and incentive based deal…
Peyton built the franchise but that doesn’t mean we destroy it for him…we all saw last year what happens when you wrap bigotry inns QB that doesn’t play
by (206)NightRidah on Feb 6, 2012 7:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
nightridah
if Manning is healthy he deserves the $28 million
your argument that hes not healthy has no merit when the terms of money have been set in his original post there
if he is healthy or theres some kind of proof of health yeah it would be disrespectful
nope
cutting him is not disrespectful. no matter how healthy he is
my opinions are based in fact
way more than most around here. its a business. cutting him is just good business. not disrespectful.
one could argue it was disrespectful for manning to sign that contract last year to begin with
how is cutting your best player good for business?
how is cutting your best chance at winning not disrespectful
yes its a business that provides no facts on why they have to cut him
he could take less money and stay
facts are its disrespectful to cut the guy thats been leading your team to victory
and one can not argue that because the team was fully aware of his situation at the time they offered him a contract bigger than that and he took less his choice to take less for the good of the team
thats easy
1) if manning cant throw the ball by march 8th, it would be completely retarded to sign that bonus. it would be insane. not disrespectful. only a complete moron would do that
2) explain how he could take less money and stay. how does that work? do you know the cap figures? i do
3) you dont structure contracts on the past. you do them based on future potential. what manning did in the past is irrelevant to this conversation
4) saying “he took less” sounds good. but he handcuffed the team any way you want to look at it
once again youre wrong because you dont care to actually pay attention
the whole point is its disrespectful to cut a healthy player “if hes healthy” thats exactly what i said in the first post so your #1 is wrong
it would be insane not to keep a healthy Manning
- thats easy if they choose not to sign the 4 year extension and offer him a new deal. That simple dont pick up the extension and offer him something else something that is a benefit for the team in this situation
- wrong all contracts are structured on the past if you played shitty in the past you dont get a big contract and the future potential is a healthy Peyton Manning weve seen what a healthy Peyton can do its not irrelevant saying that is idiotic without lookign at what hes done in the past how would you know if he was worth keeping in the future?
- thats your opinion not fact he didnt handcuff the team with his money Irsay did he didnt handcuff them with his injury Polian did by not having a viable backup
Him getting hurt gives them the #1 pick how is that handucffin them? he gave them possibly the easiest and best way to continue and fix the team
hahahhahhahahhah
1) insane not to keep a healthy manning? paying him that money and paying luck is insane. and paying luck is a must.
2) lol. no contract is based on the past. if that is true then the colts shoudl still be paying marv and edge. you pay a player based on what they will do under the new contract. not the old one. why do you think 30 year old running backs that were elite have a hard time getting paid?
3) he handcuffed the team by making them pay him when he knew he wasnt playing.
still wrong
paying luck isnt a must and it never was luck isnt Making shit compared to Manning and if he reworks a new deal then “paying him that money”" what money you dont know what theyll pay him
yes it is its based on past achievements and future potential thats why guys get paid only if they played well before their big contract because they proved they can play and the team believes that they will continue to play what planet do you live on that past accomplishments dont matter
he didnt make them pay shit thy fucking threw the money at him you act like he haad a gun to their head they paid him because thats what they wanted if they didnt want to pay him they couldve just said no
i have a damn good idea what manning will cost
manning will count at least 11 million on the cap if he is colt. that is the cheapest possible
sure you see what they did in the past, but you pay them based on what you think they will do in the future. otherwise you are stupid
right right. they were just going to not sign manning. hahha that is just great
good
so Manning/luck combo isnt woth 16 mil against the cap? thats how much he cost this year without playing i sure as hell would take 2 top Qbs for the price of 1
exactly so his past is relevant because you know how important he is to the success of this team
yeah not sign manning thats exactly what youre advocating now but when hes twice as healthy as when they signed him last year
would you rather sign manning for 16 mil who cant play or sign him a year later for less when he can hmmmm thats a hard choice
hahhaha
manning and luck will be more than 16 mil because there is no way that manning would play for vet minimum
his past is relevant but you pay him based on future production. how do you not get this?
