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Pete Prisco and I agree- Vince Young stinks

If you recall, last year this timeI did not take to kindly to Pete Prisco's 2006 top 50 NFL players listing. In fact, I got so mad that I ended up creating the Screw Pete Prisco Top 50 NFL players list. Hey, it was the off-season and I was bored.

This year, Pete once again has his Top 50. He redeems himself somewhat listing guys like Kerry Rhodes and Nnamdi Asomugha while leaving schmucks like Randy Moss off the list. He does list Shawn Merriman in the top 10 though, which is crap. Anyone caught cheating has no business being on a best of list unless there's a "Athelete with the Highest Testosterone in his Stool" category. Pete also has Walter Jones and Jonathan Ogden on the list, but no Tarik Glenn who is better than both of Jones and Ogden hands down.

However, despite Pete's little lapses, I do not plan to pimp slap him again this year. Why? Because his recent article ranking the most over-rated and under-rated players in the league is damn near close to perfect. I swear to God, Pete Prisco is reading this site, and my opinions have somehow brainwashed him into my greatest disciple.

Pete Prisco is now under my control.
Here are some examples:
Baltimore Ravens
Overrated

RB Willis McGahee. Blame the Bills line all you want, but this guy just hasn't performed like a star back.

Interesting. I say this because this is what I've said about McGahee for some time. He stinks, hands down. He's also a complete idiot, and contrary to popular belief you need at least a fourth grade education to play football. I doubt Willis can even color within the lines. My opinion is, of course, shared by BrianG at Buffalo Rumblings. But, it was not Pete's assessment of McGahee that had me giggling with glee:
Dallas Cowboys
Overrated

QB Tony Romo. It's way too early to put him as a top 10 quarterback, which some have done. He sure didn't look like it at the end of last season.

As we speak, Terry is traveling at top speed to wherever Pete Prisco lives. In the back of Terry's truck is some duct tape, razor wire, and a Tony Romo-autographed issue of People Magazine, which Terry plans to stuff down Pete's throat.

Despite Terry's romosexual love for Tony, the opinions on Stampede Blue regarding the Cowboys' QB are pretty consistent: Let's see him actually DO SOMETHING before we start singing his praises. When Romo came onto the scene, every Cowboy fan and his momma was ready to annoint him the next Troy Aikman. His Pro Bowl bid was a joke, but not as much of a joke as Vince Young's (more on that in a bit... small hint: Vince Yong's ranking was what made me giddy). Romo is a decent QB who has potential. Anyone ranking him in the top 10 is either a complete idiot or a Cowboy homer.

Tony can't believe Pete Prisco doesn't like him.

So, Pete's now 2 for 2. He's pretty much said exactly what we at Stampede Blue have said for a while. But wait, it gets better:

New England Patriots
Overrated

LB Tedy Bruschi. He has slowed down, and that showed up in a big way in the playoff loss to the Colts. He doesn't have it anymore, and is living on his reputation.

When I read this, I nearly spit my iced-double-frap-mocha-java-latte-creme-float onto my monitor. Very few, if any, real NFL writers have taken the position Stampede Blue has regarding Tedy Bruschi: He's done. You could see it during the AFCCG. He can't run. He can't cover. Dallas Clark and Joseph Addai made him look old and silly. However, despite the obviousness of Bruschi's inept play, many writers have not said what we have said... until now. Pete apparently saw what we saw. He saw an old, slow linebacker that simply cannot compete anymore. Maybe we're wrong. Maybe Bruschi was hurt all last year and it affected his ability to do basic cover assignments. But, I don't think we are.

Wow! Pete is 3-3. Can he bat for the cycle? I mean, what more can Pete possibly write? He's pretty much hit the nail on the head when it comes to the most over-rated players in football. Who else could he add?

Tennessee Titans
Overrated

QB Vince Young. Is it crazy to put a second-year player in this spot? Maybe. But he isn't close to being the quarterback some say he is. He can't pass the football consistently yet, but most would make you think otherwise. Give him time.

Oh. My. God.

