Steve "McHurt" retires
Steve McNair retired from the NFL today. There is a 1pm press conference scheduled. We wish Steve well in this next stage of his life, but we still consider him one of the most over-hyped football players of his generation.
McNair got the nickname "McHurt" from Colts fans because it always seemed that he was injured and that when he played on Sunday it was because of his "amazing" powers to tolerate pain and be "tough." The reality is McNair was a lazy player who did not condition himself well in the off-seasons and, as a consequence, got hurt A LOT when he played on Sundays. Here is CBS' Pete Prisco discussing McNair some time ago:
Again, further proof that our national sports press corps is completely and utterly clueless.
For the first portion of his career, McNair tormented the Colts not necessarily because he was good (he wasn't) but because the teams he was on were better. When the Titans shifted more towards throwing the ball, that is about the time Indy started owning the Titans.
From a personal stand point, I'm glad McNair is retired because it was obvious he was done. I don't want lingering injury to last throughout the rest of his life. From a football stand point, McNair was highly over-rated and waaaaaaaaay over-hyped. If anyone suggests HoF for this guy, they will get a swift backhand from me (and just about everyone else). Yes, that includes you Gus Johnson.
McNair finishes his career with 31,304 yards, 174 TDs, and 119 INTs. Check out Music City Miracles and Baltimore Beatdown for more posts on McNair's retirement.
Update [2008-4-17 18:24:18 by BigBlueShoe]: There were some comments in the post that were deleted because they were racially insensitive. My apologies to anyone offended. I personally will not stand for anyone who makes the suggestion (let alone flat out states) that my opinions of Steve McNair or any minority player are racially motivated or biased. You can disagree with me all you want. I encourage you to disagree. But, in order to belittle my argument, if you call me, or anyone else here, a racist because we don't think McNair, or Vince Young, or Michael Vick are good players because they are African Americans, that is the fast track to Bansville; Population: Arrogant morons who want to dismiss an opinion by implying a racist agenda where non exists.
Again, apologies to anyone offended by some of the contributors comments others made in this thread.
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FO 2003 QB DPAR
Peyton Manning 120.5
Steve McNair 90.0
Passing
Manning 125.7
McNair 85.2
Rushing
Manning -5.2
McNair 4.8
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb2003.php
30 points is a lot.
by shake n bake on
Apr 17, 2008 12:19 PM EDT
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McNair was a good, but not great QB
by Terry on
Apr 17, 2008 12:44 PM EDT
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And yet
Please, can we end this dumb talk? If McNair had won that Super Bowl, he'd still not be a HoFer.
by BigBlueShoe on
Apr 17, 2008 1:42 PM EDT
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What about him?
by BigBlueShoe on
Apr 17, 2008 6:01 PM EDT
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no, not at all, however
Say what you want about McNair, but he certainly had a trait Manning doesn't possess and that is he could make a negative play into a positive play in the face of chaos as well as any QB I've ever seen.
by Terry on
Apr 18, 2008 8:44 AM EDT
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Listen
Sorry you didn't like it, but sometimes the truth hurts.
by BigBlueShoe on
Apr 17, 2008 1:40 PM EDT
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The Warrior
My favorite memory of The Warrior was watching him play one Sunday, when Gus Johnson reminded us of just how big of a hero he was, with the call, "McNair back to pass, OFF TWO BAD LEGS!"
Goodbye hero. You truly are one of the best warrior hero's ever in the history of warriors.
by shonuff on
Apr 17, 2008 2:12 PM EDT
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HoF
The truth is that he is a black qb and the media and the nfl have a lot of reasons to pump black qb's up.
And if the popular opinion does not jibe with the reality of the situation; well, that is just something we won't talk about.
If Warren Moon is a HoFamer; McNair is a slam-dunk.
On the same note, McNabb is also a first ballot shoe-in.
In a perfect world skin color whould not change perception of performance. Someday there will be a pocket passing black qb who is actually as good as a Marino or Manning. Until then the media will just have to settle for what we have.
by zilla1126 on
Apr 17, 2008 2:45 PM EDT
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Skin color
McNair had fine numbers, but he never truly dominated the game they way guys like Moon or even Donovan McNabb have done. So, his skin color here matters very little, and any further discussion of it will not be tolerated. No offense, but the only way this kind of discussion can go is downward in a spiral and I want to nip it in the bud right here.
Talk about his legacy, his importance to the Titans, his laziness off the field, whatever. Skin color in this regard is not relevant.
by BigBlueShoe on
Apr 17, 2008 3:27 PM EDT
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Lets talk in 5 years
Green
http://www.nfl.com/players/trentgreen/profile?id=GRE367521
McNair
http://www.nfl.com/players/stevemcnair/profile?id=MCN033803
Note that despite Green compiling no statistics for 5 of his first seven seasons (due to being on the bench or injured) that he has better stats in just about every way than McNair. Green probably will never garner even consideration for the HoF; whereas I maintain that McNair will be a first-ballot inductee.