i would rather not sign manning since he is done playing football
wow youre block headed
you just said 11 then when look it maks sense no you change your mind now its impossible he wont take 11 of course you have no proof of this but whatever
i didnt say anything disagreeing with this part idiot i agree its about the future only you said past was irrelevant which is wrong
hes obviously not done playing football another assumption of yours and another one that still outside the premise of the conversation of what to do with a healthy Manning
Omaha has some points
He might be a little rough around the edges, but Omaha has some legit points:
- He never said that Peyton would cost 11M next year — he pointed out that was the minimum he could cost (10M cap hit for not paying the bonus and 1M for vet minimum salary). Manning won’t play for the vet minimum — not with all the other offers he’ll be receiving. To cut and re-sign will very likely cost us as much or more than picking up his option outright.
- Your original post says that this scenario involves a healthy Manning. Omaha is right to point out that’s not an assumption you can reliably make. He’s not healthy right now, and the injury he has he might never recover from.
- It’s not disrespectful to consider cutting Manning. Yes, he’s been the face of the franchise, and it’s best player in the modern era (if not all time). He’s probably the best player of his generation — and Jim Irsay has paid him as such. Peyton Manning has been paid $175M by the Colts so far. That makes him the highest-paid player in NFL history. But he’s also going to be 36 next month and recuperating from an injury that he may never fully recover from. It’s not wrong for Irsay to have second thoughts about throwing millions more at him b picking up a contract option that makes it virtually impossible for us to cut Manning for at least three years (cap hit would be too big, effectively gutting the roster). Thinking hard about that option is smart business.
- Omaha doesn’t hate Manning; he’s simply looking toward the future. No one who wants the Colts to draft Luck thinks that Luck is better than Manning, or that he ever will be. It’s not about Luck. It’s about recognizing that Peyton is near the end of the line. Even if he fully recovers from his injury, he’ll be 36 years old. He’s only got a few years left, and he’s at the age where play starts to decline. And it’s obvious that the Colts are in a rebuilding mode. In that light, it’s not ludicrous to think that the Colts and Manning would be better served to part ways. The Colts could begin the rebuilding process around a promising new QB, and Manning could play his final years on a team contending for a Super Bowl right now.
Or more simply, we can look at it like this: Andrew Luck may never be as good as Peyton Manning, but we know for a fact he has the potential to do something Peyton could never do: be the Colts starting QB for the next decade.
by Chris S. on Feb 7, 2012 4:07 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
that contract was signed (to such a HIGH number) at irsay's insistence. wasn't it?
i mean i remember him saying peyton will be the highest paid player, not peyton asking to be.
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by muncie_in_this on Feb 6, 2012 8:03 PM EST up reply actions
It's not the money, it's the way the contract is structured
Peyton took a “discount” to only tie the record for highest salary at $18M per year. But he and his agent structured it in such a way that the Colts assume all the risk in the situation. The contract is front-loaded so heavily that Manning receives the bulk of the money up front (via a $20M signing bonus in year one and the $28M option bonus in year two). Given the massive amount of bonus money paid up front, it would be virtually impossible to cut Manning in the first three years of the deal (and it’s still not a pleasant cap hit to cut him in year four).
That obviously provides Peyton not only with a healthy paycheck, but a good deal of job security. It also puts all the risk on the Colts. If Manning were to get injured/win another Super Bowl and retire/forsake football for a “Football Cops” TV series, all that bonus money paid out would accelerate to the current year, instead of being spread evenly over the life of the contract. That would devastate the Colts, but have little impact on Manning, who would have already been paid.
You have been wrong before. Actually you were proven wrong today.
Yours is nothing but an annoying, whiny voice on this blog. You also called everyone who thought we were moving to a 3-4 were idiots…well newsflash Omaha, our new head coach and d coordinators are both 3-4 guys.
