Big coaching turnover in 2008

by Brad Wells on Dec 18, 2007 10:23 AM EST in Colts Analysis

Yes, Brian Westbrook's play at the end of the Dallas game cost me a fantasy football championship. However, it was still an awesome play. Westbrook is a stud. The Eagles, however, are a garbage team and Andy Reid is simply clueless when it comes to drafting talent. The Eagles have not been an elite team since they lost Super Bowl 39 to the Pats, and the reason why is piss poor drafting by Reid. It's been nine years, and he Eagles still do not have a big play WR or TE. For more on this, visit Bleeding Green Nation.

It's my opinion that Reid should (and might) get the boot in Philly. They were mathematically eliminated last night from the playoffs for the second time in two years. Reid can't coach this team anymore, and his in-game decisions this year cost them at least two wins. The whiny fatman should get the boot, along with a lot of other coaches. I think there will be a lot of coaching turnaround this off-season. Petrino is already gone in Atlanta, but to be honest he was never really all there anyway. Other coaches that will likely get booted are John Fox, Cam Cameron, Herm Edwards, Mike Nolan, Marvin Lewis, Tom Coughlin, and Scott Linehan. It's also possible Jon Gruden and Jack Del Rio will leave their jobs in Jacksonville and Tampa Bay, respectively. That's ten coaches possibly leaving their teams. Add to that the strong possibility that Dungy could retire at the end of this season, and you've got yourself a coaching whirlwind.

There are many good assistants waiting in the wings for head coaching opportunities, like Jim Caldwell, Leslie Frazer, Al Sanders, Jim Schwartz, and Mike Singletary. And, of course, guys like Bill Cowher and Marty Schottenheimer are available. So, if you think about it, having all those fired coaches is not such a bad thing. All seven initially listed stink, and both Gruden and Del Rio are nothing special. If teams like Cincy, KC, NY, and St. Louis retain their coach, you can pretty much scratch them off for the 2008 season as well. Since owners are somewhat unwilling to accept that (except maybe Wayne Huizinga), I expect lots of coaching turnover in the 2008.

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Dungy retiring

I don't want to hear any more of this Dungy retiring talk from you BBS. I'm not ready to deal with that possibility yet.

The Shogun of Harlem

by shonuff on Dec 18, 2007 10:31 AM EST reply actions

cam cameron

the fins may have been pathetic this year, but you can't blame a coach who has only been there one season... this team is aging and still doesn't have a QB... anyone who fires a coach after one year is insane... give him at least three years, to pull things together and have some say in brining in and developing young talent.. after 3-5 years if they still suck... then fire them but give the guy a chance at least. playing musical coaches never works.

by bluegirl on Dec 18, 2007 10:59 AM EST reply actions

It's more than that

Cameron's coaching this season has been awful. His play-calling has been dreadful, and his in-game decisions cost Miami at least three wins. Also, starting a rookie QB (that Miami used a second round pick on) and then benching him for Cleo Lemon is unforgivable. Then, there's the whole Ted Ginn Jr. thing. Plus, the veteran players that are good (Jason Taylor) hate Cameron's guts.

He was a horrible hire, and a new coach is needed desperately. The Dolphins will never sniff the post-season with Cameron as their coach.

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by Brad Wells on Dec 18, 2007 11:13 AM EST up reply actions

true.... but

but when you hire a rookie head coach there are going to be growing pains.... he stepped into a disaster of a team.. and no matter what it will take time... yes, he has made bad decisions, but i don't bash him for not starting the rookie QB... the kid did play and looked horrid... he may just not be ready yet.. and the kind of failure they are having makes everything seem worse that it is... like i said, i wouldn't judge a coach until he has at least 3 years...

maybe jason taylor doesn't like him, but how much longer will he be around.. if the fins want to rebuild he may be on the way out anyways....

by bluegirl on Dec 19, 2007 9:40 AM EST up reply actions

Dungy Retiring

Why would that be a big deal? People talk about Jim Caldwell being ready for a head coaching job; why couldn't he do it? Sure, Dungy is a future HoFer, but so's Marvin and Peyton, and those guys will retire at some point as well.

Also, some of those listed names aren't going anywhere. Cam Cameron, Herm Edwards, and Scott Linehan have all had some kind of guarantee made. I can't see Cincy firing Marvin Lewis. Gruden will stick around since the Bucs are going back to the playoffs, albeit in one of the worst divisions in football.

"Hey, if you want me to come here, I want to come here. But if you don't, I'm going to beat your butt for 15 years playing in the AFC." -Peyton Manning-

by MonkeyBusiness on Dec 18, 2007 12:07 PM EST reply actions

Uhhh . . . huh?

Why would that be a big deal? At least 12 wins in 5 straight seasons? 72-22 as our head coach? A Super Bowl winner? One of the greatest football coaches in the history of the game? How would that not a big deal?

I'm glad people talk about Jim Caldwell being ready. People also talked about how silly Houston was for drafting Mario Williams over Reggie Bush, how Michael Vick was the future of quarterback in the NFL, and how Peyton Manning couldn't win the big one. Since when does people talking about something make it a rock solid fact?

Look, I believe in Caldwell as much as the next fan, and I think that promoting him to head coach is the Colts' best chance to continue along the same path they are on. However, to suggest that the likelihood of him matching the track record of a legend is such a given that it simply doesn't matter if Dungy retires is lunacy. I have concerns that someone will snatch Caldwell before Dungy retires, but I want Dungy as our head coach as long as possible. If Calwell leaves before Dungy is ready to hand over the reigns, so be it.

And what is this logic about Manning and Marvin retiring? Of course they will retire someday. I fail to see how that furthers your argument of Dungy retiring being no big deal. If Peyton retired at the end of the season, would you feel like it's no big deal? What is this logic? "Ah, Peyton's gonna retire someday, so he might as well do it this year. Who cares."

Dungy has this team by the throat. He has fully implemented his system, and it is humming like a machine. I want that to continue as long as possible.

The Shogun of Harlem

by shonuff on Dec 18, 2007 12:34 PM EST up reply actions

agreed

Go Colts!

by KingRichard on Dec 18, 2007 12:53 PM EST up reply actions

Noooo Oooone Knoooooows!

My point was that change is a necessary part of football. Let's remember that Dungy has talked about retiring for a couple of years now, and Peyton has said he wants to play for about 15 years, which five years from now. For whatever reason, whenever I do franchise mode in Madden, Marvin always retires after this season, so it could be a case of fiction imitating reality. I'd rather see Dungy go out a winner than slog through a bunch of 6-8 win seasons and tarnish a Hall of Fame resume (i.e Joe Gibbs).

The point is, no one saw Tarik Glenn's retirement coming. Who knows what could happen in the offseason?

"Hey, if you want me to come here, I want to come here. But if you don't, I'm going to beat your butt for 15 years playing in the AFC." -Peyton Manning-

by MonkeyBusiness on Dec 18, 2007 1:31 PM EST up reply actions

Peyton Manning

Manning said he couldn't see himself playing longer than 18 years and Dungy stated earlier this year he felt like he could coach 3 or 4 years, but he would take it year to year.

by Blueisgood on Dec 18, 2007 3:00 PM EST up reply actions

Singletary...

would be a good head coach. I think Dungy's greatest attribute is his analytical approach--he doesn't let emotions get in the way of his coaching, his game planning, his business sense or his sideline judgement. And he motivates his players by selling all of that to them. I think Singletary would be a similar guy. I also like that he is a formal NFL player on a legendary squad, like Dungy.

by will on Dec 19, 2007 7:20 AM EST up reply actions