A quick way to piss BBS off: Rank Randy Moss ahead of Marvin Harrison
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In fact, of the top 10 WRs of all time, Colts receiver Marvin Harrison is ranked 10th, behind Cris Carter (8), Terrel Owens (9), and Michael "Where's the f&*king COCAINE!" Irvin (4).
Now, if there is a fast track way to piss me off, it's dumbass articles like this. First of all, of the panelists evaluating the greatest receivers of all time, not one of them is a cornerback. Warren Moon (QB), Raymond Berry (WR), Mike Holgreme (Fat coach), Ted Thompson, (General Manager), Boyd Dowler (WR), and Keyshawn Johnson (over-rated WR and braindead TV commentator) were never corners. The lone former-defensive back on the panel, Ken Houston, played safety. As many know, cornerbacks are usually the first line of defense against a WR, and if anyone knows if a WR is good or not, it's a CB. Safeties are in the know to, obviously. but having only one on the panel makes the entire panel laughable and the article a worthless piece of crap.
I understand that articles like this are especially created so hotheads like me can go "WTF!" and post links to it on my blog so it can spike ESPN's ugly, video-laced website. Knowing that, I won't waste time picking through the obvious stupidity of having idiots like Keyshawn Johnson decide who the best WR of all time is. What I will say is that whenever CBs, or defensive backs in general, and modern-day WRs are asked who the consensus best WR in football is, they always say Marvin Harrison.
Indeed, an article as recently as two days ago spotlighted Niners CB Nate Clements. Clements was asked who the best WRs are right now. His response was this:
Clements: "I think the way he runs routes separates him, and he has excellent hands. He is a sure-handed catcher. He has the speed. The numbers don't lie."
2. Randy Moss, New England Patriots
Clements: "He's been real consistent throughout his career."
3. Chad Johnson, Cincinnati Bengals
Clements: "Chad is very quick. He can catch the ball. He has good size. He runs good routes and he can go up and go get the ball."
Regardless, what truly speaks volumes is high level NFL DBs still consider Marvin the best WR of the modern era. While media idiots like ESPN trumpet Owens or Moss, the people who actually play the friggin' game always say Harrison, Harrison, HARRISON! Yet, one sees very little recognition for Marvin on this.
It's just another example of why sports media is in the toilet bowl, and why blogs (like this one) are so important to keeping things real. Now, please excuse me as I step off my high horse, look for my chainsaw, and track down Mike Sando so I can persuade him never to write dumb articles like this again.
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I actually think the list is quite accurate
by Terry on Mar 27, 2008 2:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You want to know what I think?
Yeah, chew on that one. Your dungs are being compared to the Detroit Lions!
by beester on Mar 27, 2008 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, 3 rings and a HOF bust is really funny
by Terry on Mar 27, 2008 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Marvin Harrison
by metalmilitia on Mar 27, 2008 4:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Marvin/Irvin
Harrison has 2,040 more receiving yards
Harrison has caught 58 more touchdowns
There's more to evaluating playrs than pure stats but the stats have to be in the same ballpark before you take anything else into account.
by shake n bake on Mar 27, 2008 4:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
no they don't
Harrison had a fine career but my man Playmaker was pure money clutch with 3 rings to prove it.
I'd take Irvin over Harrison any day and twice on Sundays.
by Terry on Mar 27, 2008 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Harrison has only played one more season
by shake n bake on Mar 27, 2008 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This argument is silly
The point of the article is people who actually still play say Harrison is the not not named Jerry Rice.
by BigBlueShoe on Mar 27, 2008 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One more thing
by BigBlueShoe on Mar 27, 2008 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
judging by the rankings, its not obvious
I'm pretty sure that QBs and WRs can judge WRs just as well as CBs, that argument you make is very weak.
by Terry on Mar 27, 2008 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No you cant
by metalmilitia on Mar 27, 2008 8:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
58...
by MasterRWayne on Mar 27, 2008 8:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
catching more TDs down't mean
Irvin clearly had more money, clutch catches than Harrison during his career and thats what makes him better IMO.
by Terry on Mar 27, 2008 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Clutch
Oh Yeah, every single time someone refuses to accept that the player they like better isn't the best by the numbers. They have to turn to something that isn't quantifiable and exists in their own mind, where of course their favorite player is the best.