You’ve been spouting off nonsense and ripping people left and right because they disagree for too long without getting checked.
You are not the authority here. You’re a snot-nosed brat who gets off by stepping on peoples comments and hijacking threads.
by TheWeasley on Feb 6, 2012 8:33 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
you have it wrong weasley
i said going to the 3-4 was a dumb idea before we hired the coaches. the hiring of new coaches voids my previous statement. i still think its stupid
Hahahahaha!
Voids your previous statement is a funny way of saying you were wrong.
Omaha, there’s absolutely nothing wrong with bold statements or being vocal, but be prepared for people to call you out when you find yourself in a “void my previous statement” situation.
your brash brand of commenting incites others and invites confrontations. Clearly bbs has no intention of banning those types of commentors, even though very similar language is used to describe trolls that are subject to banning. So we are forced to police ourselves – so Omaha, keeping being a message board hard ass and chump, and we’ll keep on making sure you and everyone else knows just how lame and idiotic you look.
by TheWeasley on Feb 6, 2012 9:15 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
fair enough
it must be exciting spending so much energy trying to prove a guy on the internet wrong.
especially when he hasnt exactly been proven wrong.
he isnt and they havent paid him
but when he is and when not if itd be foolish not to try to have him on the team especially if hes willing to take an incentive contract that wont cost the team much
Not the Colts fault he hasn't healed in time....
They need to make a decision as their draft would be affected. Trading Luck for ransom is worthless if Dan-O is QBing the team…
It doesn’t look like he will be in practice shape for months if at all…therefore the team has to move on. Another team with cap space can sign him hoping he will play. Colts will let Luck take his lumps and grow.
I actually prefer Manning stay at reduced money and they trade the pick… I think with Manning they can win 9-10 games and maybe get hot one year in the playoffs …but that’s only if he is 100%. It’s obvious he isn’t or he wouldnhave videos of him throwing on YouTube. The Colts have to prepare to move on. Drafting Andrew Luck is probably going to be a great start!
Basically Settles…if you want to whine go ahead but the situation is out of Irsays hands. No one wanted Peyton to go like this but he got hurt and hasn’t recovered in time…The worst mistake of the Polian era was not preparing for a potential Manning injury…
Paying the option if Manning isnt 100% healthy would leave them cap strapped with a poor D and suspect backup QBs. When Peyton is healthy he gives you 35TDs every year and is worth the cap hit. But it is unknown I he will be. A business can’t pay that payment based on maybe or I think so. So Now the Colts are preparing for a new era. I personally am excited!
I can see where you are offended by people who callously say throw Manning out…and poke fun at the situation. But they represent a small minority of the fan base and this blog. I think we all want a healthy Peyton! But that’s business
by (206)NightRidah on Feb 7, 2012 7:17 AM EST up reply actions
Ridah, the worst mistake
of the Polian era was not allowing the team to shoot for their dream of going undefeated. That was the worst, bar none. Then, never taking seriously the construction of a decent o-line to protect Peyton may be the second biggest mistake. If Polian had addressed the very issue he called out after the super bowl with the Saints, Peyton may not be in the shape he is today. I don’t think the Colts can pay the option to an ‘unhealthy’ Manning. But, my biggest complaint is the way Irsay has handled the situation in the media. There’s a better way to do it….from a public relations standpoint. Hopefully, at some point, Peyton can resign with the Colts if he gets ‘healthy’.
Manning's injury likely stems from 2006.
Really has little to do with the past year or two.
by James Broschat on Feb 7, 2012 9:37 AM EST up reply actions
Possibly. Nobody really knows for sure.
He took quite a beating in the Texans game too a couple of years ago. Maybe that aggrevated/progressed the situation even more.
From what I've read, the injury had little to do with the "beatings".