That's it! That settles it. Pete Prisco is indeed reading this site. Pete sees it our way; the objective way; the no-Go-Longhorns-I'm-a-big-fat-Vince-Young-ballwashing-homer way. Vince Young has trouble throwing the ball. That is NOT a good thing is Vince Young is the QB of your team. Heck, one could make an argument that Young is the most over-rated player in the league.

Young made the Pro Bowl last year despite completing only 51% of his passes and throwing more INTs than TDs. Just to put that into perspective: Eli Manning of the NY Giants completed 57% of his passes with 24 TDs and 18 INTs. He got his team to the playoffs for the second year in a row. Yet, despite these accomplishments, the NY Press and the NFL media gurus are poised to label Peyton's younger brother a bust.

o·ver·rat·ed, o·ver·rat·ing, o·ver·rates: To overestimate the merits of; rate too highly. Example: Vince Young's good because he's "a winner."

Meanwhile, in fairytale land, Vince Young completes barely 51% of his passes, throws 13 picks to only 12 TDs, and misses the playoffs. Yet, despite these horrid numbers, Vince Young gets awarded a Pro Bowl birth, and everyone in the known world is ready to christen this guy Saint Vince d'Nashville.

Sorry, not buying. And neither is Pete Prisco. Last year's final AFC Pro Bowl QB spot should have gone to Chad Pennington, not Vince Young. Unlike Vince, Chad actually had more TDs than INTs. Also unlike Vince, Chad's team made the playoffs. Despite the tremendous potential that Young possesses in terms of size, arm strength, and athletic ability, he is simply not a very good QB right now. As I've said many, many times before: A QB is garbage unless he can throw the ball with accuracy and velocity from the pocket.

Michael Vick was described in his second year much the same way Young is right now: Tremendous potential and athletic ability. Now, six years later, what's Vick's re-occuring problem?

Atlanta Falcons
Overrated

QB Michael Vick. Until he becomes a better pocket passer, he's always going to be in this spot. It can still happen for him, but it takes work. This is a huge year for him on the field -- if he stays there.

So, like Vick, until I see Vince Young actually throw the ball from the pocket and have a receiver catch it, I cannot take him seriously. His Pro Bowl nod was a joke, and all this Vince Young fawning is making me sick because it's not based in fact or production.

It's based on pure, blind homerism.

At least Pete Prisco has two eyes and isn't still swooning in the after glow of the 2006 National Championship Game. Yes, I know Vince Young was a college legend. So was Eric Crouch. I don't care what someone did in college. College football is an inferior sport to professional football. There is no debate there, no argument. What a guy did in college means absolutely nothing now, and until I see Vince Young actually DO SOMETHING, I will keep him in the Tony Romo-class of QBs.

Thankfully, someone like Prisco actually has the stones to speak the truth that we at Stampede Blue have been saying for a while. I was beginning to think everyone in big media had attended the University of Texas (or, at least, gotten drunk at a frat party there). For his honesty and accute knowledge of the great sport of professional football, we at Stampede Blue give Pete Prisco a big, sloppy wet kiss.

Who loves ya, Pete!

Have a good weekend. Go Colts!

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you were right the first time BigBlue
Prisco is an idiot, always has, always will be. Anything that guy has ever written is complete garbage, epecially this article.

There is no way you can name 10 qb's in the league better than Romo, it can't be done. If anyone tries, then they're just a Romo hater, plain and simple.

BTW, leaving T.O. out of the top 50 is an absolute joke. No doubt the dude is a complete jerk and ass, but he's also one of the best offensive players in the league, hands down. Whens the last time Marvin Harrison caught 13 TD's with a torn tendon in one of his fingers?

by Terry on Jun 16, 2007 9:43 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed
I don't know what the lists are supposed to represent. T.O. gets snubbed because he loses some nice-guy award, but Merriman is lauded even though he does steroids. Are they measured by what happens on the field or not? If so, it's about impossible to keep T.O. out of the top-25.

by SteveW on Jun 16, 2007 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Best. Picture. Ever.
Just sayin', that picture of Romo cracks me up every time.  
Go Colts!

by Marked Hoosier on Jun 16, 2007 2:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

10 QBs
  1. Manning
  2. Brady
  3. Palmer
  4. Brees
  5. Bulger
  6. McNabb
  7. Rivers
  8. Hasselbeck
  9. Roethlisberger
  10. Huard
I think you have to go on track record with guys like Hasselbeck and Big Ben, both of whome were premier QBs up until last season when both battled injuries. And as along as we're saying that a QB can be evaluated after only a smattering of starts, I think you'd have to say Damon Huard is better. 11 TDS, only one pick, 98 QB rating and didit with a lot fewer offensive options than Romo.