by shake n bake on Mar 28, 2008 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh and
by shake n bake on Mar 28, 2008 8:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Terry
'98 -- Faulk 1319 yds
'99 -- James 1553 yds (led league)
'00 -- James 1709 yds (led league)
'01 -- James/ 1766 yds
Rhodes
'02 -- James/ 1325 yds
Mungro
'03 -- James/ 1416 yds
Rhodes
'04 -- James 1548 yds
'05 -- James 1506 yds
'06 -- Addai/ 1722 yds
Rhodes
'07 -- Addai/ 1605 yds
Keith
Yeah, I see your point. Too bad the Colts never had a running game and had to artificially inflate Marvin's stats....
by ctnyc on Mar 28, 2008 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I never said the Colts didn't have a running game
Also, your better stats argument is a baseball argument, doesn't quite work they way in football. There are more intangibles to look at, like being the heart and soul of the greatest dynasty of all time.
by Terry on Mar 28, 2008 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
More lies
You see? He makes the argument that if the Colts weren't such a passing team Marvin never would have had his statistical success. Then when I point out that the Colts have actually been one of the league's better running teams over the last decade, he claims he never made such an argument. Nice try, but again, the fact that his past comments are right here on the intertubes for everyone to refer to belies his lame excuses.
As for the greatest dynasty argument, I had no idea that Michael Irvin played for the 49ers.
by ctnyc on Mar 28, 2008 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh and by the way
Harrison is better"? But now if I don't include TD totals for RBs it proves your point. So I guess TDs don't matter when they don't support your point, but they do matter when they do support your point. I see.
Nice try though.
by ctnyc on Mar 28, 2008 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
your argument makes no sense
by Terry on Mar 28, 2008 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Berry Sanders played for the Lyons, moron!
by beester on Mar 28, 2008 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your Emmitt
by beester on Mar 28, 2008 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Two points
Second, I think Emmit smith is a great player, but he can't hold Barry Sanders' jock. Smith took football more seriously and loved the game more, but Sanders was simply a freak. For ten years, he terrorized teams.Emmit Smith was lucky enough to land on a team like Dallas with loads of talent. Barry Sanders played for the Lions, one of the most inept franchises in sports history.
But in terms of running the football, Sanders is leaps and bounds better than Smith... and probably everyone else.
by BigBlueShoe on Mar 28, 2008 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if that was true BBS
Therefore, your first statement is complete BS as this post proves there are many non Cowboys fans who think Irvin is light years better than Harrison.
Second, Emmitt is clearly the greatest RUNNING BACK to ever play.
Barry Sanders was the greatest RUNNER to ever play.
Big difference. A running back actually blocks and catches passes in addition to actually running the ball. Sanders couldn't hold Emmitt's jock strap in those areas which are obviously just as important.
by Terry on Mar 28, 2008 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
goajgioajsg
by KingRichard on Mar 29, 2008 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again
And you said "no way Harrison catches as many passes as a Cowboy with that team." You said absolutely zilch about TDs, you said Marvin wouldn't catch as many passes, period. This is not my argument Terry, these are your words. Now you are changing your argument because you have been proven wrong. May I once again remind you how these internets work: we can all go back and re-read what you've written. So changing your story midstream only makes you look more and more ridiculous.
Again, nice try though.
by ctnyc on Mar 29, 2008 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
58 TDs is
The exact difference between Tim Brown and Eddie Kenison
bigger than the gap between Peerless Price and Issac Bruce
Bigger than the gap from Plaxico Burress, Muhsin Muhammad or Chad Johnson to Myself
by shake n bake on Mar 28, 2008 8:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
only in regular season
rec yds TDs
Irvin 87 1,314 8
Harrison 63 927 4
by Terry on Mar 28, 2008 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right on time
It makes sooo much more sense to evaluate a player by 15-16 games than by 150+
So 4 TDs in the playoffs is worth 58 regular season TDs is that the exchange rate?
by shake n bake on Mar 28, 2008 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Awesome!
by MasterRWayne on Mar 28, 2008 11:01 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
marvin harrison isn't better than randy moss
by tommybrady on Mar 28, 2008 4:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Actually...
by MasterRWayne on Mar 29, 2008 10:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
depends on how much you penalize
by shake n bake on Mar 29, 2008 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but brady
ill provide a couple of links where the manning could have easily placed a hell of a lot more TD's if he wasnt benched tommybrady
by metalmilitia on Mar 29, 2008 4:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Terry
http://forums.helmet2helmet.net/index.php?showtopic=33693&st=0&#entry3129409
See it is only cowboy fans who agree with you
by metalmilitia on Mar 29, 2008 10:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
18 to 88 on Harrison-Irvin
scroll past Harrison vs Cris Carter
by shake n bake on Mar 30, 2008 12:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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