It was something that Manning actually could have played with, but then he had the two surgeries last summer. But, I’m no doctor.
by James Broschat on Feb 7, 2012 9:13 PM EST up reply actions
On his new radio show Polian said
“the cap situation and how Peyton’s contract will affect it is something the current management will have to deal with.” But he said it as if he had nothing to do with it. He may have a future in politics.
New Math: 2011-18 = 2-14
I think Omaha
Is saying that the tea leaves are not reading that he is 100%. We already knew his neck was healed its a nerve issue. And reports say his nerves and arm strength are not back yet. If he was 100%. He would just release a video of himself throwing 25yard outs and 60yard bombs…
Some posters are “iconoclast” about Peyton. But the Colts don’t owe him anything but respect. Manning was the highest paid player in the league during his tenure. You can’t keep paying someone top dollar if you are unsure they will be healthy. Please read up on the salary cap issues…
If you read the salary cap situation you will understand they have no choice. Otherwise you are likely a Manning fan not a Colts fan. I’d thats the case of probably will get to see Manning play some more elsewhere
by (206)NightRidah on Feb 6, 2012 7:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
i disagree omaha is just trying to destroy anything good about Manning and kick him out
manning will string a team along as long as he can and milk as much money as he can out of any owner he can
theres my proof of that a completely unwarranted unjust statement about what Manning will do with no evidence or facts or anything but his own hate
you think he wouldnt?
my theory makes more sense than yours
no id doesnt your theory makes no sense
because hes done more to help this team than anyone
HE offered the one year deal to offer the colts an out
HE took less than he was offered less than they were trying to give him specifically to keep other players on the team
he has no reason to milk money from any team and has already said that hed take an incentive contract which doesnt guarantee him crap so youre wrong and theres the proof
lol
1) he took 26 mil knowing he wasnt healthy and he couldnt play
2) he got rid of the funny money in the contract. he didnt technically take less
3) he loves money. which is all the reason he needs to milk teams for cash
"lol"
they offered him more than that knowing the same thing
he did technically take less they were offering him more than Brady not the same amount as they were talking 20 mil a year not 17-18
he has plenty of it and your point has no merit because hes willing to sign a contract that doesnt guarantee him money therefore impossible to milk teams for cash how fucking dense are you
once again
try and look at the big picture. jesus man
that 20 mil a year wasnt going to happen. manning took out the funny money in the contract. the backloaded part that manning knew he would never see
the big picture of what you make no sense
how exactly would he never see it?
oh because of the team not picking up the extension?
oh wait that was put in after they reworked down to less money after he was offered the 5 year deal
back loaded or not they offered him a 5 year deal not the extension that was his change in the contract otherwise he wouldve seen the money because they wouldve been forced to pay him
jesus man
have you never seen an nfl contract? lots of times they back load contracts to appease the agents but the players and agents know that the player will never see the whole deal.
for example. the colts could sign omahacolt to play mlber for a 5 year 50 million dolllar contract. that sounds great right? well they could structure it so 25 million of that was to be paid in year 5 when omahacolt would be 38 years old. everyone involved would know that omahacolt would not see that 25 million in year 5. contracts arent guaranteed
so it looks like omahacolt gets a lot more money than he actually does.
still doesnt make any sense you are assuming
Manning wouldnt see that money but have no proof that he wouldnt obviously if he plays that year and he is expecting to play that year hes going to get paid for that year
38 or 28 doesnt matter if youre under contract and you play you get your money
you can assume he wouldnt see the money all you want doesnt mean he wouldnt s long as he continuesplaying he gets it all
lol colts53
thanks for the laugh
holy shit. hilariously clueless post. i appreciate it
Hypnotized fools
You who are pining over whether Peyton Manning will be a Colt or not, or if he can play or not, or if he should be paid or not, are sucking down all the hyped up media kool-aid sent out by people who have nothing to write about. THEY HAVE NOTHING TO WRITE ABOUT so they harp on the one thing that rips people’s nerves. The writer of this article states, and has stated many times, that Manning will not be a Colt next year as if it was fact. He does this to stir up the pot of people’s emotions and get people to click on the link to the article and maybe even make some half-cocked post about this subject. The truth is no one knows what is going to happen. Manning and Irsay probably don’t fully know what is going to happen, OR IT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED ALREADY! Get a life, or a hobby, and stop hanging on every word of a sportscaster or a silly blogger who doesn’t have a breaking story, SO HE HAS TO CREATE ONE! It’s dumb and silly and adds to the futility of your life. GO OUT AND DO SOMETHING MEANINGFUL!