I'm not a Romo hater. I saw him play a few times in college and thought he was way better than the I-AA level and thought he had a future in The League, but his last six regular season starts of the year were positively Grossmanesque. Three games with a 100+ rating, three games with a 60- rating. He's way better than Grossman, be he needs to show quite a bit more before hes a top 10 QB.

by BSanders37 on Jun 16, 2007 4:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Get Roehtlisberger off this list, but...
But I think I can come up with 10 others that aren't even on your list.
  1. Pennington
  2. Manning the lesser
  3. Warner (yes - better than Romo)
  4. Trent Green
  5. Bledsoe (yes - better than Romo)
  6. Alex Smith
  7. Leinart (OK - I'm reaching now - but I'm trying to stay away from the obvious)
  8. Doug Flutie (Can I pull out retired QBs? Yes - I already did with Bledsoe)
OK - I give up at 8. I was tempted to throw Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer in there, but I wanted to leave Romo with a little dignity. We haven't seen enough of him yet to truly judge what kind of QB he will be.

Sure, 5-8 are probably a stretch, but we shall see. I came up with 8 that aren't even in the top 9 - making at least 17 QBs that are better than Romo. I think Romo is better than Roethlisberger though. Big Ben has never been a "premier quarterback". His career is defined by ensuring he doesn't throw for more than 20 times a game. Don't throw QB ratings at me either - go look at the stat lines. Tomlinson has an awesome QB rating, but that hardly makes him a "premier quarterback."

by SteveW on Jun 16, 2007 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

your list is really funny
Bledsoe?? that is so ridiculous I'm still laughing. What planet are you from? With Bledsoe, the Cowboys aren't even a .500 team last season, Romo had to save the season, which he did.

Flutie?? I said 10 qb's playing today.

Warner?? see Flutie.

Alex Smith and Leinart, thats just assinine to include them.

by Terry on Jun 17, 2007 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fuzzy math
They are too 0.500 with Bledsoe - they were 3-2 when Bledsoe was pulled. Oops - you're right, that's not 0.500. It works out to 10-6 over the season. What did they end up at with Romo finishing? 11-5? 12-4?

Fine, dump Flutie. Last I checked Warner was still on the Arizona roster though.

Alex Smith has the goods - and he may have the team this year. Romo had an all-star running game and receivers working for him. I would take Alex Smith over Romo any day.

OK - Leinart was a dig, but he doesn't have a line so who knows. He showed a little stuff against the Bears, but they kept running up the middle instead of opening it up.

by SteveW on Jun 17, 2007 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you actually think
the Cowboys were a better team with Bledsoe, then you simply don't know much about football. Yeah, they were 3-2 under Bledsoe, but they would have been 5-0 under Romo to start the season and would have been 11-5 and 12-5 easily if Romo is the opening day starter. No question.

There is absolutely no way Warner or Smith is better than Romo, especially Warner. Thats just ridiculous.

by Terry on Jun 18, 2007 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That passes for analysis...
OK. But I don't get what Romo has done to deserve your praise. He's shown small flashes of brilliance, and a propensity to melt down in a flurry of interceptions (hmm - Grossman syndrome?). "They would have been 5-0 under Romo to start the season... No question." Right - it would be absurd to question that because that would only be predicting the outcome of football games that weren't played. It's not reasonable to think there could be any disagreement about how those games would have come out.

Bledsoe only sent Tom Brady to the Superbowl, and Warner has the third-highest career QB rating ever. Sure, Bledsoe has become a bit immobile, and Warner hasn't shown a lot lately (arguably due to injuries and lack of offensive line). But to say comparing these proven guys to Romo is "ridiculous" is - well, ridiculous.