After Green's horrific knee injury his first year with the Rams (1999), he was not injured until his horrific head injury in 2006. That is six consecutive seasons without missing a start.
I'm sorry that I did not go more out of the way to mention that I actually like Steve McNair. He was not much of a passer his first few years, but he really blossomed. I just think he was overrated for non-random reasons.
If it is generally agreed that he is/was overrated; then why? He did not play in a large market. He did not win a SB with a dominant team (like a certain Bear QB).
Was he just randomly picked to be overrated?
by zilla1126 on
Apr 17, 2008 4:09 PM EDT
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Your argument relys on him being a HOFer
He's not going to be a HOFer. He's overrated because commentators love to sell the toughness angle and his constant injuries allowed that.
by shake n bake on
Apr 17, 2008 4:16 PM EDT
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Umm yeah
by MasterRWayne on
Apr 17, 2008 4:00 PM EDT
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McNair
by MerryGoByeBye on
Apr 17, 2008 2:58 PM EDT
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Word of Wisdon from Steve McNair
Um, That is what your numbers represent, how well you played on the field.
by shake n bake on
Apr 17, 2008 3:38 PM EDT
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Tough
by shonuff on
Apr 17, 2008 4:46 PM EDT
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Ugh
And BBS and I could really care less what the "main stream" media thinks of us bloggers. These are the same idiots who would rather talk about who is or who isn't wearing a American flag lapel pen(that are made in China I might add) then the state of our economy and our country. This is the same "main stream media" that crowned the Patriots as the greatest team ever before the playoffs had even started yet.
I couldn't give one "limp donkey dick" what the media thinks of us.
by MasterRWayne on
Apr 17, 2008 4:59 PM EDT
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Here's an NBA statisical analysis site
by shake n bake on
Apr 17, 2008 5:26 PM EDT
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Maybe I should include the link
http://dberri.wordpress.com/2006/07/25/an-allen-iverson-comment/
by shake n bake on
Apr 17, 2008 5:26 PM EDT
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One of the Good Guys is gone.
by TitansFan10 on
Apr 17, 2008 5:54 PM EDT
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Main Stream Press
Plus, the main stream press these days is about two steps away from Entertainment Tonight.
by shonuff on
Apr 17, 2008 6:04 PM EDT
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Mac
by MasterRWayne on
Apr 17, 2008 6:25 PM EDT
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McNair
That being said, he never caused much trouble, and from all accounts was a great teammate. There are a lot worse guys out there than Steve McNair.
The real question is... can the Ravens finally get someone to play QB?
by the21eraser on
Apr 17, 2008 11:19 PM EDT
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Gotta agree
by yellowsnow on
Apr 17, 2008 11:19 PM EDT
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McNair
So, the real question here is, does McNair belong in the Hall of Fame? Let's check the scoreboard:
Records broken or held: none.
Historical contribution to the game: none.
Super Bowl wins: none.
Outstanding stats: none.
The idea that McNair is a Hall Of Fame QB, much less a first ballot selection, is laughable. Out of every QB in the NFL today, only Brady and Manning are guaranteed first ballot HoFers. Eli and Big Ben could move up with prolonged success and another SB win each. Rivers, Palmer, and Romo would need outstanding stats and at least one SB win to enter the discussion.
Ultimately, McNair will be remembered as a good QB who played through pain that may have been due to his own poor conditioning. That's about it. Anything else is just hyperbole.
by MonkeyBusiness on
Apr 18, 2008 11:19 AM EDT
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Historical contribution-
by shake n bake on
Apr 18, 2008 12:20 PM EDT
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Yes
by BigBlueShoe on
Apr 18, 2008 1:16 PM EDT
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Running Men
People will look back and go "Tony Dungy was the first African American head coach to win a Super Bowl.". They'll look back and go "Steve McNair was a running QB who was a halfway decent passer." Sorry, but he fails the historical contribution test.
And Vick, Vince Young, Tavaris Jackson, Donovan McNabb, Daunte Culpepper, Jamarcus Russell, and Jason Campbell, all of whom are described as "running QBs", have a combined 0 Super Bowl rings. Same as McNair. So, I'm not sure what McNair really contributed beyond adding "You can't win a Super Bowl with a running QB." to the "Defense wins championships, offense wins games" category. We can add it in as the McNair Corollary, if you'd like.
by MonkeyBusiness on
Apr 18, 2008 3:00 PM EDT
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