It's not personal. We all know a healthy Manning is the best option
It’s really a salary cap issue. Please read about the cap situation before making this a respect issue.
If there was no salary cap Peyton stays…
I fear that many here do not understand the concept of mathematics…
by (206)NightRidah on Feb 6, 2012 8:57 PM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Luck is not the answer.
Personally I think Payton is the answer, I watched Luck several games and I don’t see what the hype is. I’ve been a loyal Colts fan since 1966 but have to say I’ll follow Payton as I don’t like what I’m seeing next thing you know will have Mora on the side lines.
Sean Payton?
Walter Payton?
Gary Payton?
by Yougotme on Feb 6, 2012 9:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Peyton was rated by many behind Leaf
They said he couldn’t beat Florida etc. all you can do is hope Luck is great! The salary cap can’t handle the Manning risk please check it out on Coltsider…
by (206)NightRidah on Feb 6, 2012 9:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It's not disrespectful to cut a player who made over $172 million dollars..he did not work for free or minimum wage.
by armycolts25 on Feb 6, 2012 9:01 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
it doesnt matter how much hes made
if hes healthy and ready to play it is disrespectful to send him packing after all hes done to lead the team and after the team clearly wants him there hes the leader and the glue that holds them together its completely disrespectful after all that to tell a guy you dont want him anymore or he doesnt deserve to part of the team anymore
So pay him 1/5 of your cap...
If he can’t play by training camp will you be happy with another 2-14 season…
If he never gets the arm Stregnth again and retires are you happy with having to cut or not re sign all of their good players?
Are you cool with going 3-13 for the next 5 years?
by (206)NightRidah on Feb 6, 2012 9:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
do you guys just make up your own shit and throw it people as fact?
who said anything about picking up his extension give him a new deal
do you not see the words if hes healthy? how hard is it they are the first 3 words there
are you cool with things that arent doomsday scenarios like he recovers takes a contract like he said he would thats much smaller and the team comes out twice as strong next year?
what im not cool is giving up and just saying go with luck because its the easier option that doesnt have any guarantee of success but if he does fail well hes a rookie so he gets a pass for what 1? 2? 3? years
If they cut him it's automatically 10mil in dead cap space
But i guess in theory they could give him a smaller deal allthough im sure the players union would frown on such.
Once they cut him he can do as he wishes and who is to say that’s not what Irsay wants is I do a smaller deal? Did Irsay say that? Perhaps Manning won’t stay at a smaller deal and is playing hardball…
What If Peyton says all or nothing? What then
by (206)NightRidah on Feb 6, 2012 9:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
better to take it this year than the big contract theyd have to keep otherwise
youre right he can do what he wants and that means if he wants to sign another smaller deal which hes said he was willing to do already.
Hes already said hes willing to take an incentive based deal thats not all or nothing whether he wants to take that deal here or not isnt the question idk what your point is with all these what ifs? if he wants to stay theyll work it out if he doesnt then he will leave
if he says all or nothing that doesnt make snese since hes willing to take a smaller deal anywhere else that he doesnt know he systm and doesnt have his comfort in and isnt around the people hes been used to
youre saying what if he wont take less money to stay where hes happy but is willing to take less money to go off into the unknown and maybe end up with people he doesnt like or connect with
Maybe he is using that for leverage...