We have to speculate about both Romo and Smith, because neither has done anything yet. Let's compare their performances this year, and see who knows more about football.

by SteveW on Jun 18, 2007 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you miss the point
I wasn't saying Romo was better than Beldsoe or Warner when they were in their prime, I'm saying he's better than those guys right now, this very moment in time.

and where do get a "flurry of INT's"?  When did that ever happen? Sure he threw some picks when his O line completely sucked in December, but I've also seen Manning and Brady do the same thing when they are pressured. Just watch the AFC Championship Game from 2 years ago, and you'll see what I mean.

by Terry on Jun 18, 2007 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Huard?? thats funny!
Romo is 10 times better than Huard. You would have an argument for Big Ben pre MC injury, but not now. He'll just be average at best from now on.

Romo is every bit as good as Phillips.

by Terry on Jun 17, 2007 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A new low for this site
Proudly associating himself with this guy.

Damn - so much for hoping for a more objective approach to football analysis 'round here.

by Burnt Orange Nation on Jun 16, 2007 6:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

marvin
and how does marvin rate behind chad johnson?  chad is loud and flashy, but his numbers aren't even close to where marvin is.... and even reggie should be above him... not to say chad isn't a good receiver, but i don't see him in the top ten players in the league.   this list might have a few insights but i think it still shows how dumb prisco is... putting peyton, brady L.T  1,2 3 is a no brainer but i really question a lot of his choices from there...

by bluegirl on Jun 16, 2007 6:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Disagree...
On VY completely!

USC was absolutely owned by VY in the Rose Bowl. As much as I hated that loss it is hard to argue that it was greatest greatest college game in a log time if not of all time.

VY can Play No doubt. I'm disappointed that you can't acknowledge his talent as he is an explosive player.

Sad, really.

Conquest Chronicles

by Paragon SC on Jun 16, 2007 6:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

VY explosive...
OK - what exactly explodes when Vince Young plays?

His touchdowns per throw, yards per attempt, and completion percentage are all low. His yards per completion are pretty good, which is a good sign that he can go down the field. His interceptions are atrocius, but that happens to a lot of rookies. As a passing quarterback, he looks worse than a young Kitna, and comparable to a young McNabb.

Even as a "running" quarterback he is mediocre. He looks about equal to a young McNabb, but he averages far few yards per carry than Vick, and even Steve Young had better years rushing.

McNabb obviously picked it up and had some years that Kitna could never touch. So what we know is that VY shows some promise, and no one can yet say what he might become. But it's not obvious that he is an "explosive player", and in fact if he doesn't pick up his passing game like McNabb did, his running game isn't good enough to hang around perpetually a la Michael Vick.

by SteveW on Jun 17, 2007 10:44 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ha
If you can watch this and say you don't see an explosive player, then you're even crazier than Big Blue Shoe is.

by Burnt Orange Nation on Jun 17, 2007 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dude,
Anything that includes running against the Colts as a highlight is automatically suspect.

Seriously, though, 2 words: Randall Cunningham.

I hope he's going to be great, but there have been too many that started even better and fizzled. And I may be crazier than BBS.

by SteveW on Jun 17, 2007 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Peter King
Thinks Vince Young is the 7th best QB in the NFL...

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/peter_king/06/17/qbs/1.html

I'm no Vince Young hater, I like the guy alot. But that's overrating him at this point

Bleeding Green Nation Philadelphia Eagles Blog

by JasonB on Jun 18, 2007 1:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

judging QB's
anytime you try to say how good a QB is or will be without at least a full season worth of starts is ridiculous.  QB's take time  to develop.  there are a lot of guys who will look alright or show promise in their first year as a starter, but where are they 3 years later....  QB's get a bit of a free ride in their first few games until people get enough tape to  figure them out.  tell me how good vince young is after facing the jags D a couple more times.. same goes for romo.  there may be potential, but i can't rate him as a top 10 starter until he plays another season and improves off a good start...

by bluegirl on Jun 18, 2007 1:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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