Also I don’t know if the union would smile on him working out a cut and re sign deal for bottom dollar…
My point is you implied that it’s disrespectful. If Irsay offers him a smaller deal and e still walks how is that disrespectful?
by (206)NightRidah on Feb 6, 2012 9:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
maybe he is and maybe he drinks his kids blood
all we know is what hes told us since everyone else lies about his status and what not
i choose to not assume hes lying or trying to screw the team since he hasnt done that in the past
i didnt say anything about him offering him a new deal being disrespectful
i said to send him packing and to tell him he doesnt deserve to be part of this team or hes not good enough to be part of it (again if healthy)
none of that includes anything about a new deal, send him packing doesnt imply that theyll bring him back
offering him a new deal is completely different that sending him packing at least in the definition i know
You don't expect him to try and get his 28mil?
We act as if we know him personally? Lol! Manning is a hired gun like everyone else in the NFL…
There is middle ground… The Colts can move on without being jerks or disrespectful. Manning Can move on to a better team and leverage his option payment without being a jerk. It’s business. Unfortunately it seems like Manning is gone but hopefully not…the sun will still come Up and The Luke will still host games if Manning can be retained
Your arguments are an unsuccessful attempt to assert intelligence. No one here wants to see manning in another teams colors. But the cap and contracts are what they are.
None of us know what conversations have taken place with Irsay Manning etc. we DO know that his neck is fixated which is great but he is still rehabbing his arm Stregnth nerves etc. If he was 100 percent he would say so…
Common sense says he will rehab and work hard to get back to playing level. I think he will likely succeed but it may take a while. We need a QB in Indy now!
If you don’t think Irsay would love to keep anning for less than that’s not logical. Who would kill the golden goose?! If he leaves it’s because he doesn’t want to take less from
The Colts or he doesn’t think they are any good and wants to win. Both great options
The team as Irsay not the bad guys neither is Peyton. It’s just business
by (206)NightRidah on Feb 6, 2012 10:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
i dont expect him to believ that they are going to just give him that money
im not sure what youre first sentence is about i didnt say any of those words so im not sure what your getting at hes a hired gun sure why not whatever you say i prefer to cal them employees or athletes or whatever but sure
I agree theres a middle ground i didnt say there wasnt i said just dumping him because oh look theres a shiny new player out there is disrespectful
I hope if he does leave that they come to an agreement and it ends well but if they just say screw it and treat it like they arent people then that is rude. theres a right way to end things ad a wrong way
wrong Omaha clearly doesnt want Manning on this team regardless of his health and the cap and contracts are what they are? they arent what they are because they can be changed altered, extended plenty of things can change its not set in stone and it can be done or they wouldnt be discussing it. you can say whatever you want about my arguements whatever you believe them to be thats good for you.
just because im not spouting negativity and remind you that there still are other options and thigs arennt over or settled
we know hes not 100% yet they have said that but that hes better than before and continuing to improve every day
its the off season and the draft hasnt even happened yet so no we dont need a QB now youre all rushing to shove the guy out the door like hes a time bomb
i do think he would want to i agree itd be crazy not to but who are we to decide what irsay wants. If he leaves it would be because he wanted to or they couldnt come to an agreement.
Thats fine if you believe the only way Manning leaves is if he wants to not if Irsay decided not to keep him i think both are possible options based on what they each exect the next few years to play out
You all say its just business but we arent just talking about the masses or some employee over there we are talking about a hero to the people and sport and you have to handle it with dignity and class theres a right way to send him off and a wrong way whether its now or later you still have to handle the situation the right way
Sounds like you are complaining about nothing
No one in the Colts front office is disrespecting Manning. Manning isn’t wrong to fight for his money and to stay.
There isn’t a right or wrong here. It’s two sides working out a business deal best for both parties…hopefully they find a way to keep Manning but if not then fans would be wise to move on and get behind the new QB whoever he is
by (206)NightRidah on Feb 6, 2012 11:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Yes it does matter how much he was paid..you act like he choose Indy out of the goodness of his heart
Nobody is telling him that we don’t want him, but dam everyone has to go at some time.
by armycolts25 on Feb 6, 2012 10:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
actually some people are saying that they dont want him
and how much you paid him in the past has nothing to do with the way you handle his departure from the team
just because he got paid a lot doesnt mean you get to throw him out with the trash
it should be handled with the utmost class not because of how much he made but because how much he did and how much he means to the team and to the people
and i think Indy chose him you know in the draft
Worth the risk.
(206)NightRidah, you keep speaking as though the salary cap is all that matters and as if Irsay was never intending to pay Manning. 28 million is what is owed along with just a little loyality, Manning was injured playing behind a week line and winning with a subpar defense that still needs a heck of alot of work. What the Colts need is to build a stronger defense and line. I watched Andrew Luck and his subpar game under pressure. He is not Payton and will find himself scrambling and picking himself up off the ground. Andrew isn’t going to be the One man show that Colts fans have come accustom to.
The line had nothing to do with the injury...
These are the dumb comments that make it a waste. Yes his line wasn’t as good as it should have been but Manning is was sacked 10-15 times a year because he gets rid of the ball. All QBs take hits…That’s football son!
Of course you pay a 100% healthy Manning the $¥£! Only an idiot would debate that. And if he is/was 100% Irsay would pay gladly as he would be worth it
Perhaps you have a “subpar” understanding of the salary cap and if Manning doesn’t play anymore how the Colts would not be able to bring in any players.
Manning is a great player and had done so much for the franchise and city. It’s sad if he leaves and he should get a statue and immediate jersey retirement.
But the team paid him last year not to play and made him the highest paid football player in NFL history over his tenure. So if they make a business decision to move on that’s fair to me! Why risk blowing up the franchise that isn’t really a contender anyways…this te needs to fill a lot of holes and it’s just not feasible otherwise
Also no one thinks Andrew Luck will be better or equal to Peyton. But that doesn’t mean he will suck. He will probably struggle at times as a rookie and develop into a legit franchise QB after taking his lumps…
Bottom line: No player is above an entire franchise…The Colts will move on with Luck who will probably be a good QB no matter how much you want him to fail!
by (206)NightRidah on Feb 6, 2012 11:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Fans
Are gonna complain regardless as long as the team loses! If they sign Manning and pass on Luck they won’t care about Irsays loyalty if Manning can’t play. If they jettison Manning for Luck fans will be angry if Peyton plays elsewhere…If Peyton stays and they cant win a SB fans will blame Grigson and the owner for not having the talent around him.
Winning cures all. I am hoping Luck can be a winner!
by (206)NightRidah on Feb 6, 2012 11:46 PM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
C.Settles wake the hell up dude!
Omaha and Ridah are 100% right! This has absolutely nothing to do with respect what so ever, this is a Business plan and simple! Paying Manning 28 million and luck a ton to sit is Complete cap suicide! I love Peyton too and it totally suck to think that we have seen him take his last snaps as a Colt but its still no reason to be obtuse about it! Love it or hate it Luck is our QB going forward…
by Whisman on Feb 6, 2012 11:53 PM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
We may come off as jerks towards Manning because we don't worship Peyton
Omaha and I are Colt fans first and want to see the Colts be competitive long term. Last year sucked and we all want to see the Colts win. Rebuilding means 5-11 for a year or two but of Luck is the real deal and they draft well it will mean 10 more years of SB contention…
I think this will set a precedent for future aging QBs and contracts. You just can’t give someone 35 a long term deal because they could hit the physical wall at any point and be unable to play.
As much as we admire Manning he isn’t superhuman and was/is going to physically regress injury or not because that’s what 36,38,38 year olds do. Expect to see the greats get two year and not five year deals at the end of their careers moving forward…
by (206)NightRidah on Feb 7, 2012 12:20 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
Well you guys are jerks however I think that Manning should be let go for the sake of the franchise.
However I at least respect those who want to keep him and don’t refer to them as idiots because of it(even though I think it would be bad business to keep him). Can’t really say the same for you guys
by CF4L on Feb 7, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Please read my posts guy...
I never called anyone an idiot. Thats Omaha not me…
by (206)NightRidah on Feb 7, 2012 1:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Window of opportunity
I would love to see Peyton Manning return to the Colts and continue to be the face of the franchise. Unfortunately, his health, though improving, is still a big question mark. Beyond this, most important factor, there is another factor which deserves consideration when discussing what will likely happen regarding Irsay’s decision.
Is this team still within it’s window of opportunity to compete for a championship?
No. The window of opportunity had been closing slightly every year since they won the Super Bowl in 2006. Peyton’s injury before the start of this season, slammed that window shut. Every championship team has a group of playmakers with elite level talent which make the difference in allowing their team to win the Super Bowl. The Colts group of elite players, which has been together for several years, is now past their prime. Wayne, Saturday, Clark, Freeney, and Manning have all peaked and we can expect diminishing returns if we brought this group back together for another run or two at the Super Bowl. Therefore, if you do not expect to be competing for championships in the immediate future, re signing a player who would inhibit your ability to rebuild your roster into a contender, seems like a bad business decision regardless of what this player has meant to your franchise in the past. The fact that the Colts have the opportunity to rebuild around the best prospect in years only makes this decision easier to justify.
by thomasezekiel77 on Feb 6, 2012 11:53 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Really Eli?
Eli just said on David Letterman that Peyton’s doc was so confident in his recovery that if Peyton were his own son he’d say go ahead and play next season. THEN Letterman asked if Peyton was going to be in Indy next season. With his best poker face he said he didn’t know. It was pretty obvious he knew….
by ruseriousclark? on Feb 7, 2012 12:21 AM EST reply actions
Keep it Classy Indianapolis!!!!!
While I realize that professional football is a business..blah, blah,…You ppl act like Manning was a problem child during his career….NOBODY has carried himself with more dignity and respected his JOB like this man(ning)!!!! He earned every damn $$ he got over the years,…. and some years he played with very llittle around him….. What really burns my a$$ is for soome reason… this man isnt allowed one down year… Bob Sanders had how many? Took them a looong time to ditch him… did he ever play a full season without an injury? Gonzalez the same situation……everybody gets the benefit of the doubt and a chance to heal before they r given their walking papers. ….Guitar Jimmy is one classy dude….. Twitter freak that he is….. and who’s to say Luck would even consider coming to Indy seeing how we are rebuilding ……we are a mess really….. and I hope when they cut #18, he goes to a team that at least has an offensive line that is not Offensive…..and if he ever meets the Colts …. I hope he puts up 60 points and shoves it up their wazoos…..( and I have been a Colts fan since 1979 so not bandwagon here….) YOu Reap what you sow……
If Manning was 100% he would Stay a Colt...
He makes much more and takes up more cap space than Sanders and Gonzo…
by (206)NightRidah on Feb 7, 2012 1:33 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Unfortuately, one down year
for a 36 year old (with a serious neck injury) is much different than a down year for a 24 year old. As much as I respect and admire Manning, there are certain realities than can’t be ignored. It really complicates things that the Colts are in a position to draft the best QB prospect in years.
I can't freaking wait for them to have their damn meeting and make a damn decision.
I just want this circus to end. It stopped being ‘fun’ a long time ago.
"A champion is someone who gets up when he can't."
- Jack Dempsey
by infinityzero.systemerror on Feb 7, 2012 3:11 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I see how many Colts fans can be upset with the idea of the face of their franchise in another uniform
But I believe he goes to the NFC next year and I hope i’m wrong but the 49ers are the best fit for him
They are a playoff caliber team with a great run game decent wr’s a good TE and a great defense
They are an elite QB short of being a dominate team
I hope Irsey finds a way to keep him
by mississippisaintsfan on Feb 7, 2012 7:56 AM EST reply actions
peter
what is this dog picture and why do you want us to see it?
i don't give autographs
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